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The Odyssey: A Dramatic Retelling of Homer's Epic | Simon Armitage

This looks crazy. https://youtu.be/FuOQXSyFcP0?si=7bYvn4M7xSYp24Id

TieDyeDude I've heard mixed reviews, but I just want to watch Goldblum chew up some scenery! 2mo

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

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The gods made me do it! 🙄
How is it I never remember that the Iliad does not end with the fall of Ilium (Troy), not even the fall of Achilles, but rather the funeral rites for Patroclus and that poor bastard Hector? Kind of a let down from a narrative perspective. The whole thing feels like it's building not just to a showdown between Achilles and Hector, but also to whether Troy will be spared or destroyed, and the book ends before you have 1/?

Robotswithpersonality 2/? an answer! If memory serves, I think the Odyssey covers the aftermath, but it's not a very satisfying reading experience to recognize you need to read another epic to compete the tale. You know how I feel about cliffhangers.
Also from an 'all Greek myth has gotten jumbled in my head perspective' it doesn't help that the beginning of the Iliad does not start with the reasons for this conflict, the story is very much in media res, 2mo

Robotswithpersonality 3/? the campaign has been going on for years, you find out why every one is mad and fighting as it goes along.
The text is fairly heavy handed in putting forth what were the societal values of the day: honouring your host, and they honouring your solemn requests in turn, not being lost to pride or rage, affording the proper honours to the gods and the dead. 2mo

Robotswithpersonality 4/? I'm sure the text has been mined many times for what it has to say about the culture, trade, every day customs of ancient times - with the proviso of anything with this many immortal participants can't be considered too factual. Do NOT get me started on how women (that includes goddesses) were represented and treated in the text. Talk about enforcing the values of the time. 😑 2mo

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Robotswithpersonality 5/? Speaking of the text, I can appreciate the plain language, how easy it was to comprehend, but maybe some of the poetry of this epic has been lost in this particular translation? Granted I don't have a professor to explain the more complex bits this time 'round, so for a public library edition it's probably for the best!
Regardless of translation, two things stood out to me: 2mo

Robotswithpersonality 6/? Metaphors/similes for battle are heavy on the power of nature, group of soldiers like wave, stampede, etc, also hunting scenes, either men hunting prey, or predatory animals hunting prey. It's one form of violence describing another at the end of the day, but it's a solid reminder for how brutal those times likely were, how brutal war always is. 2mo

Robotswithpersonality 7/? Another heavily repeated theme were stories of families, particularly a focus on lineage, frequent digressions in the text, to prove the honour of this or that soldier is to cite their history, to introduce a new player is to mention who they're related to.
Speaking of, I know it was a good strategy to have whole sections of text repeated if you're going to have to remember to perform this whole thing orally back in the day, 2mo

Robotswithpersonality 8/? but it feels kind of ridiculous reading a copy paste of two paragraphs ago all over again. I would be completely on board for a radical reduction of the text along the lines of 'and Isis delivered the message as Zeus had dictated' END OF SCENE.
You'd drop a good chunk off the word count without harming the narrative, I daresay improving the flow. Alas, Homer is hallowed ground these days, and I think most would pitch a fit at the idea of 2mo

Robotswithpersonality 9/9 edited reproduction. That's why retellings exist. 😉

⚠️Domestic abuse, slavery, ableism, animal death, gore, misogyny 2mo

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

New plan: Greek myth-sci-fi-fantasy fusion; can someone please write a story about the golden handmaids of Hephaestus?
I now have a mighty need for ancient Greek robot narratives! 💛🤖🏛️🏺

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

That's right, Zeus, nothing more seductive than telling your wife you suddenly find her sexier than all the women you cheated on her with, (a partial list). 😑🙄

dabbe One of my favorite parts! 😂 2mo

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

Ancient Greek smack talk. 🤌🏻

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

He saved the horsies. 🥹 Though I do question the primary argument of leaving them behind because he thought they'd be hungry, when driving chariots into battle would arguably have been the more dangerous part of being present in a war/siege zone. 🤔 🐴

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

Sibling rivalry is too mild a phrase for what the Olympians have going on.

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

Very blockbuster action movie hero depiction:
'He's injured, but don't forget, he's hot.' 🤕🔥

dabbe 😂😂😂 3mo

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ravenlee

The Iliad | Homer

I was so excited to get this #bookmail this week! I preordered it, but it shipped before the release date, so I was completely surprised. I need to find the time to focus on it, which is hard to do at the moment. But soon, yes…soon.

TheBookHippie Oh I want this too!!! Enjoy! 3mo

dabbe The Fagles' translation is my favorite, but I can't wait to read what you think about this one! I haven't read it yet! 🤩🤩🤩 3mo

ravenlee @dabbe I have a collection of Iliad and Odyssey editions (Odyssey is my favorite). I loved Wilson‘s Odyssey, so I‘ve been very eagerly awaiting her new work in paperback. Eventually I want to read all of my copies close together and compare them. 3mo

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dabbe @ravenlee What's your favorite ODYSSEY translation? 3mo

ravenlee @dabbe I used the Fitzgerald translation in undergrad, and it‘s my gold standard. He changed spellings to try to be more true to the original (Kirke instead of Circe), but it makes it confusing in places (like the Phaiakians). But the flow overall is really good. 3mo

dabbe @ravenlee I don't know how those spellings would work for me, but I might give him a try. Thanks for your knowledge! 🤗 3mo

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Robotswithpersonality

Iliad: (the Stephen Mitchell Translation) | Homer

That's because you're a DICK, Agamemnon. 🙄

CBee He is SUCH an ass 😳😳 4mo

Robotswithpersonality @CBee Everybody say: “Thank you, Clytemnestra.“ 🔪😏 4mo

dabbe @CBee Ass with a capital “A“ that starts his name! 😂 4mo

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CBee @Robotswithpersonality YES! Thank you, Clytemnestra 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂😂😂 4mo

CBee @dabbe Asshat Agamemnon 😂😂 4mo

dabbe @CBee #perfection Achilles kinda fits that description, too! 😂😂😂 4mo

CBee @dabbe oh my gosh he does 🤭🤭 4mo

Robotswithpersonality @dabbe TRUE. 4mo

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