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Views from the Real World: Early Talks of Gurdjieff | G.I. Gurdjieff
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First published in 1973, this book has established itself as an authentic source for those interested in Gurdjieff's ideas and his approach to practical Work on oneself'. This new edition in hardback now includes an index.'
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Q. Can women work [at self-knowledge] as well as men?

The old "men are more intellectual, women more emotional" myth ?. At least Gurdjieff holds both aspects as important to an individual, that self-knowledge includes a balance between & fusion of the two, & that therefore, yes, women are equally able to "do the work".
This is from 1924, so bearing in mind the attitude implied by the questioner, G is relatively progressive, I guess ??‍♂️

TrishB Sighs. 9mo
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“It means nothing if I say yes or no. If I say yes, you cannot verify it, if I say no, you are none the wiser. You have no business to believe me. I ask you to believe nothing that you cannot verify for yourself.”

DivineDiana Sound advice! 🤔 9mo
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“Every man comes into the world like a clean sheet of paper, and then the people and circumstances around him begin vying with each other to dirty this sheet and cover it with writing... Gradually the sheet is dirtied, and the dirtier with so-called “knowledge“ the sheet becomes, the cleverer the man is considered to be... And the dirty sheet itself, seeing that people consider its “dirt“ as merit, considers it valuable.”

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I'm finally reading this book, purchased in 1984, for #TitlesAndTunes #TheWorldIsMyOyster
I've long been unable to decide whether Gurdjieff is a person of great wisdom or a cultish charlatan, though I suppose the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive (or are they? 🤔).
Given his belief that most people lead lives of mechanistic “waking sleep“, that conventional wisdom and religious thought is illusory and superficial, and that true ⬇️

Bookwomble ... enlightenment is only possible through studying under a great teacher, of which, of course, he considered himself one, perhaps there is an indication about his character in this, but then perhaps the distinction between guru and grifter is both ocean-wide and tissue-thin, and I'm no closer to being able to distinguish between them. I suppose I should just read the damn book! 9mo
IndoorDame Definitely let us know which camp you fall into after reading it! 9mo
Suet624 Great post. I‘ve wondered the same thing. 9mo
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Cuilin Interested to know your thoughts after reading it. 9mo
Bookwomble @IndoorDame @Suet624 @Cuilin Well, in chapter 2, Gurdjieff directly addresses the issues of occult charlatanism, pseudoscience, uncritical thinking, conspiracy theories and the traps of circular logic and self-referential ideologies, which is all in his favour, though he could just be cleverly obfuscating his own tracks to throw me off his trail! Seriously, though, it is an auspicious start. Let's see what the next 200 pages brings 😊 9mo
DivineDiana I was amazed to see you were reading Gurdjieff! My husband is a fan and I know when he was much younger attended a Gurdjieff followers retreat! 9mo
Bookwomble @DivineDiana I've never met anybody in "real life" who's even heard of him, so it's nice to find it's not just me and Kate Bush ? I read a couple of Gurdjieff primers and Meetings with Remarkable Men in the early '80s, then tried Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson in about '86, and was so confounded I put him aside. 9mo
Bookwomble @DivineDiana Annoyingly, the posted book would have suited me better, but I think I'm actually getting more from it now. If your hubby has any reading recommendations, I'd be interested 😊 9mo
DivineDiana Recommendations from my husband. Very strong recommendation for P.D. Ouspensky. Gurdjieff‘s #1 successor and translator for the modern world. 9mo
DivineDiana Two great books: In Search of the Miraculous and The Fourth Way were life changing for him. 9mo
Bookwomble @DivineDiana Ah, I haven't read (nor got) those two. I did read the tagged by Ouspensky back in the '90s, which has some "interesting" ideas, and which I think was written after his break with Gurdjieff, and I have the Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution on long-standing TBR. Thanks for the book tips ? 9mo
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#TitlesAndTunes #TheWorldIsMyOyster
When Arkana started reissuing Gurdjieff's books in the early '80s, I knew his name thanks to Kate Bush's ?Them Heavy People? from her debut album, so on the off chance that I might one day sit next to Kate at a bus stop and need a topic of conversation, I read a few of his books, and of his pupil Ouspensky. Fascinating, but "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson" was too oblique for me, and Kate never did get ⬇️

Bookwomble ... the No. 2 into town, so I didn't read this volume of Gurdjieff's early lectures, and it's sat on my shelf since 1984. Although I grew out of my esoteric philosophy phase, I do think I'm coming round the other side of the bus shelter to see some of those ideas from a different perspective, so perhaps I'll finally read it, and who knows what strange phenomena might happen!
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Ruthiella That‘s some close listening! I read Wuthering Heights because of Kate, but that‘s it. 😂 9mo
Cinfhen That‘s some serious dedication!! Can‘t wait to hear what you discover 😁 9mo
BarbaraBB How cool! I didn‘t know that about the song. One I love to hear again though! 9mo
batsy I love this! 9mo
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