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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

@julesG okay, so here we go… all together… Queen Catra vin SuLaneh etl MuLanen dev FonLetahn
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BookwormAHN And thats why I get a lot of fantasy books on audio 😸 2y

GingerAntics @BookwormAHN you and me both… although I‘m not sure this counts as fantasy. Does supernatural count as fantasy? 😆 2y

BookwormAHN According to Stephen King fantasy is a broad term that covers most genres that aren't straight fiction so yes, I think it counts.

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GingerAntics @BookwormAHN cool, then this definitely qualifies. The names certainly make it worth the audiobook. That‘s for sure. 2y

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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

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It was cool getting to know Trez and iAm in this one. It was also cool seeing the amazing integrity and honour Wrath, the brotherhood have. The end is a real tear jerker, too. This book was also different from the previous books in the series. I‘m really hoping the second half of the series continues with this shift. The books really stand out from each other this way.
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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

I think the biggest transformation in this book was iAm, honestly.
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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

@julesG and we thought the brothers had some complicated names… Ward is really trying to 🤬 with us now.
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julesG Say what? How the hell is that supposed to be pronounced? 2y

GingerAntics @julesG god I heard it a few times in the audiobook… no bloody clue still. Plus, it will probably change in another several books anyway? 🤷🏼‍♀️ However the hell you want is my vote. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG Katie. It‘s Katie. 2y

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julesG Makes total sense. Not! 🙈🙈🙈 2y

GingerAntics @julesG 😂🤣😂 it‘s bugging me, because I genuinely can‘t remember how this was pronounced… but it probably won‘t get used often in the rest of the books so it‘s probably okay. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG GOT IT!!! Queen Cot-rah vin Sue-Lynn-ah ettle* Moo-La-nin day Fun-ler-on (*Think nettle without the n) 2y

julesG 🙈🙈🙈 2y

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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

🤣😂🤣 leave it to Lassiter.
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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

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Don‘t piss off the brotherhood, or this is how they‘ll introduce you to your king.
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julesG 😂🤣😂🤣 2y

GingerAntics @julesG 😂🤣😂 thought you‘d like that 2y

julesG Wait, is it pronounced Rage, or Hage? Silent X is a thing (one of the most un-silent consonants in my understanding, maybe silent R works too? 2y

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julesG I'm tempted to write A Linguist's Guide to the Blatantly Obvious Mispronunciation of Fictional Names - Or how you can spoil the reading experience by inventing names and pronunciation guidelines that just don't make sense at all. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG nope, he‘s still Rage. Now I want to see if that changes. If that changes I‘m out, too. You mess with the brothers and I can‘t even. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG I would read that. 2y

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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

“Embrace the miracle that was conception, incubation, and impending expulsion.”
So much to say about this line. It‘s certainly remote and rather cold. Incubation of course brings up thoughts of Amy Coney Barrett saying women should be incubators. 🙄 Oh, so much to say about one sentence.
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julesG Yuck! 2y

GingerAntics @julesG right? She is talking about human views of pregnancy, so perhaps it was a flash of Ward‘s social commentary? Even this Chosen , who is fairly new to the world of humans, can see that humans think of females as nothing more than incubators? 2y

ravenlee Then there‘s the politician in Ohio who thinks that pregnancy by rape is an “opportunity” for the victim. As in, she thinks that by being forced to bear a child of violence, the victim can become the ideal woman - you know, an incubator. Because that‘s what we‘re here for. 2y

GingerAntics @ravenlee 🙄🙄🙄 I can‘t even. An opportunity!!! An opportunity for daily PTSD. An opportunity for daily flashbacks if this poor kid looks like it‘s father. An opportunity for her rapist to mess with her further when he sues for visitation rights because that‘s allowed in Ohio. You‘ve got to be kidding me. 2y

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The Shadows: Number 13 in series | J. R. Ward

I‘m rather hoping Trez gets out of the weird “husband” sex slave gig and gets to stay with Selena. Fingers crossed. After finding out what his parents did to him, I was kind of hoping the queen would kill them (yeah I got problems), but them losing their social status probably does make the suffer more. Hopefully we get to hear more about that (see, problems); but first, some more sleep.
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GingerAntics @julesG suddenly, in this audiobook, Xhex (John Matthew‘s shellan) has gone from zex to hex and Xcor (head of the band of bastards) has gone from score to core. Eh. Not a fan. Zex and Score make more sense to me. Zexania sounds better than Hexania. Xcor‘s face is scored. It just makes more sense. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Apparently Ward said they were meant to be Hex and Core, so no idea why they were pronounced differently in the first half of the audiobooks. (edited) 2y

GingerAntics @julesG I have to say I haven‘t heard “cocksucker” in a while. It‘s definitely nowhere in this book… I can‘t remember if I heard it in the last one. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG primale has gone from prime-male or prime-ale to prim-all-ee. No idea why. It‘s really getting weird. 2y

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julesG Oh no! After what, 12 books??? Even if it's been mispronounced so far, they should stick to the version we all got used to. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG totally agree. It‘s really distracting. 2y

julesG Cocksucker - Qhuinn said it when Blay and what's-his-name hooked up for the first time and he got jealous. So, book 9? 2y

julesG Didn't she listen to the early audiobooks? 2y

julesG Also, why come up with the crazy names in the first place? Next we know, Qhuinn is actually pronounced Hoo-een? 2y

GingerAntics @julesG this is the 14th bloody title - 13th novel plus the novella numbered 6.5 2y

GingerAntics @julesG I think that‘s right. It was certainly in Blay and Qhuinn‘s book. I‘m not sure it‘s in The King and it‘s definitely not in The Shadows. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG I get the names being English words but slightly different. Like this is a different culture and society and these are traits that are prized sort of thing. I get that, but why pronounce them weird? If Qhuinn changes, I‘m out. That would be absolutely ridiculous. It seems to be this silent X thing. Maybe she couldn‘t have Xhex (zex) and s‘Ex (sex - the shadow executioner). 2y

julesG Pronunciation "rules" would say (okay, Italian does it. Latin did it?) that an H after a consonant results in this consonant being a plosive/hard consonant. Hence Xhex is Zex not Hex. Silent X just doesn't make sense. Not at all. And Xcore being Core ???? like nucleus? The middle of something? The stabilising muscles in your body's middle? ? Nothing stable about Xcore, he's volatile. He might see himself as the navel of the world, though. ? 2y

julesG Btw, I know it's Xcor, but my phone insists on the E 🙄🙄🙄 2y

GingerAntics @julesG even your phone takes issue with the madness. lol Yeah, when a word starts with X, it tends to sound like a Z. I just don‘t get it. Yeah Xcor as score makes far more sense. He does think of himself as the Center of the universe, sure, but score as in cut or slice works so much better. It‘s more logical. He does love his daggers. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG oh god you broke me!!! Every time I hear “Qhuinn” on the audiobook now, I think “Hoo-een!!!” 😂🤣😂 Clearly I‘ve turned slap happy. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG I can‘t believe I didn‘t think of this before. Ward doesn‘t allow fan fiction. She‘s too territorial of her work… or just that pretentious. Given the strange pronunciations, I‘m going with pretentious. The whole bloody thing is pretentious. 2y

GingerAntics THERE IT IS!!! Cocksucker made an appearance after all. Ward REALLY likes that word. 2y

julesG Pretentious fits 2y

GingerAntics @julesG 🤣😂🤣 2y

GingerAntics @julesG bloody hell, has she run out of weird names?! Now there is a Craeg… like Craig. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Next there is going to be a Bob or Will. 🙄 But it‘ll be Xwhill and Bhobh. 2y

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julesG It's probably going to be Xwhille. Why not add a silent E too? 2y

GingerAntics @julesG 🤣😂🤣 or perhaps it‘s supposed to be pronounced Willie… in that his Willie is his most prominent feature?! 😂🤣😂 names aways seem to perfectly describe the vampire in question. I wonder how Bhobh describes the vampire? 2y

GingerAntics @julesG Xwhilleg… the silent g makes the e long. 👍🏻 (edited) 2y

julesG 🤣🤣🤣 2y

GingerAntics @julesG perhaps Bhobh is a female and the o is really oo. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG then Xwhilleg and Bhobh can get together… I bet that‘s the next book coming out in 2023. 2y

julesG 🤣🤣🤣 More tea going down the wrong pipe. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG 🤣😂🤣 I‘m sorry… I think. 😂🤣😂 2y

GingerAntics @julesG you know how they are males and females because they‘re not human, so they‘re not men and women? Ward is really wedded to that. Wrath was just referred to as “a good statesmale.” 2y

julesG Humanoid non-aliens? 2y

GingerAntics @julesG precisely 2y

GingerAntics @julesG just had a thought. Xcor being score is literal. He has that cleft lip thing going on. It‘s a literal name. Core makes NO sense from that standpoint either. WTF 2y

julesG That's how I understood the name. And I think we both said so in the comments to one of the other blurbs. 2y

GingerAntics @julesG oh, I was thinking of his love for his scythe. He would score lessers as he killed them. 2y

julesG 🤣 That too 2y

GingerAntics @julesG so we have at least two literal reasons for his name to be score, and still exactly zero (and possibly a negative number) reasons for him to be core. It makes no sense. I wish she would explain her reasoning. We did find out that Xcor is the literal brother of a member of the brotherhood… well, Layla found out and it‘s going to come out in this book I think. 2y

julesG Sorry, wanted to write that I'm curious whose brother he is. Then brushed against the wrong symbols and my phone posted nonsense 2y

GingerAntics @julesG he is Tohr‘s half brother. They are both sons of Hharm. 2y

julesG Do we pronounce it "harm" or "arm"? ?? 2y

GingerAntics @julesG 😂🤣😂 that‘s still being pronounced harm. The prologue of this book is actually Hharm being a total prick at Xcor‘s birth. 2y

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