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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

A good description of philosophy, if a bit counterintuitive.
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GingerAntics I feel like that‘s a bit reductionist. That is certainly SOME philosophy. To say it is largely like that is an over generalisation at the least. 3d

ravenlee @GingerAntics it is reductionist, but I feel like it‘s reductionist in a way to simplify for accessibility. As opposed to depicting philosophy as a bunch of loners engaged in never-ending navel-gazing while the world spins out of control beyond the ivory tower. It makes it feel, to me, like philosophy is something everybody can and does do. 3d

GingerAntics @ravenlee that‘s fair 3d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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Scuba Diving Philosophy. Thoughts so far?
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kspenmoll I had to read slowly & felt I could note the whole chapter but I broke it down to a few thoughts that spoke to me. What the author writes of & his ocean world is totally new to me. 5d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll yeah, I was actually worried at first it wasn‘t philosophy, but he brought it around beautifully. I think this book is going to be an awesome adventure. I like the linking of the ocean world and ours. 5d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I even ended up looking up octopus eyes. lol 5d

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AlaSkaat My questions from last week were answered, haha 5d

AlaSkaat I forgot how much I liked biology, especially when it‘s in this form! I think I will enjoy this one. I can‘t say I know much about it though, but basically the octopus is a fluke? lol. Went down the wrong line maybe 5d

AlaSkaat An intelligent alien. - I‘m still confused. Does he mean the octopus can experience things as we can? Dolphins and such are very smart… but do they have consciousness? Can they ‘observe‘ the world? 🤷‍♀️ 5d

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat the dolphin brain comes from the same place our brain does, evolutionarily. The octopus brain evolved from a different line. So its brain is fundamentally unique from all other intelligent brains on earth. That‘s what I got from the intelligent alien comment. 5d

AlaSkaat Aa that makes sense. Looking forward to reading more about that 5d

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat it is a truly unique perspective to think about… consciousness through octopi. 5d

ravenlee @AlaSkaat Dolphins have passed the mirror test, a standard test for self-awareness, and demonstrate long-term learning strategies. Without being able to communicate with them about their intellectual lives, that might be as close as we can get to saying they have consciousness. 3d

ravenlee @GingerAntics I like that the author is using philosophy to make the science more accessible, and the science to make the philosophy more accessible. Tying together two intimidating specialties in a way that both become less off-putting. 3d

GingerAntics @ravenlee the dolphins taking the mirror test is also beyond adorable! 100% agree about the accessibility point. He‘s really brought in a sense of wonder for all of it. It‘s wonderful! It‘s fun to read. 3d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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Let‘s call this discussion 0.5, because I‘m not sure what we can discuss from the page/page and a half that was the (edit) epigraph. If you haven‘t started yet, you are not even close to behind yet. lol It‘s literally two quotes. No worries.
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kspenmoll My library edition, 2016 has no epilogue, just a half page of 2 quotes. Is that what you mean or is there a newer edition? (edited) 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I have the 2016 digital edition. It starts with a quote from William James and then has one from Roland Dixon. It‘s an epigraph, not an epilogue. I missed that before. 2w

AlaSkaat I‘m not sure if I‘m still hangover from the wedding I attended on Saturday, but I do not understand that first quote at all! lol. 2w

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GingerAntics @AlaSkaat it‘s a complicated sort of strolling quote. I‘m not sure I understand it either. I have a feeling the book itself will give us more information, and possibly explain it indirectly. I don‘t think it‘s all that important. 2w

ravenlee @AlaSkaat I think (part of) what James is saying is that it‘s lazy scholarship/philosophy/science to say “wow, this ability/adaptation just appeared out of nowhere! That‘s so weird!” It‘s our responsibility to look from different angles to find the precursor(s) to less-obvious phenomena. 3d

GingerAntics @ravenlee very valid point! 3d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

I meant to post this earlier in the week, but our first “discussion” for this is tomorrow. We are just reading the epigraph, so if you don‘t have your copy yet, it‘s nothing to worry about.
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TheBookHippie Just got my library hold!! 2w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie perfect timing! 2w

DrSabrinaMoldenReads It‘s on Kindle Unlimited if anyone else has that 5d

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TheBookHippie In a flare currently which is annoying. Hoping to get to this tomorrow! 3d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh no! I hope you feel better soon. 3d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics just very achy and tired and annoyed.. big storm hitting today so I imagine the barometric pressure did me in 3d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie another one? I swear, every week we‘re getting blasted again. 3d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

The first day is 3 weeks, but 4 Sundays away. The epigraph looks like it‘s about 2 pages, so that shouldn‘t be too bad if someone can‘t get this book until the following week.

2 Feb - Epigraph
9 Feb - Meetings Across the Tree of Life
16 Feb - A History of Animals
23 Feb - Mischief and Craft
2 Mar - From White Noise to Consciousness
9 Mar - Making Colors
16 Mar - Our Minds and Others
23 Mar - Experience Compressed
30 Mar - Octopolis

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TheBookHippie Looks good! 1mo

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie how did you see that so fast?! 1mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics just logged in 🤣 I just put it on hold hopefully it arrives soon. 1mo

kspenmoll I will check this book out-see if library has it. 1mo

ravenlee Ok, I‘ll give this a try. I was getting all confused because Litsy wasn‘t showing it as read but I thought I had…I did read this about five years ago. I liked it but don‘t remember it and still have it, so I guess it‘s time. 1mo

AlaSkaat Looks good. I‘ll try getting the book by end of this month 1mo

kspenmoll I just got my library hold in so i am set! 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll so did @TheBookHippie! Both of your libraries have brilliant timing! I love that they both came in at the same time. 2w

DrSabrinaMoldenReads @GingerAntics I‘m in. Will there be discussions? I‘m never sure how this works. (edited) 5d

GingerAntics @DrSabrinaMoldenReads we started this week. I used to do questions, but we‘re trying a more open style this time. I post on Sunday sometime and we discuss what we want to discuss. 5d

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