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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

Book synergy - I happen also to be reading a book on walking, with some heavy discussion about such ideas as “ambulatory cerebration” - Rebecca Solnit‘s Wanderlust.
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kspenmoll Not there yet… but like what you shared as walking is my exercise & stress reliever. 15h

Lindy Lovely synergy 🚶‍♀️🧠 13h

GingerAntics This book on walking sounds lovely! I‘ve added it to my list. 12h

ravenlee @GingerAntics it‘s surprisingly good, though I admit it took a while to really get into it. So far I‘ve read three or four of Solnit‘s works, mostly feminist writings, and loved it all so much I‘ve collected much of her backlist. I highly recommend

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Lessons in Chemistry: A Novel | Bonnie Garmus

January #20in4 #readathon #January27toJanuary30 #2023

Books I hope to continue reading this weekend! #Pemberlittens #Middlemarch #bookclub #literarycrew #shortstories #mystery #deadphilosopherssociety #Plato

BarkingMadRead, TheBookHippie, Librarybelle, MicrobeMom, GingerAntics, ravenlee

MicrobeMom Thank you for the tag! I am going to check out this readathon! My first was very successful! 3d

Librarybelle Good luck!! 3d

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

Is humanism obsolete?!
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GingerAntics As a humanist, as someone who whole heartedly believes in an “ethical theory and practice that emphasizes reason, scientific inquiry, and human fulfillment in the natural world,” I don‘t think this will EVER be obsolete. I don‘t understand how anyone could think it is obsolete, and more so, I think our ability to continue to make “palpable progress” as a human collective, we NEED humanism. We‘re not getting anywhere without it. 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Altruism, humanism it matters or we perish. Every thing you said is 💯💯💯💯! 7d

ravenlee Well, what else can I say? What @GingerAntics and @TheBookHippie said. 7d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I think altruism leads to humanism, and humanism leads to altruism. They‘re almost flip sides of the same coin. When you throw one out, you can‘t help but toss the other. That would actually explain quite a lot of what has become of religion. 7d

GingerAntics @ravenlee lol sorry 7d

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

Does philosophy still matter? Did it ever really matter?
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GingerAntics Yes and yes. I think it matters more than people give it credit for. It has probably never been hugely important to the masses, but then a lot of people don‘t contemplate philosophical questions. They simply accept the philosophical answers given to them by religious leaders and/or politicians (probably the last people anyone should trust on any philosophical issue). 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics CLEARLY. If more people were philosophical instead of controlled by a set religion that doesn‘t evolve… the world would be better. These fools think they know god and have figured Her out… your faith should evolve just like science and philosophy and life experience. God in a box all figured out isn‘t God it‘s an idol. 7d

ravenlee Yes, though the majority of people are uncomfortable with uncertainty and therefore avoid philosophical speculation. They want ANSWERS that MAKE SENSE and tell them how to live their lives. They turn to religion, where someone will tell them what to do/not do, how to behave and believe, who to hate and blame, what happens after death…philosophy makes us question all the easy answers. 7d

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ravenlee But for those of us who reject the easy answers, philosophy gives us a way to reframe our thinking and focus our confusion and curiosity. 7d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that! Evangelicals say catholics worship idols because they have statues in their churches and homes, but evangelicals are no different. They images they hold dear are simply in their heads. 7d

GingerAntics @ravenlee oh, I love that. Religion is the easy answers, philosophy is the harder (and I would argue more fulfilling) path. 7d

GingerAntics @ravenlee I like this idea of channelling our curiosity and confusion. 7d

TheBookHippie @ravenlee 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 7d

ravenlee 🥰 7d

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

Will science eventughy answer all the questions of philosophy? Is this a philosophical question?
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GingerAntics I don‘t think so. I think as philosophical questions find answers, there are just new questions to take their place. It‘s like Maslow‘s hierarchy of needs. As the simpler questions get answered, progressively more complex questions naturally pose themselves. There is no end to that, because there is no end to human curiosity. 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Exactly it‘s two things ever evolving and changing ! 7d

ravenlee I love how you put that @GingerAntics - there‘s no end to the possible questions, so as science answers what‘s been asked someone will ask something new. Kind of like being around a toddler… 7d

GingerAntics @ravenlee maybe philosophers are just people who never grew out of that stage. 7d

kspenmoll @GingerAntics 😉😀 6d

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

Has, there been “palpable progress” in philosophy since Plato? Why or why not?
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TheBookHippie I think so. People who truly study it have evolved it, the practices of it are ever evolving and bettering IMO. 😅 7d

ravenlee Wouldn‘t we need some sort of ruler to be able to measure “palpable progress?” There has been a lot of “philosophy” since ancient Greece, but whether it constitutes progress or not is a loaded question. I‘d say yes, but I‘d be hard pressed to really provide evidence to that effect. 7d

GingerAntics @ravenlee that‘s where I was. The processes haven‘t changed much, but maybe that‘s because they weren‘t written down until they‘d been tweaked, so there have only been little tweaks between then and now. Science has a built in ruler. Philosophy doesn‘t. 7d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I think the questions we ask have certainly evolved over time. 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics For sure. 7d

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

What is the difference between philosophy and science? Could philosophy be a science? What would that look like?
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MicrobeMom I am a microbiology professor at a small university is the liberal arts traditional. I once had a discuss with one of our philosophers that told me science was a philosophy. Not sure I agree but then again I think like a scientist and philosophy was never really my thing. 7d

TheBookHippie I believe science is a philosophy as in its ever changing and you learn more and more and that makes you change and adapt the science just like your beliefs in philosophy or the more the philosophy reveals. Both are constant change. 7d

ravenlee Science and philosophy are both systems of questioning, right? In science we want to question to push our understanding ever further, to confirm or refute what we see or believe. Philosophy also wants to question what we see, though the methods definitely differ. I‘d say, rather than one=the other, that they are siblings, or maybe cousins. 7d

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GingerAntics @ravenlee oh, I like this idea. They‘re in the same family, but their not identical twins or anything. 7d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I never thought of this question in the realm of constant change from all the question asking. Evangelicals don‘t like either science or philosophy, so they‘re alike in that way as well. 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics to be Jewish is to question probably why I prefer Judaism . Evangelicals have questions answered for them 😵‍💫. I think questions and constant change make it all relative 🤣😅. 7d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie lord, I think it‘s more than just evangelicals. That‘s the catholic world as well. So basically anything that‘s Protestant/catholic adjacent is as well. 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 7d

kspenmoll These are great insights. I am behind, but hope to catch up. My husband is having a stent put in his heart Thursday because he had a mild heart attack recently. So I am immersed in his world right now. @TheBookHippie @ravenlee @MicrobeMom @GingerAntics (edited) 6d

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll Oh Katherine! Sending you so much love and a great big hug!! 5d

kspenmoll @TheBookHippie I can feel that hug & love.🥰 (edited) 5d

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll ♥️♥️♥️ 5d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I‘m so sorry to hear that!!! Big hugs and all the love!!! We will totally be your philosophical comic relief when you need it!!! 🧡🧡🧡 4d

kspenmoll @TheBookHippie @ravenlee @MicrobeMom @GingerAntics My husband got thru with flying colors! I did read some last night & came up with some passages I could not figure out- will post tomorrow. Thanks for all your support. 🥰 3d

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll Oh I‘m so very happy to read this!!! Yay! 3d

MicrobeMom @kspenmoll Yay! I am happy that your husband‘s procedure went well!! Positive vibes for a quick easy recovery! 3d

ravenlee Oh my goodness @kspenmoll I just saw all this! I‘m glad he‘s doing well and hope that continues. 3d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I‘m so happy!!! It‘s wonderful to hear he is doing well. I hope it‘s all smooth sailing from here. 9h

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

Is Philosophy on the fringe? The fringe of what?
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TheBookHippie Currently it seems as if it is the fringe like Hippies and witches and the like, it seems to be a fringe as artist, musician, creatives seems to be as well? Still thinking but it reminds me of the book burning the dumbing down of education the no access to it so as you don‘t think so therefore you‘re easier to control so this is labeled as fringe ??? 🤷🏻‍♀️ pondering all of this clearly. 7d

ravenlee Agree with @TheBookHippie - the fringe is anyone who doesn‘t conform to the accepted rules/roles/ideas. Philosophy, by definition, is a questioning of everything, therefore it must be fringe. 7d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that‘s all a really good point. It‘s fringe for some, but in reality, these are things everyone thinks about. You can either accept being given answers without ever thinking about it, or you can think about them and discover your own answers. 7d

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GingerAntics @ravenlee oh, I really like that! 7d

TheBookHippie @ravenlee Exactly. 7d

kspenmoll @ravenlee I like your thinking re: fringe/philosophy 6d

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

philosophy simply 2100 years of footnotes to Plato? Why or why not?
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GingerAntics I sure hope not. lol 7d

TheBookHippie I wonder if evangelicals demanding and teaching it is evil and you will burn if you even read it has had an affect??? 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I sure hope not either.. 7d

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ravenlee If you look at the history of philosophy as a torch or baton being handed directly from one thinker to another, then I can see the point. That is a Eurocentric view, though. If we factor in any other traditions, or even philosophers who weren‘t trained/taught but came into their ideas independently, I think we can have a broader picture. 7d

GingerAntics @ravenlee I think that broader view is really important. I‘m hoping she touches on that at some point. 7d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie 😂 I‘m thinking not. They‘re really just bringing more attention to it. They think they‘re getting people not to read philosophy, but anyone who is dumb enough to listen to their nonsense is quite outnumbered by those who get their start in philosophy by rebelling against evangelicalism by reading philosophy. 7d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics AGREE with that theory. 7d

ravenlee @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I find it pretty amusing to picture some teenager reading Plato on the sly, the forbidden fruit that starts the big revolt. Hiding it under the mattress like Playboy…I mean, I love it! But it‘s funny. (edited) 7d

TheBookHippie @ravenlee I snuck to the public library to read it so there's that! 7d

ravenlee @TheBookHippie psst! Buddy - wanna buy some hot Republic action? Got a real slick copy here! 7d

TheBookHippie @ravenlee 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫🤣🤣🤣🤣 7d

kspenmoll @ravenlee Plato with a flaslight under the covers!😂 6d

kspenmoll @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @ravenlee You will be so pleased to know that an Evangelist Church from Brooklyn NY has bought a Church right next to me so I can hear them every Sunday etc especially when I am on my porch in Spring. Feels like noise pollution already just thinking of it. 6d

ravenlee @kspenmoll 🤢I‘m so sorry to hear that. 6d

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll 🤮😫😵‍💫 oh. Dear. 5d

GingerAntics @ravenlee that is the greatest mental image ever!!! A playboy (or perhaps a play girl!) covering Plato‘s Republic. 😂🤣😂 4d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll god speed with those nuts!!! 4d

GingerAntics @ravenlee @TheBookHippie @kspenmoll this is officially the greatest discussion yet!!! 4d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 🤣🤣🤣👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 4d

ravenlee @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @kspenmoll this is why I love it here 😍😆 4d

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Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away | Rebecca Goldstein

Well, that came out of nowhere…so to speak. 😆

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Susanita * blinks * 1w

ravenlee Incidentally, I had a college boyfriend who majored in philosophy and he…well, let‘s just say this reminded me of him. 🤣 1w

Suet624 Wow! It sure did! 1w

TheBookHippie @ravenlee 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 7d

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