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AvidReader25
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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A meditation on how the personal lives of artists impact our view of them as fans. Once we know horrible things about a person (Picasso, Cosby, etc.), how can we still enjoy their art? The author questioning both herself and others in the way to process the hardest contradictions. It‘s complicated and doesn‘t shy away from the conflicting things we feel. I was fascinated and left thinking about the debate for days.

CaitlinR It sounds fascinating, 2w
Texreader Oh wow. Yea I wonder about that a lot, especially writers. 2w
AvidReader25 @Texreader @CaitlinR Yes! She gave voice to a lot of thoughts I‘ve had and struggle with. 1w
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The_Book_Ninja
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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Picked this up on a whim thinking it was going to be a salacious, who‘s who of cancelled celebrity wrong-uns and their crimes. It‘s better than that. It‘s about fandom & the sticky problem “separating the art from the artist”. We see how artists/men behaving badly are given a bye due to their “genius”, while female counterparts are labeled “monsters” for different reason. It‘s all done through a post-modern, Marxist-feminist lens. A great critique

bthegood I like when topics are not reduced to a simple two sides (all or none) - this is a good examination of the complexity of the issue. (edited) 3mo
The_Book_Ninja @bthegood Agreed! I really enjoyed this book. 3mo
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TrishB
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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For about 60% of this book I was engrossed and having lots of conversations with myself about the contents. Then it sort of lost its way for me. There are lots of good discussion points, though no answers. We will all have our personal perspectives on many of these things. But a woman being mentally ill and killing herself (child abandonment) and a man drugging and raping a 13yr old are not comparable. I‘ll let you guess who.

Ruthiella Polanski. I do not forgive him. 4mo
TrishB @Ruthiella no I can‘t either. The way he is lauded is still sickening to me. Says everything we need to know about how society views rape. 4mo
squirrelbrain I‘ve seen lots of reviews similar to yours - I might pass on this one. 4mo
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TrishB @squirrelbrain save for 99p or library! Or not at all. 4mo
Centique I vaguely knew about that case but just went and read a couple of articles. 😳😳 My god !! he wrote an autobiography later and described what he did - no remorse. Completely unforgivable. 4mo
TrishB @Centique it‘s still downright shocking! But he makes great films apparently….the author starts off with why she still watches his films and basically ends with that too. As if the whole book was a justification of that. 4mo
Centique @TrishB i think, in this case where he‘s still alive, unrepentant and lauded as if he has been a victim, i‘d rather not contribute to his fame and the false narrative that hes created of it being allowable for him. 4mo
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TrishB
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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Yep.

vlwelser 💯 4mo
AmyG Yep 4mo
Ruthiella 👍👍👍 4mo
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IndoorDame
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TheSpineView ❤️❤️❤️ 4mo
dabbe Ouch! That's what I feel I sometimes did to my kids when teaching grammar! Especially “now diagram the sentence.“ Though I have to say, I diagram sentences for FUN! I think of them as word puzzles. #yeahimweird 🤩 4mo
IndoorDame @dabbe I get that 😂. But the alternative is me, from the generation of kids who basically weren‘t taught grammar. So now when I teach foreign language I google basic English grammar terms over and over to answer my kiddos more complex questions. 4mo
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dabbe @IndoorDame It really is important, isn't it? Even with my high school juniors, I'd tell them, “We won't even begin to have you write a paragraph until you can write perfect sentences that are at least 15 words or more.“ And that would take about half of the year. 🤩😂😍 4mo
IndoorDame @dabbe the funny thing is the hippy do it yourself thing they tried out with us for a few years kind of worked. I write really well, I can edit other people‘s writing excellently. But it‘s all intuitive. I can‘t explain what I‘m doing to anyone else. Or even to myself really cause I don‘t know the “rules”. I can‘t name a part of speech or a tense past like what they teach 4th graders. I couldn‘t diagram a sentence if there was a gun to my head… 4mo
IndoorDame @dabbe “creative spelling” on the other hand, was a totally failed experiment 😂. 35 years later, even after the invention of automated spellcheck people can still tell I have no idea how to spell 4mo
dabbe @IndoorDame Some of us are talented that way. Just like someone who intuitively can analyze a complex piece of literature. Some people just can't or they struggle with it--like I struggle with math (oy!). You have the gift of language. And thank the language gods for spell-check! 🤩 4mo
IndoorDame @dabbe right there with you on math! 4mo
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fredthemoose
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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Panpan

⭐️⭐️💫 I finished this and I have thoughts… mainly I think she lost her thread or needed to better define “monster”. The book starts with her conflicted feelings of what to do with the art of child rapists but then moves to a version of “we‘re all monsters” by which she means women artists want space from their children to create? It felt like a false equivalence of monstrosity=any imperfections. If everyone is a monster then no one is. 👇

fredthemoose By the end she was equating consuming the art of monsters with living a flawed or potentially abusive parent. Again—not the same thing! There were several potentially good independent essays or arguments here, but the book needed a more coherent edit. 5mo
Clare-Dragonfly And here I was assuming this book was about monsterfuckers 😅 5mo
SamAnne Hmmm….thank you for this review. Have been wondering how far to move this up the stack. 5mo
fredthemoose @SamAnne you‘re welcome! It had been hovering on the TBR for awhile and was just not what I expected. It definitely gave me things to think about, but those thoughts were more annoying than anything. 🤷‍♀️ 5mo
fredthemoose @Clare-Dragonfly 🤷‍♀️ 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ 5mo
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Leftcoastzen
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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@fredthemoose called it right ,it can be tedious because she analyzes it from all angles.Still, I can come away that I do still respect the art of some people I don‘t respect as human beings.Will I support them with my dollars anymore, probably not.That doesn‘t make me or them better people though. I thought about Alice Neel ,I love her paintings, her life was more difficult for her kids & herself, there‘s even a doc about that.Kids get their say.

fredthemoose Yeah… I‘m hanging in there and I think it‘s getting a little better, but I feel like it goes back and forth between being written for an academic vs. a general audience. There‘s a lot of name dropping of not necessarily well known artists and cultural references without context that makes me feel like I‘m not the intended reader for this. 5mo
dabbe Hello there, snuggly kitty! 🖤🐾🖤 5mo
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fredthemoose
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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I really wanted and expected to like this, but I‘m close to halfway through and am just finding it so… tedious…
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Michael_Gee
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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What to do with the art of monstrous men?

This hooked me. It‘s a book I knew I was reading too fast but I also didn‘t want to put it down. Love her voice, her slippery writing. It‘s smart and thought provoking but also beautiful and personal.

This question comes up so many times with my friends I kind of want to have this book on hand to give out.

Oh, maybe that‘s what I‘ll do for Christmas. 🎄

Leftcoastzen I just put it on hold at the library, looks interesting! 5mo
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Soubhiville
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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Can you love the art of an artist who is or was a monster? It‘s a question I think most of us ask ourselves and others.

Personally I love the Harry Potter books, even though I feel morally conflicted by Rowling‘s politics. And Michael Jackson‘s music will always live in my head.

This explores that huge question and different ways of looking at the answers and why our emotions vary on the topic. Very well thought out!

AmyG I had a huge problem with Ryan Adams when I learned how he manipulated women etc. So…stacked. 6mo
TrishB I need to read this one and am conflicted a lot! 6mo
Megabooks I really enjoyed this too! 6mo
Jjaxn95 In addition to J.K. and MJ, mine are Dr. Seuss and Adam Levine 🥴 6mo
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