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The Sea Runners | Ivan Doig
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Doig‘s language is rich and poetic and usually calming. But there‘s a lot of death in this slim novel, so while it occupied my mind, it didn‘t distract me enough on this fraught night. #bookspin @TheAromaofBooks

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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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Really liked this book about the relationship between two sisters and the bear that comes into their lives on an island off the coast of Washington. As the bear becomes the defining feature of their lives, truths and secrets come out and change their very existence. Very unlike anything I‘ve read and a real page turner at the end.

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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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Would not have read this except my irl book club picked it so here we are. I get why critics like it (this is exactly the type of book that shows up on the NYT bestsellers list) & it has some interesting things to say about sisterhood, our relationship to the environment/nature, the cost of living, caring for parents, dreams & reality, BUT I didn‘t like the characters (they don‘t grow) & the end is…not good.

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monalyisha
Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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“A third of their household had dropped away; so many of the tiny beloved disruptions that Sam had come to rely on…were absent.”

marleed I like be this pic! 4mo
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monalyisha
Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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I think Julia Phillips is a phenom. I loved Disappearing Earth and I loved Bear. I understand why others might feel differently. It‘s a difficult read. Two sisters, Sam & Elena, are beaten down by their circumstances: poverty, childhood abuse, and acting as caretaker for their terminally ill mother — but they‘ve always had each other. When a bear shows up on the Pacific Northwest island where they live…👇🏻

monalyisha 1/5: …(a fairytale setting for those who are privileged enough to afford the cost of living), their vastly different reactions reveal a chasm between them. Will they survive it? Philips‘ choice to limit the narrative to Sam‘s perspective is a clever and insidious one. It sways you to her side and makes her seem broken in ways that are perfectly understandable and sympathetic. 4mo
monalyisha 2/5: The problem is that her brokenness is deeper than that and her actions are not healthy. They come from a twisted place. The limited perspective obscures the fact that she‘s trapped her sister in a co-dependent and emotionally abusive relationship. 4mo
monalyisha 3/5: Readers have questioned why the sisters are so isolated, blaming it on their economic status and family responsibilities. This is true. However, their isolation is sustained because it‘s what Sam demands. Though she‘s not a wholly unsympathetic character, she‘s unreliable. She controls the narrative that we read and she desperately tries to control the narrative of their lives. 4mo
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monalyisha 4/5: She tells a story that casts Elena as the leader and herself as her sister‘s loyal subject. Meanwhile, she doesn‘t want Elena talking to anyone else. She reacts negatively to Elena‘s friendships, whether platonic or romantic. Her jealousy forces Elena to lie about the connections she manages to forge. When Elena‘s untruths are revealed, Sam gets to play the victim. In fairytales, the morality is clear-cut. Not so here. 4mo
monalyisha 5/5: This truth of the sisters‘ relationship darkens an already dark story. It follows the old adage “hurt people hurt people.” As Elena and the bear become increasingly inseparable, it leads the reader to reflect more deeply upon the epigraph. You have to wonder who holds the hazel-switch, and who is on the receiving end. 4mo
TheBookHippie One of the truest depictions of childhood trauma I‘ve read. Sam was stuck in Freeze … what a book. 4mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie I think Philips wrote with such seamless complexity. I felt for Sam, obviously. I was scared for her and I was also scared *of* her. 4mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie This particular quote was so chilling: “Elena had come back to Sam, to the bond they shared, because Sam demanded it of her. She would do it again now. Sorrow, money, and this goddamn creature had pulled Elena away, but Sam wasn‘t going to let her go any further. Elena confessed she loved other things, but in the end, she had to love her sister more.” (edited) 4mo
TheBookHippie @monalyisha Such a true depiction of a trauma bond. Those poor girls. 4mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie Very sad! I haven‘t even been able to read the book I‘m meant to for Book Club this month. I can‘t make myself read another upsetting book right after this one. I need time to recover! 4mo
TheBookHippie @monalyisha it was comforting to me. Seldom in books is trauma depicted accurately. My friend and I had such a good discussion of this book, as we are both survivors of severe childhood trauma, we saw so much in the words others probably missed. It is so well done. 4mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie I‘m both glad and sad for you (and I‘m sure you understand the ways in which I mean that). 4mo
SamAnne Wow. Waiting for my library hold to come 4mo
BarbaraBB Yes! I felt the same! 4mo
Clare-Dragonfly Wow, this reminds me of one of my favorite fairy tales (Snow-White and Rose-Red) and one of my favorite books (We Have Always Lived in the Castle), so I will have to read it. 4mo
monalyisha @Clare-Dragonfly There‘s an intentional parallel to Snow White & Rose Red! 🥀 4mo
BarbaraJean This is a FANTASTIC review. I felt the same about the tight focus on Sam's POV. Masterful. 4mo
Amiable I just picked this up from my library today and I‘m ready to dive in based on your review! 4mo
monalyisha @Amiable Good luck! 4mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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“When Sam and Elena were children their mother used to take them on temperate evenings to play by the fairgrounds. She sat at a picnic table while they occupied themselves on the swings. She wore sunglasses. She could‘ve been their big sister. If they asked, she‘d push them, her hands firm and flat against their backs. She made them more powerful every time she touched them.”

monalyisha 📸: me & my (young) mom. She‘s roughly 21 or 22 years-old in this photo. 4mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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August wrap up from StoryGraph, best one for me was Bear 🐻 (tagged).

Keeping up a good pace, I‘ve already met my reading goal for the year (oops). So I doubled it. Let‘s see if I can hit 52!

BarbaraBB Glad you loved Bear! 4mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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And our last question of #camplitsy24 for this year…. Let‘s talk about the ending of the book - what did you think?

Tomorrow we‘ll vote between Bear and The Alternatives and then Barbara will post shortly asking you for your #camplitsy24 favourite.

We hope you‘ve enjoyed August‘s books - thank you all for your valuable and insightful contributions! ❤️

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Bookwormjillk Thank you for hosting. I‘m sad camp is over but next summer will be here before we know it I‘m sure. I was dissatisfied with the ending. I wanted to know more about what happened with the mom and the boyfriend. I was happy Sam finally left even if it was without E. Bittersweet. 4mo
TrishB I expected that to happen to one of them, just wasn‘t sure which! I don‘t think Sam would have left on her own so needed the support of someone. A means to an end. Elena‘s boyfriend seemed like he wanted it to be a proper relationship- whether that would have survived the class divide 🤷‍♀️ 4mo
TrishB Thanks Helen, Barbara and Meg ❤️ another summer waving goodbye. 4mo
DGRachel The only thing that surprised me was Sam leaving with the guy from the ferry. I fully expected Elena to get eaten. How could she not, being so stupid around a wild animal. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I was glad Sam got out and I don‘t think she would have or emotionally could have with Elena alive. I don‘t think she was mentally strong enough. 4mo
DGRachel (I feel like I should have waited for @TrishB to post her comment as we were typing essentially the same thing at the same time. 😂) And yes, thank you all for a great summer camp. Almost all books I would never have picked up on my own and only one I just couldn‘t force myself through. I call that a personal success! 4mo
Kitta I agree with @TrishB and @DGRachel I don‘t think Sam would have left on her own. I thought the relationships with the two men were interesting, I think the sisters acted similarly. Both men seemed to want more from the sisters and Sam was dismissive, while Elena kept everything secret even from Sam. I expect their trauma prevented them from being able to be more invested, and Elena keeping the whole thing secret surprised me! They seemed detached. 4mo
Jess Thanks everyone for a fantastic summer! Even though I expected that someone would be attacked by the bear at some point during the book, I was surprised it was Elena and was surprised by the violence (her face?!). I really thought it was going to be Sam or the boyfriend and Elena was going to be confronted with actions. 4mo
Kitta Thanks to all our hosts! I really enjoyed Bear, and got out of my regular reading zone and tried things I wouldn‘t have otherwise! Even if I hated All Fours, we had a great discussion. I love camp, it‘s my favourite “book club” and really appreciate the work you guys put into it! See you all again next year!! 4mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Jess the violence was so abrupt!! I had to go back and reread the paragraphs because that just happened?? 4mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Helen Barbara and Meg!! Thanks so much for hosting, I absolutely love the Camp so many books I would not have read and great discussions to make me really think about them. 4mo
sarahbarnes Echoing the thanks to you all for hosting a fabulous summer! The ending was so sad, but then it felt so inevitable. Both Sam and Elena seemed like they were on their own paths toward self-destruction at the end. Sam‘s actions led to this tragedy, but would it have eventually happened anyway? And then Sam ends up getting what she wants - to leave - but it feels so meaningless. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs Like others, I was fully expecting things to go bad with the bear, but I thought it would be Sam who got mauled. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs I wasn't crazy about the second half of this book. I'm still trying to put my finger on exactly why. I am usually okay with bleak, dark endings, but the whole second half was just a black hole for me. Maybe because I didn't see any growth or even growth potential from Sam? Elena's role in things was fairly clear - don't feed bears, or they will eat you. But Sam doesn't seem to grow up at all. It felt very “life sucks and people die“ 4mo
GatheringBooks Like the others, I fully expected Elena‘s death, but intrigued by everyone else‘s notions about either Sam or the bf getting mauled as a result of her actions, that would have been an unexpected twist of sorts. Agree with @TheKidUpstairs that it was truly a bleak ending. But I appreciated the sense of harsh reality it surfaced; it felt authentic to me. I prefer to see the ending as hopeful though tinged with grief and loss. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs @DGRachel @TrishB I agree that Sam likely never would have left on her own, but I also didn't see any growth from her so I don't think she'll be able to find her own way. I think she'll push Ben away with the same stubborn “I don't need you“ attitude she's had all along, but then I see her failing on her own. Maybe it's because she reads so young to me, she seems like a teenager (which is understandable given her life thus far). I don't see hope. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs And a big thank you to you Helen, and to @BarbaraBB and @Megabooks for another great summer of #CampLitsy24 - I so appreciate all the work you guys put in. And to all the other campers - it's been such an enriching experience reading along side you all! 4mo
TheKidUpstairs @Jess I missed your comment when I posted mine - totally agree I thought it would be Sam who was attacked and then we'd get a last chapter from Elena's POV having to reckon with what she'd brought on. 4mo
DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs I completely agree about the odds of Sam continuing to be miserable. I think that lack of hope at the end is what made this so heavy and depressing for me. It‘s very much “life sucks, then your sister gets eaten by a bear, and then you die”. 4mo
TheBookHippie I figured if one got eaten by the bear it‘d be Elena. Sam actually knew to stay away from danger and avoided closeness as a protective measure whereas Elena was social and gave to everyone and took care of everyone. Her death freed Sam, and even freed herself. It‘s just not pretty or tidy. 4mo
TrishB @DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs I like to think that maybe she would have taken up some opportunities and spread her wings and lived life to the full 😁 doubt it, but you never know! 4mo
Ruthiella The end was shocking but not surprising once we have all the pieces put together. @TrishB @DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs Sam is definitely going to schlep her issues with her wherever she goes and now she‘s got the added trauma of losing her sister. I feel sorry for the boyfriend. Maybe she‘ll get help, but she isn‘t the kind to ask for it. 4mo
AmyG I had a gut feeling the bear would kill Elena. Elena always seemed to have her “shi*” together yet it was Sam, in this case, who was the wiser one. I love a good, crazy ending…so this was fun for me. 🤣 And….both girls “needed” men apparently…in spite of the experience with the stepfather. 4mo
squirrelbrain I too thought it might be Sam @TrishB @dgrachel @jess @thekidupstairs and Elena left to deal with the consequences. 4mo
AmyG And thank you organizers! What a great reading summer it‘s been. 4mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome @TrishB @jess @Kitta @ChaoticMissAdventures @sarahbarnes @TheKidUpstairs - it‘s the campers who truly make this such a fun, inspiring, insightful event for us! @BarbaraBB @megabooks 4mo
Megabooks Is it weird that I think they both found what they were looking for in a way? Sam found her ability to leave and strength, and Elena seems to have found a sense of wonder she lost in the day to day of caring for their mother. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, and I know Elena is attacked, and she maybe didn't realize the danger she was facing, but I come away with her feeling of wonder about nature and life. (con't) 4mo
Megabooks (con't) I'm sorry she had to die to find it, and I felt bad for the dude she left behind, but to feel the divine, the magical mysticism of the world -- whether in God or in nature if only for a bit -- would be amazing. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs @Megabooks that's a really interesting thought about the sisters getting what they were looking for. It definitely plays into the fairy tale aspect - wishes fulfilled, but with far more dire consequences than the wisher is expecting. 4mo
Megabooks @TheKidUpstairs Agreed. If it's a fairy tale. It's definitely a dark one. 4mo
BarbaraBB Again I agree with @TheKidUpstairs that I doubt Sam will be able to find her way, as stubborn as she is. Also yes to @sarahbarnes, they are both so self-destructive. Bittersweet as @Bookwormjillk describes it. That says it all and I am a sucker for bittersweet endings 😀 (edited) 4mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks wow, that‘s a great take on the ending and maybe exactly what Julia Phillips meant. I felt sorry for the boyfriend but then again, we never noticed any form of attraction between them, maybe exactly why the book was only from Sam‘s pov. Food for thought! (edited) 4mo
Meshell1313 I was not shocked. The whole time I could see that someone was going to die- you can‘t think a wild bear is a friend! Still a very pessimistic ending about there being no hope and no way out of suffering. 4mo
Meshell1313 Can‘t believe camp is over! Thanks so much! I can‘t wait to see what the overall pick of the summer is! 4mo
Deblovestoread I knew it would end badly but didn‘t guess who. I want to believe that Sam left, matured and had a good life but starting out in a relationship you aren‘t invested in doesn‘t usually lead to that. If it had been Sam who died I don‘t think Elena would have allowed herself to have a good life either. Sorry to see the end of camp! Thank you for a great summer of books! @squirrelbrain @Megabooks @BarbaraBB 4mo
TheKidUpstairs @TrishB I like your optimism! 😂 I can see her getting there eventually, but I think she's got a long road to face. 4mo
DebinHawaii I wasn‘t sure who was going to suffer the most from the bear of the two but I suspected Elena given the book‘s POV from Sam. Still, the way that it ended with the bear killing her & going for her face was shocking. I was driving home from the airport last night listening to it & then had to listen again when I got home to make sure I heard it correctly. I don‘t hold out much home for a HE for Sam, like others (unless it‘s in her head but it) ⬇️ 4mo
GatheringBooks Thank you for the seamless organization of the discussions, and just organizing everything so wonderfully. What a great camp, indeed! 4mo
DebinHawaii … would be nice. Her immaturity & Ben really just being a means to an end of getting out to her, make me feel a little sorry (just a bit) for him. I liked this book, the setting & story kept me involved & while the ending was bleak, it fit. Thank you @squirrelbrain @Megabooks & @BarbaraBB for my 2nd wonderful Camp Litsy experience & everyone for the thought-provoking discussions. I love how it pushes me to read books I might not & think harder.🤗 (edited) 4mo
squirrelbrain I can‘t wait either! @Meshell1313 - we‘ve read 6 great books! 4mo
squirrelbrain @DebinHawaii - it was certainly shocking that it was so explicitly violent. 😮 4mo
CarolynM I don‘t think I can add anything to what‘s already been said. Thanks Helen, Meg and Barbara for all your efforts with this year‘s camp 👏👏👏 4mo
Hooked_on_books I‘m with @GatheringBooks on this one. I was just waiting for Elena to get mauled by the bear from the moment I first saw her reaction to it. And the ending felt authentic and right. I found hope in it, not just darkness. Thanks for being our counselor this month, Helen! (edited) 4mo
CBee @Megabooks your comment isn‘t weird. I think it‘s what Elena wanted. Not that she necessarily wanted to die, but that she wanted this extreme escape from her day to day life. When Sam is imagining the bear as a prince and Elena as a princess, that resonated with me. And I do think it was a means to an end, for both of them. 4mo
Megabooks @CBee thank you for picking up what I was putting down. 💜 it‘s a really interesting story and way of telling it. Not what I expected after reading disappearing earth, but I appreciate it a lot more after this discussion. 4mo
JamieArc I wanted to give Sam a hug and send her right to therapy. I was so sad that the very thing she feared happened because of her. I was surprised at the mauling. My thought was that one of them would die by a gun. 4mo
CBee @Megabooks absolutely nothing like Disappearing Earth, except they‘re both so well written and powerful. 4mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I wondered about the gun too @JamieArc - I thought someone would shoot at the bear, and someone else would get in the way. 🤷‍♀️ 4mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome @CarolynM @Hooked_on_books -it‘s been such fun! 4mo
Chelsea.Poole Sorry I missed camp yesterday—caught up now, such interesting comments! @Megabooks your take on the sisters getting what they wanted in the end was a new way to think about the book for me. Great thought! Thanks to the hosts for another great year at camp! 🏕️ 📚 4mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome! @Chelsea.Poole 4mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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This part of the discussion is all about the 🐻.

We looked at fairy tale elements last week, but do you think that the bear is ‘just‘ a bear or is it an allegory for something else or a particular message to the reader?

Do you think the events surrounding the bear would have actually played out like this in real life? (note that we'll discuss that ending in Q3)

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Bookwormjillk I thought he was an allegory for the mom‘s bad boyfriend but the ending changed my mind. I was actually surprised when the bear turned out to be a bear. I thought it would end up being another abuser who the authorities weren‘t handling in a way that seemed appropriate to Sam. 4mo
TrishB I saw it as Elena‘s bit of freedom! One thing she was keeping totally to herself as a break from everything else. She obviously wasn‘t thinking straight ofc! But she had a lot on her shoulders. 4mo
DGRachel I‘m sure it was supposed to be a symbol for something, but I‘m not sure what. It shows how different the sisters view their world. For Elena, it was hope and magic, another positive experience that kept her anchored on their island. For Sam, it‘s one more reason to leave, one more reason to fear and hate the island. 4mo
Kitta I did some looking into bear symbolism and in indigenous cultures it can represent family or parenthood, strength, and courage. And they‘re known for human-like qualities. https://spiritsofthewestcoast.com/collections/the-bear-symbol https://artinas.com/collections/bear/charles-harper Which is interesting to think their encounters happen while their mother is dying. In other cultures it represents a connection to another realm. ⬇️ 4mo
Kitta Which makes this seem more fairytale-like (to me at least). So I think Elena interacting with the bear sort of represents her looking for care and connection. It‘s a magical experience for her and she doesn‘t recognize the danger because she‘s longing for something she‘s no longer getting at home. 4mo
Jess Elena‘s life has been hard (past abuse, current responsibilities). I saw the bear and her flirtation with death as making her feel alive. 4mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Bookwormjillk oh I love the idea of it represented an abuser they were not getting help with. (Not love, b/c that would be awful for them but great storytelling) This never crossed my mind. 4mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I live a few hours drive away from where this was set and I didn't realize until last year that we had bears here. You do not hear about them but my brother is an avid hunter (we are sooo different, I could never) and he got a bear hunting tag last year and I was flabbergasted which maybe set me up to believe in a bear on Shaw. 4mo
Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures I feel like there are so many different animals everywhere now than when I was a kid. There just aren't as many wooded areas so then end up in the suburbs. I live just outside of DC and we've had bears one town over, and I think there was even one in DC itself not too long ago! 4mo
sarahbarnes I love all of these thoughts. It also felt like the bear represented something about the difference in the sisters. Elena accepted her fate and her place on the island and the bear was an element of magic for her in that. Sam feared anything or anyone coming in between her and Elena or their “plans” to leave and the bear represented something else she had to do away with. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs I appreciated the mentions of Grizzly Man, because yes I think IRL it would have played out like this. Elena may have felt a magical connection to the bear, but the bear felt like it had found a food source.
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TheKidUpstairs I do think there was some symbolism/metaphor playing out there. Something about not romanticizing a dangerous reality or it will come back and bite you in the face. Both sisters were guilty of that - Elena with the bear, Sam with her stubborn and juvenile ideas of their future. 4mo
GatheringBooks @Jess i love the phrase “flirtation with death” because that is precisely what it was, i felt. I also liked @TheKidUpstairs thoughts about Sam‘s “juvenile ideas of their future” which was also spot on. Perhaps the bear is an escape from life‘s drudgery and routine, but there is nothing romantic about “a dangerous reality” - unless it was an unwitting deathwish of sorts. 4mo
TheBookHippie @Jess Yes this. I think the bear made Elena feel. Both girls were suffering from childhood trauma and dealing differently. Elena felt emotion that was strong and just hers and was drawn like a moth to the flame. It‘s also of note most childhood trauma I have dealt with, myself included are hugely drawn to dark fairytales because it‘s closest to their lived reality. 4mo
squirrelbrain Yes, that didn‘t cross my mind either @Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures - great idea! 4mo
squirrelbrain That‘s fascinating @Kitta and really makes me look at the books in a different light - I guess I‘m a bit too literal! (edited) 4mo
AmyG Yes to what @sarahbarnes said. With the appearance of the bear we saw the difference between the sisters. In Sam‘s mind they had a definitive plan to “freedom”. As in life, things don‘t always work out as planned. Here comes a bear which, in the end, resulted in Sam leaving the island…..her dream realized. (edited) 4mo
squirrelbrain So many wonderful thoughts and ideas here of different allegories / metaphors / (dark) fairy tales - this is why I love #camplitsy so much - it‘s the accumulation of ideas from thoughtful campers that really makes this event so meaningful. @TrishB @Bookwormjillk @DGRachel @Kitta @jess @ChaoticMissAdventures @sarahbarnes @TheKidUpstairs @GatheringBooks @TheBookHippie 4mo
squirrelbrain @TheKidUpstairs @GatheringBooks - I guess Sam had never known any different, growing up so isolated as the younger sister and that‘s why she came across as juvenile. Maybe she was somehow like the bear, grumpy and lashing out and Elena‘s downfall was caring too strongly for her / the bear? 4mo
squirrelbrain @sarahbarnes @amyg - that kind of relates to my comment just prior to this. Sam needed to get rid of the bear in order to move on, but in doing so she unwittingly lost her sister too. So the bear comes between the sisters and is a catalyst in moving Sam on, but not in the way she expected or hoped for. (edited) 4mo
Megabooks @Kitta I love these points and your research! She was desperately seeking connection spiritually and on the island. I think knowing she would likely never live elsewhere she still wanted to connect with something greater. I think losing her mom also opened up new spiritual possibilities for her. 4mo
BarbaraBB Yes @jess that‘s what I thought too. The bear made Elena feel alive, gave her an opportunity to escape her harsh reality, flirting with death because why not? Nothing much to loose after the mother died and with her Elena‘s relevance (she didn‘t seem to care much for Sam, didn‘t tell her a thing about what went on in her mind). 4mo
Deblovestoread For Elena the bear broke up the drudge of the life she was living. Her fairytale was the magic of the relationship she was forming with the bear. Sam‘s fairytale was the big $ after selling the home and living the high life in a fancy hotel. Neither fairytale had a hope of coming true. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs @Deblovestoread yes! Sam's ideas of what they would do with the money really brought home how out of touch her plan was. It wasn't just sell the house to have some money to start out on the mainland, it was sell the house and live like royalty! As much as 500K is, it's not enough to live the life of luxury she was imagining. It really drove home how naive she was. 4mo
squirrelbrain Yes of course @Deblovestoread @TheKidUpstairs - I hadn‘t considered Sam‘s unreasonable expectations. I‘m now recalling the scene at the medical centre where she didn‘t have a clue about the bills for her mother‘s care. 4mo
CarolynM @Bookwormjillk I also thought the bear was going to turn out to be an abuser rather than a literal bear. Like @DGRachel I‘m not sure what it is intended to symbolise - maybe something to do with authority? Madeleine, and her relationship with Sam, seemed quite an odd to me and I wondered if it was supposed to be some kind of flip side to Elena‘s relationship with the bear. 4mo
Hooked_on_books When I read it, the bear was just a bear to me. But I can see how all these various takes about the bear‘s representations work as well. And as far as it playing out this way in reality, absolutely. From the word go when we saw Elena‘s response to the bear, I knew she was toast. 4mo
CBee The bear was Elena‘s escape. At first I thought it was a silly passing fancy, but then realized she really is starting to love this bear. And that wasn‘t strange to me at all, I suppose because I relate to Elena in a lot of ways I think? This grand animal looks at you and seems to fixate on you, and that just made her feel special. Important in a way she hadn‘t felt in a long time. Free. 4mo
JamieArc I agrée about the bear being Elena‘s escape. And in the end, I saw the bear as representing the ways we romanticize nature. But nature is as nature does. It made me think about the desert - it can be gorgeous, but it is to be respected, and is a dangerous place to be if not. 4mo
squirrelbrain I agree @CarolynM about Madeleine - that was where I was wondering if this was true to life. Would Madeleine really have behaved that way? I suppose we were seeing her behaviour from Sam‘s POV, but turning up at the memorial service was a bit weird. 4mo
squirrelbrain I agree @Hooked_on_books - so many interesting representations that could all work! 4mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I can see that @CBee - that the bear made her feel special / chosen. It makes me wonder about the boyfriend though - why didn‘t he make her feel that way?! I thought maybe because she was keeping the boyfriend a secret, but she was hiding her meetings with the bear too, to some extent. 4mo
squirrelbrain @JamieArc - yes to the romanticising nature! We do it all the time, but it can turn on us in so many ways. 4mo
Chelsea.Poole Elena looked at the bear as something to escape into and preoccupy herself with, even though it was ultimately her downfall. Sam (rightfully!) feared the bear, and maybe even resented it for taking Elena‘s attention away. The bear could be a symbol for many things in life, and may be specific to each individual reader. Great discussion! 4mo
squirrelbrain Yes, it certainly seems like the bear meant so many things to different people @Chelsea.Poole 4mo
CBee @squirrelbrain there is so much more to Elena that we really never discovered, but it seems like she was escaping however she could. She wanted those things just for herself. I think it was so difficult for her when Sam couldn‘t understand how magical the bear was to her. 4mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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Well, here we are in our last week of camp! 😢 Time to think about rolling up your sleeping bag, and exchanging friendship bracelets before we leave.

But not before we have a few more questions about Bear.

A few of us touched on this one last week - we only saw Sam‘s perspective throughout the book. Did you wish you could have seen Elena‘s POV too- and how would it have differed?

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Bookwormjillk Yes, a totally different book but I‘m glad we saw Sam‘s POV. I think if we would have seen Elana‘s it would have shown Sam as a lazy, clingy child without understanding any of her motivations. (edited) 4mo
TrishB It would have been v interesting- I think knowing Elena‘s motivations would have been really revealing. 4mo
DGRachel It would have been totally different with Elena‘s POV. The conversation/fight about leaving vs. staying wouldn‘t have been such a surprise or nearly as heartbreaking. I hated being in Sam‘s head, but I‘m not sure I‘d have like the book at all if we had it from Elena‘s POV or even dual POVs. 4mo
Kitta I thought at the beginning it was going to switch perspectives and was surprised it didn‘t 🤷🏻‍♀️ I liked having Sam‘s POV though, I think it added tension when we didn‘t know Elena‘s motivations and logic, and what she was actually doing. I thought the structure was better this way. 4mo
Jess I kept having to remind myself how old these two were. Their actions and Sam‘s insights seemed so much younger. I would have liked to see the book from Elena‘s POV. Maybe I would have liked it more. 4mo
GatheringBooks @TrishB agreed. I thought the author‘s approach of not disclosing Elena‘s pov was clever. Not sure if this is what it is meant by an unreliable narrator (or maybe a missing narrator of sorts), but how tragic it was that the sisters, ostensibly close, seemed to be living very different lives with very diff sets of people around them, and diff motivations and dreams in life. I felt the sense of betrayal deeply from Jess‘ pov prompting readers to👇🏼 4mo
GatheringBooks (Cont) reflect on whether we truly know people at all - even the ones we believe we are most intimate with. 4mo
Susanita It seems like both sisters are locked in their “roles” and this can lead to a lot of resentment. As for the POV, I would have liked to know why Elena thought it was a good idea to bring roast beef to a bear! 4mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @GatheringBooks I agree this is a great look at how we do not know people even when we are close to them. I also think it is a great way of looking at assumptions and miscommunication. Elena seems to think they have had one talk way before life development to reality and she has forgotten the idea of leaving. Reminding us we must revisit big topics. 4mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I thought viewing everything through Sam's POV was quite depressing. I found her whiny and annoying. In the end I can see her juvenile ideas come mostly from how sheltered Elena and Sam herself allowed her to become. 4mo
TheKidUpstairs Like others have said, it would have been a very different book with Elena's POV. I would have loved to know her thoughts with regards to the Bear, but at the same time I felt that one of the big themes of the book is the difference between Sam and Elena's perceptions, and I don't think Sam's realization that she had no idea what was happening in Elena's head would have been nearly as effective if we as readers had known. 4mo
sarahbarnes Agree with @GatheringBooks that this was a clever use of an unreliable narrator. I believed Sam‘s version of reality until I realized it was skewed. Agree with others here too that she was grating and infuriating in many ways - I wanted her to let Elena live her life and figure out how to live her own. But I know that trauma was preventing her from being about to do that. 4mo
Daisey I agree that it would have been very interesting to see Elena‘s point of view, but it also would have completely changed the book and how we experienced the differences and the impact of their lack of clear communication. 4mo
TheBookHippie I think it was an accurate picture of trauma. In order to survive Sam had to hang on to the words her sister said, in order to function. Having Elenas voice would have ruined the book. 4mo
Ruthiella I totally see why the author did it, but I found Sam so frustrating and I knew she was giving the reader a skewed view of reality. 4mo
squirrelbrain I initially thought I wanted to see Elena‘s POV too @trishb @kitta @jess @daisey and hadn‘t really thought about Sam fitting into the unreliable narrator trope @GatheringBooks @sarahbarnes but now I see everyone‘s comments I see that only seeing one POV, even if we didn‘t like her, is what made the book work. @DGRachel @ChaoticMissAdventures @TheKidUpstairs @TheBookHippie @Ruthiella (edited) 4mo
squirrelbrain @Susanita - I thought that too - why on earth is she giving the bear a Sunday dinner?! Yorkshire puds too?! 4mo
AmyG I liked only Sam‘s POV and think this book would have been very different if we also had Elena‘s. I am always fascinated how 2 people in a household can have such different views of what is going on and how what one remembers one way could be remembered in a totally different way by the other. Sam felt so close to Elena but apparently didn‘t know so much about her. 4mo
Megabooks I guess I'm in the minority in saying I didn't like seeing it from Sam's perspective. I would've preferred dual POV first and then Elena's second. I think I didn't enjoy the book as much because it was from Sam's perspective possibly because I related to Elena more strongly, especially due to her relationship with their mom. @bookwormjillk I still saw Sam that way. 😬 😬 4mo
TheKidUpstairs @squirrelbrain @Susanita oh my gosh, the beef! Not only the stupidity of feeding a wild grizzly, but the waste! Considering their financial situation, it seems like it would be such a help to be able to bring food home from her job. 4mo
BarbaraBB I love this question and all answers. And until now I thought I‘d preferred both POV, like @megabooks says. But reading all comments I think what made the book so strong was that we didn‘t know what Elena thought. Like @TheKidUpstairs states, Sam had no idea what went on in Elena‘s head, we were shocked with her - I was. And @Jess I agree that Sam came over so young - and probably naive. 4mo
Meshell1313 @BarbaraBB yes I agree Sam‘s POV added to our shock about Elena- almost like Sam was an unreliable narrator! 4mo
Deblovestoread I might have enjoyed a dual pov but having Sam hold onto their plan of escape and watching it fall apart is what propelled the story. 4mo
DebinHawaii I feel like a lot of the group, while I really wanted to get inside of Elena‘s head, especially about the bear, I feel that only having Sam‘s perspective made the ending hit harder. 4mo
squirrelbrain It certainly did make the ending more of a surprise and more hard-hitting didn‘t it? @Deblovestoread @DebinHawaii It was the first time I felt any sympathy for Sam too, when she learned that they couldn‘t afford to leave. We wouldn‘t have had that ‘reveal‘ if we‘d have been in Elena‘s head too. 4mo
CarolynM I actually enjoy narratives that stick closely to a single point of view when something happens, or one of the other characters says something, that gives you a perspective shift, and makes you realise just how skewed the POV is. I felt quite sympathetic towards Sam. There was a lot Elena deliberately kept from her that prevented her from seeing how Elena‘s ideas had changed. 4mo
Hooked_on_books I agree with many that it would have been interesting to hear from Elena. But I‘m glad we didn‘t. The slow reveal of her interactions with the bear, her resentments over her place in the family, her relationship with the neighbor, were so much more impactful because of how we learned them. Like @TheBookHippie says, hearing from her would have ruined the book. 4mo
CBee Had to finish the book, phew! So I thought I wanted Elena‘s POV but then once I finished (and even as I got close to the end) realized that I didn‘t need it. The last part had me reeling and of course the ending was just, heartbreaking. 4mo
CBee @BarbaraBB I was shocked as well. 4mo
JamieArc @Susanita I agrée that the sisters were locked in their roles. It reminded me of The Alternatives in that way. I was disappointed to not see more growth in Sam, but could see how trauma kept her stuck. 4mo
JamieArc This story went from a bit magical to quite frustrating and depressing. I think if we had Elena‘s POV, the magic would have stayed a bit longer. 4mo
squirrelbrain I think that a few Littens wanted Elena‘s POV last week, when we were only halfway through the book, but changed their minds later on. @CarolynM @Hooked_on_books @CBee 4mo
squirrelbrain Yes, they were definitely stuck in their roles weren‘t they? @JamieArc - so much like The Alternatives in that sense. 4mo
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