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This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom | Martin Hägglund

Political Theology sounds right up modern America‘s alley. Sadly, it‘s not constitutionalâ€¦ not that that‘s stopping anyone.
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TheBookHippie ðŸ¤¦ðŸ»â€â™€ï¸ðŸ¤¦ðŸ»â€â™€ï¸ðŸ¤¦ðŸ»â€â™€ï¸ðŸ¤¦ðŸ»â€â™€ï¸to angry even to form words to answer. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie it is a frustrating timeâ€¦ now they‘re moving to make separation of church and state unconstitutional. ðŸ™„ 2y

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Is this even possible? Is Capitalism really all that holding us back from a society like this?
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TheBookHippie Alt Right Religion is too.. the two combined on purpose would need to be dismantled. 2y

ravenlee Alt right religion and capitalism are so intertwined they are effectively the same thing @TheBookHippie - oh, I saw one of the GOP fascists (can‘t find which one, they‘re all interchangeable) celebrating the RvsW overturn talking about religious conservatives needing to divorce the party from big business. GOP splinter groupsâ€¦interesting times. 2y

GingerAntics @ravenlee the GOP *is* big business. That‘s so cute. Interesting times indeed. Agree about alt right and capitalism bring effectively the same. 2y

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I‘ve been debating if it‘s even possible to separate church and state. That‘s the only way I can see allowing people to practice the spirituality of their choice (or none at all), while still maintaining a social structure that benefits all â€œeach according to their abilities, each according to their needs.â€ The religions themselves would have to change. 2y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics It has to be kept separate or we are doomed. Not just now but long after we are gone. Or we will be Afghanistan which is basically Trump Christianity Capitalism. 2y

TheBookHippie @ravenlee Nothing shocks me. They are one in the same and who knows what these fools will do next. I cannot fathom .......ugh. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh I totally agree. Unfortunately, we are moving closer and closer to that with this bloody court. We need to start impeaching the ones that lie under oath to congress about not overturning legal precedent. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @ravenlee we could be screwed. I wonder how long until they attempt to make anyone who is not Christian illegal? This group could end up illegal. Come at me you conservative nut bags. 2y

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This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom | Martin Hägglund

This pretty much sums up the problem in America right now. (Always?)
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TheBookHippie Yes. Community is how to avoid this. But â€¦ Also Indians understood community and so do a lot of groups that get targeted by alt right religion coincidence? I think not. 2y

ravenlee The tragedy of the commons writ large. 2y

ravenlee @TheBookHippie also the matriarchal cultures that predate warmongering patriarchies. 2y

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @ravenlee I‘ve always wondered how people can be so divorced from basic cause and effect of their actions and how everyone just looks out for themselves, while children are constantly pestered with â€œdon‘t be selfish.â€ ðŸ™„ It‘s such hypocrisy, but now I understand where it comes from. 2y

TheBookHippie @ravenlee I JUST TOLD MY SON THIS YESTERDAY!!!! About Matriarchal society. 2y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics ME ME ME ME ME ME ........because GOD. That's what the men say......the old white men. The WORST part for me is all the WHITE WOMEN who go along support and are even worse than the men. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh my god yesâ€¦ somehow the women are the most militant. 2y

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TheBookHippie RIGHT?! Capitalism is such inherent evil. 2y

ravenlee I just cannot understand how capitalism is supposed to be a long-term system. It‘s completely unsustainable. It requires constant expansion based on consumption with no endgame. 2y

GingerAntics @ravenlee @TheBookHippie exactly. I never thought about it before reading this book (I thought the problem was materialism and greed, but those are really the problems with capitalism) but it‘s not going to end well. Unfortunately, right now, it feels like conservatives are doubling down. 2y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I hope it is their last gasp of breath before death but I am thinking I won't live to see that happen...... 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie sameâ€¦ I‘d love for this to be the death gasp. The conservatives aren‘t going to understand the backlash that is going to happen. It‘s already starting and somehow wanting to make our own medical decisions makes us extremists. 2y

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GingerAntics

This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom | Martin Hägglund

Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Thoughts?
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TheBookHippie Yup. BLM marches. Ugh. 2y

ravenlee Standard procedure. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @ravenlee yup! It almost sounded verbatim what happened when T**** wanted to take that awkward photo, awkwardly holding a Bible in front of that church. It‘s roughly the same lol cation, too. Not much changes, huh? 2y

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TheBookHippie @GingerAntics nope. Nothing changes as @Ravenlee says S.O.P. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @ravenlee yupâ€¦ nothing really changes 2y

ravenlee I can‘t remember and can‘t find it after a brief search - did we pick our next book? 2y

GingerAntics @ravenlee we had not. I just posted our next book and tagged everyone so you should have it about the same time you get this response. ðŸ˜‚ I figured I‘d wait until after the 4th before even spinning the wheel of wisdom, but it has not spoken!!! 2y

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This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom | Martin Hägglund

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Quite a dense, but important read. This really speaks to where we are in America right now. It leaves me with a few questions, though. I will defend your right to believe as you see fit, believe what you believe is â€œtrue, good, and just,â€ even if I completely disagree with those believes, even if those beliefs are not my own. It is the American way. Will you extend the same constitutional courtesy to me?
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GingerAntics I look like you. Would your answer be different if I didn‘t? I talk like you. Would your answer be different if I didn‘t? I fear the answer in modern America is a resounding no to the first and even more hostile to the second and third as we currently stand. #ThisLife #MartinHagglund #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety 2y

TheBookHippie â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸ALLOFTHIS. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I can‘t believe we‘ve finished the book. I was shocked when the audiobook suddenly kicked to the credits. This one was definitely denser than Sophie. 2y

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TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I am so so so glad we read it!!!! It has been a gift to us all these months. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie it really has! I wish I could remember who recommended it. I want to thank her! 2y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I believe it was @kspenmoll 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that‘s what I thought. @kspenmoll thank you for bringing this wonderful book to the group!!! ðŸ§¡ðŸ§¡ðŸ§¡ 2y

kspenmoll @GingerAntics You are welcome. I am behind all of you hut determined to finish it this summer. 2y

GingerAntics @kspenmoll you got this!!! The audiobook definitely helps if you can get your hands on it. Feel free to jump into conversations as you get there. If you tag us, we will gladly jump in with you. 2y

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GingerAntics

This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom | Martin Hägglund

Only two questions this week. It was a fairly short section.
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TheBookHippie Oy. It just amazes me more that people think the promise is golden paved roads and riches when they die. They missed the heaven as on earth? ðŸ¤·ðŸ»â€â™€ï¸ 2y

TheBookHippie But no. No promised land I think we‘re backsliding at an alarming rate!!!!! 2y

ravenlee Agree with Christine. Things have gotten so much worse in the last forty years. 2y

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @ravenlee absolutely agree with the backsliding. Since Obama took office it seems people are more than happy to be openly racist. It seems the backsliding really picked up speed at that point. 2y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics it‘s more to me like the country is now like where I live has always been which is frightening and exhausting all at once. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that is truly terrifying!!! 2y

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GingerAntics

This Life: Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom | Martin Hägglund

Whoops, forgot to post. I guess there is one advantage to waking up early with a migraineâ€¦ I think.
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Chrissyreadit Nope 2y

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit ðŸ¤£ðŸ˜‚ðŸ¤£ðŸ§¡ðŸ§¡ðŸ§¡ I think this perfectly sums up my position as well. Hell, it IS my position. 2y

TheBookHippie Because that‘s worked in the pastâ€¦.. aka um no. (edited) 2y

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TheBookHippie @Chrissyreadit ðŸ† 2y

ravenlee No more than to protect me from cancer or other illness. No divinity has ever prevented catastrophe - and has, in fact, (if you believe the holy books) caused more than a few. 2y

Graywacke ðŸ¤¦ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ 2y

GingerAntics @ravenlee that is absolutely a fair statement!!! There are a lot of famines and pestilence that deities have supposedly thrown at mankind. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie ðŸ¤£ðŸ˜‚ðŸ¤£ 2y

GingerAntics @Graywacke that‘s about right! 2y

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TheBookHippie This is interesting to me like people who take the Bible literal or atheist saying you believe what?! I‘m not sure I could separate me from the text. (edited) 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I was having the same thought. I think I would find it very hard to separate myself from what I was reading, at least when it came to the Christian Bible. I think if it was a religious text I hadn‘t been raised with it might be easier. Maybe not the Jewish Bible either since most of it is in the Christian Bible, but the Quran probably would be easier to separateâ€¦ although they have the same first several books, so maybe not. 2y

ravenlee I‘ve been meaning to read the Bible, as I‘ve only ever read sections (in a literature class juxtaposed with Greek myth - it was heavenly, if you‘ll pardon the pun), but it‘s hard even to approach it as a secular read by an atheist. 2y

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GingerAntics @ravenlee that actually sounds like a really fun class. It‘s such a sacred book to so much of our nation‘s history and population that it would definitely be hard. I‘m just not sure if it‘s doable to approach the Bible as just a piece of literature. 2y

Graywacke I read the Bible as literature. I‘m atheist and see it as fully human and found it brilliant in its own way. It‘s also awful. But what was valuable for me was that literary takes on the religious texts allow you to respect the text without worrying about where you stand religiously. Religious and non-religious people can discuss these aspects together without the usual tensions. 2y

GingerAntics @Graywacke hm, I hadn‘t thought about it from that perspective. I think some religious people would be open to these discussions. Others would probably use it as an opportunity to convert people. ðŸ™„ 2y

Graywacke @GingerAntics Right. Completely agree. You can‘t discuss with someone who doesn‘t want to discuss. Requires openness. ðŸ™‚ 2y

GingerAntics @Graywacke there seems to be a lot less openness these days, too. 2y

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TheBookHippie No. To say so is to say the life or person or time was meaningless or worthless. 2y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie THANK YOU!!! I just don‘t get this callousness toward life and death, and let‘s face it, a total abandonment of love. How can you genuinely love someone if you refuse to grieve them and don‘t even want to because it‘s god‘s way, they‘re in a better place, and you‘ll see them again some day? Ugh 2y

ravenlee Grief and suffering are the admission price for the love and affection we feel for others. Without the downside there‘s no way to really appreciate the time we have with our loved ones. Anyone who doesn‘t mourn the loss doesn‘t truly feel. 2y

GingerAntics @ravenlee exactly!!! 2y

Branwen @GingerAntics @ravenlee ravenlee I love this sentiment! So true! ðŸ’• 2y

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