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Woodworking
Woodworking | Emily St James
"Big-hearted and hilarious, an ode to authenticity and a must-read in our current times." --Shelby Van Pelt, New York Times bestselling author of Remarkably Bright Creatures One of Book Riot's and The Mary Sue's 15 Most Anticipated Queer Books of 2025 - One of The Millions', Kirkus's, The AV Club's, Them's, and LGBTQ Reads's Most Anticipated Books of 2025 - One of Vol. 1 Brooklyn's, Autostraddle's, LA Times's, and BookBrowse's Most Anticipated Reads of March 2025 - One of Bustle's Best Books of Spring 2025 - Matty Maggiacomo's March Book Club Pick An unforgettable and heartwarming book-club debut following a trans high school teacher from a small town in South Dakota who befriends the only other trans woman she knows: one of her students. Erica Skyberg is thirty-five years old, recently divorced--and trans. Not that she's told anyone yet. Mitchell, South Dakota, isn't exactly bursting with other trans women. Instead, she keeps to herself, teaching by day and directing community theater by night. That is, until Abigail Hawkes enters her orbit. Abigail is seventeen, Mitchell High's resident political dissident and Only Trans Girl. It's a role she plays faultlessly, albeit a little reluctantly. She's also annoyed by the idea of spending her senior year secretly guiding her English teacher through her transition. But Abigail remembers the uncertainty--and loneliness--that comes with it. Besides, Erica isn't the only one struggling to shed the weight of others' expectations. As their unlikely friendship evolves, it comes under the scrutiny of their community. And soon, both women--and those closest to them--are forced to ask: Who are we if we choose to hide ourselves? What happens once we disappear into the woodwork? Detransition Baby meets Fleishman is in Trouble in this remarkable debut novel from an incisive contemporary voice. A story about the awkwardness of growing up and the greatest love story of all, that between us and our friends, Woodworking is a tonic for the moment and a celebration of womanhood in all its multifaceted joy.
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Larkken
Woodworking | Emily St James
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#12Booksof2025 August / Book 8 : highlighting these two books from #camplitsy25 that I loved and wouldn't have had on my radar without the buddy read!

TheEllieMo This was clearly a very popular one from #CampLitsy25! 4d
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willaful
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This has made all my lists, and a lot of other people's too, I see. Well deserved.

@TheEllieMo #12Booksof2025

TheEllieMo Such a popular choice! 6d
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jenniferw88
Woodworking | Emily St James
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TheEllieMo This is a very popular choice this year 6d
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Deblovestoread
Woodworking | Emily St James
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#12Booksof2025

Favorite in July by far and a favorite of the entire year.

@TheEllieMo

TheEllieMo This has been a very popular choice this year 6d
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DebinHawaii
Woodworking | Emily St James
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#12BooksOf2025

Another semi-difficult choice for July as I also read & loved Death of the Author & I Who Have Not Known Men, but this #CampLitsy2025 pick really had my heart. ❤️❤️❤️

TheEllieMo This has been a very popular choice this year 6d
DebinHawaii @TheEllieMo It‘s such a good book! 6d
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Matilda
Woodworking | Emily St James
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I always feel guilty about all the books I didn‘t get to but I gotta call it sometime: https://multitudes-contained.beehiiv.com/p/on-reading-in-2025-my-favorite-books

HeatherBookNerd Woodworking was one of my favorites too 3w
Matilda @HeatherBookNerd I‘m so glad I squeezed it in at the end of the year — the audiobook also had great narrators! 3w
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Singout
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Thank you to @jenniferw88 for this inspiring list of books and to @monalyisha as always for dedicated and creative matching! 11 here are on our audiobook list in Toronto, which is great. I‘ve included everything for the benefit of others! Sorry, my graphics are as fancy as a lot of others are.

I‘ll write a list of 20 things to know about me tomorrow!
#Auldlangspine2026

jenniferw88 Glad you like the list. If I'd finished it in time, I'd have added Conclave by Robert Harris on my form but it was too late by the time I'd read it! 1mo
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LiteraryinPA
Woodworking | Emily St James
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I really enjoyed this trans coming of age story about a middle aged high school teacher in a conservative midwestern town. As she is discovering more about her identity she interacts with the only trans student, a surly girl who doesn‘t want to be the queer Sherpa for her teacher. The dialogue was so believable and I liked the scenes with theater, local politics and navigating friendships. A surprising find for me this year!

Lesliereadsalot Wasn‘t Brooke‘s story magnificent? 5mo
LiteraryinPA @Lesliereadsalot Yessssss. I was so surprised in a good way. 5mo
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peanutnine
Woodworking | Emily St James
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July #ReadingBracket2025 Fiction update
The #CampLitsy25 selections for July hit it out of the park. Both Woodworking and Death of the Author were five star reads for me. Woodworking made just a little more of an impression on me, so it's my July pick, but DotA will most likely grab the bonus spot for the quarter

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TheBookDream
Woodworking | Emily St James
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I don‘t know how I felt about the first half of the book, but the second half was incredible. #camplitsy25 #summerreading #summerjob #parks

AmyG Exactly. 5mo
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Deblovestoread
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Still not reading as much as I usually do but loved everything I read this month. Not pictured are Under the Painted Sky and Death of the Author.

I‘ve thrown the towel in on almost all challenges and am letting my mood take me where it will. Luckily the #CampLitsy books are working for me.

TheBookHippie I adored reading Mandy. 5mo
willaful We have two of the same favs for the month. :-) 5mo
Read4life That‘s why I created this one. No biggie if I have 0,1 or multiple faves each week. It‘s no pressure, no set read and just for some fun. Thanks for playing along!! 5mo
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britt_brooke
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⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️.5

Imagine having to hide yourself for fear of your life. Think about that, truly. I don‘t know what that feels like. Reading builds empathy. You don‘t have to understand gender identity in order to be respectful and kind to others. People who aren‘t exactly like you don‘t have to be a threat. They are just living, too. This is a very thoughtful, and thought-provoking read.

squirrelbrain Fabulous sentiments! 🩷💜💙 5mo
Bette Great review 👍😊 5mo
TrishB Lovely summary. That‘s why fiction like this really works. 5mo
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britt_brooke @squirrelbrain Thank you 🥰 5mo
britt_brooke @Bette Thank you 🩷🩷 5mo
britt_brooke @TrishB Thank you - yes exactly!! 🩷 5mo
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TheBookDream
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Starting this book (late) for #camplitsy25 #queer #summerreads #summerjob

squirrelbrain It‘s fabulous! 5mo
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jenniferw88
Woodworking | Emily St James
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#readingbracket2025 #July @Catsandbooks

I would not be 100% surprised if the two semi-finalists were The Devil and the Dark Water and Woodworking.

Catsandbooks Awesome! 👏🏼 🎉 5mo
Bette Still love Devil and the Dark Water and it‘s been a few years… 👍 5mo
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Soubhiville
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I finally finished this (it‘s been a busy month for me!) and I loved it. Leave it to #camplitsy to bring some great books into my hands!

I‘ll be going back over the questions tonight to see what everyone had to say. This shows that trans lives can look so many different ways, different for every person living it. 🏳️‍⚧️🩵🩷🤍

Soubhiville @BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain @Megabooks thanks for hosting, and thanks to whomever posted about the kindle sale, that‘s how I managed to have a copy in time to read it this month! 5mo
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CBee @Soubhiville oh yay! That was me 👏🏻 It‘s how I got my copy too! 5mo
TheBookHippie I am stillllllllll waiting on my hold 🫣 5mo
AmyG Loved this book, too. So much. 5mo
squirrelbrain Glad you loved it! 5mo
Soubhiville Thank you @CBee for keeping an eye out for the kindle sales! ❤️📚 5mo
CBee @TheBookHippie I really think you‘ll like it! So good. 5mo
CBee @Soubhiville I had an eagle eye hoping this one would pop up and lo and behold - we got lucky 👏🏻👏🏻 5mo
TheBookHippie @CBee I have heard both love and loathe from people I trust so 🤷🏻‍♀️ I‘m anxiously awaiting to read it! 5mo
CBee @TheBookHippie 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 5mo
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Megabooks
Woodworking | Emily St James
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This was the tightest vote in a while - certainly tighter than my month last year (James/All Fours 😂) - but Woodworking won 25-18. In the end, I'm really pleased we had a month with great discussions about two books a lot of us enjoyed! Thank you all so much for participating and making this a fun month to lead! #CampLitsy25 @barbarabb @squirrelbrain

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mcctrish Both were winners imo ( last year not so much 😆😆) 5mo
Ruthiella For me Woodworking was the clear favorite but it is awesome to see the enthusiasm for both! The reader is the real winner! 😅 5mo
Suet624 Thank you!! 5mo
Deblovestoread Yay for Woodworking but I enjoyed Death of the Author too. 5mo
Bookwormjillk Great reading month. Thank you! 5mo
BkClubCare I thought it would be even closer! 👏 5mo
Lesliereadsalot Thanks for hosting! You‘re a rock star.🌟 5mo
BarbaraBB Thank you Meg for a fantastic month and a great outcome! 5mo
squirrelbrain Hooray - a great winner! 🏆 5mo
TrishB Both worthy winners and great reads 👍🏻 5mo
fredthemoose I‘ve been mostly reading and following the discussions and haven‘t been commenting as actively (mostly because so many people have already made the points I would have better than I was going to), but wanted to say thank you @Megabooks @squirrelbrain and @BarbaraBB for another great event herring me to broaden my reading horizons! 5mo
GatheringBooks Awesome! Thank you soo very much for hosting. 🥰 5mo
BarbaraBB @fredthemoose We‘re happy you‘re there and enjoying the discussion 💕 5mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome! @fredthemoose 5mo
TheBookDream How do I join Camp Litsy for August? 5mo
Megabooks @TheBookDream hey @BarbaraBB can you add this new camper to our tag list? Thanks! I hope you enjoy Camp! 5mo
britt_brooke Loved this one! 5mo
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Read4life
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I‘ve been really looking forward to this one and it definitely didn‘t disappoint. Great selection for #CampLitsy25

squirrelbrain 💙💜🩷 5mo
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BarbaraJean
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I loved this so, so much, and am pretty sure it‘s going to end up on my top-ten (or however many titles I allow myself to count as “top”) for the year. Erica, a trans teacher in small-town South Dakota—who‘s not yet out—befriends the only other trans person she knows: one of her students. Told from multiple perspectives, this gave such a rich, complex portrait of trans experience. The characterization and nuance here were phenomenal— ⤵️

BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) …complicated characters who were anything but one-sided. These characters were so human, so real and surprising—showing a wide spectrum of love, compassion, care, support, and allyship—as well as failures of all of the above. I loved the way Erica and Abigail each learn to piece together the support they need in very different (and sometimes surprising) ways, through (sometimes very messy) forms of found family. ⤵️ 5mo
BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) …And I was especially impressed with the way St. James handles perspective, voice, and naming throughout the book. Just SO well written. Another fantastic #CampLitsy25 pick! 5mo
BarbaraBB Fab review! We‘ve chosen well this year at #CampLitsy25! 5mo
squirrelbrain Wonderful review! 🩷 5mo
AmyG It will make my top 10 too. And yes @BarbaraBB We DID choose well this year! 5mo
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DGRachel
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Once again, I would never have picked this up without #CampLitsy. The “friendship” between Erica and Abigail was deeply disturbing to me, and I came so close to bailing. It still gives me the ick. However, watching all of the characters evolve on their respective journeys was incredible. St. James writes beautifully, with depth and compassion. This feels like a big, important book that everyone should read. ⬇️

DGRachel The world needs more kindness, compassion, acceptance, empathy, authenticity, and love. 5mo
TrishB Great review 👍🏻 5mo
squirrelbrain Great review! ❤️ 5mo
Suet624 100% agree on what the world needs. 5mo
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Roary47
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3✨ It helps provide perspective to different walks in a trans persons life. As a cis person I don‘t know what this feels like, or the struggle. I like the strength that Abigail had in this book to be herself. I also like the support she found. While I struggle with the teacher/student dynamic in this book. I also know that it was more about how there are people who want to understand, and time and effort are how we can get there. #CampLitsy25

Megabooks I understand why a lot of the campers who are teachers struggled with this more than the rest of us. You have such a strong ethical code of conduct with students that I sure it was hard to see it breached even if the author's intent was well meaning. Thank you for joining us! (edited) 5mo
AmyG Yeah, I get the teacher/student uncomfortable-ness of it. I felt that as first. 5mo
Butterfinger @AmyG @Megabooks Teachers see the grooming first-hand. Or rather the effects of grooming, especially the children who don't have support at home. And, I know @Roary47 has mentioned that it was more about placing a huge responsibility on a child's shoulders. 5mo
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BarbaraBB It is a big responsibility for Abigail indeed. And that might have turned out wrong but she‘s such a kick-ass kind of girl, she can handle it. I think St James handled the subject with care but I get why you and others felt uncomfortable 5mo
Roary47 @Butterfinger Agreed. I recognize that Abigail was already out before Erica, but the direct communication, driving her home, being alone with her. That was all shooting Erica in the foot and just not something a teacher should do. I worry about the parental rights law that I mentioned for my coworker. He recently came out and started hormone replacements late last school year. As a teacher himself he could still face discrimination. ⬇️ 5mo
Roary47 Yet, in my state we protect students from bathroom discrimination and provide alternates for them. Parents have a right to complain and press charges on a teacher like him for “convincing students” even if he‘s just living his true self. Same with religion, or anything else that makes the teacher who they are that the parents don‘t like. 😔 I also mentioned unsupportive parents where teachers are forced to call the students the wrong name. 😭 (edited) 5mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I understand why you felt uncomfortable but I‘m glad you found the book valuable in other ways. 5mo
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****THIS DISCUSSION WILL CONTAIN MAJOR SPOILERS**** Please be mindful of this if you choose to read it.

Brooke was certainly one of the most surprising and confounding characters in this book! I'm dying to know what y'all think! #CampLitsy25

@barbarabb @squirrelbrain

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AmyG I was very surprised by Brooke‘s backroung. Didn‘t see THAT coming. I think it took alot for her to reveal herself. She was hiding for so long. To tell her children had to have been beyond hard. It absolutely affected Abigal and Caleb. I believe she felt that she could finally do some good…in her acceptance of Abigail and Caleb. All of the trans characters had their own unique struggles. (edited) 5mo
Chelsea.Poole Same, @AmyG —I did a double take! Looking back, there were a few subtle hints but certainly didn‘t see it coming. I love when an author is able to get me like that! I really felt for Brooke, seems like she‘s had a full circle moment. She didn‘t handle things well but often humans do get it wrong. Showed authenticity. She must have been scared…Abigail and Caleb‘s relationship had the power to completely upend her carefully crafted life. 5mo
Hooked_on_books I wasn‘t surprised because I had noticed some hints. I was glad that she embraced Abigail despite her own desire to pass; I know some people in that position would be even harder on someone who is out as an attempt to protect themselves. I‘m so glad she told her kids and could at least live openly with her family. 5mo
BarbaraBB Like @AmyG and @Chelsea.Poole it took me by surprise. It made so much sense though - in hindsight. Brooke seeming uncomfortable with Caleb dating Abigail, turned out not to be because she disapproves of trans people — rather, because she sees herself in Abigail. That familiarity may feel threatening. Abigail is out, unapologetic, and visible — everything Brooke isn‘t. Her initial awkwardness isn‘t rejection, but internal conflict. I loved that (edited) 5mo
willaful I had guessed it, from her history and reactions to Abigail. It reminded me of a biography I read of a trans woman who had no interest in any kind of activism and was disdainful of trans people who didn't pass. Brooke is a much more sympathetic portrait. She's done a lot of harm through her silence and conformity, but she's also greatly harmed herself. 5mo
Ruthiella I was surprised but I really liked the layer of experience her trajectory provided as well as her (mis)handling of Caleb and Alison. I would also say, in her defense, that when she transitioned, it was a different ere and more common for trans folk to not disclose. Whereas Alison‘s generation‘s approach is much more open. 5mo
Bookwormjillk I was both surprised and not surprised at the same time. You could tell Brooke wasn‘t the conservative housewife she appeared to be. Of all the characters I worry the most about her. It seemed like she was trying to shove her past back into a box, but I don‘t think that will be sustainable for her. 5mo
CarolynM I was surprised, and at first the unlikelihood of it rankled a bit but I got over it because it brought in a different aspect of the trans experience which enriched the message of the story. 5mo
Susanita @Bookwormjillk I worry about Brooke too. She made a decision to hide her true self and then had to live with it for so many years. It‘s not all magically okay because she‘s finally sharing her story. But I think it wasn‘t sustainable anymore to keep it hidden either. 5mo
Lesliereadsalot I was totally shocked by Brooke‘s story, did not have a clue. And it read so honestly and was so interesting, that it just really upended this book, for me. From that point on, I loved this book. When she saw how much Caleb loved Abigail, I felt like she could finally see how deserving of love a trans person could be. She needed to see that, not only for herself, but for Caleb and Abigail too. 5mo
BarbaraBB @willaful I remember that book vividly! So good too. 5mo
BarbaraBB @CarolynM I felt the same, the unlikelihood annoyed me a bit, but I got over it soon because of what it added to the story. 5mo
Meshell1313 I was also shocked by this reveal! But I loved how the book showed a variety of experiences and perspectives- those that feel like they have to keep the secret and those who are more open. Both are realities. It really puts everything into perspective. 5mo
TrishB I think it added good depth. And who knows how common it is 🤷‍♀️ I didn‘t guess this ahead of the reveal. 5mo
Karisa I was surprised by Brooke. It seemed like Brooke and Victor were just being way too accepting of Abigail, so when that was revealed it all made more sense. Brooke‘s “woodworking” reminded me of one of the people in the hbo documentary Enigma. She was able to build a whole life without others knowing her past and worked as a teacher for many years 5mo
mcctrish At first I was a bit like @CarolynM that the author was adding another trans person to the plot but then I thought Brooke was the more realistic version of trans in small town America, living with half of themselves buried to pass, the mirror version of Erica, slowly dying because of the weight of what has to stay covered. What a gift Abigail is to them 5mo
CBee Slightly surprised but it ended up making so much sense for the story. I think “woodworking” is very common (sadly) and there need to be more stories about that. This book taught me so much. 5mo
squirrelbrain Like @CarolynM @mcctrish I rolled my eyes at first as I thought it was very ‘unlikely‘ but, like @TrishB said, who knows how common it is. Like both of you though, I grew to understand why the author had included Brooke‘s experience as it added another layer to an already multi-layered story. (edited) 5mo
squirrelbrain I agree @CBee - I learnt so much from this book. 5mo
squirrelbrain @Karisa - I was worried by Brooke‘s acceptance of Abigail, I felt there was something sinister going on and I‘m glad it turned out not to be so. 5mo
Megabooks @Karisa I love HBO documentaries, so I'll have to look that up!

I liked how St. James revealed a backstory for Brooke that made her woodworking make sense. I really felt Brooke's fear of her birth family, of not being able to fit in, of losing her kids, and her need to depend on Victor for her life and lifestyle. Still, I can't help but think she's a sellout who actively harms others, and that's not really excusable.
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Megabooks I like that St. James gave her a tinge of regret for Brooke not paying for the surgery on her own and being independent and not beholden to Victor and his beliefs. I think Brooke lets fear rule her life, and that is probably a very unhappy position to live in constantly! 5mo
CBee @Megabooks I‘d almost like to see a continuation where Brooke goes even further and comes out to everyone. It was a good start when she distanced herself from Isaiah and called him out on his shitty politics. 5mo
vonnie862 I was surprised at Brooke's revelation. I did not see that coming. It made sense why Caleb's parents easily accepted Abigail. 5mo
Jas16 Like others, I was surprised and initially annoyed by the revelation but grew to appreciate the added depth her story added. I never warmed up to her as a character though and couldn‘t let go of my initial distrust. 5mo
Deblovestoread Like others I was put off at first and thought it unlikely. And like @squirrelbrain I thought she was going to be the biggest back stabber. I was glad to be wrong about it all and loved it. 5mo
Roary47 I was with @CarolynM in being surprised, and how unlikely it was. However, I liked seeing how life can be for someone who finds their true selves and doesn‘t get the support like Abbigail does. I had a student that provided me their true name, and the grandma refused us to use it. By law and parental rights we were forced to call them by their improper name (while I did this in formal communication, I didn‘t to the student verbally 🤫). 🤐 5mo
Roary47 ⬆️While Abbigail didn‘t get the support from her family. She had a lot of other support and was brave. Like many of you I like how the author showed depth. It made the “woodworking” make sense for me too. 5mo
JamieArc @squirrelbrain I was worried there was something sinister going on too, like it was all going to culminate in some really public horrifying shaming of Abigail. 5mo
JamieArc Like many others here, I was completely surprised, and then annoyed - like “that‘s a convenient plot twist.” But also like others, I really liked that we got another trans perspective to go from totally out (Abigail) to transitioning (forgetting the teacher‘s name!) to totally woodworking (Brooke). It added another level of complexity but heart as well ❤️ 5mo
Butterfinger @Roary47 NC has the same crazy law. Good point @Ruthiella I was surprised. I did think of Brooke and her husband as far right extremists. I wasn't mad reading the books, but analyzing Brooke and reading comments, if Brooke had not been woodworking, Abigail would felt more comfortable at their house. I still think Brooke was wrong in keeping the essay a secret. She knew the power of names. I understood completely why this upset B. 5mo
Butterfinger Her story was used to get ahead. If he hadn't wanted her to read it, he shouldn't have bragged about it. The family did not respect her enough to ask for permission. 5mo
fredthemoose Like others, I was initially annoyed by the Brook reveal because it seemed unrealistically convenient. Hearing the author say that she was based on someone from a real trans support group smoothed that out a little for me. 5mo
Christine Yay, so happy for this question! I‘m with the throng of folks at first surprised by Brooke‘s identity and finding it convenient but then quickly growing to love it! And yes, mostly took away from it that this is likely MUCH more common than many of us realize. @TrishB @CBee @squirrelbrain 5mo
Megabooks @Butterfinger I'm glad you brought this up because I almost asked a question about the essay. It was totally right of Abigail to feel betrayed by Caleb but especially by Brooke. Sometimes she helped A but when it came down to her kid getting ahead or Abigail's feelings and needs as another trans person, she gladly encouraged Caleb to throw Abigail under the bus. Disappointing! 5mo
Karisa @squirrelbrain Me too! Especially with her involvement in the mean guy‘s campaign! I thought it was going to be a gotcha. So glad it was not! 5mo
Karisa @Megabooks It‘s so good! The women highlighted all started out as performers/modeis in France/UK (they are gorgeous). Then life took them in different ways. Absolutely compelling! (edited) 5mo
jenniferw88 @JamieArc I loved the different perspectives (and the portrayal of different relationships within the community), as well! As an aspiring writer who wants to make LGBTQ a major theme, they really helped me understand trans people more, and as I need to have at least one trans character in the book, I'll definitely be re-reading this one! 5mo
jenniferw88 @Megabooks, but something had to go wrong at some point for Abigail. Otherwise, where is the drama? I'm just glad that it was betrayal of trust by Caleb & not anything to do with her parents - that would have been much worse, imo. Yes, it's bad, but hopefully Abigail can get over it, whereas if the issue had been with the parents, I fear Abigail would be scarred forever - she's craving support from her real parents (indicated by the 📞 calls). 5mo
jenniferw88 ⬆️ and yes, I know there's the attempted abduction of Abigail, but nothing really comes out from that scene - we don't get to see the consequences to the parents. 5mo
jenniferw88 Does anyone else want to see this turned into a movie/tv show?! 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I think ultimately the title was about Brooke. No one woodworked the way she did. It had me thinking a lot about Gays for Trump and all of those other minority groups that will cling to a political ideology in hopes that either no one will find out they are the target of the bills, or that being friends with the people making the laws will mean they will slide through okay - as she points out later on “pulling the ladder up after herself“. 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I was a bit surprised but looking back, like @Chelsea.Poole I think there were enough hints if I had been paying closer attention. I think she is a terrible person, I think that she betrayed Abigail the most (I am forgetting what she did to Erica?) I thought it was a clever way to get a large spectrum of trans people in the book, people who as A says will never pass to those so passing they go politically against the best interest of the community 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Hooked_on_books I think I was mostly surprised she came out to her kids. Especially that little girl who seems primed to be bigoted. But I think it probably was such a load off of herself, even if she has convinced herself she passes so well she doesn't need to think about others. 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Ruthiella I was thinking a lot about how the older generation was compared to Abigail, and how Brooke passing the way she did, wanting to stay woodworking no matter how that caused her to fit into the community and cause harm, and also Erica, and how scary it is in South Dakota to think about coming out. Abigail doesn't have the lived history of the older women, and how awful people can be. It was much harder for them. 5mo
Zuhkeeyah I did not see Brooke‘s background coming. It made sense though why she was kind to Abigail but rude when Erica wore nail polish. I think she betrayed them both by woodworking so completely that she was unable to speak up. 5mo
CBee @ChaoticMissAdventures or the Jews who voted for Hitler and then fought for Germany in WWII. They did it in the hopes they‘d be spared. (Sorry, I know that‘s heavy) 5mo
JamieArc @jenniferw88 I would be so interested in seeing this as a show! 5mo
GatheringBooks @JamieArc yes to everything you said - in terms of the continuum of woodworking among trans individuals. That being said, the plot twist made the story too fantastical for me - but the fact that it isn‘t all that credible did not diminish the entertainment value. After all, there are times when truth can be stranger than fiction. 5mo
Suet624 @CarolynM I was reading these comments this morning wondering if anyone had the same reaction as I did. You‘re the first to say it. The unlikelihood rankled a bit (you‘re kidding me!). But I got over it. 5mo
Kitta I was thinking based on the title that there wasn‘t actually a lot of woodworking happening in the novel and was pleasantly surprised to have Brooke as an example of it. I thought the novel would be much more focused on someone like Brooke tbh! Im so glad her conservative nature was just a shield, I was so worried she would be backstabbing and awful and it was nice to have more depth to her. 5mo
Maggie4483 I think Brooke‘s storyline bridged the gap between Abigail and Erica. I loved the way that the chapters told from Abigail‘s POV were in 1st person, b/c she was the one who was the most authentically herself. Erica, who is not living as her true self, is spoken about in 3rd person (until she comes out to her boss and her POV switches…chills!). And Brooke‘s chapters are in 2nd person, b/c she‘s in her true body, but not openly. It was brilliant!!! 5mo
Megabooks @Maggie4483 I initially had in my pool of questions to refine with Helen and Barbara a question about her use of voices in the book. I thought it was brilliantly done!! 5mo
TheBookDream @Maggie4483 well put. I found the switching between perspectives confusing for a while, but it really was brilliantly done. Also, I adored the revelation for Brooke. I didn‘t catch it AT ALL and I think it added so much to the story. 5mo
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Last week we talked about Abigail as Erica's “trans mom,“ which rightfully made a lot of readers uncomfortable with the teacher/student and adult/teen dynamics already present. Abigail is a kid, and she definitely needed a mom herself. Two women stepped up to fill that void in this book. What do you think of Jennifer and Brooke and mother-figure to Abigail? #CampLitsy25

@barbarabb @squirrelbrain

AmyG I think both women were there when Abigail needed someone to trust and stand up for her in a way her own mother didn‘t. In that respect she was lucky to have them. I have great respect for her sister who did her best to support Abigail. I can only believe that so many have no one to trust, lean on…no one to support them. 😢 5mo
Hooked_on_books I think they are both important, one as a blood family member who accepts Abigail fully and the other who deeply understands Abigail‘s situation. She is fairly isolated but also very fortunate to have these women in her life as mother figures. 5mo
Chelsea.Poole Her sister was fiercely protective of Abigail though I‘m not sure she was in the best position to mother her, as she was pretty young herself. Plus, the sibling relationship suffers when one steps into the parental role. And Abigail certainly didn‘t appreciate the fact that Jennifer failed to discuss adoption with her, and brought it up at family dinner. Not sure who is the best fit, but more support is always a good thing. 5mo
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BarbaraBB I agree on what‘s said so far. Jennifer teaches Abigail how to survive, Brooke helps her figure out how to live. Abigail isn‘t asked to choose between them — instead, she pieces together her own sense of family from both of them. 5mo
willaful @BarbaraBB Yes, well put. Abigail's need for her mother was one of the most painful parts of the book to me. She so desperately needs someone to care for her and just about everyone fails her, but I think in the end she learns to be more forgiving of people's mistakes when they're with her when the chips are down. 5mo
Ruthiella I agree that neither woman quite fits but both do offer some modicum of parental figure. I agree with @willaful that Allison really missed her mother and that love and care a parent can provide. Let‘s hope that eventually she is able to reconnect with her mom. Sometimes it just takes time. And it was clear that Alison‘s mother also missed her, but was struggling. (edited) 5mo
Bookwormjillk @BarbaraBB well put. And @willaful good point about Abigail‘s birth mom. Overall I was glad that she did have some sort of mother figures in her life looking out for her and that she could depend on. I liked that they were both flawed but truly were trying to do their best despite the impact “momming” Abigail had on their own lives. 5mo
BarbaraBB @willaful You‘re right, her phonecalls to her birth mom were so painful and sad 😢 (edited) 5mo
CarolynM Yes, @willaful it was painful to see how much Abigail wanted her mother‘s acceptance & how determined her mother was to insist that her own wants were more important. I feel raging fury at parents who try to direct their children‘s lives all the way into adulthood (& sometimes beyond) 🤬 (edited) 5mo
Lesliereadsalot Jennifer loves Abigail the most and has come the farthest alongside her. Of course her birth mom would be ideal, but between her moms views and husband, and Brooke‘s past, and Erica‘s transition, none of them are whole enough to give her what she needs, that unconditional love we all seek. But maybe they can all be parts of a whole, a group hug. 5mo
BarbaraBB @Lesliereadsalot I agree, Jennifer‘s love is so unconditional, that‘s worth a lot I think. 5mo
TrishB @CarolynM same! You don‘t get your dictate your children‘s lives and choices. 5mo
mcctrish I think Abigail had a lot of guilt over Jennifer having to change her life to help Abigail. Abigail worried Jennifer had ‘settled‘ with Ron so she‘d have the financial means. Although I thought Ron was pretty chill and absolutely what Jennifer wanted and chose - there were things alluded to that happened between Jennifer and her parents - I Hope Abigail can take comfort in the fact that her parents were shitty to all not just her. 5mo
Megabooks @willaful It was painful how deeply she needed her birth mother and how deeply her birth mother tried to force her to be someone she is not. @barbarabb - great observation!

I love Jennifer's fierce protectiveness, but I think in her need to placate their parents, she put Abigail in danger. I understand why she felt safer with Brooke in that part of the book.
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CBee Ugh, her mom 😡😥 I think both Jennifer and Brooke provided what she needed in different ways and at different times. The fact that she had so much support was wonderful - I wish it could always be like that for trans kids in real life 😔 5mo
vonnie862 I felt bad for Jennifer on how angry Abigail got with her. She was doing her best to keep Abigail safe. 5mo
Jas16 I loved how fierce Jennifer was in her love for her sister and how far she was willing g to go to keep her safe. She made mistakes but she is still so young and also dealing with the loss of parental relationships. Abigail finds things she needs from both relationships but Brooke also gets things she needs out of their relationship, 5mo
Deblovestoread Her need for her mom was heartbreaking and the mom‘s continued lack of anything nurturing was infuriating. I think when a parent fails us it is almost innate to seek that through other relationships and if we are lucky there are others who care that help fill that void. 5mo
BkClubCare I loved that the humans all felt so real; messy, guilt-ridden, fearful, but also wanting to give love. MOST of the characters, anyway. 5mo
Roary47 I‘m not sure I can add much to the already great thoughts that I was feeling too. I just thought about Lilo and Stitch, where the sister stepped in and it actually hurt their relationship for a while. Abbigail was nearing 18 so all teens are really coming into their own at this time. Many need to find their own way. So while Abbigail didn‘t have her parents support it was great she had the support of others, and the group. Not all have that. 5mo
Butterfinger So many great points. Abigail was able to fit in a created family, but that would never completely fill the birth mom shaped hole. 5mo
Megabooks @vonnie862 I agree that was Jennifer's overall disposition, but it angered me that she pushed so hard for Abigail to have this dinner with their parents. It put Abigail in real danger and springing the custody suit without telling Abigail didn't seem to help the situation. 5mo
willaful @mcctrish Yes, I agree. I think Jennifer was happy with Ron and Abigail was taking too much responsibility on herself. 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @BarbaraBB this is so beautifully put, Jennifer teaching her how to survive and Brooke how to live, Thought I worry that Brooke will fall right back into that far right politics that hurt others, I think that Abigail was helping Brooke as much as Brooke was helping Abigail. But it was so good for A to see what type of life is possible for her. 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @mcctrish I agree, I think A felt guilty about what she was putting Jennifer through, even if everything J did showed she was doing it willingly. Ron seems super cool, and seeing things through A's eyes it is hard to know if J settled, but she seems happy to have. I think the big mistake was not talking to A about everything before springing it on her in front of the parents. A had to fight so much for agency over her life, she needed a heads up. 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I think the only reason A went to Brooke is b/c she felt she was losing agency of her life when J said she was going to adopt her. She needed someone outside of the family, and Brooke had been kind to her, and if I remember right she was the only phone number A had memorized? Desperation throwing them together. 5mo
Zuhkeeyah I agree with all the above comments. Jennifer and Brooke spoke to different parts of Abigail‘s mothering needs. Jennifer is the unconditional, permanent safe harbor who is trying her best to protect Abigail the best way she knows how though a few methods were a little stifling. Brooke is a representation of what she wished her mom could be like. Fully accepting without needing to have all the nuances explained. 5mo
GatheringBooks Great thoughts here. Loved Jennifer‘s role - deapite A being quite a challenging teen to work with on occasion. I don‘t know about you guys but I need a mom like Brooke who hands out a fat check like it‘s nothing. You go, A. 5mo
Kitta @willaful I noticed once Brooke is more in her life she stops calling her mother so much. It‘s like more of her needs were fulfilled than with her sister alone. The phone calls were hard though. It was definitely painful to read. 5mo
Maggie4483 I just loved all the adults rallying around Abigail and giving her the love her parents wouldn‘t. I think that falls into the “it takes a village” idea. Jennifer is a badass, and Brooke is so much more complex than I ever would have imagined. And I know that Erica‘s relationship with Abigail gave a lot of people the ick, but I truly believe A got just as much out of it as E. Could it have been handled differently, yes. But it was worth the risk. 5mo
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This book had such fantastic characters, and I'm glad so many of you enjoyed it, too! Tomorrow, I'll make the post to vote for your favorite book of July. I have truly enjoyed leading these discussions for the 4th year, and thanks to all of you who make #CampLitsy25 so wonderful and enlightening!

I'll pass the mic to @barbarabb for August, which starts with Tilt by Emma Pattee next weekend. Hope to see you there! @squirrelbrain

AmyG I believe these two accepted Abigail for who she was. They also fought the good fight. Megan was her first girlfriend. They, hopefully, will be friends forever. And kudos for Helen for fighting for what she believed in when she had no chance to win at all. That is not easy. My husband ran in local politics in a county where he didn‘t stand a chance….and lost. What a thankless thing to do and yet we always need to fight for what we believe in. 5mo
Hooked_on_books I think they‘re both great allies. They‘re both open-minded and willing to listen when Abigail or Erica mess up or are perceived as doing something problematic. I thought they rounded out the cast of characters nicely. It‘s always good to see friendships on the page. 5mo
Chelsea.Poole Helen and Megan were great examples of allies. I agree @Hooked_on_books —it was nice to have them there! @AmyG thanks to you and your husband! Local politics can be incredibly tough! 5mo
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BarbaraBB Once again I agree! Megan and Helen serve as great cisgender allies, offering stability, compassion, and consistency. Their allyship isn‘t performative or perfect, and I loved that. It‘s deeply rooted in care and I have high hopes for their future! 5mo
willaful @BarbaraBB Again, I agree. I think Abigail really needed to get to know people whose offered true friendship and allyship, so she could accept frindship and help. 5mo
Ruthiella I particularly loved Megan. How she showed Alison what friendship is and can be. 5mo
Bookwormjillk The characters in this book truly were superb. I particularly loved Megan. I liked that Helen made an assumption about Erica and was able to pivot when she learned what was really going on. I also was glad that she was able to take some of the role of being Erica‘s best friend off Abigail since I still feel like it didn‘t belong there. Just a really great book overall. Anyone could have been the main character and I would have enjoyed the story. 5mo
Bookwormjillk PS waaahhhhh I don‘t want camp to be almost over ***stamps foot*** 5mo
BarbaraBB @Ruthiella Me too, she felt so real! Such a struggling adolescent herself too. 5mo
BarbaraBB @Bookwormjillk Neither do I! We‘ve been reading the best of books and all you clever readers add so much to the experience for me (edited) 5mo
Susanita I liked both of them as friends. They were supportive as much as they could be but also called them out when they were being jerks. I‘m also glad Erica found a friend in Helen so that she could stop relying on Abigail as much when she was clearly going through her own stuff. 5mo
CarolynM They were both really strong secondary characters and added a lot to the story. I can certainly see them as long term friends and life long LGBTQ+ allies. Off topic but I need to mention this - was anyone else appalled when the principal tells Megan “voting is a privilege not a right”? If this is really how voting is perceived in the USA it explains a lot. 5mo
Lesliereadsalot I was so happy to have these characters along for the ride, open and honest and dealing with everything that came their way. Which was a lot! Big thanks to #CampLitsy25 for opening my eyes to such diverse books this summer. 5mo
Meshell1313 @BarbaraBB exactly!!! They, like me the reader, learned a lot! 5mo
mcctrish I love love love how these independent, unique women came together & found friendship and support. It was a bit heartbreaking to see Constance leave but she was pushed and I applaud her for taking the chance after watching Erica, Helen, Megan and Abigail have courage. One true friend can save you and they all found one. Camp is making summer seem like it‘s flying @Bookwormjillk 😱😭 as I inhale my sections and wait, tapping my foot, for Saturday 5mo
squirrelbrain I agree @Hooked_on_books - it‘s always great to read about successful friendships just as much as ‘romantic‘ relationships. 5mo
squirrelbrain @CarolynM. Of course, it served the principal to say that because he was on the ‘right‘ side of politics in his red town so I‘m sure that‘s how many people must perceive the right to vote in the US 5mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I agree @Ruthiella @BarbaraBB - Megan wasn‘t perfect (and neither should she have been) so it was great to see a ‘normal‘ teenage friendship between her and Abigail. 5mo
Megabooks @CarolynM I think there are a lot of people in the US (especially folks who fear looking forward for solutions) that would like to solidify their hold by taking away the rights of others - that includes voting. There was a bill that was going around this winter that would've made it difficult for women who changed to a married name to be able to register to vote. There are also people tossing around “headship voting“ where (con't) 5mo
Megabooks @carolynM a man would have control of the vote of his wife and each of his children (until they turn 18), so a married man with four children would have six votes to my one as a single woman. It's atrocious! 5mo
Megabooks I loved how St. James lays out a map for these women continuing their friendships in college and being adult roommates. Megan standing up in a conservative school environment for all of these other characters especially impressed me. She was quite a fearless teenager in her defense of Abigail, Erica, and Helen. I hope real teens like her never lose their spark. We need them. 5mo
CBee Loved them both. I almost wanted Erica and Helen to end up together! Megan was my fave of the two. She never gave up on Abigail. 5mo
BkClubCare @Bookwormjillk 😁😂🤗 5mo
Deblovestoread Everything felt so authentic to me as the friendships grew. I‘m so glad that Abigail and Erica were able to build friend relationships with Helen and Megan something they both really needed. 5mo
BkClubCare @Megabooks - whoa, I had NOT heard of that headship idea! and yes, voting 🗳️ in the US is confusing and debated for who is worthy. And they (powers that be) prefer apathy and decreased access so they can stay in power. 5mo
BkClubCare @CarolynM - I had to look that up, too. But yes, there are many blocks put up to make it difficult to vote; just making it confusing, bothersome, and “what‘s the point?” - it is infuriating to me. 5mo
BkClubCare I loved all the characters and appreciated that many were messy and good-hearted. The author did an excellent job with all the major and minor characters. Plus the humor! This is one of my favorite books this year. 5mo
Roary47 I think the realness of all the characters in this book were great. They made mistakes like all humans do. Thank you for this discussion. I learned a lot through the book and discussion. 🥰 5mo
Butterfinger I'll be up for #winter camp @squirrelbrain @Bookwormjillk Everyone needs a friend like Megan. She didn't let Abigail get by with stuff, but she was right there when needed. 5mo
Megabooks @BkClubCare Yeah, Vance has talked about it publicly. Just a crazy idea but a huge win for the quiverfuls if they can swing it. Someone like Jim Bob Duggar would have over 20 votes! 😱 5mo
BkClubCare @Megabooks - shaking my head. 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I think that we all need a Helen and Megan in our lives, these White Women who are more privileged and who will go hard for you. They are usually really dedicated, even if they can be a bit overwhelming, like with see between Megan and Abigail. I agree with everyone here, the relationships felt very authentic and I really enjoyed all of the characters, even the ones I think were terrible people St James really knows how to put a cast together. 5mo
Christine @squirrelbrain Yes please!! ❄️⛺️ 5mo
Christine @Megabooks 😱 is right re: Jim Bob having all those votes!! (And have you started watching Season 2 of Shiny Happy People?) 5mo
Megabooks @Christine I saw it was available last week, but I haven't watched it yet! 5mo
Zuhkeeyah The friendships were fantastic. I really appreciated Erica and Helen‘s since it took courage and understanding from both sides to get them over the initial misunderstanding. Megan and Abigail‘s friendship helped them both grow out of their comfort zones. Yes, I think Megan initially gravitated towards Abigail because she was trans, but something much more honest was built by the end. I hope all of them remain in contact. 5mo
Bookwormjillk @squirrelbrain I would love a #wintercamp ❤️ 5mo
DGRachel As someone who almost never reads LitFic outside of Camp, I can‘t believe I‘m going to say this, but the books this summer have been 🤯 and I would totally be game for #wintercamp @squirrelbrain 5mo
DGRachel Also, I know I‘m late to commenting, but I just finished this, and I think what I loved most was the characters - not only how real they felt, as complex, individual human beings, but also in relationship to each other as friends, family-figures, lovers, allies, etc. These are all women I would love to have in my life, in all their messy complexities. 5mo
Christine @Megabooks It‘s wild. I‘m just glad that I didn‘t know about Teen Mania as a kid (and that my parents wouldn‘t have been able to afford it anyway!). 5mo
JamieArc I loved these characters too. They weren‘t perfect, but they were real humans doing their best and showing up in an honest and caring way. Yes for #wintercamp ! While there may be a couple I don‘t love, many of them end up being home run picks for me, and this month‘s books will probably end up on my favorite of 2025 list 5mo
JamieArc @christine If we are talking about the same thing, I attended a big teen conference put on by Teen Mania. It set my life in a trajectory that I‘m now recovering from 🤮 5mo
JamieArc @christine I just looked it up and it is! I can‘t wait to watch the next season of Shiny Happy People (and probably be pretty triggered, lol) 5mo
Christine @JamieArc OMG really? Ugh, I‘m so sorry you went through that. I‘m sure we are talking about the same thing. Did you watch Season 1 of Shiny Happy People on Prime? Well now there‘s a Season 2 and it‘s about Teen Mania. Really rough watch but also really well-produced. 5mo
Christine @JamieArc Okay I just saw your second comment! Yes if you can handle Season 2 I think you may find a lot of value in it. (I‘m Exvangelical myself but escaped Teen Mania, at least. Again, I‘m really sorry about how you were harmed. 🩷) 5mo
GatheringBooks Loved reading all the thoughts here. I think my only peeve about the book was the seeming lack of intersectionality. But it didn‘t really matter in the end as the tale served its purpose: plus, better to have it this way than have tokenistic representations that do not ring true or seem authentic at all. 5mo
GatheringBooks I‘m all for a #WinterCamp, too. Let‘s do it! 5mo
CarolynM @Megabooks Absolutely disgusting 🤬 Every adult in a true democracy has a right to a vote of equal value. And I would argue they have a duty to exercise it. (edited) 5mo
Suet624 Not much to add to these great comments. I appreciated these characters and the book. Without this Camp I‘d never had even heard of the book. So many thank you‘s to all of you. 5mo
Kitta @squirrelbrain omg yes to a #wintercamp!! 5mo
Kitta @Megabooks headship voting sounds insane 😳 5mo
DebinHawaii I‘m behind & just finished the book yesterday & I‘m not doing a good job contributing to the discussions at all 😬 but I appreciate reading everyone‘s thoughts as they really enrich the books for me. I loved both Megan & Helen & their allyship for Abigail & Erica. The friendships were such a strong part of this wonderful book & I liked that no one was perfect & they made missteps along the way. 5mo
Maggie4483 I agree with everything here. Of all the relationships formed (or changed) throughout the course of this story, those of Abigail/Megan and Erica/Helen will be the deepest and most enduring. I don‘t see any chance of them ever moving past platonic, which is good. There is nothing better as a woman than a really, really great best friend. I recently reconnected with mine after 10+ years, and it‘s like no time has passed at all. 5mo
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Woodworking | Emily St James

You have always tried to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but that doesn't work when you want to obliterate yourself.

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I stayed up too late and finished this. Can‘t wait for the discussion tomorrow!
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Loved it. Great characters with distinctive voices , plotting that avoided cliché and predictability, smart writing and some wonderful calling out of the attitudes of the “Christian” Right - “…everything you say is bankrupt, warped by money and power and privilege”. “But a person‘s life is their own. Few sins are greater than trying to squeeze someone else into the shape you require them to be.” Can‘t wait to discuss #CampLitsy2025

Cathythoughts Great review 👍🏻❤️ 5mo
mjtwo Definitely need to order this 5mo
AmyG Yes, great review. I can‘t wait to discuss either. So much to say. 5mo
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Suet624 Fantastic review. 5mo
squirrelbrain Great review! Looking forward to discussing at the weekend. 5mo
Rissreadswithcats Oooooo! Great review! I was going to buy this last week but thought I would wait a little longer to see what the reviews would say. 5mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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This is so good! I read a lot of trans writing so I don't feel as blown away as others seem to be, but I really enjoyed this. Particularly how the other S. Dakota people were represented. "Allies" hiding in unlikely places, while you still are very aware of the results of an election that has not happened yet (quotes b/c you cannot be an Allie and vote for someone like Rose).
I thought the characters were realistic, the setting was perfect & ?

ChaoticMissAdventures The writing was easy to read and enjoyable without talking down. I missed the discussion over the weekend but I was disappointed in people"s reactions to Erica and Abigail's relationship. LGBTQ relationships are so complex. Often times it is the younger, more courageous person that helps older in the closet people, and the cause in general along. Marsha P Johnson was 23 when she threw that brick. I saw as someone who easily gets the ick from ? 6mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Age gap and power dynamics relationships. It might have been too much pressure for just A, but we are quickly shown she knows how to throw up her boundaries and use that block feature when she needs. I also think she gets a lot from Erica, a sense of community and purpose. Though both are not great friends a lot of the time. I thought Brooke's character was one of the most interesting, I will continue to think about her. 6mo
ChaoticMissAdventures If you read the last pages/messages from the author I think it is important if you have not read this one that St James mentions as being pivotal to your TBR, such a fantastic cannon in trans lit 6mo
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BarbaraBB Fab review. This weekend‘s discussion will be great again I expect 6mo
squirrelbrain Great review! Interesting to see a different POV on the relationship. Stacking your recommendation. 6mo
AmyG Thank you for your insight. 6mo
CarolynM Great review. I agree with you re the Erica-Abigail relationship, A‘s willingness to push back made the ostensible power imbalance feel less of an issue. I really want to read Nevada now. I recently read and loved this one which has a bit of a different feel 5mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @CarolynM I just think that people really needed to look at this particular relationship from a different lens than a normal teacher student relationship. Thank you for the rec!! It looks like this might be self published? I am not seeing it on any of my regular buying places but I am stacking it to keep checking. 5mo
CarolynM It‘s published by Fremantle Press which is an independent publisher in Western Australia. They do have international distribution so it should appear eventually. Or email me your address and I‘ll send you a copy - munchenberg at on the dot net dot au 5mo
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The idea of names in this novel. I am not sure if we are going to tackle this on Saturday but I had so many thoughts as I finish - in comments under spoilers.

ChaoticMissAdventures I thought these blank spaces were so clever! I love the use of them with Eric's dead name. I got so use to them I was shocked, and angry when we saw Abigail's dead name in Caleb's essay. Which I think might have been the point. The book is so careful throughout and then bang there is a name and how dare he? The whole essay was incredibly gross but I was just so upset to even know that name! 6mo
Butterfinger And the mother understood and didn't admonish him. Grrrr 6mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures @Butterfinger I think later she says she knew it was wrong. But she just didn't look into the future of who may read it, and like Caleb she cared more about getting him into college and what she believed the admin board would find impressive than how much she knew it was wrong, or what Abigail would feel if she found out. 6mo
BarbaraBB That was shocking indeed, that Caleb used that name. And totally unnecessary. He could have used a blank space too or an X or a completely different name. 6mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @BarbaraBB I think it is a case of you don't know until you know. Knowing his mom could have corrected him is intense. I think it made a ton of narrative impact. I am just mad I now know that name! 6mo
BarbaraBB Sure! The point is of course that Brooke should have correct him. So much impact. And the shock was real, learning a name I never wanted to know. 6mo
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Oh how I love this book ❤️ #camplitsy

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Sace I‘m so in love with your reading spot. 6mo
JuniperWilde Is this a new release? I‘m on the hunt for Cdn fiction for my holiday read. Any other recommendations for new(er) releases? 6mo
mcctrish @JuniperWilde this is a 2025 release but not 🇨🇦. I have The Retirement Plan by Sue Hincenbergs in my TBR, it‘s new and 🇨🇦 and Natalie Jenner has Austen at Sea just out and that‘s on my list to grab 6mo
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Christine
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Link to the recording of the book talk with Emily St. James that I‘d posted about last week - it was delightful (as is she!): https://youtu.be/oqRAV4GJQNY
#CampLitsy25

Ruthiella I attended as well. Thanks so much for the tip! 😊 6mo
squirrelbrain Oh, thank you! I saw your note on the other thread and was just about to ask you to post it so I could tag everyone, and here you are! 😜 6mo
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BarbaraBB Wow, thank you. I‘ll definitely watch it! 6mo
Butterfinger Thank you for sharing. 6mo
Hooked_on_books Oh, thank you! I look forward to watching this! 6mo
CBee Thanks Helen! 6mo
JamieArc Thanks for sharing! 6mo
JamieArc And thanks for tagging us @squirrelbrain I may have missed it otherwise! 6mo
Christine @Ruthiella Oh fun! Like I said to @Chelsea.Poole , wish I‘d known, would‘ve said hi in the chat!! 6mo
Christine @squirrelbrain Thank you for tagging everyone!! 🩷 6mo
vonnie862 Thank you for sharing! 6mo
GatheringBooks Thank you for the tag!! Appreciate it. 🥰 6mo
fredthemoose Love that so much! Just finished the book yesterday! 6mo
Prairiegirl_reading Thank you for sharing! 6mo
Christine @vonnie862 @Prairiegirl_reading Of course! It was so great to hear her thoughts on the book and writing in general. 6mo
Christine @GatheringBooks Happy to share and grateful for our tagging hero Helen @squirrelbrain ! 🩷 6mo
Christine @fredthemoose Yay - hope you loved it, too! 🩷 6mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome Christine! ❤️ 6mo
Meshell1313 This was awesome! Thank you for sharing! 5mo
Christine @Meshell1313 Yay, so glad you enjoyed!! 🩷 5mo
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TheKidUpstairs
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Not much to add to all the wonderful reviews of our latest #CampLitsy25 selection. It was a lovely, quick read about found family and finding yourself, and pushing back against a society that forces people into conventional pigeon holes. I enjoyed it, and loved catching up on everyone's discussions from last weekend!

squirrelbrain 💙💜🩷 6mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures
Woodworking | Emily St James
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#weeklyforecast
I didn't get much reading done this weekend, but hoping to make up groud this week!

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vonnie862
Woodworking | Emily St James
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3.5 ⭐️
This book was eye-opening. I learned about some of the hardships that trans people go through in trying to come out. I can not begin to imagine the constant struggle in trying to be your true self while many refuse to accept who you are.

I did not feel any attachment to any of the characters, but I did empathize with their pain. I understood Erika's confusion and Abigail's anger. They had each other for support. ⬇️

vonnie862 However, I was not okay with the student-teacher relationship and the cheating. Also, I was a bit annoyed with Abigail's character. 6mo
squirrelbrain Great review! 6mo
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Chelsea.Poole
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Another hit for #camplitsy25 🙌
Abigail (our 17 year old trans heroine) jumps right off the page as she‘s in conflict with just about everyone in her orbit. We get her perspective along with her (newly out to herself) teacher, Erica‘s POV. A learning experience for many and an emotional yet hilarious read full of heart. A winner! Looking forward to the remainder of the conversation next weekend.

squirrelbrain Yay - glad you loved it! 🥰 6mo
AnnCrystal 🤩🌼💝. 6mo
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CBee
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This gem could very well become my favorite book of the year. I laughed, cried, and learned so much ♥️ #camplitsy25 @BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain @Megabooks
#readyourkindle

Megabooks Same! Glad you enjoyed it! 6mo
CBee @Megabooks I‘m very much looking forward to whatever she writes next! I also loved her notes at the end. 6mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I loved her notes too! ❤️ 6mo
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Jas16
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Another great #camplitsy25 selection and an important read about trans lives and experiences and how vital it is to be seen and accepted for you truly are. I didn‘t expect this to be such a hard to put down, page turner but I had to know how things were going to turn out for these wholly vibrant, imperfectly perfect characters. #14books14weeks book 11

squirrelbrain Great review! 6mo
Reggie Awww great review. I loved this book, too. 5mo
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Bookwormjillk
Woodworking | Emily St James
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I finished this by the lake today and I‘ll add my praise to that of other reviewers. Every time this verged on cheesy or over the top St James brought it back to the likable but flawed characters. I loved it.

What a great summer of reading we‘ve had so far with #CampLitsy

squirrelbrain Yay! Glad you loved it! 6mo
BarbaraBB We‘ve voted so well this year! 6mo
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Hooked_on_books
Woodworking | Emily St James
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I fully intended to save the second half of this for later in the week, just before our next #CampLitsy25 discussion, but I just couldn‘t wait. I LOVED this! St James does a beautiful job of showing the reader that there are many ways to be trans. This is such a stunning debut. It has earned the rare privilege of being included in my permanent collection.

squirrelbrain So good, isn‘t it?! 🩷 6mo
BarbaraBB A debut? Until you mentioned this I mixed up the author with Emily St John Mandel 🤷🏻‍♀️ (I was surprised how much she knew about transition 🤦🏻‍♀️). Thank you for educating me 😘 (edited) 6mo
Bookwormjillk Same story. I was going to wait but then it was done. 6mo
Reggie @BarbaraBB for a hot minute I thought they were the same author, too. 5mo
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Suet624
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A story unlike any I‘ve read before that brings you inside the experience of being trans, of coming out as trans, of hiding that you‘re trans. The characters are all richly drawn and ones I‘ll remember for quite some time.

Thank you to #camplitsy25 for selecting this one as a summer read.

squirrelbrain Yes, such a ‘different‘ book, in a good way! 6mo
Suet624 @squirrelbrain 👍👍👍 6mo
BarbaraBB Sue! You‘ve been quiet. Hope all is well 🤍 5mo
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Suet624 @BarbaraBB Thanks for reaching out. Despite some good things happening (a wonderful family vacation at the ocean with all the kids and grandkids), I am struggling and depressed. I can't stand the cruelty and devastation going on. I find I'm looking at IG and the news more than Litsy and that equation has to change for my own mental health. 5mo
BarbaraBB Good to hear from you. Get rid of IG (not that I have 😇) it‘s so toxic. At least here there‘s a kind escape in books and talks. But I get you, the state of the world is very depressing. I do read the news but don‘t watch tv. I don‘t know. I can‘t deal with it for too long. Books are my safe place 5mo
Suet624 @BarbaraBB thanks, Barbara. I appreciate your thoughts. 5mo
sarahbarnes I‘ve been feeling the same way as you lately. Everything is so bad and I‘m struggling to not feel devastated and overwhelmed all the time. I‘m grateful to have kindred spirits on here but I‘ve been so distracted lately. 5mo
Suet624 @sarahbarnes I'm sorry, Sarah, to hear that you're struggling too. I really have no words to offer as far as how to move through this, but I do know that for me being on Litsy does help. Other than that, trying to find ways to support those groups who need assistance with labor or money is just about the only thing I know to do right now. 5mo
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HeatherBookNerd
Woodworking | Emily St James
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What a terrific debut! A trans high schooler befriends her still closeted trans teacher in this funny, sharp, compassionate novel that highlights a variety of trans experiences through an ensemble of fantastic, fleshed out characters and complex relationships. It champions the importance of solidarity and joy within the trans community despite the challenges that come with living in a society that often lacks understanding. I just loved it. 5⭐️

BarbaraBB You should chime in on yesterday‘s #CampLitsy25 discussion about this book! You find it on @Megabooks thread. 6mo
squirrelbrain Great review! ❤️ 6mo
HeatherBookNerd @BarbaraBB thanks for letting me know! I‘ll check out the discussion 6mo
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HeatherBookNerd @squirrelbrain thanks! It‘s a great book. 6mo
Suet624 Great review!! 6mo
Chelsea.Poole Well said! 6mo
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Butterfinger
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Lessons learned:
There are three types of courage - 1 You are yourself no matter what anyone says. You are your past, present, and future and you will fight anyone who tries to put you in a box. 2 You come out to one person at a time till you can deal with the repercussions (you may lose some, but look at what you will gain). 3 Even hiding yourself is courageous when you have to leave those you love and embrace the unknown.
YOU NEED SUPPORT...

Butterfinger No matter where you get it. As long as you feel accepted. A journey, even for those who are transitioning, is mirrored in Wilder's Our Town. Don't let fear rob you of life. I may not have liked the teacher/student relationship, but it was real and evoked so many positive emotions. I am so grateful I got to read this book with great people. #CampLitsy @Megabooks @squirrelbrain @@BarbaraBB 6mo
Ruthiella Nice call back to Our Town. I didn‘t think to wonder why that play over another. 👍 6mo
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BarbaraBB What @Ruthiella says! Smart thinking. And a great review 6mo
squirrelbrain Great review! I really we‘d to understand more about Our Town, although I said the same thing when I read Tom Lake. 🤷‍♀️ 6mo
Suet624 A wonderful review. 6mo
kspenmoll Great review! 6mo
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jenniferw88
Woodworking | Emily St James
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#camplitsy25 is really working for me this year! 4/4 getting 5 stars!

I started this at 6:10 this morning and have just finished it! And I had tears near the end, although not full-on crying!

@squirrelbrain @Megabooks @BarbaraBB

Megabooks I loved this too and gave it 5 ⭐. Glad you're enjoying camp so much! 6mo
Suet624 Wow. Thats some fast reading!! 6mo
BarbaraBB Another 5 ⭐️read! 4/4! Very glad. 6mo
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jenniferw88 @BarbaraBB 😀 I'm slightly nervous about Tilt - it didn't appeal throughout the voting process, so we'll see! We should be on safer ground with the Cosby, as I like crime fiction, but I haven't read him before, so who knows? (Actually, the only author from this year's camp I've read before is Okorafor 🤣) 6mo
BarbaraBB I hadn‘t read her before and did read three of the others 😀. I‘ve been curious about Tilt as well. 6mo
jenniferw88 @BarbaraBB with my medical issues, pregnancy/motherhood is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY (& possibly too dangerous), so I think I probably won't identify with the MC. 6mo
BarbaraBB I get that. I am a mother but I am especially looking forward to how she reacts to the events happening as a person not as a mother. I often am annoyed by those typical motherly reactions and can‘t really identify with them either somehow. Like in this book which I hope bears no resemblance to Tilt but has a slightly similar topic. 6mo
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Megabooks
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Welcome to our first discussion of Woodworking! Don't forget there are two additional questions.

Helen, Barbara, and I all have busy Saturday's, but we will do the best we can to be present for the discussion.

I'm truly happy this book has seen such as positive response, and I hope everyone enjoys today's questions! #CampLitsy25

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Megabooks I want to say that the first time Erica and Constance have sex after Erica confesses her gender to Constance is one of the most affirming, beautiful sex scenes I've ever read. I love that they could come together and feel those emotions and that attraction for the first time in a true and honest way. I feel bad about the complications with John and C's pregnancy, but I'm happy for Erica and Constance. 6mo
AmyG @Megabooks Yes. I felt that they could both be their authentic selves with each other. And by doing that, found that their love was always there and now had a space to grow. Constance with John, I felt, was HER being who she felt she was supposed to be. Erica and Constance were finally on equal ground. (edited) 6mo
BarbaraBB Well said both and I do agree. I feel a bit sorry for John. He is used by Erica to stay close and/or in touch with Constance and by Constance herself too for becoming that supposed-to-be woman that @AmyG points out. 6mo
Ruthiella I wasn‘t sure about Constance at first- should I (and Erica) trust her. But it does seem like John is not who she should be with as exemplified by him calling her Connie. I love how accepting of Erica she is when she knows and how this makes sense to her. 6mo
Soubhiville I‘ve just started, but I look forward to joining in on the questions later today or tomorrow! So far I really like it! 6mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I agree @BarbaraBB - I too felt sorry for John. I felt that Constance manipulated him slightly into a relationship, and that‘s why I too didn‘t trust her at first @ruthiella 6mo
Lesliereadsalot Erica and Constance have known each other a long, long time. They have a history together, a transcendent love for each other that will always be there. The relationship between Constance and John would always have to be something different. I did feel sorry for him because that other relationship preceded him and he couldn‘t do anything about it. I was so happy when Constance finally knew the truth, as we all would be. 6mo
Meshell1313 I kind of love that their relationship was always a friendship even when they weren‘t together. I‘m glad Erica has the person she can be completely herself and completely honest with. That‘s all anyone wants really. 6mo
Butterfinger They are best friends. She made it clear there was something missing, and it turned out to be Erica couldn't/didn't/wasn't ready to reveal herself. It just shows that your gender identity doesn't dictate who you are attracted to. It's a lovely story. John is not a person to whom you can say no. The evidence lies in his gaudy set design. He wants to help but doesn't back down. I didn't like this character. 6mo
Zuhkeeyah Erica and Constance had a strong friendship even when their marriage fell apart. Despite Erica distancing her, Constance didn‘t give up on their friendship. I was also uncertain whether Constance was going to be a safe harbor until she reacted well to Erica‘s revelation. John is being used by Constance so she can fit the traditional wife role expected by society. It‘s similar to what Erica did. 6mo
BkClubCare Great comments, all! Agree agreed 👏 I really enjoyed this book 💖 Happy Saturday everyone. 6mo
Suet624 I was happy for both of them that they were able to connect again on an honest level. I was surprised though by how quickly it happened. John seemed to take the changes very well, I must say. :) 6mo
Megabooks @Meshell1313 @butterfinger @zuhkeeyah I love that their relationship is based in a deep friendship, too. I think there was never an end to caring about the other, but I can understand why Constance was upset and felt lonely and turned to John before Erica came out. Her relationship with John must have felt much simpler in contrast. I hated how he called her Connie though. I hate it when people call me Megan. (My Meg is not short for that.) 6mo
ImperfectCJ I seem to have been dropped from the camp tag list. May I please be added back for next week's discussion? 6mo
mcctrish I guess the two relationships show we hide things in every relationship - Constance not telling John she isn‘t Connie and Erica not telling Constance her name ( the power of names!) I LOVE that when Constance learned Erica‘s true name that made her happy and their love scene was ❤️❤️❤️ as a Patricia who uses Trish/Trisha ( what my parents called me) when people shorten to Pat I lose my shit #youaredeadtome 6mo
vonnie862 I feel bad for Jon. But Erica and Constance feel right with each other. They just needed things to be cleared up. 6mo
Deblovestoread I am loving this book! First one in a while that I haven‘t wanted to put down. I don‘t blame Constance for wanting out of the marriage. Erica‘s fear of sharing her true self had her checked out of the marriage. And John seems a bit over the top but a nice guy who is trying a bit too hard. But Erica telling Constance and her recognizing she has always loved Erica was ❤️❤️❤️ 6mo
Megabooks @ImperfectCJ Idk why it's dropping people who are in the tag list. Last week it was @texreader the week before it was someone else. I think it is a Litsy problem because Helen and I have posted the same tag list every week. (We keep it in a communal email.) It's really frustrating for both you and us. I'm sorry! 6mo
Megabooks @mcctrish I 100% feel that. My Meg is short for Margaret, and I just don't feel like a Megan, so it's very frustrating to me when people call me that, especially an adult when I was younger trying to call me by my full name to sound important. It just made it clear they didn't know me at all. (edited) 6mo
Jas16 @megabooks @mcctrish I feel the same about being called Jenny. It is not who I am at all. 6mo
Jas16 I agree that these relationships really demonstrated the importance of being with someone you can be your true self with and what happens when you compromise that to stay with someone or because you aren‘t even comfortable with your authentic self. 6mo
Hooked_on_books @Megabooks I know it can be tricky to remember what happened in each half when you‘ve read the whole book, but please try to be more mindful of spoilers. It was very hard for me to put this book down after just the first half, and now because of your initial comment here, I know Erica and Constance have sex more than once and that there will be pregnancy complications, and I didn‘t want to know that yet! 6mo
Hooked_on_books I liked seeing their relationship evolve both in the current timeline as well as getting to see how things went for them in the past. It seemed at first that things might be prickly, but really they were both trying to figure out being divorced. It‘s clear they have a deep connection and have maintained their love, as we see them drawn back together. It‘s lovely. (Poor John, though.) 6mo
Hooked_on_books @ImperfectCJ I was dropped, too. It looks like the whole F-I block is missing from the tag list. 6mo
ImperfectCJ @Megabooks No worries! I find tagging people, especially a LOT of people, challenging even without technical glitches. And I do check the hashtag, so I eventually see the posts anyway, so not a huge thing. 6mo
Karisa Enjoying this book immensely. I do feel bad to be rooting so much for Constance and Erica when John seems like a nice person. If only Erica could‘ve trusted Constance more sooner. There‘s so much regret in her character‘s story arch. I‘m also wondering if you can be best friends while keeping such a big secret. Now that Constance knows and accepts her, they are a fun couple to cheer on. Greet writing to capture the complexities of this situation. 6mo
Kitta I find it hard to comment on this without adding spoilers!! I couldn‘t stop myself and read the whole thing in two days. 6mo
willaful I think I need to discover how to whole story comes out before knowing how I think. I'm kind of put off by how little thought either seems to be giving to John and if it turns out his part in the story is just to make is so they can have a baby, I'm going to be pissed off. 6mo
Megabooks @Hooked_on_books oh I didn‘t mean it like that. As far as complications, I meant emotional entanglement for Constance between her new relationship with John and her old relationship with Erica and how having the pregnancy gives her this extra tie to John that she wouldn‘t have otherwise. The scene I‘m speaking about with sex is the one in the bathroom that is the final chapter of part 1. 6mo
Megabooks @Hooked_on_books and by first time I meant as Erica and Constance rather than Erica presenting as male and Constance. I hope all this clears it up for you. 6mo
Bookwormjillk @willaful I agree with you- I need to know the end. Right now halfway through I‘m happy for them but am also afraid they are clinging together for the comfort because they are so familiar to each other. 6mo
GatheringBooks Loved reading everyone‘s take on the Erica-Constance-John triangle. I was pleasantly surprised about how Constance wholly embraced Erica‘s transformation - but didn‘t anyone feel that it seemed too good to be true? I loved that it all worked out for them but the skeptic / cynic in me cannot help but ask whether it is realistic at all, that there isn‘t any residual resentment on both sides for the many years that they missed out on. 6mo
GatheringBooks Btw, i also did not get tagged for this round. 6mo
CarolynM I‘m loving the book. I really like the very distinct voices of Erica and Abigail. I think it‘s great that the love between E & Constance is about them as people & that sexual expression flows from that. I don‘t think that gets talked about enough. I‘m interested in the E‘s feelings of not fitting in & the way she tried with John & his friends. I hate the whole “this is how men are” vs “this is how women are” thing. 6mo
CarolynM I agree with @Butterfinger about John. I feel like he means well but is kind of unintentionally bulldozing over other people‘s ideas and feelings. I find people like that hard to like. @willaful If that‘s what happens I‘ll be annoyed too. 6mo
CBee @Megabooks I agree - that was a beautiful scene. 6mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks @mcctrish Another American thing to want to shorten names to preferably one syllable 😀 - and especially men‘s names I guess. (edited) 6mo
BarbaraBB @flaneurette @fredthemoose @Gatheringbooks @gissy @Graciouswarriorprincess @Hooked_on_books @ImperfectCJ Somehow one series of tags didn‘t come through which is why you weren‘t tagged for the discussion this time. We‘re sorry, please come and join us when you read this 💕 6mo
jenniferw88 @Megabooks, because I don't really look at litsy profiles (except for ones I check frequently), I tend to call people by their litsy handles when talking to my parents about Litsy. I don't think I realised your name was Meg (sorry! 🤣), but I don't think I'd have guessed Megan or Margaret as your name, either! I don't know what I thought it was, though 🤣🤣🤣⬇️ 6mo
jenniferw88 ⬆️ and even when I'm talking about Helen @squirrelbrain to my parents, I still clarify her as my friend who likes squirrels (especially if I just say her litsy handle) 🤣🤣🤣 6mo
jenniferw88 @Jas16 interesting! I'm definitely a Jen or Jenny. I'm only Jennifer on social media to remain consistent across platforms and for hospital appointments. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole @GatheringBooks definitely agree! I loved how Constance accepted Erica immediately —this seemed like the dream reaction we would all want in Erica‘s shoes. But how was she able to get there so quickly? And know exactly how to navigate the situation with care and be that perfect partner? Felt like she would have held some resentment towards Erica. Maybe it‘s one of those fairytale bits we should just be happy with, not often found IRL. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole Also—names: my mom is Margaret and called Meg, like you. Some people (who don‘t know her) use Megan and it‘s so weird! There‘s a bunch of nicknames for Margaret…I always liked Greta! 6mo
Megabooks @jenniferw88 I have that same issue, too! I talk about people occasionally using Litsy handles, and my friends think I'm nuts. 😂 😂 6mo
Megabooks @Chelsea.Poole I hardly ever think of Greta as a nickname for Margaret, but it is a very nickname-rich name. My grandmother's name is Margaret (hers was never shortened), and when my mom wanted to name me after her, she liked Meg from Little Women, so that's why Meg was my nickname! 6mo
BarbaraJean @Megabooks @Chelsea.Poole I'm super late to the party but have to chime in on names! My mother's name was Elizabeth & she always went by Betty Ann. People would constantly shorten it to Betty (which she hated). I was with her at the optometrist's once and they called her “Liz,“ trying to be familiar. She just about lost it. I'm still baffled as to WHY would anyone would assume a nickname from a name that offers 7 or 8 options of nicknames. 🙄 ⬇ 5mo
BarbaraJean Relatedly, I loved the way this book handled names—deadnames and otherwise. So much identity is bound up in names—what people call each other reveals a lot (i.e. “Connie“). The way Erica's deadname is handled is especially masterful, showing it's not that hard to call people what they want to be called—not referring to them by deadnames/former pronouns—even in a novel with shifting perspectives and flashbacks, even when a character isn't yet out. (edited) 5mo
Maggie4483 @megabooks @Chelsea.Poole @BarbaraJean I‘m also really behind, but figured I should comment as a fellow Margaret. That is my legal name, but my parents always intended me to go by Maggie (after Patricia Neal‘s character in In Harm‘s Way). I HATE when people call me Margaret, especially people who know me. At least, until a few days ago when I found out that maga is using Margaret as a sort of “liberal Karen” insult. Now I couldn‘t be prouder 🤣 5mo
Chelsea.Poole @Maggie4483 I had no idea about the maga Margaret situation. My mom will be thrilled. 😆 5mo
Megabooks @Maggie4483 OMG I love that!! I will take being a liberal Karen over a real Karen any day! I do not mind Margaret nearly as much as Megan. I think because Margaret is my grandmother's name it makes me feel close to her when people call me that but Megan just feels totally wrong! Every time he called her Connie, it just grated against my skin. Iykyk! 5mo
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Megabooks
Woodworking | Emily St James
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Helen Swee's quixotic campaign is a big part of the first half and a catalyst for Megan and Abigail's friendship. What do you think of Helen's campaign? #CampLitsy25

AmyG Helen….fighting the good fight for what she believes in. Same with the girls. It has to be hard living in a “red” town when you have different beliefs and values. Never give up hope. Never stop fighting for what you believe in. 6mo
Megabooks @AmyG I live in the reddest town of over 50k people in my red state. When I find someone who believes what I believe, it is a joy. One of my neighbors is a retired nurse, and we built a friendship that started on a belief in science and precautions around the time of the Covid vaccine. I think it's important to forge those connections to keep your sanity! 6mo
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BarbaraBB This is such a rich thread - the Helen Swee campaign and the town‘s loyalty to Isiah Rose aren‘t just political details; they reveal the emotional and moral backbone of each character and the town itself. Erica‘s involvement is more personal than political (she admired Helen‘s strength and is in need of female friends). Abigail‘s involvement is hesitant at first but she really grows in her role. 6mo
AmyG @Megabooks Agree. Also….misery loves company. 🤣 And how crazy to say you forged a friendship on a belief in science. 🤪 (edited) 6mo
BarbaraBB Isaiah represents nostalgia, and the illusion of unity. The town‘s loyalty to him speaks to a deep resistance to change or to acknowledging past wrongs. His popularity isn‘t just about him; it‘s about the town protecting its comfort and identity. To question Isiah is to question everything they‘ve believed in for years. 6mo
AmyG @BarbaraBB Welcome to America. Where anyone or anything new or different is “bad”. 6mo
Ruthiella I loved Helen and her plucky campaign. She seems she could be a good friend to Erica if Erica had the courage to tell Helen the truth. 6mo
Lesliereadsalot Erica and Abigail are living the nightmare of having someone like Isaiah out to get them. I loved Helen‘s character, someone to stand up for equality and a really good person. Abigail and Erica finally have someone who gets them, no small event where they live. 6mo
Meshell1313 I love having this run parallel with the storyline- it‘s like seeing how politicians actions affect people in real time. Thought it was such a smart way to show the impacts! 6mo
Butterfinger I love Helen and her campaign. She is against the popular choice but is still courageous to fight the hypocrite. Abigail and Erica know Rose is wanting them to disappear instead of getting to know them as an individual. The only thing I have against her is that she didn't protect Abigail when she read the texts. She should have made sure he wasn't a predator. 6mo
Zuhkeeyah The campaign highlighted the societal challenges faced by the LGBTQIA community in small rural towns who equate church doctrines as political policies. Isaiah represented the majority view that does not welcome change. While Helen showed there is another group willing to be accepting of differences. The town‘s support for Isaiah becomes a reminder of why they need to be careful who they trust. 6mo
Suet624 @Meshell1313 Great point. 6mo
squirrelbrain That‘s a great point @Zuhkeeyah - whilst there are strong links between religion and politics in some areas of the UK, it‘s not as prevalent as in the US. 6mo
Megabooks @AmyG @barbarabb Unfortunately, yes. America has far too much nostalgia for an imaginary past. 6mo
Megabooks @Butterfinger I agree. With Rose and his ilk it goes beyond not wanting to know them. I think there are many that want transgender and other LGBTQIAP+ people erased - from culture, from books, from TV, from schools, from sports, from bathrooms, from politics. 6mo
JamieArc Helen‘s campaign is really important. Even knowing she won‘t win, to have someone in the public eye who supports you and shares similar values is so important in a town like that. I really do hope that Erica tells Helen soon, though, or that part of the story is going to get really messy. 6mo
mcctrish I think Helen will the next person Erica lets in on her identity ( I‘m sooo glad she told Constance) the quagmire of a church leader running for a political position 😬 it shouldn‘t really be fraught, the 2 positions should want what‘s best for all, we are only as strong as our weakest link but no, he runs on fear and shame. If Helen only rallies enough people to show Isaiah that there is another point of view 👍🏻👍🏻 6mo
Deblovestoread @Butterfinger I agree. Helen should be sounding the alarm even though we the reader know it‘s fine, mostly. I love that Helen is fighting the good fight to offer a different view. 6mo
Jas16 I love Helen and that even though she knows she is fighting a losing battle she is still out there using her voice and showing others that there people out there who see you and are willing to to stand up for you. 6mo
Hooked_on_books I think the Helen storyline grounds the story in the reality of right wing politics and dark red parts of the country, especially in the lead up to the first election of the idiot orange, which is the backdrop of the book. I‘m also hopeful for the second half that Erica will come out to Helen and they will be able to form the adult friend relationship Erica really needs. 6mo
Karisa I like Helen and Megan so much. It takes courage to stand up for what you believe in while so many others seem to be saying the opposite. Of course, their political views align with mine. I keep yelling at Erica to trust Helen more. She needs another friend. 6mo
Christine @Hooked_on_books Agreed re: that important grounding! 6mo
Kitta I like that Helen says something along the lines of « it‘s a fight worth fighting even if you know you‘re going to lose ». I feel it‘s so important to stand up for what you believe in and maybe there will be people unable to stand up for themselves who need to hear your voice. Agreed with @Jas16 (I just typed my comment and realized I‘m saying what you said less eloquently)! It means a lot to me an a queer person in the US right now. 6mo
Kitta @Butterfinger I agree, Helen should have said something about the texts between Erica and Abigail. Even if she (Erica) says they‘re innocent, I‘d hesitate to believe her if I were Helen. 6mo
willaful I love reading about queer people and allies in red states. It's important to keep fighting and to let people know they're not alone. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole I don‘t always love reading about politics but I feel like this campaign and the way it brought the characters together felt authentic. The trans community is, unfortunately, thrust into politics (if they want to be or not) so I am sure it impacts many—something that is unavoidable for these folks and their families/friends. 6mo
GatheringBooks I love how you described Helen‘s campaign as “quixotic” - the doomed to fail from the start element of it is self-evident; but i love the hope and light that it represents. Simply because you are up against city hall itself doesn‘t mean you stop fighting the good fight. 6mo
CarolynM Seconding @BarbaraBB ‘s comments. Also, I know that church plays a big role in many Americans‘ lives, but in my view it is inappropriate for a clergyman to be in political office. Separation of church and state is an important principle. 6mo
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Woodworking | Emily St James
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In addition to wondering about their friendship and Abigail's role as Erica's trans mom, there is the teacher/student dynamic at play, too. I think there's also something to question whether the nature of their relationship as appropriate for a teacher and student.

That's all for this week. Hope to see you back next week when we'll talk about the whole book! #CampLitsy25

AmyG While I at first found the teacher/student relationship uncomfortable…I slowly began to understand it….becase it worked as a friendship. There was nothing about the friendship that made me uncomfortable because it was truly just that. A relationship between two people that needed and supported each other. A true friendship. 6mo
Megabooks I didn't think much about the teacher/student dynamic until I started reading people's thoughts here. To me, it was obviously a support system and bond between two lonely, different people in a small town. I love how encouraging and affirming Abigail is and how she never uses Erica's deadname even when they're at school and it's hard. 6mo
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BarbaraBB More than a “trans mom” I think Abigail and Erica form a beautiful example of chosen family. Neither of them started the story looking for the other—but they became exactly what the other needed: not saviors, not perfect mentors, just real people offering love and understanding in an environment that mostly denied both. Loved it. (edited) 6mo
Ruthiella I thought the line was crossed a few times but also that Erica is aware that she shouldn‘t be getting her emotional support from a teenager. It‘s a tricky balance but the author handles it. That‘s what I loved about the book (or one of the things) - how every character is realistic and flawed but you still care about them. 6mo
Bookwormjillk I like this relationship but it also makes me very nervous! Erica! Be careful! I‘m about to hit the road so will check back in with something more thought out later. I am enjoying this book very much. 6mo
Lesliereadsalot Erica needs someone, anyone, to help her through this difficult time, and Abigail, while not the perfect choice, is someone who sees her. I thought the teacher/student thing was a little icky to begin with, but as the story evolved I loved their friendship and that they could be themselves. Who doesn‘t want to be with people who “see” us? My best relationships and friendships are based on that. (edited) 6mo
Butterfinger I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. As a teacher, Erica knows she should not create a relationship with a student. I don't care how innocent it is. It shouldn't be done. The evidence she knows better is when she jokes about the texts being subpoenaed. I understand the deep need to forge relationships- like calls to like-but not with a child. Erica can Google support sessions. It just seems very unhealthy to depend on a child to keep you afloat. 6mo
Butterfinger It may be that I am a teacher and know have seen how easily a reputation can be tarnished. I wouldn't have any qualms with a college student. I love how @BarbaraBB calls it a 'chosen family'. A beautiful sentiment. I guess this one time, my past and experiences affect how I am interreacting with the story. I will attempt to look at the issue from Abigail's sister's perspective (how would I be if I was a mom of a child who transitions) 6mo
BkClubCare I both agree with @Butterfinger here AND @Ruthiella. Can I do that? 🤨 which is another reason books and book discussion is SO helpful, that literature brings out these opportunities for connections and navigating the gray areas. 6mo
Zuhkeeyah The power balance was weird at first but began to make sense as the friendship began to blossom. Abigail began relying on Erica more than the other way around. It was important to them both to have someone properly see them. I like how both characters realized it was an unorthodox friendship not many would understand, but they still leaned into each other. 6mo
Butterfinger I know I would want them to be accepted and valued and seen. How would I feel if my child had a close, intimate (sharing details) with a teacher? I have to explore and really evaluate my feelings. I also know I have major trust issues. 6mo
Suet624 Desperation to be seen and known as who you really are can cause one to do things you know might not be the best thing to do. I felt that so much from Erica, the teacher, reaching out to Abigail, the student. Also, because it was a novel, I didn't have to really put much thought into it. :). (edited) 6mo
Suet624 Now the great thing about this book is how much it makes you think of gender. I‘ve been wondering if IRL I would accept a male teacher being friends with a male student any easier than I would a male teacher being friends with a female student. I appreciated this novel because it really puts you in a position to feel into what it feels like to be trans - I‘ve not read another book that does it as well. 6mo
squirrelbrain Great points @Suet624 - particularly about the genders of teachers / students and being friends. It‘s not something I‘d considered before. 6mo
squirrelbrain @bkclubcare - so true! Fiction and the discussions around stories can really help us to understand our and others‘ non-fiction lives. 6mo
Megabooks @Butterfinger Thank you for chiming in as an educator! I'm reading a book now where a student gets groomed and abused by a teacher and the student's friend murders the teacher. I can understand where that caution in extracurricular interaction comes from. I think I saw the relationship as not maliciously intentioned on Erica's end, but as a long-term teacher, she should've known better. 6mo
Megabooks @Butterfinger I think it also speaks to Erica's deep confusion and being really unsettled by admitting this to herself. I think she's undone and making decisions she probably wouldn't have made while in the closet and presenting as male. @suet624 I think this is a good thing to think critically about, too. (edited) 6mo
JamieArc Maybe I should have been icked out by the student/teacher power dynamic, but I wasn‘t. I thought of it as found family too. I wonder if people would be more comfortable with the friendship if Erica were female-presenting so that it didn‘t appear to be a male teacher/female student relationship (I hope I‘m wording this correctly). 6mo
ImperfectCJ I've been trying to think up an analogous situation with an emotionally charged situation/need for support using different genders, and I imagined a story where a pregnant teacher has a student who's a teen mom who seems to be taking the role in stride. If the teacher approached the student and shared how scared she was about being a parent and asked for suggestions and support, I think that would clearly cross a line. 6mo
ImperfectCJ While it's clear for the reader that Erica doesn't intend any harm, I think it's too much to have put on a teenager. Erica seems to realize this eventually (and Abigail knew it right away), but I'm not sure the author spoke to this imbalance as clearly as I would have liked. Just because you desperately need support doesn't mean you have a right to request it from just anyone in a similar situation, especially your student. 6mo
mcctrish I was leery in the beginning but does Erica have any fucks left to give? And with Abigail‘s sister and partner, Constance and soon ( I just know it ) Helen, the group gets bigger and there is more support for both A and E. The absolute joy of this book ❤️❤️❤️ found family for the win 6mo
vonnie862 This bothered me. As a teacher, I always make sure to draw a line. I know Erica was going through something, but it's not fair to Abigail. 6mo
Deblovestoread I‘m leaning into the found family vibe and trying not to judge Erica and what is obviously an inappropriate situation. It is good she knows it‘s over the line and I think if Abigail had been a different personality it wouldn‘t have happened. 6mo
Megabooks @mcctrish I think that's an interesting point about the “fucks“. I think Erica clearly knows her teaching career is toast (at least in that town) when people find out she's trans. 6mo
ImperfectCJ To me, this is more about adult-child relationships than it is about teacher-student. Even if Erica weren't Abigail's teacher, it would be a boundaries issue. But it's possible I'm biased by being raised by a woman with no boundaries whatsoever who treated me like a "best friend" from day 1 and relied on me for emotional support through big adult stuff. It's unfair to treat a child as an adult; Erica having no fucks to give makes it no more fair. 6mo
Jas16 I was in the disturbed by the boundary crossing camp. I was recommending this book to a co- worker and gave her a disclaimer about it. I understand the deep need driving Erica and appreciate what their friendship brings out of Abigail but I still said, “What the heck are you doing?” To Erica more than once as I read. Abigail is still a kid trying to figure out her own life with so much on her plate. 6mo
Jas16 @ImperfectCJ It took me until about 3 years ago to set firm boundaries with my mother and she was shocked. I feel for you and am sorry you have had to go through that. 6mo
Hooked_on_books It‘s clear to me that Erica sees the issues with her interactions with Abigail, but she so badly needs someone, and Abigail is like a searchlight in the darkness for her: an out, visible trans person in this very transphobic space. And there‘s something fabulous in the role reversal of Erica being the student. I think it‘s a great dynamic for fiction. If this was NF, I would have other feelings about it. 6mo
Karisa @Butterfinger Agreed! (Teacher here too) wishing Abigail was a college age kiddo too. She‘s a senior but still so young. I keep hoping that Erica would reach out to Abigail‘s sister Jennifer and form a bond there with her family. It‘s clear that Erica has a unique point of view but the boundaries need establishing due to the power imbalance/nature of the job. I‘ve had at least a couple of students that remind me so much of Abigail… 6mo
Karisa @Megabooks Yeah, I keep thinking “might be time to move back to California for Eric‘s and Constance.” But then I think, god this town needs a wake up though. How many other trans people live there and are “woodworking” (understandably)? How many small towns have Erica‘s they know and love but don‘t fully know? 6mo
Christine Chiming in with some info from the Zoom author event I posted about the other day! St. James spoke about this in a number of ways (one of which I won‘t mention until next weekend because it could be considered mildly spoiler-y). I thought it was super interesting that she noted her own too-close relationships with HS teachers. She largely attributed it to being rural South Dakota (e.g., a teacher driving her hours away to a non-school event ⬇️ (edited) 6mo
Christine felt normal because how else would she get there?). In retrospect she sees these relationships as not appropriate, even though nothing inappropriate happened within them. Made me further appreciate how important the setting is in this book! (edited) 6mo
Kitta @BarbaraBB I agree about it being chosen family. Since Abigail uses the term Trans-mom for herself, it‘s an interesting flip on student-teacher roles. Erica being willing to learn from a student shows a bit how few role models there are in their lives and how desperately she‘s seeking guidance. Not to say Abigail is a bad teacher but it does put them in awkward situations. 6mo
Kitta @Christine I wish I could have attended that! The hvac repair guys were still here and needed my input on some things and I missed it. It sounded really interesting. 6mo
Kitta @ImperfectCJ oof my mom does that too and I‘ve only learning to set boundaries now in my 30s. With everyone. It messed up my understanding of what‘s acceptable and I prickled a bit at Erica‘s reliance on Abigail and the toll that must have taken on Abigail. 6mo
Christine @Kitta It was great! They did record but haven‘t yet responded to my email asking if I can access the recording. If I can, I‘ll share! 6mo
willaful As a mom, it disturbed me but I kind of got past that by thinking of the long history of queer people supporting each other. The main problem I see is that Erica keeps withdrawing her support, out of fear. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole @Christine I was going to mention the discussion with the author too! After watching the zoom discussion I know how much thought and care was put into the Erica - Abigail relationship. Having listened to it before reading the book I was more at-ease going in, if that makes sense. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole And I can agree with the small town nature that changes things for teacher-student interactions. Though in my experience it was always a bad thing: teachers were often at parties or “on the river” with students. Not a good look. It was a different time (but not that long ago!). Freaks me out thinking back on some things that went down in this small town! 6mo
GatheringBooks Loved reading the thoughts here - especially the ones shared by the teachers. I am a teacher educator myself and can see the many ways in which the interaction between Erika and Abigail can be easily misconstrued. However, the entire novel for me seemed larger than life and improbable and feel-good (nothing wrong with that really), that the vulnerability shown by Erika to Abigail who is also struggling with her own shit seemed par for the course. 6mo
CarolynM Really interesting input from the teachers amongst us - thank you all! I didn‘t think about this aspect very much, I think largely because Abigail is so good at pushing back. It might have bothered me more if A was in E‘s classroom which I don‘t think she is, unless I‘ve missed it (always possible!) To play devil‘s advocate - is A gaining through the experience of being the “trans mom”? Is this an unusual way of giving a kid some responsibility? 6mo
squirrelbrain That‘s a really interesting point @CarolynM - although I don‘t think Erica was seeing it that way, she was only thinking of herself. 6mo
squirrelbrain @christine - looking forward to hearing more about the author event next week and hopefully you can get the recording. 6mo
DGRachel I think I may be the outlier on this book overall. I‘m struggling to make any progress in it because of this relationship. My whole body is screaming “NO!”, whether you consider it as an inappropriate adult/child friendship or as a “teacher/student”. Abigail seems to push back and hold her ground, but she‘s still a child and no matter the intention, there‘s still a power imbalance at play that I am struggling to get past. 6mo
Christine @Chelsea.Poole You were in the Zoom? Fun!! I‘d have chatted at you if I‘d known. 😄 (Was fun that it was such a small group! I‘ll be checking out more of their events for sure.) 6mo
Christine @squirrelbrain Got the link to the Zoom recording! 🎉 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oqRAV4GJQNY (edited) 6mo
Chelsea.Poole @Christine yes! I saw your post and signed up. Thanks for sharing! 6mo
Kitta @Christine oh perfect! I‘ll listen to that today! Thanks so much!! 6mo
Christine @Kitta Hope you enjoy(ed)! 🩷 5mo
Kitta @Christine I did! It was really interesting. That line the editor wanted to remove though… I agree 😂 5mo
Christine @Kitta LOL! I was the inquiring mind in the chat needing to know what that line was!! 5mo
Kitta @Christine no way! I‘m so glad you asked because I needed to know! Lol 5mo
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Woodworking | Emily St James
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"It's a thing we transes do. The second we learn who somebody is, we can make them snap into place. "There you are," we say, because there you are."

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