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Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Estes

In previous chapters we read about learning to trust ourselves, then this sentence appears! It is a terrifying perspective for those of us who have lived with domestic violence- but in a specific context it is most likely a vital truth. The context of fear, trust and safety- and how do we ever find it after the death of that experience? That is when we have to discern between fear because of danger vs fear because of trauma. Thoughts?

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Chrissyreadit In a slightly different context- have you ever been afraid of what being in a relationship would mean for you? 3w

Chrissyreadit Relationships become tricky for many reasons- but do mean that there is a joining by nature- that can make one stronger and safer- Has it ever been scary to transition in and/or out of relationships? 3w

Chrissyreadit I can honestly say that I have probably avoided some men I should have dated and dated some men I should have avoided… Now i am focusing on my relationship with myself. 3w

GingerAntics I was troubled by this. It felt like a complete 180. 3w

BookwormAHN I get the idea behind this statement but it just seems wrong. Relationships can be tricky but when something deep down tells you to run you run. And Chrissy good for you 💗 3w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

Sorry- I am definitely a week or so behind.
I do believe names are important- and are why people have nicknames, change their name, use a married name or keep their name from birth. I personally love hearing how people came by their names too. I think names may speak about who we are- there are people who shorten their name and people who use completed names- go by formal address or first names. It all helps us start the conversation.

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Chrissyreadit It is also telling when people purposely use the wrong name or title. 4w

TheBookHippie @Chrissyreadit it‘s abusive when they refuse to use your name. 4w

TheBookHippie So what schedule should we use? It‘s chapter 5 for this current week yes? 4w

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Chrissyreadit @TheBookHippie yes i will work on questions for next week for chapter 5 4w

TheBookHippie @Chrissyreadit perfect! 4w

TheBookHippie Names have power. Especially for women. And the Ms Miss Mrs thing is a tool of the patriarchy. 4w

BookwormAHN @TheBookHippie I so agree. Also is it just me or is it weird when you get switched from a Miss to Ma'am by the people working at Walmart? 4w

dabbe I am soooooo behind! 😩 4w

ravenlee One of the things about my husband‘s family (him included) that has baffled me for 20 years is that they‘re weird about names. Hub‘s sister is rarely called by her name, just her first initial (which is mine, too, and confused me at first). The cat my MIL had when I met hubby, the cat who loved him and despised me, was never called by her name (Ivy), but was any number of insulting nicknames, including “GrayFat.” 👇🏻 4w

ravenlee Everything and everybody has some weird pseudonym, and it has taken me years to sort out who they‘re talking about. I still don‘t get some of them. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 4w

kspenmoll I am behind reading. What chapter are we on? Apologies everyone! Been in a reading slump. Oops just saw this week is ch.4 Despite not having read this ch. I do believe names have power. I was named for my paternal grandmother & I feel a kinship with her & her life story despite the fact she was dead before I was born. There are so many instances of names & the power they hold. (edited) 4w

TheBookHippie @BookwormAHN it‘s an insult! 4w

nanuska_153 I'm really behind with my reading for work reasons, but I do think names hold power and identity, that's why in concentration camps they switched their names for numbers. It's so alien to me also that some women change their surnames when married, it's not a thing in Spain so when I moved to Ireland it really shocked me.I read it is inherited from a time when women didn't have capacity so they went from being under the guardianship of the father⬇️ 3w

nanuska_153 to the husband. My surname is Armenian, my grandparents escaped during the genocide, so I can't imagine giving it up and erasing them and that part of me from history. It's part of who I am and where I came from, why would I change it for my husband's history? 3w

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GingerAntics

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

This sounds like what it feels like to have ADHD… but for everything. I wonder if that means ADHD people are never having deep spirituality or something. lol
#ClarissaPinkolaEstes #WomenWhoRunWithTheWolves @Chrissyreadit @CaroPi, @Cuilin, @TheBookHippie, @Deblovestoread, @zezeki, @BookwormAHN, @PathfinderNicole, @ravenlee, @dabbe, @ElizaMarie, @ImperfectCJ, @nanuska_153, @nosufoxes, @lil1inblue

Bookwomble ADHD can come in the flavour of intense focus that's hard to disengage from, so perhaps us ADHDers can enter altered states of consciousness more easily in certain circumstances 🤔 1mo

Cuilin @GingerAntics @Bookwomble I can certainly get into zen “flow” as an ADHDer. I just can‘t predict or schedule when it will happen. 1mo

Bookwomble @Cuilin Yep! 😏 1mo

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Deblovestoread As a mother who raised an ADHD son I can verify that if the activity was something he liked he could would be all in if the timing was right. Put a fishing pole in his hands it was the most zen thing I ever saw. 1mo

GingerAntics @Bookwomble @Cuilin @Deblovestoread I had forgotten the flow state we can slip into so well… good point. 1mo

Bookwomble @GingerAntics 😊🫂 1mo

dabbe @Bookwomble I see this emoji a lot, but I can't make out what it is with my old eyes. What is this? 🫂 1mo

Bookwomble @dabbe Two people hugging in a non-sexual, consensual and supportive fashion 😊 1mo

dabbe @Bookwomble I LOVE it! What's it called so I can find it? I've tried looking under “heart“, but it doesn't come up. 1mo

Bookwomble @dabbe Search emojis for "hug" ?? 1mo

dabbe @Bookwomble Yay! Thank you! 🫂 1mo

Chrissyreadit One of my favorite books on ADHD is ADHD 2.0 I know that there were so many things i could not understand about myself until the past few years and that book has been a great tool. Also Breathework. On a more personal thought- The co morbidity of ADHD and CPTSD would be someone who is always alert but unable to sink in for fear of losing alertness of environment. I think when we feel safe and interested magic can happen. 1mo

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit I wasn‘t aware of the comorbidity between ADHD and CPTSD… but that makes SO much sense to me. I‘ll have to go look this up. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @GingerAntics It‘s not that there is common comorbidity- it‘s the when there is co morbidity- yes look up!!! I could have a huge convo about ADHD- that i considere a superpower- until i became sick AND developed PTSD- everything became challenging…. 1mo

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit oh, I‘ve had PTSD since my childhood. I just never thought of them together. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @GingerAntics - that‘s why i was thinking you are not experiencing just ADHD- you have neurodivergence and trauma. It‘s a lot to look at- but most of all your body and brain is in a survival loop- and trauma can keep you emotionally responding in a way that made sense when you were actively living in trauma…. just stuff to explore- and i think you will find it good to explore and find strategies that make sense for you ❤️ 1mo

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit girl, you are speaking my language… though I may still be actively living in trauma. We‘ll see how much of a home health nurse I am come Tuesday. Sigh 1mo

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

I think about how we all have our own perspectives and often struggle to see a big picture or accept other perspectives as valid. I would love to be able to feel grounded more often with clearer understanding of situations.

AmyG Same, probably, for all of us. Just takes more work, more awareness and being present. And listening fully to others. (edited) 1mo

TheBookHippie I think we all struggle to think it‘s valid -so I switched to this is valid for them. Unless hateful- I don‘t generally care… I think it‘s very important to not dismiss lived experience- especially from someone marginalised. 1mo

TheBookHippie I generally feel grounded. Especially in chaos -so I‘m doing fairly better than most in this current regime. Also being in social justice a long time helps. Peace within with chaos outside is the way to live. 1mo

Cuilin I really embrace other people‘s opinions, I think having children who are very much of their generation has led me to explore and grow. I love learning I love hearing what other people have to say. For example, I am not a Taylor Swift fan, but I‘ve enjoyed watching people break down the new album and the lyrics both those who hated it and those who love it I find it fascinating. (edited) 1mo

ravenlee I like the idea that the fiery skull shows what is behind the persona. It burns away the façade and allows us to see who someone truly is. I‘d like to think sometimes it‘s for the better, but generally not. 1mo

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

We often have “a feeling” but do not know how to respond. Have you ever questioned your intuition? I know that my intuition is often right but sometimes i ignore it because it is “inconvenient “.

AmyG I have been working on listening to my intuition more. How many times, in hindsight, have I realized I should have been listening to myself. But sometimes intuition is a fleeting thought proven correct all along. For me, it‘s trying to be aware of those. 1mo

TheBookHippie Anytime I have not trusted my intuition or put it aside to avoid conflict- I have paid dearly. I don‘t do that anymore. Using No. As a complete sentence has helped me immensely. 1mo

Cuilin @TheBookHippie Yes no is a complete sentence. Definitely works. I also like to use the pause. I literally say nothing but just keep looking, slightly quizzical. It makes people very uncomfortable, and they start filling in the gap themselves. Yeah, always go with your intuition. 1mo

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TheBookHippie @Cuilin oh I‘m going to use that. Thank you. ♥️ 1mo

Kerrbearlib @TheBookHippie same! 1mo

Kerrbearlib I didn‘t used to listen to my intuition because I was taught not to trust it. I‘ve since realized society brainwashes people, especially women, to not trust our intuition. I think this quote from Controlling People sums it up perfectly: “many people have learned to distrust their own intuition and everyone else's, too. It was not so long ago that those who listened to their intuition were called witches and warlocks.” I trust my intuition now.

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ravenlee I feel like this could have a whole separate discussion about menopause/pre-menopause. As a “woman of a certain age,” there‘s a lot of question as to whether any of this is physical or mental/emotional. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @Kerrbearlib Yes!!! 1mo

Chrissyreadit @ravenlee We can‘t win either- because everything is our fault. I was gaslit for almost a decade and it was perimenopause and menopause- combined with EDS it‘s all excruciating- 1mo

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

This is something that lives in my thoughts all the time… We are being fear mongered about immigrants.. vaccines… books…and because our brains are hard wired to seek safety it is easy for some people to give in to the fear mongering. In the end Baba Yaga was the provider of safety….

AmyG With all the fear mongering in our news, I have had moments of “fearful doubt”? I recently got vaccines and for a hot minute I felt fear. But I was able to tell myself, listen to myself, that this is science and nothing to fear. 1mo

AmyG I also want to add….if someone I don‘t fully trust is trying to help me…well, that makes it more difficult to accept the help. 1mo

TheBookHippie I was raised to question everything never take anything at face value. Especially the news, especially those in power. 1mo

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TheBookHippie So fear of reaction to a vaccine or drug -yes -but only because I do have multiple medication allergies. It‘s a leap of faith for new things that they‘ll do more good than harm. Otherwise not that I can think of. 1mo

Cuilin As an immigrant myself living in America, yeah I‘ve been full of fear a lot lately. It‘s definitely affecting my health. A few years ago, I was in a coffee shop and somebody said something to me about not being American and then ended it with, but you‘re the right type of immigrant so you‘re OK. Like WTF? They really thought that last line made things better. 1mo

ravenlee There‘s so much fear of the unknown, fear of the different. It‘s particularly bad now, but it‘s not a recent phenomenon. People in general are afraid of what they do not understand. Sometimes that fear is protective, but it almost cuts off our realm of experience if we never push past it. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @AmyG I do think as women it is much harder to trust the medical profession. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @TheBookHippie knowing what we know of history it‘s a wonder we can trust anything at all…. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @Cuilin I did not realize you are an immigrant! That definitely gives you a different perspective about so much of what is happening now. And Rascim is ugly- and Rascists are currently emboldened…. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @Cuilin What are some ways you are caring for yourself? 1mo

Chrissyreadit @ravenlee Yes- but also i feel like fear is being groomed and weaponized- and courage is not part of the equation. Especially for fox news watchers. 1mo

Cuilin @Chrissyreadit Thanks for asking. I‘ve had some health issues which has kept me home quite a bit for the last two years and I‘m sure all of that is exacerbating my fear. I‘m doing better, getting daily exercise, eating right, etc 1mo

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

I have always felt a bit of connection to Baba Yaga. When my daughter was little she would ask me which disney princess i was and i always told her i was Baba Yaga. I believed deeply in the wisdom of the crone and fear mongering of witches….

TheBookHippie In my personal post I wrote of how I grew up with this story. I have always loved her. 1mo

Cuilin All I knew honestly was from children‘s books like Tomie DePaola. I enjoyed these stories though. 1mo

lil1inblue I've got to play catch-up! I don't want to say I got stuck on Chapter 2, but I needed to take it in small bits because it got heavy. I'm hoping to get to Chapter 3 this weekend! I do remember hearing about Baba Yaga from my 4th grade teacher, Mrs. Abrams (she was THE BEST), but I don't remember a lot of details. 1mo

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GingerAntics I had never heard of her before this… at least not by the name. 1mo

dabbe I'm with @lil1inblue. Chapter 2 was a LOT to digest. Never heard of Baba Yaga either ... can't wait to read about her! 🧡 1mo

ravenlee I didn‘t grow up with Baba Yaga exactly, but I encountered the stories sometime in my adolescence. Now I‘m starting to think about elements of the BY/Vasilisa stories in books I‘ve read. For instance, Ilona Andrews incorporates Vasilisa into the Kate Daniels world (specifically the Roman novella Sanctuary), Patricia Briggs‘ Mercy Thompson series features a Baba Yaga who is involved in MLM sales… 1mo

ravenlee …and I‘m starting to wonder if the heroine of Katherine Arden‘s Small Spaces is a Vasilisa. Well, I had an amazing literature mentor who leaned heavily into Jung/Campbell/Frye archetypes and I‘ve been conditioned to find archetypes in literature! 😆 1mo

Chrissyreadit @lil1inblue @dabbe take your time- Chapters are a lot. There is always time to jump in where you are ❤️ 1mo

Chrissyreadit @ravenlee I love that!! And i bet those archetypes appear in places we have not yet realized too! 1mo

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

Do you recognize parts of yourself that can feel toxic but are actually also healthy and necessary?

GingerAntics My anger and my drive. Both can be toxic if I don‘t find a proper outlet for them, but when I do find a proper outlet, amazing things can happen. 2mo

TheBookHippie My sheer will. Tenacity. I am not swayed. Immovable. No tact. And with @GingerAntics anger …my RAGE is misinterpreted constantly. Interestingly enough my love and loyalty are seen as threats. Allll could be toxic or viewed incorrectly. Everyday I wake up I chose -do I use all of this for good. 😶 2mo

AmyG Absolutely. I tend to give people alot of “rope to hang themselves with”. Once I reach my limit with someone because of how they treat me or others….I am done. No more chances. I am quite rigid in that respect. 2mo

ElizaMarie My compartmentalizm. I work as a psychiatric/mental health nurse. I engage with a challenging population and am not well-treated by most of my patients. I am able to remove myself from the nasty insults getting slung at me, do what needs to be done in the moment, and maintain my peace (which can be difficult). It turns into a problem when I do this way too much and build too strong walls. (But thats what therapy is for 🤍) 2mo

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

This chapter was intense! Was there a quote or thought you want to discuss? Please post and share!
Have you ever considered what archetypes you embody? Both the light and shadow side?

GingerAntics Which chapter was this? I feel like I‘m lost. Sorry. My brain has not been working properly lately. I‘m hoping it fully engages again next week. 2mo

Chrissyreadit @GingerAntics it‘s chapter 2 2mo

GingerAntics OH I‘VE READ THAT CHAPTER!!! I feel so accomplished. Thank you! 2mo

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Deblovestoread I really feel this quote. I feel like I have compartmentalized each section of my life based on that times trauma. My child self is one being raised by an angry mother whose words and hands struck out, my teenage rebel self who made horrible choices and so on. They each informed the next but also each lives in their little pocket if that makes sense. 2mo

Deblovestoread So this quote really resonated with me “….or those with injured instincts still, like flowers, turn in the direction of whatever sun is offered.” 2mo

TheBookHippie Mostly the creative and freedom things struck me. 🙃 2mo

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