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Lindy
The Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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It‘s interesting that the hammers of workers beating cloth were so distasteful to #Genji when he was slumming it in #Genji4 but not the loud ring of iron mortars everywhere in his home, as people pound wood into incense in #Genji32. I guess the noise is okay if classy folk are making it.

@Daisey @llwheeler @bianca @saresmoore @bookandcat @mhillis @SoniaC @batsy @KathyR @TheWordJar @Faibka @RachelO @CindyMyLifeIsLit @xicanti

batsy Great point. The elitism is staggering, even by the elitist standards of modern society 🙃 5y
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TheWordJar
Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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#Genji4 also gives us this gem (Tyler translation). “I know I would like such a woman more, the more I lived with her and FORMED HER TO MY WILL.” As I said, quite over the top. He‘s 17! #Genji

GingerAntics WTF?! 5y
Lindy @GingerAntics WTF is right. Part of the appeal of this novel is seeing what outrageous treatment of women Genji will get away with next, while everyone around him is blinded by his beauty. @Daisey @llwheeler @bianca @saresmoore @bookandcat @mhillis @SoniaC @batsy @KathyR @TheWordJar @Faibka @RachelO @CindyMyLifeIsLit @TheWordJar 5y
TheWordJar @GingerAntics I know! As @Lindy said, men, women, children, spirits...everyone thinks Genji is beyond beautiful, so he can do whatever he wants. The fun part is when the author throws in a few asides like “Genji shouldn‘t get away with this stuff, but who am I to say, I‘m only a female.” Even though it was written in another time and place (over 1000 years ago in Japan), reading it through a current lens makes you hope she did that on purpose. 5y
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GingerAntics Oh wow, that‘s interesting. The earliest feminist tract perhaps? lol 5y
batsy Spoiler, but in Chap 24 we learn that Genji has not quite matured or changed 😤 and the Washburn translation really makes the discomfort of a particular female character quite obvious. So my feminist heart continues to believe that Lady Murasaki wrestled with some *feelings* regarding social and gender mores at the time. @Lindy 5y
saresmoore I would love to give him the benefit of the doubt for his age, but like @batsy noted, he doesn‘t grow out of it. And anyway, I think it‘s statements like that, which represent pretty widely accepted views of the time. 5y
Lindy “Although women at the time were banned from learning the written Chinese characters used by the court, Murasaki displayed an obvious aptitude for it. She nonetheless worked primarily with kana, the syllabary unique to Japan and the Japanese language. It was known as the language of court ladies, & so it was that women of the time were laying the foundation for Japanese literature, while the men toiled away with their Chinese writings.” 5y
TheWordJar @Lindy Some fascinating facts in that article! Interesting to know that the intended audience was women. Leave it to the women to be writing and reading! ❤️ 5y
TheWordJar @batsy @saresmoore I guess I‘m not surprised that there is no growth for Genji yet. It sounds like he evades all consequences because of his beauty. 5y
LeahBergen Happy Birthday! 📚📚📚 5y
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TheWordJar
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I‘m so behind, but on I read! Genji at 17 is over the top. #Genji4 could be a Friends episode—“The One with the Killer Spirit” (with Joey as Genji, of course). As I understand it, Genji takes a lady friend to a haunted house, where she dies (killed by a spirit who “had taken a fancy to” him, according to Genji). Inconsolable Genji. But, before the mourning period ends, he sends some “How you doin‘?” poems to former lovers. Yes? SMH, #Genji!

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Faibka
The Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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“What home is ours forever?”

#Genji #Genji4

mhillis 😻😻😻 5y
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Lindy
Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu, Murasaki Shikubu
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“He was indeed a common peasant, such a one as in old days would have been unceremoniously bundled out of Genji‘s path. Now Genji found himself welcoming the fellow as an equal, and commiserating with him upon his plight.” #Genji13
Quite a change from chapter 4 in which Genji was irritated by the “uncouth sound of peasant voices.” So, I think we are witnessing some growth in Genji‘s character.
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Lindy The other thing that bugged me in #Genji4 was his irritation at the sound of threshing mills (that gave him rice on his table) and the thud of the bleacher‘s mallet (that provided his fine clothing). @Daisey @llwheeler @bianca @saresmoore @bookandcat @mhillis @SoniaC @batsy @KathyR @TheWordJar @Faibka @RachelO @CindyMyLifeIsLit 5y
saresmoore In Washburn‘s translation, this passage describes Genji as viewing such a person as less than human. I think the author must have had somewhat of an awareness of this typical, oblivious, top-of-the-food-chain, noble worldview, though she was a member of the nobility, herself. Maybe? She presents her story so objectively, it‘s difficult to discern what (if any of it) is socio-political commentary. 5y
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rockpools
The Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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Slowly slowly making my way through the Tale of #Genji - I‘ll aim to catch up by next weekend! I‘m kind of embarrassed to admit I hadn‘t even heard of it until the buddy read started (an 11th Century Japanese classic, written by a woman, and one of the first novels out there) but I‘m really enjoying it so far. Especially the author‘s asides and side comments- at times it feels like she‘s eye-rolling at her own characters - and her readers. #genji4

Lindy Yes! I love this author‘s style. 5y
AlaMich After reading some of the posts about Genji, I may give it a try myself. 😊 5y
rockpools @AlaMich 😊I jumped in late myself. Genji‘s a piece of work (!), but I‘m loving being in this totally different world. 5y
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CindyMyLifeIsLit
The Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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Genji‘s attitude toward women reflects (hopefully) a different age: “It is frailty that gives a woman her charm, though. I do not care for a woman who insists on valuing her own wits. I prefer someone compliant, perhaps because I myself am none too quick or self-assured—someone easy for a man to take advantage of if she is not careful,” (76). Hopefully not the sentiment of the modern man! 😁
#genji #genji4

Lindy @CindyMyLifeIsLit Yes, one would hope that it‘s not the sentiment of modern men. Unfortunately, I think some still do think that way. 5y
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llwheeler
The Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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"I had hoped, out of deference to him, to conceal these difficult matters; but I have been accused of romancing, of pretending that because he was the son of an emperor he had no faults. Now, perhaps, I shall be accused of having revealed too much." (Seidensticker translation)

I like the authorial voice chiming in too - I think this bit from the end of #genji4 corresponds to the quote you posted the other day, @lindy. #genji

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Daisey
The Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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Using the new book light I got for Christmas for some late night reading with Gandalf and really appreciating the illustrations in this edition. They show a lot of just every day kind of things that are mentioned in the story.

#Genji #Genji4 #CatsofLitsy

BookBabe Nice! That‘s the same one I have. In fact, I gave one to @MrBook for Christmas. It‘s the best reading light I‘ve tried yet! 😸 5y
Daisey @BookBabe My cousin has had one for a year or two and also says it‘s the best she‘s ever used, so she got this one for me. It‘s much better than the last one I had. 5y
MrBook 😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😻😻😻 5y
KellyHunsakerReads Can you share the details about the light? 5y
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Daisey
The Tale of Genji | Murasaki Shikibu
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This quote from page 61 of almost 1200 amused me today.

“All that makes a long story, though, so as usual I have left it out.”

#Genji #Genji4

SoniaC My version is almost 1300 pages. I should have chosen with more care 😂 5y
Daisey @SoniaC I actually didn‘t see the Washburn translation before I ordered a copy, but the description of accuracy and the footnotes were my main reasons for choosing Tyler. Choosing a translation is something I‘ve seldom considered, but I guess I will pay more attention to in the future. 5y
SoniaC @Daisey same here. I had no idea about the translations and the vast difference. I saw the Washburn one at my local bookstore and grabbed it on impulse. 5y
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