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The Debatable Land
The Debatable Land: The Lost World Between Scotland and England | Graham Robb
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The Debatable Land was an independent territory which used to exist between Scotland and England. It is the oldest detectable territorial division in Great Britain. At the height of its notoriety, it was the bloodiest region in the country, and preoccupied the monarchs and parliaments of England, Scotland and France. After most of its population was slaughtered or deported, it became the last part of Great Britain to be conquered and brought under the control of a state. Today, it has vanished from the map and no one knows exactly where and what it was. When Graham Robb moved to a lonely house on the very edge of England, he discovered that the river which almost surrounded his new home had once marked the Debatable Lands southern boundary. Under the powerful spell of curiosity, Robb began a journey on foot, by bicycle and into the past that would uncover lost towns and roads, shed new light on the Dark Age, reveal the truth about this maligned patch of land, and lead to more than one discovery of major historical significance. For the first time and with all of his customary charm, wit and literary grace Graham Robb, prize-winning author of The Discovery of France, has written about his native country. The Debatable Land is an epic and energetic book that takes us from 2016 back to an age when neither England nor Scotland could be imagined to reveal a crucial, missing piece in the puzzle of British history.
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Librarybelle
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I had to buy a copy of this when I heard about it - perhaps my UK entry for #ReadingEurope2020 ?? The title of this refers to centuries of bloodshed in the #borderline region between Scotland and England. Long forgotten in history, this area had seen much turmoil and destruction under the reigns of kings and queens, such as Henry VIII. Robb wants to know more, so he sets out on a quest to learn the regions history. My type of book! #Movember

Cinfhen Definitely sounds like your cuppa 😻 4y
Crazeedi Sounds intriguing!! 4y
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Oblomov26
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This book is somewhere between a pick and so so. The author writes about the debatable land, a stretch of country which has served as a boundary and no man land between England and Scotland, from both a personal as an modern inhabitant and a historical basis. Disjointed in many ways with essay on ancient mapping, Arthurian tales and the border reivers, the families who terrorised the region until the unification of the kingdoms.

Oblomov26 If you are interested in the Reivers, I would recommend “the Steel Bonnets by George MacDonald Fraser” which is a much more comprehensive history of this largely unknown period. 5y
rabbitprincess I had a hard time with this one. It felt like the kind of book I would gobble up, but I kept stalling. The Steel Bonnets is on my to-read list. 5y
Oblomov26 @rabbitprincess I agree which h is why I was tossing up between a pick and so so - it had some interesting history and ideas but it was hard going at times 5y
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Librarybelle
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I almost didn‘t check this out, but I couldn‘t resist...intriguing look at the “labeled” borderland between Scotland and England.

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rabbitprincess
Mehso-so

The subject matter is fascinating, and I like that Robb and his wife didn't drive despite living in a rural area. But the writing didn't click with me for some reason. It was the sort of writing where I wanted it to rattle along, but instead I found myself reading each page twice. Your mileage may vary.

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rabbitprincess
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Great pronunciation guide! How correct is it though? Can any UK Littens confirm?

Melissa_J I don‘t pronounce Gaelic the same way listed here. 6y
rwmg I pronounce Gaelic gaylick, but I know that many pronounce it Gallic. The others that I know look correct to me, while the ones that I don't know wouldn't raise my eyebrows 6y
rabbitprincess @Melissa_J @rwmg I have heard Scottish people pronounce Gaelic with a short "a" (the Gaelic word for it being Gàidhligh), so that one is OK. I think Irish Gaelic might be pronounced as "ay". (edited) 6y
Melissa_J Weird that I pronounce it more of the Irish way! My Scottish grandmothers wouldn‘t be impressed 🤣 6y
rabbitprincess @Melissa_J It's probably the more common pronunication over here because it seems to fit better with the spelling of Gaelic in English 😉 6y
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