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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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How is it going, ladies? Anyone else troubled that E. Coli can SMELL YOU?! I wonder if probiotics can sense when you‘re about to take them? Do they get lonely when I forget to take them for a while? The poor dears.
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kspenmoll 😂😂😂 lonely probiotics! 5d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I know. I feel so bad for them. Don‘t tell them I can‘t find them right now. 5d

AlaSkaat I somehow lost the book. Where / how ??? but new one is coming tomorrow so I shall get back to this haha 4d

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GingerAntics @AlaSkaat oh my, really? That‘s horrible! I hate when that happens. Of course, as soon as the new one arrives, the original copy will appear. lol It‘s a law of physics or something. You got this. You‘re going awesome! 3d

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat it didn‘t arrive with like an alternate cover or something, did it? 3d

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics unfortunately I did not find the lost book. Where it could be I have absolutely no idea. I haven‘t lost a book in like… a week. I‘m kidding lol. But seriously it just disappeared! The new one came in good shape so I‘m back to reading 📖 3d

AlaSkaat I did find this book for free on Archive online, but I prefer physical copies for this, especially if I‘m to mark something interesting 3d

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat totally agree that adding notes is easier in physical copies. 100% I‘m glad you got your new copy. Perhaps someone saw it, thought it looked interesting, and wandered off with it. You have inadvertently spread knowledge. Good work! 3d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

So next time you get food poisoning, just know that it smelled you coming!
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kspenmoll Thanks for the humor!!!😂 5d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I found this fact to get terrifying!!! 5d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

A good description of philosophy, if a bit counterintuitive.
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GingerAntics I feel like that‘s a bit reductionist. That is certainly SOME philosophy. To say it is largely like that is an over generalisation at the least. 1w

ravenlee @GingerAntics it is reductionist, but I feel like it‘s reductionist in a way to simplify for accessibility. As opposed to depicting philosophy as a bunch of loners engaged in never-ending navel-gazing while the world spins out of control beyond the ivory tower. It makes it feel, to me, like philosophy is something everybody can and does do. 1w

GingerAntics @ravenlee that‘s fair 1w

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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Scuba Diving Philosophy. Thoughts so far?
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kspenmoll I had to read slowly & felt I could note the whole chapter but I broke it down to a few thoughts that spoke to me. What the author writes of & his ocean world is totally new to me. 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll yeah, I was actually worried at first it wasn‘t philosophy, but he brought it around beautifully. I think this book is going to be an awesome adventure. I like the linking of the ocean world and ours. 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I even ended up looking up octopus eyes. lol 2w

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AlaSkaat My questions from last week were answered, haha 2w

AlaSkaat I forgot how much I liked biology, especially when it‘s in this form! I think I will enjoy this one. I can‘t say I know much about it though, but basically the octopus is a fluke? lol. Went down the wrong line maybe 2w

AlaSkaat An intelligent alien. - I‘m still confused. Does he mean the octopus can experience things as we can? Dolphins and such are very smart… but do they have consciousness? Can they ‘observe‘ the world? 🤷‍♀️ 2w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat the dolphin brain comes from the same place our brain does, evolutionarily. The octopus brain evolved from a different line. So its brain is fundamentally unique from all other intelligent brains on earth. That‘s what I got from the intelligent alien comment. 2w

AlaSkaat Aa that makes sense. Looking forward to reading more about that 2w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat it is a truly unique perspective to think about… consciousness through octopi. 2w

ravenlee @AlaSkaat Dolphins have passed the mirror test, a standard test for self-awareness, and demonstrate long-term learning strategies. Without being able to communicate with them about their intellectual lives, that might be as close as we can get to saying they have consciousness. 1w

ravenlee @GingerAntics I like that the author is using philosophy to make the science more accessible, and the science to make the philosophy more accessible. Tying together two intimidating specialties in a way that both become less off-putting. 1w

GingerAntics @ravenlee the dolphins taking the mirror test is also beyond adorable! 100% agree about the accessibility point. He‘s really brought in a sense of wonder for all of it. It‘s wonderful! It‘s fun to read. 1w

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GingerAntics

Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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Let‘s call this discussion 0.5, because I‘m not sure what we can discuss from the page/page and a half that was the (edit) epigraph. If you haven‘t started yet, you are not even close to behind yet. lol It‘s literally two quotes. No worries.
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kspenmoll My library edition, 2016 has no epilogue, just a half page of 2 quotes. Is that what you mean or is there a newer edition? (edited) 3w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I have the 2016 digital edition. It starts with a quote from William James and then has one from Roland Dixon. It‘s an epigraph, not an epilogue. I missed that before. 3w

AlaSkaat I‘m not sure if I‘m still hangover from the wedding I attended on Saturday, but I do not understand that first quote at all! lol. 3w

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GingerAntics @AlaSkaat it‘s a complicated sort of strolling quote. I‘m not sure I understand it either. I have a feeling the book itself will give us more information, and possibly explain it indirectly. I don‘t think it‘s all that important. 3w

ravenlee @AlaSkaat I think (part of) what James is saying is that it‘s lazy scholarship/philosophy/science to say “wow, this ability/adaptation just appeared out of nowhere! That‘s so weird!” It‘s our responsibility to look from different angles to find the precursor(s) to less-obvious phenomena. 1w

GingerAntics @ravenlee very valid point! 1w

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GingerAntics

Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

I meant to post this earlier in the week, but our first “discussion” for this is tomorrow. We are just reading the epigraph, so if you don‘t have your copy yet, it‘s nothing to worry about.
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TheBookHippie Just got my library hold!! 3w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie perfect timing! 3w

DrSabrinaMoldenReads It‘s on Kindle Unlimited if anyone else has that 2w

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TheBookHippie In a flare currently which is annoying. Hoping to get to this tomorrow! 1w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh no! I hope you feel better soon. 1w

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics just very achy and tired and annoyed.. big storm hitting today so I imagine the barometric pressure did me in 1w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie another one? I swear, every week we‘re getting blasted again. 1w

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

The first day is 3 weeks, but 4 Sundays away. The epigraph looks like it‘s about 2 pages, so that shouldn‘t be too bad if someone can‘t get this book until the following week.

2 Feb - Epigraph
9 Feb - Meetings Across the Tree of Life
16 Feb - A History of Animals
23 Feb - Mischief and Craft
2 Mar - From White Noise to Consciousness
9 Mar - Making Colors
16 Mar - Our Minds and Others
23 Mar - Experience Compressed
30 Mar - Octopolis

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TheBookHippie Looks good! 1mo

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie how did you see that so fast?! 1mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics just logged in 🤣 I just put it on hold hopefully it arrives soon. 1mo

kspenmoll I will check this book out-see if library has it. 1mo

ravenlee Ok, I‘ll give this a try. I was getting all confused because Litsy wasn‘t showing it as read but I thought I had…I did read this about five years ago. I liked it but don‘t remember it and still have it, so I guess it‘s time. 1mo

AlaSkaat Looks good. I‘ll try getting the book by end of this month 1mo

kspenmoll I just got my library hold in so i am set! 3w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll so did @TheBookHippie! Both of your libraries have brilliant timing! I love that they both came in at the same time. 3w

DrSabrinaMoldenReads @GingerAntics I‘m in. Will there be discussions? I‘m never sure how this works. (edited) 2w

GingerAntics @DrSabrinaMoldenReads we started this week. I used to do questions, but we‘re trying a more open style this time. I post on Sunday sometime and we discuss what we want to discuss. 2w

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

This also sounds fun. Let me know if you‘d rather read this (or something like it). This seems like it might be a bit more upbeat… which I feel like we need these days.
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TheBookHippie Yes!!!!!! 1mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie doesn‘t this sound fun? Plus the cover is gorgeous! 1mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics yes!!!! It looks so good. 1mo

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AlaSkaat This sounds a lot more interesting and less daunting! 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat that‘s what I thought! 1mo

AlaSkaat When do you guys think of starting? 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat that‘s going to be my next question. Do we want to start later in January or wait for February? 1mo

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics February would be ideal for me, but I‘m open to anything 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat February 2nd is the first Sunday, and that actually gives us 4 Sundays between now and then, so everyone would have time to get a copy and what not. 1mo

AlaSkaat Works for me. How would we do it this time? I read one of your comments where you said questions were hard to come up with, we could try something easier ? 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I‘m thinking either just open the discussion, maybe have one question to start things. I thought about opening it up so if anyone had something they wanted to discuss they could post it and we could all join in. In the Shakespeare group we just had a post and it was a discussion free for all. That wouldn‘t be so bad. 1mo

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics yeah, we can try doing that 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I feel like the conversations are more organic that way and they‘re easier to have. You just kind of jump in. If a topic gets a ton of traction or something, we could make a separate post for it just to keep things organised if we needed to. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 1mo

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics That sounds good. We‘ll see how the discussions go next time 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat if it doesn‘t work, we can always go back or try something else. I‘m always open to ideas. 1mo

kspenmoll My son thinks he has this- now to find it in his extensive somewhat chaotic library!!!! 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll love that! Fingers crossed you can find it! 1mo

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Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will | Robert M. Sapolsky

We talked about reading this in January, but I don‘t know how we‘re all feeling about this after the Sam Harris book.
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TheBookHippie I cannot 😩 1mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I‘ve been having the same thought. 1mo

ravenlee I got it recently and want to read it, but not immediately. I think it has to be an improvement, right? Also, “science” is a good sign that it won‘t just be incoherent ramblings. I think. I hope. 1mo

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The Philosophy Book | Dorling Kindersley Publishing Staff

This sounds like us…
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kspenmoll Love this!!!! 2mo

GingerAntics Even with that flashlight, you‘re never finding that cat. That‘s just cats for ya. 2mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I saw it and had to share. 2mo

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TheBookHippie Omg 🖤🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣DEAD ON!!!! Lolololol. 2mo

julesG 😂😂😂 Spot on!!! 2mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll @TheBookHippie @julesG I knew this was the perfect image for this group. It just took some doing to get Litsy to actually let me post it. Oof 2mo

AlaSkaat At this point I feel like we‘ve been reading metaphysics with all those questions that always come up but no answers to them! 2mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I think that last one definitely left so many questions unanswered. Harris is known for the nonsense. That‘s as my second Sam Harris book, and my last 2mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat in all fairness, we have been reading a lot about what is real and what is not, so yeah, we‘ve been doing a lot of metaphysics. 2mo

ravenlee Right on the nose! (Boop) 2mo

GingerAntics @ravenlee the (boop) is perfection! 2mo

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