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The Adventure of the Six Napoleons | Arthur Conan Doyle

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Librarybelle I was a little surprised by the Mafia mention, honestly. I‘m sure there are connections in England with the Mafia, but I hadn‘t really thought about it. As for Napoleon and the statues…though this is written decades after, it‘s still a huge piece of British history, a source of pride. It made sense to me for Napoleon to be the statue—destruction of a hated enemy. He‘s still not really well liked in parts of the world. 1d

Cuilin The mafia mentioned caught me off guard too. Like what? I thought that was Italian American history. 1d

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Read4life I remember thinking early on the first time I read this that there was something in the bust. The mafia connection felt like it came out of nowhere when I read it. 1d

CogsOfEncouragement I suspected right away, it reminded me of The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle.

I was surprised so many people would want a N bust. I don't have any warm feelings for him.

The mafia mention didn't surprise me, Doyle taking the time to define what it was caught my attention.

So many good feelings from L in these stories yet the tv adaptations tend to lean into a ton of animosity from L to SH which I find interesting. 1d

eeclayton The friendliness between Lestrade and Holmes was a pleasant surprise for me too, in this one and other stories as well, seeing how their relationship is shown in adaptations. @CogsOfEncouragement 1d

Cuilin @eeclayton yes!!! The movie adaptations especially have them pit against each other. 9h

Cuilin @CogsOfEncouragement I just watched the Granada YV adaptation with Jeremy Brett, and they seem friendly in that one. And then the BBC has them be on friendlier terms but the Robert Downey Jr. movie it‘s like they‘re enemies. 9h

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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Six Napoleons | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts?

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Librarybelle I think it is a reflection of attitudes, and really attitudes today of otherness. 1d

Cuilin @Librarybelle I was thinking the same thing that nothing much has changed, unfortunately. 1d

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Read4life I agree that it really hasn‘t changed much. 1d

CogsOfEncouragement I was thinking about this as I read, especially his description of being so ugly. Seemed like all Italians basically knew each other, though it would make since they might gravitate to the same neighborhoods where they could speak their heart language, as people still tend to do. I lack knowledge of the history of Italians in England. 1d

Cuilin @Read4life 😔 1d

CatLass007 I know that filmmakers and authors today are still accused of perpetuating stereotypes. All Italians are members of the Mafia, everyone in Boston supports the IRA, indigenous people are primitive or drunks or whatever the latest stereotype is. So, no, humans haven‘t changed much at all. 22h

CatLass007 But there‘s more. Didn‘t the bust-smashing Italian Mafia guy have a nickname? It seems like everyone connected with the Italian Mafia in the movies and on television has a nickname. I enjoy reading a good mystery or thriller, but I don‘t remember reading anything with Italian Mafia guys, much less ones who have nicknames. 21h

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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Six Napoleons | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts?

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Librarybelle This was another fast read. I‘m not familiar with the perception of Napoleon from Italians, since he is from Corsica, and I vaguely recall animosity between the two countries (I‘m not up on my European feuds unless they involve the Tudors). 1d

Cuilin @Librarybelle yeah I thought this was a fast and good read also. It‘s interesting regarding Napoleon, as an Irish person it was a case of “an enemy of your enemy is your friend” so I think Napoleon was probably more popular in Ireland than in many parts of the world. lol (edited) 1d

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Read4life I enjoyed this one. I vaguely remembered it from reading it years ago. 1d

CogsOfEncouragement I enjoyed it. The newspaper man so upset, concerned that he wouldn't get a chance to write about the interesting story because it happened to him, and he feared he was too shaken to write was a fun aspect. Then using the paper to place the culprit at ease to continue his search for the pearl was also entertaining. 1d

CatLass007 I rarely am able to follow the clues Conan Doyle supplies. This time was different. I suspected that something was hidden in one of the busts and that the nationality of the person smashing them was a red herring. Of course, I didn‘t know what was hidden because the pearl was also a work of fiction by Conan Doyle. It‘s a nice change being able to keep up with Sherlock. 22h

Cuilin @CatLass007 for some reason I thought there was going to be a map with clues inside the bust. 9h

CatLass007 @Cuilin Ha! I think there‘s a reason they are called short stories. 8h

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Brooke_H

Art in the Blood: A Sherlock Holmes Adventure | Bonnie Macbird

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I was really pleased with this traditional Sherlockian pastiche, even if the ending did not quite satisfy.

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The Adventure of the Six Napoleons | Arthur Conan Doyle

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#NoPlaceLikeHolmes #TheSixNapoleons

The sherlockians next read, The Adventure of the Six Napoleons, is linked below (spoiler alert). Discussion will be this Saturday 11/23, lead by @Cuilin

Link: https://shorturl.at/Ni9Gt

dabbe Thank you! 🧡🍁🤎 6d

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Read4life

The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton | Arthur Conan Doyle

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A quick but satisfying SH tale. Read and discussed with the #NoPlaceLikeHolmes group.

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dabbe It was a fun one, wasn't it! A woman finally kicks some serious butt! 🤩🤗😄 6d

TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!! 6d

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Six Napoleons | Arthur Conan Doyle

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#TheSixNapoleons
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Hi, Sherlockians~
As always, great discussion on Saturday! Our next SH read, “(TAo) The Six Napoleons“, is linked below (spoiler alert). Discussion will be this Saturday, 11/23, and will be led by @Cuilin. Enjoy your Sunday!

Link: https://shorturl.at/Ni9Gt

Librarybelle Thank you! 1w

dabbe @Librarybelle YW! ❣️ 1w

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dabbe

The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton | Arthur Conan Doyle

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#CharlesAugustusMilverton
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Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle That was funny! 😂 1w

Daisey This part of the story made me laugh out loud. 🤣 1w

CogsOfEncouragement Yes! That was so funny!

I didn't believe W would ever go to the police station to turn SH in if he refused to bring W with him to burgle Milverton's home. Silly threat. But maybe SH, by saying W couldn't go, was just getting W to beg to go break the law. LOL
I think SH wanted W there all along. @Librarybelle @Daisey 1w

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dabbe @Librarybelle Just like @Daisey, I actually laughed out loud! 😂 1w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement And that reminds me of another favorite line. When Watson insists on going, Sherlock replies, “Well, well, my dear fellow, be it so. We have shared this same room for some years, and it would be amusing if we ended by sharing the same cell.“ 🤩 1w

CogsOfEncouragement @dabbe lol That was another good one! 1w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement 🤩😂😘 1w

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dabbe

The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @cuilin
#CharlesAugustusMilverton
#CAM

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle I groaned as Holmes so lightly dismisses the poor maid and her affections. Not surprising, but still worthy of a groan! As to the “noble” lady and what she does…this is the part about Holmes‘ version of justice I referred to in the first question. Though, in this case, it could be construed as an eye for an eye, I suppose… 1w

CogsOfEncouragement Yeah, I flinched at finding out SH - in disguise - had romanced the maid into an engagement as he used her for info on the household. Then in one night she has no employment (maybe released from a horrible position) and her fiancé will disappear as if he never existed. Because he didn't. For the rest, I was entertained by their lawlessness as W was.
Also - SH knows how to woo, even though he is not inclined to marry. Very talented. @librarybelle 1w

CogsOfEncouragement Oh! I was skimming to answer question 4 and found this -
SH: However, I rejoice to say that I have a hated rival, who will certainly cut me out the instant my back in turned. What a splendid night it is!
So the maid has another suiter. She accepted Escott's (SH's) proposal, but she has another gentleman in love with her that she will hopefully be happy with. I didn't remember this important detail. We don't have to be mad. lol
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Cuilin That was a quick romance. It does make us wonder about Sherlock‘s romantic skills???? lol 1w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement Ooh, I'm so glad you found this! I feel a little better now about Sherlock's shenanigans! 😂 1w

CatLass007 Even though Agatha would have ended up with her other suitor, I really didn‘t like Sherlock‘s cavalier attitude. He isn‘t just misanthropic, he‘s misogynistic. 1w

dabbe @CatLass007 🎯!!! 1w

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dabbe

The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @cuilin
#CharlesAugustusMilverton
#CAM

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle Good question! I find him repulsive, to be honest, more than evil or clever. Moriarty is the more clever of the two, in my opinion. 1w

CogsOfEncouragement I kept thinking that society's reaction to whatever romance a woman had previously to meeting her eventual fiancé often gave him the power to blackmail. I'm sure some of these people were up to no good even by today's ideals and didn't want their misdeeds exposed, but I think many are things that would not give anyone any concern in 2024. Holding women to a standard men are not held to is always irritating. @Librarybelle 1w

Cuilin I was truly anxious reading this. I thought Charles was going to get the better of Sherlock!! 😱 but a woman saved the day!!! Pew pew. 1w

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dabbe I don't think I've read a Sherlock story to date where more time was devoted by Sherlock to describe this despicable person. He spends more time describing Milverton than he did explaining Moriarty. And even though he doesn't murder these victims, per se, he does murder their chances of happiness if they can't pay him what he wants. 1w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement Oh, yes. Men will just have their fun, you know, but ladies ... well, we have a whole other list of standards for you. 🙄 1w

Read4life Excellent point @dabbe . Sherlock REALLY went all in in detailing how despicable Milverton was. I think Moriarty was more clever and Milverton was more disgusting. 7d

dabbe @Read4life Agree 💯! 6d

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