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Stella Maris
Stella Maris | Cormac McCarthy
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The best-selling, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Road returns with the second of a two-volume masterpiece: Stella Maris is an intimate portrait of grief and longing, as a young woman in a psychiatric facility seeks to understand her own existence. 1972, BLACK RIVER FALLS, WISCONSIN: Alicia Western, twenty years old, with forty thousand dollars in a plastic bag, admits herself to the hospital. A doctoral candidate in mathematics at the University of Chicago, Alicia has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and she does not want to talk about her brother, Bobby. Instead, she contemplates the nature of madness, the human insistence on one common experience of the world; she recalls a childhood where, by the age of seven, her own grandmother feared for her; she surveys the intersection of physics and philosophy; and she introduces her cohorts, her chimeras, the hallucinations that only she can see. All the while, she grieves for Bobby, not quite dead, not quite hers. Told entirely through the transcripts of Alicia's psychiatric sessions, Stella Maris is a searching, rigorous, intellectually challenging coda to The Passenger, a philosophical inquiry that questions our notions of God, truth, and existence.
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mjtwo
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25 Jul 24 (audiobook)
Companion book to The Passenger, this is narrower in scope and thus easier to understand. It consists of a series of interviews between Alice/Alicia Western and her treating psychiatrist at Stella Maris, the institute she voluntarily enters whilst Bobby is in a coma following a car crash in Europe. Did The Passenger mention the coma? I really don‘t know. Not a lot of answers here but interesting. And perfectly narrated.

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Eggs
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“Music is made out of nothing but some fairly simple rules. The notes themselves amount to almost nothing. But why some particular arrangement of these notes should have such a profound effect on our emotions is a mystery beyond even the hope of comprehension.” This book is the conversation between 21 yo paranoid schizophrenic and math genius Alicia and her psychiatrist at the mental hospital into which she‘s admitted herself. Cormac at his finest

Eggs Unforgettable and poignant #ReadAway2024 Day 7 #SeriesLove2024 (sequel to (edited) 10mo
DieAReader 🥳🥳🥳Great!! 10mo
TheSpineView Fantastic!💜💜💜 10mo
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Eggs @DieAReader 🤩🥰😊 10mo
Eggs @TheSpineView 😊🥳🤩 10mo
Andrew65 Excellent 👏👏👏 10mo
Eggs @Andrew65 🙏🏻🙏🏻 10mo
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Graywacke
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Expecting to be lost in complex ideas, instead I found this thoroughly enjoyable. All a conversation between a genius who has entered herself into a psychiatric ward, and a doctor. I just found it fun to spend time here. The last 20 pages were a little tough, but otherwise it goes by at a quick dialogue pace the whole way. You can follow as well as her doctor can, who isn't a genius. So, it's very accessible.

batsy Really glad that you liked it! 11mo
Graywacke @batsy i adored it. I was in such a good mood just reading it. 11mo
lynneamch Agree! Always enjoy narrator Julia Whelan since first hearing her on 11mo
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Graywacke
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Reading this next.

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LatrelWhite
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💛💛💛1972, BLACK RIVER FALLS, WISCONSIN: Alicia Western, twenty years old, with forty thousand dollars in a plastic bag, admits herself to the hospital. A doctoral candidate in mathematics at the University of Chicago, Alicia has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and she does not want to talk about her brother, Bobby. Instead, she contemplates the nature of madness, the human insistence on one common experience of the world.

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BkClubCare
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I love these two narrators! And I would be more interested in reading about the interactions and reactions of Julia Whelan and Edoardo Ballerini to this project than ever attempting to understand the “story”. I probably heard/read too much about what (if any) explanations it might provide to The Passenger, and I am more annoyed than appreciative.

Happy Pi Day! Guess it can be cool that I am reviewing a maths book 🤣 #iLovePie

BkClubCare I suppose that I am not expending proper consideration to the GREAT THOUGHTS of philosophy and mathematics but I don‘t get it. Call me a literature curmudgeon. Cormac showing off how smart we should think he is.

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Christine The pie looks fantastic! 2y
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BkClubCare
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Saw a comment that this is narrated by Julia Whelan and Edoardo Bellerini

Added to current listen ✅ (yes, totally influenced by #TOB23 chatter on yesterday‘s results)

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nosferatu
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I love McCarthy‘s bleak narrative style and his brooding, wordless characters. It turns out that even without these prerequisites, his fiction works for me. It‘s easy to get lost in the protagonist‘s theories, but I understand this to be just the effect McCarthy is going for; it‘s a means of characterization. I was also absolutely fascinated by one of the final ideas of language as a parasite, introduced late in humans‘ evolution. Wild!

batsy I was fascinated by that idea of language, as well. If you haven't already read it, this essay by Cormac is really interesting https://nautil.us/the-kekul-problem-236574/ 2y
nosferatu I‘d heard about this one, but I didn‘t know it was available online. Thanks! 2y
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Megabooks
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What a companion to The Passenger! I‘m just stunned I enjoyed them both so much. They brought up challenging topics to grapple with and fantastic characters.

SM is conversations between a young woman and her therapist. She‘s a math genius, almost done with her PhD at 21. She‘s schizophrenic and suicidal, so these are tough conversations to get through (at least for me). As @Hooked_on_books said, it‘s great to see a man write an insightful woman.

Megabooks @dabbe I hope the daffodils survived the ice storm! It‘s warming up today. 🤞🏻😬 2y
Cinfhen So impressed you went back to these books!!! I don‘t have the patience 2y
squirrelbrain I think the premise of this one sounds better than The Passenger, but I‘m still not drawn to it. Glad you enjoyed it though. 2y
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BarbaraBB So envious of you that you managed to read them! I already put The Passenger aside. I really had no clue what was going on 🤦🏻‍♀️ 2y
Hooked_on_books Great review! How cool that you liked both of these so much! 2y
Megabooks @Cinfhen it was really hard and much more slow going than I usually read, but well worth it for me! 2y
Megabooks @squirrelbrain and it can work as a standalone book. But it is a challenging read emotionally and intellectually, so it‘s probably a finding the right time thing. 2y
Megabooks @BarbaraBB it takes a long time for things to click. I‘ll give you some stuff that would‘ve helped me in a spoiler tag. 2y
Megabooks @BarbaraBB okay, so the book jumps around in time a lot, but you‘re always following Bobby/Western, which I was very confused for awhile thinking it was two people. He grew up in rural TN. His dad worked on the atomic bomb project and his mom was a beauty Queen. They‘re both dead. So is his sister, who is the topic of SM and the one who hears the thalomide kid. So someone is chasing Bobby, who says they are from the IRS (tax ppl) ⬇️ (edited) 2y
Megabooks @BarbaraBB but you get the sense it‘s more death coming for the author. Like I feel he‘s using Bobby to consider his life. Otherwise I wouldn‘t try too much to get caught up in the plot but instead focus on the larger philosophical ideas McCarthy is going after. Also Bobby was in school for physics before he became a race car driver then salvage diver. Idk if this will help you, but I think being straight on these points sooner would‘ve helped me. (edited) 2y
Megabooks @Hooked_on_books I really did! It‘s one of those situations where reading something challenging was worthwhile. 2y
sarahbarnes Wow, so cool to see you liked both of these! 2y
batsy Very happy to hear you liked this, too! I found the therapy/interrogation format a cool way for McCarthy to just riff on the subjects that obviously interest him. But I grew fond of Alicia, too, especially how she speaks about her "horts". She didn't come off as a just a female character stand-in for the author's ego. 2y
BarbaraBB Thank you so much! I thought they were two persons too. You make it sound understandable 🤍 (edited) 2y
Megabooks @sarahbarnes I was very surprised!! 2y
Megabooks @batsy exactly! She felt like a genuinely female character (whatever that means) not the typical girl written by a guy. And those topics really were of interest to me as well. Her talking about what it would feel like to drown was difficult though. 😬 2y
Megabooks @BarbaraBB I hope it helps if you decide to go back. 💜 2y
batsy @Megabooks It was pretty tough! Really poignant too, some of the bits about her struggle—the understated writing made it even more so. 2y
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Viji
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I like the philosophical parts but the math talk is too much for a non-mathematician.

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Viji
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Satan is only interested in your soul. He doesn‘t give a shit about your welfare otherwise.

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BC_Dittemore
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Well…I thought maybe Stella Maris would aid in my understanding of The Passenger. I‘m not sure if it did that, or if it made the puzzle more…puzzling. With these two books, McCarthy has created something quite unique; it‘s a testament to his talent that he can write a novel told entirely in dialogue and still make it compelling. I think twenty+ years from now people will be placing The Passenger/Stella Maris alongside books like Joyce‘s Ulysses.

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DHill
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There is a lot to process in this short follow-up to The Passenger. It‘s dense yet it didn‘t feel altogether complete to me. Still, a pick.

The narration was so good and I think I enjoyed the book more because of it.

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DHill
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I got a little lost in The Passengers and I think it was because I was so intrigued with Western but faltered with Alicia.

The 2nd book tells Alicia‘s story and I hope it draws me in.

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SaraBeagle
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I have mixed feelings about both this book and The Passenger. McCarthy is a hell of a writer, there is no doubt about that. There were phrases in both books that made you stop an appreciate his skill. I appreciate McCarthy's curiosity, but I really related to the psychiatrist in Stella Maris. He frequently responded to Alicia's musings with "You lost me" or "I don't follow". Yeah dude, you and me both.

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batsy
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Although this is shorter than The Passenger, I found it more challenging. Passenger is loose, warm, & welcoming; Stella Maris is somewhat dense & impenetrable, but deeply rewarding in its own way. I feel like there's a lot of 89-year-old Cormac in young mathematics prodigy Alicia. It feels like a writer who's spent a lot of time contemplating the void & now knows that his time will soon be up. I had to stop & pause a lot while reading this.

batsy "People are interested in other people. But your unconscious is not. Or only as they might directly affect you. It's been hired to do a very specific job. It never sleeps. It's more faithful than God." Alicia is like the classical Cassandra, doomed to utter what are her version of truths but to no avail. She sees things & can't live within the prescribed norms. As a long meditation on the brain & what the unconscious is for, I found it riveting. 2y
Cathythoughts Great review! The unconscious never sleeps …. I love that. 2y
Cathythoughts I‘ve never read this author. I wouldn‘t know where to start. Any guidance is welcome 😘 2y
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paulfrankspencer Fascinating. I've not been reading very much recently, and I'm only 1/2 way through Passenger, but knowing what I know of Alicia and McCarthy, I'm very excited for Stella Maris. @Cathythoughts, I'd probably recommend All The Pretty Horses. Much of his work is quite unpleasant in theme, but can be poetic in truly unique and beautiful ways. The Road or No Country for Old Men are probably his most popular works. 2y
paulfrankspencer Also, based on other comments I've seen, I think a lot of folks would disagree with your assessment of The Passenger. Less warm and welcoming, and more difficult and alienating. That said, I prefer your description! 2y
batsy @Cathythoughts Thanks, Cathy! 😘 I loved that bit, too. There's a lot in this book that needs mulling over. I'm new to Cormac McCarthy too, just started with his two most recently released books, The Passenger and this one, which is a coda of sorts. I asked people who've read him like @paulfrankspencer to recommend their faves or where to start, and The Road comes up a lot 🙂 2y
batsy @paulfrankspencer I'll be interested to see what you think of it! I noticed that some reviews weren't too impressed with Stella Maris but I thought it was a very fitting companion text. And you do get two sides with Bobby and Alicia; with Bobby coming off as the more optimistic one, in a sense. And yeah I seem to be in the minority but I found The Passenger a very welcoming book, strange as it might sound 😅 2y
nathandrake1997 Brilliant review as usual ❤️ I loved this book too ❤️ This book felt McCarthy's ode to both Mathematics and Shakespeare! 2y
batsy @nathandrake1997 Thank you! 💜 And yes, you're quite right. There's something both classical and Shakespearean (Romeo & Juliet) in Bobby and Alicia. Mostly this also made me wish I had a mind for mathematics 😅 2y
jlhammar Wonderful review! You have me looking forward to these books. 2y
BarbaraBB Fab review. I‘ll start The Passenger sooon. 2y
batsy @jlhammar @BarbaraBB Thank you! I hope it meets your expectations 💜 2y
sarahbarnes So interested to see that you liked these! I haven‘t been sure I wanted to read them, but you are making me reconsider. (edited) 2y
batsy @sarahbarnes These seem very particular in that I can't tell who I might recommend them to. I can see that there's differing reactions to Stella Maris even from hardcore Cormac fans. 2y
Graywacke 💙💙💙 I really need to read these. My silly plans get in the way. Great review! 2y
batsy @Graywacke Thanks! 😊 You have some excellent reading plans each year! 2y
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Addison_Reads
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#ToB23

I haven't read The Passenger yet but having finished this one now I'm not sure it's necessary to read them in order.

Stella Maris is set in a mental institution and told through conversations between a math prodigy, Alice, and her doctor. The book feels more like one long rambling discussion on grief, life, and philosophy. I found it interesting while reading it, but I'm not sure how much I'll remember in a few weeks.

#likenotlove

Hooked_on_books You don‘t have to read them in order at all, and I found this one far superior to The Passenger. 2y
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Sara_Planz
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After Holiday Book Haul at Barnes and Noble. That 50% off hardback sale was irresistible!!

Graciouswarriorprincess I almost bought the Light Pirate! That sale is so hard to resist but I already bought too much! 😂 2y
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Hooked_on_books
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Alicia is a mathematical prodigy who also apparently has hallucinations (she‘s not so sure that‘s the case). Told as a series of conversations with her therapist, we get to know a little of her remarkable brain as she traverses math, physics, philosophy, family, and her own mental health. This book is far superior to The Passenger, and you don‘t have to read that one to enjoy this one. #toblonglist

Megabooks I‘m not big on reading books with hallucinations. Great review though! 2y
BarbaraBB Kudos for trying it! Glad you liked it! (edited) 2y
Hooked_on_books @Megabooks The hallucinations are in The Passenger. There‘s none here, she just talks about them. 2y
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Ruthiella I‘m encouraged by the positive feedback on both new McCarthy novels…but I really don‘t want to read either 😂. I feel like my first book from him should be an earlier one… 2y
squirrelbrain Great review, and I‘m glad you liked it, but I don‘t think I‘ll try it! 🤷‍♀️ 2y
Cinfhen Echoing what @squirrelbrain said 😂😂😂 2y
Suet624 Stacked!! 2y
batsy I'm looking forward to this one! 2y
sarahbarnes This definitely sounds interesting! I may have to try it. 🤔 2y
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ARTDJG
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