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But What If We're Wrong?
But What If We're Wrong?: Thinking About the Present As If It Were the Past | Chuck Klosterman
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We live in a culture of casual certitude. This has always been the case, no matter how often that certainty has failed. Though no generation believes theres nothing left to learn, every generation unconsciously assumes that what has already been defined and accepted is (probably) pretty close to how reality will be viewed in perpetuity. And then, of course, time passes. Ideas shift. Opinions invert. What once seemed reasonable eventually becomes absurd, replaced by modern perspectives that feel even more irrefutable and secureuntil, of course, they dont. But What If Were Wrong? visualizes the contemporary world as it will appear to those who'll perceive it as the distant past. Chuck Klosterman asks questions that are profound in their simplicity: How certain are we about our understanding of gravity? How certain are we about our understanding of time? What will be the defining memory of rock music, five hundred years from today? How seriously should we view the content of our dreams? How seriously should we view the content of television? Are all sports destined for extinction? Is it possible that the greatest artist of our era is currently unknown (orweirder stillwidely known, but entirely disrespected)? Is it possible that we overrate democracy? And perhaps most disturbing, is it possible that weve reached the end of knowledge? Kinetically slingshotting through a broad spectrum of objective and subjective problems, But What If Were Wrong? is built on interviews with a variety of creative thinkersGeorge Saunders, David Byrne, Jonathan Lethem, Kathryn Schulz, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Brian Greene, Junot Daz, Amanda Petrusich, Ryan Adams, Nick Bostrom, Dan Carlin, and Richard Linklater, among othersinterwoven with the type of high-wire humor and nontraditional analysis only Klosterman would dare to attempt. Its a seemingly impossible achievement: a book about the things we cannot know, explained as if we did. Its about how we live now, once now has become then. From the Hardcover edition.
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keithmalek
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The first third of this book is a little slow and a bit repetitive, but I strongly urge that readers stick with it, because it becomes VERY interesting.

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And by "significant," he's referring to a 9.0 earthquake, followed by a massive tsunami.

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At some point, if you live long enough, it's probably impossible to avoid seeming crazy.

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The ultimate failure of the United States will probably not derive from the problems we see or the conflicts we wage. It will more likely derive from our uncompromising belief in the things we consider unimpeachable and idealized and beautiful. Because every strength is a weakness, if given enough time.

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"If you want to amplify the value of your vote, the key is convincing other voters to stay home." That is such a fascinating way of looking at it! It reminds me of when the lottery jackpot is really huge, and everyone asks each other if they bought tickets. By reminding other people to play the lottery, all you're doing is lessening your chances even more. I'm always stunned at how many people don't realize that.

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(Continued)...implement wise social and economic policy."

(Constitutional historian Jay Wexler)

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😆

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Ohio

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This interesting comparison to boxing is one of the reasons why Klosterman thinks that football will never die, despite our increased understanding of its violence.

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(Continued)...And if that happens, football will change from a leisurely pastime to an unpopular political necessity.

(Note: Klosterman is referring here to film critic Pauline Kael)

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(Continued)... weren't necessarily rich and functional.

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I don't know anything about this show Catastrophe, but that's an interesting point about how no one on television ever laughs at anything that's funny.

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Yes! This drives me insane!

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I don't agree with this, but it's an interesting thought.

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Jonathan Lethem

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Prettytears
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“Most commercial music disappears when the generation that made it dies.."

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"But the objective world is different. Here, we traffic in literal facts—but the permanence of those facts matters less than the means by which they are generated.” 2/2

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"Everyone concedes we have the potential to be subjectively wrong about anything, as long as we don‘t explicitly name whatever that something is. Our sense of subjective reality is simultaneously based on an acceptance of abstract fallibility (“Who is to say what constitutes good art?”) and a casual certitude that we‘re right about exclusive assertions that feel like facts (“The Wire represents the apex of television”). "1/2

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“Do you unconsciously believe that Shakespeare was an objectively better playwright than his two main rivals, Christopher Marlowe and Ben Jonson? If so, have no fear—as far as the world is concerned, he was. He is remembered in a way that Marlowe and Jonson are not, particularly by those who haven‘t really thought about any of these guys, ever.
To matter forever, you need to matter to those who don‘t care. And if that strikes you as sad, be sad."

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Very interesting idea, looking at the present from a future perspective, challenging all the ideas we are so sure are true, from the true function of gravity to less important things like how will current music be perceived 100 or 500 years from now. 4 💥💥💥💥 out of 5.

Ms_T Sounds fascinating! 6y
Prettytears Just got this book, can't wait to start it😃 6y
BibliOphelia I ❤️ Klosterman! 6y
RamsFan1963 @BibliOphelia This is my first time reading Klosterman, but it won't be the last. 6y
BibliOphelia @RamsFan1963 He‘s never disappointed me! 6y
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"Travel light", I said. "Don't buy books on vacation", I said.
Whoops. ?
(Two were gifted to me... but still...)

catebutler I always fail at this too! 6y
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Starting this book today. I love using Libby. Who else enjoys Libby?

Soubhiville I use both Libby and Hoopla. I find they have different books available. I prefer the operations of Libby, but it often has waiting lists for the books I want, whereas Hoopla books are always Available with no wait. 6y
MelissaSue81 @Soubhiville - do you use them through different library systems? 6y
MelissaSue81 I love Libby 6y
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Graciouswarriorprincess @Soubhiville I use both too for the same reasons. @MelissaSue81 Yes, I have several library cards linked to my Libby account. @MelissaSue81 👍🏻😉 6y
MaureenMc Love Libby! 6y
Soubhiville @MelissaSue81 yes I have cards with two different cities. 6y
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I‘ve read all of Chuck Klosterman‘s other books and this one didn‘t disappoint. I think he has a unique way of looking at things and I always find myself thinking and talking about things from his books for a long time after I finish reading them. If something sticks with me like that, it‘s a definite plus.

Wellreadhead I‘ve been a big fan of his ever since I read Eating the Dinosaur 6y
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Schlinkles
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I love a good footnote.

dsfisher That is hysterical! 6y
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I really enjoyed this, as I do all of Klosterman‘s works. I love a good thought experiment, and that‘s all this book is. Each chapter tackles a different facet of our lives (music, movies, the night the color of a dress caused everyone to collectively lose their minds) and makes you think about it in a different way.

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“On the evening of February 26, 2015, I (along with millions of other people) experienced a cultural event that—at least for a few hours—seemed authentically unexplainable... But I still think about that night. Not because of what happened, but because of how it felt while it was transpiring.”

OMG HE‘S TALKING ABOUT THE DAMN DRESS. I vividly remember that night, thinking I was going insane. All because of the way people perceive color. Smh. 😂

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“History is defined by people who don‘t really understand what they are defining.”

This was a really fascinating and thought-provoking read! Klosterman takes a sociological look at several cultural facets, asking sometimes bizarre, but poignant questions. I particularly liked the part about authors and writing (naturally!) and the section on the US Constitution. Overall, a great read!

Reviewsbylola Sounds interesting! I‘ve read one of his other books and enjoyed it. I think it was 7y
britt_brooke @Reviewsbylola I read that one a few years ago and remember nothing about it. 😬 Think I might reread if I can grab it on audio. 7y
Billypar I liked this one- maybe my favorite Klosterman. I listened to the audio version also- at first I was disappointed it wasn't read by the author since he has such a distinctive voice but Fiona Hardingham won me over. I thought she had an interesting delivery- kinda robotic in some ways, but it fit the material really well somehow. 7y
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TheBookgeekFrau Brilliant read! 7y
britt_brooke @Billypar I felt exactly the same about the audio. 😁 7y
britt_brooke @C.Perone So interesting! 7y
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Klosterman citing #Vonnegut? I‘m in! 👏🏻 Here, he‘s referencing Vonnegut‘s statement that current technology should not be left out of writing in order to make it more accessible. Write about what matters now; reflect reality.

I‘m really enjoying this book so far! I‘m switching between #audio and #ebook, both via #overdrive.

JamieArc Interesting! I‘ve been thinking about this a lot. I seem to be reading things that refer to specific technology and wonder if it‘s a book that people will want to read years from now... 7y
britt_brooke @JamieArc Klosterman goes into a lot of detail about it in this section. I have mixed feelings about it, but I do think it would be difficult to write about present day without at least referencing a computer or smartphone, etc. Maybe generic terms can test time longer than very specific terms. Idk. It‘s an interesting topic to consider! 7y
TheBookgeekFrau I really enjoyed this book. SO much to ponder 7y
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britt_brooke @C.Perone Agree! 7y
Notafraidofwords Have you gotten to the simulation is life section? 7y
KimHM If you haven‘t already, you might try his I Wear the Black Hat next, so delightfully twisty. 7y
britt_brooke @KimHM Thanks! Just stacked it. 👍🏻👍🏻 7y
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Andrew65 😂😂😂 7y
vivastory Is this your first klosterman? 7y
britt_brooke @vivastory Second. I read Sex, Drugs and Cocoa Puffs a few years ago. 👍🏻 7y
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vivastory The only one I've read is his novel. I really enjoyed it 7y
Aswenson I used to live in tiny Wyndmere, ND where he grew up! 😁 7y
britt_brooke @vivastory I‘ll have to stack that one - thanks! 7y
britt_brooke @Aswenson Cool! 💚 7y
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mdemanatee
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#currentlistening I may be nocturnal now

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1. I get most of my books from the library where I work - both print and through Overdrive.
2. 10! My mom refers to my feet as “skis,” because they‘re so long and narrow.
3. Chips and salsa/guac/queso.
4. Parks & Rec forever!

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But what if we‘re wrong? That‘s the question Klosterman asks. I really enjoyed this nonfiction book about the ways in which we look at the past with eyes of the present. And the ways in which we look at the future with eyes of the present. Both ways lead to error. This book is very rabbit hole-ish. Yet, I liked sinking into probable scenarios. The part that talks about simulation freaked me out. Anyone ever heard of that theory?

CatchMyBookBreath LOVED this book! I love books which question my own thoughts. Thanks for the share! 👍 7y
Notafraidofwords @CatchMyBookBreath We have this book was so trippy I‘ve never heard of him but I‘m interested to read his other stuff. Did you buy the simulation theory at all? 7y
CatchMyBookBreath Lol Well, just like the book says, I can't say for sure whether it's true or false. I've heard about the theory before and the most i can hope for is that more info comes to live in the next 100-200 years and we can look back to see what ideas from today prove testable. 7y
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Notafraidofwords @CatchMyBookBreath That‘s true. I guess what would trip me up about that is that I feel very much like I have a soul and that I was created for something other than a kid playing me as a video game… Does that make sense? 7y
CatchMyBookBreath @Notafraidofwords It makes cognitive sense but... What if we're wrong? Lol (sorry, couldn't resist). For me, we just can't know either way so...what will I do with this not knowing? I believe we make our own meaning so whether some kid is playing as me, or that's some divine force, or that's no divine force , the program I'm running with still allows me to move forward in life. 7y
CatchMyBookBreath @Notafraidofwords I have met too many people who are so wrapped up in trying to determine what happens to us before and after we are alive that they forget to live. While i enjoy finding comfort in knowledge, I can't only believe in this that make me comfy. Besides, curiosity is a value I hold higher than comfort. 😊 7y
CatchMyBookBreath Lol Sorry about the novel-length reply! Glad you liked the book! What's your next read like this? 7y
Notafraidofwords @CatchMyBookBreath I might pick up another of his. I find his style of writing intriguing . I wouldn‘t want to be married to him, but don‘t mind reading him for a couple of hours. I think whatever the case might be, I think we create a life with the little that is given to us. Or for some people the much that has been giving to us. Although if this is all a simulation, it sort of explains dictators in such a different way. It‘s all so interesting 7y
JazzFeathers Sounds really inyetesting. I've seen many times, even here on litsy, judging books from past with today's eyes. It is something that really bothers me 7y
Notafraidofwords @JazzFeathers yeah, I can see that. 7y
Billypar Really liked this one too- I'm definitely a fan. This was different from the other books of essays and reviews I've read that weren't about a single theme. But I just like his writing style and how he frames his arguments - I don't even have to agree with everything to enjoy them. 7y
Notafraidofwords @Billypar yes exactly. I feel the same way. Lots of things didn‘t seem plausible but the fact that he was able to form an argument made it cool. 7y
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