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Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Estes

In previous chapters we read about learning to trust ourselves, then this sentence appears! It is a terrifying perspective for those of us who have lived with domestic violence- but in a specific context it is most likely a vital truth. The context of fear, trust and safety- and how do we ever find it after the death of that experience? That is when we have to discern between fear because of danger vs fear because of trauma. Thoughts?

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Chrissyreadit In a slightly different context- have you ever been afraid of what being in a relationship would mean for you? 1w

Chrissyreadit Relationships become tricky for many reasons- but do mean that there is a joining by nature- that can make one stronger and safer- Has it ever been scary to transition in and/or out of relationships? 1w

Chrissyreadit I can honestly say that I have probably avoided some men I should have dated and dated some men I should have avoided… Now i am focusing on my relationship with myself. 1w

GingerAntics I was troubled by this. It felt like a complete 180. 1w

BookwormAHN I get the idea behind this statement but it just seems wrong. Relationships can be tricky but when something deep down tells you to run you run. And Chrissy good for you 💗 1w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

Sedna is mentioned in the first part of this chapter so i thought i would share the Goddess card reflection of her I have. If you read it I would be curious to hear how it was received or impacted your thoughts in relation to this chapter and yourself.

AnnCrystal I love this! Sedna was one of the first I read about when I began researching my own Ancestral World.

My ancestors are from Arizona, grandma of my mom's mother.

But I consider the whole of the Americas as my Ancestral World.

This was fascinating for me. Not the tragic of the story, because is felt equal in the extraordinary elements to the tales I read from other “outside“ cultures. From Greece, Nordic, Egypt, Asian, etc.

Epic 👏🏼🤩👍🏼💝💝. (edited) 1w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

My responses are leaving high school, endings of friendships, home the way i lived in it and going to college, then leaving college and going to work- then end of childhood and beginning of adulting…. and of course life after divorce - This cycle does play out in numerous ways through life experiences.

TheBookHippie I worked in locked units-I left it when my daughter was 3 -I just couldn‘t risk myself -I loved it so, but I switched to locked Alzheimer‘s units -at the time this was normal.. I did this for a long time but had to quit when pregnant with my son, when I switched over to education and reading literacy advocacy. All things that were bittersweet. 1w

GingerAntics The only thing this brought to mind to me was genuine childhood. When I hit puberty, a lot of my hopes were dashed… so it wasn‘t necessarily a happier/better beginning, but I think it‘s getting there for me. 1w

nanuska_153 I changed my speciality a couple times, I get the feeling that I need to learn something new from time to time and I switch.Currently trying to change from being the door that everyone knocks when they have a Property Law question to start from 0 in Criminal Law. It's always scary because I like to be considered an expert and it's tough to go through the stress of not knowing how to do your job,but if I feel I can't grow anymore I have to leave. 1w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

This chapter was interesting- It seemed to have a significant overlap with parts work as well as shadow work. The part that gives up, the part that gets distracted, the part that perseveres… I can relate to all of it. The concept of shadow work is in accepting the parts of ourselves we are uncomfortable with. Through a somatic lens it‘s recognizing the body and brain want us to be safe. My ADHD brain is better suited to some tasks!

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Chrissyreadit I know there are times i‘ve had to be stern with myself, use timers and trackers as well as ask for help and grace. This activity is a great example! I love it- but reading, then writing questions all require my focus more than most tasks- and Sometimes it feels overwhelming- and i‘m easily distracted. But once i start i‘m all in!!! 3w

TheBookHippie No. And people get so upset that this is true of me 🫠😝😅🫣 … 3w

Cuilin Ugh ADHD here too. I go between hating this about myself and then other times completely just accepting it and going with the flow. (And if that is not an indicator of being ADHD, I don‘t know what is lol) but I‘m tired of carrying the shame and guilt. 3w

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kspenmoll Please do not,try not to feel shame, guilt. It‘s such a struggle,I know.My mom had our family very organized- school, homework, rotating work chart-I learned to be open about my ADD but it is easy at work as I work with spec ed students-also, much of my family is similar.The ability to hyper focus is a gift- losing things or leaving them behind is not! but the Tile app is my best friend for finding keys, wallet, even my kindle !!!! 2w

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll my daughter struggles too. 1w

TheBookHippie @Cuilin I think so many creative people have ADHD. It just makes you you … 1w

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll what is the tile app 1w

kspenmoll @TheBookHippie Tile has new name https://www.life360.com/tile-trackers/products/combo-packs 1w

kspenmoll @TheBookHippie I “lose” my phone all over the resource room, etc at work. I just hit the tile button attachment on my key chain. I have one stuck to my kindle, in my wallet, etc. they come in all sizes. Best Buy carries them I think as well as mail order. Not cheap but you can get replacement batteries for some. (edited) 1w

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll thanks!!! 1w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

Sorry- I am definitely a week or so behind.
I do believe names are important- and are why people have nicknames, change their name, use a married name or keep their name from birth. I personally love hearing how people came by their names too. I think names may speak about who we are- there are people who shorten their name and people who use completed names- go by formal address or first names. It all helps us start the conversation.

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Chrissyreadit It is also telling when people purposely use the wrong name or title. 3w

TheBookHippie @Chrissyreadit it‘s abusive when they refuse to use your name. 3w

TheBookHippie So what schedule should we use? It‘s chapter 5 for this current week yes? 3w

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Chrissyreadit @TheBookHippie yes i will work on questions for next week for chapter 5 3w

TheBookHippie @Chrissyreadit perfect! 3w

TheBookHippie Names have power. Especially for women. And the Ms Miss Mrs thing is a tool of the patriarchy. 3w

BookwormAHN @TheBookHippie I so agree. Also is it just me or is it weird when you get switched from a Miss to Ma'am by the people working at Walmart? 3w

dabbe I am soooooo behind! 😩 3w

ravenlee One of the things about my husband‘s family (him included) that has baffled me for 20 years is that they‘re weird about names. Hub‘s sister is rarely called by her name, just her first initial (which is mine, too, and confused me at first). The cat my MIL had when I met hubby, the cat who loved him and despised me, was never called by her name (Ivy), but was any number of insulting nicknames, including “GrayFat.” 👇🏻 2w

ravenlee Everything and everybody has some weird pseudonym, and it has taken me years to sort out who they‘re talking about. I still don‘t get some of them. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 2w

kspenmoll I am behind reading. What chapter are we on? Apologies everyone! Been in a reading slump. Oops just saw this week is ch.4 Despite not having read this ch. I do believe names have power. I was named for my paternal grandmother & I feel a kinship with her & her life story despite the fact she was dead before I was born. There are so many instances of names & the power they hold. (edited) 2w

TheBookHippie @BookwormAHN it‘s an insult! 2w

nanuska_153 I'm really behind with my reading for work reasons, but I do think names hold power and identity, that's why in concentration camps they switched their names for numbers. It's so alien to me also that some women change their surnames when married, it's not a thing in Spain so when I moved to Ireland it really shocked me.I read it is inherited from a time when women didn't have capacity so they went from being under the guardianship of the father⬇️ 1w

nanuska_153 to the husband. My surname is Armenian, my grandparents escaped during the genocide, so I can't imagine giving it up and erasing them and that part of me from history. It's part of who I am and where I came from, why would I change it for my husband's history? 1w

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GingerAntics

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

This sounds like what it feels like to have ADHD… but for everything. I wonder if that means ADHD people are never having deep spirituality or something. lol
#ClarissaPinkolaEstes #WomenWhoRunWithTheWolves @Chrissyreadit @CaroPi, @Cuilin, @TheBookHippie, @Deblovestoread, @zezeki, @BookwormAHN, @PathfinderNicole, @ravenlee, @dabbe, @ElizaMarie, @ImperfectCJ, @nanuska_153, @nosufoxes, @lil1inblue

Bookwomble ADHD can come in the flavour of intense focus that's hard to disengage from, so perhaps us ADHDers can enter altered states of consciousness more easily in certain circumstances 🤔 3w

Cuilin @GingerAntics @Bookwomble I can certainly get into zen “flow” as an ADHDer. I just can‘t predict or schedule when it will happen. 3w

Bookwomble @Cuilin Yep! 😏 3w

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Deblovestoread As a mother who raised an ADHD son I can verify that if the activity was something he liked he could would be all in if the timing was right. Put a fishing pole in his hands it was the most zen thing I ever saw. 3w

GingerAntics @Bookwomble @Cuilin @Deblovestoread I had forgotten the flow state we can slip into so well… good point. 3w

Bookwomble @GingerAntics 😊🫂 3w

dabbe @Bookwomble I see this emoji a lot, but I can't make out what it is with my old eyes. What is this? 🫂 3w

Bookwomble @dabbe Two people hugging in a non-sexual, consensual and supportive fashion 😊 3w

dabbe @Bookwomble I LOVE it! What's it called so I can find it? I've tried looking under “heart“, but it doesn't come up. 3w

Bookwomble @dabbe Search emojis for "hug" ?? 3w

dabbe @Bookwomble Yay! Thank you! 🫂 3w

Chrissyreadit One of my favorite books on ADHD is ADHD 2.0 I know that there were so many things i could not understand about myself until the past few years and that book has been a great tool. Also Breathework. On a more personal thought- The co morbidity of ADHD and CPTSD would be someone who is always alert but unable to sink in for fear of losing alertness of environment. I think when we feel safe and interested magic can happen. 3w

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit I wasn‘t aware of the comorbidity between ADHD and CPTSD… but that makes SO much sense to me. I‘ll have to go look this up. 3w

Chrissyreadit @GingerAntics It‘s not that there is common comorbidity- it‘s the when there is co morbidity- yes look up!!! I could have a huge convo about ADHD- that i considere a superpower- until i became sick AND developed PTSD- everything became challenging…. 3w

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit oh, I‘ve had PTSD since my childhood. I just never thought of them together. 3w

Chrissyreadit @GingerAntics - that‘s why i was thinking you are not experiencing just ADHD- you have neurodivergence and trauma. It‘s a lot to look at- but most of all your body and brain is in a survival loop- and trauma can keep you emotionally responding in a way that made sense when you were actively living in trauma…. just stuff to explore- and i think you will find it good to explore and find strategies that make sense for you ❤️ 3w

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit girl, you are speaking my language… though I may still be actively living in trauma. We‘ll see how much of a home health nurse I am come Tuesday. Sigh 3w

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Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

I think about how we all have our own perspectives and often struggle to see a big picture or accept other perspectives as valid. I would love to be able to feel grounded more often with clearer understanding of situations.

AmyG Same, probably, for all of us. Just takes more work, more awareness and being present. And listening fully to others. (edited) 4w

TheBookHippie I think we all struggle to think it‘s valid -so I switched to this is valid for them. Unless hateful- I don‘t generally care… I think it‘s very important to not dismiss lived experience- especially from someone marginalised. 4w

TheBookHippie I generally feel grounded. Especially in chaos -so I‘m doing fairly better than most in this current regime. Also being in social justice a long time helps. Peace within with chaos outside is the way to live. 4w

Cuilin I really embrace other people‘s opinions, I think having children who are very much of their generation has led me to explore and grow. I love learning I love hearing what other people have to say. For example, I am not a Taylor Swift fan, but I‘ve enjoyed watching people break down the new album and the lyrics both those who hated it and those who love it I find it fascinating. (edited) 4w

ravenlee I like the idea that the fiery skull shows what is behind the persona. It burns away the façade and allows us to see who someone truly is. I‘d like to think sometimes it‘s for the better, but generally not. 3w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

We often have “a feeling” but do not know how to respond. Have you ever questioned your intuition? I know that my intuition is often right but sometimes i ignore it because it is “inconvenient “.

AmyG I have been working on listening to my intuition more. How many times, in hindsight, have I realized I should have been listening to myself. But sometimes intuition is a fleeting thought proven correct all along. For me, it‘s trying to be aware of those. 4w

TheBookHippie Anytime I have not trusted my intuition or put it aside to avoid conflict- I have paid dearly. I don‘t do that anymore. Using No. As a complete sentence has helped me immensely. 4w

Cuilin @TheBookHippie Yes no is a complete sentence. Definitely works. I also like to use the pause. I literally say nothing but just keep looking, slightly quizzical. It makes people very uncomfortable, and they start filling in the gap themselves. Yeah, always go with your intuition. 4w

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TheBookHippie @Cuilin oh I‘m going to use that. Thank you. ♥️ 4w

Kerrbearlib @TheBookHippie same! 4w

Kerrbearlib I didn‘t used to listen to my intuition because I was taught not to trust it. I‘ve since realized society brainwashes people, especially women, to not trust our intuition. I think this quote from Controlling People sums it up perfectly: “many people have learned to distrust their own intuition and everyone else's, too. It was not so long ago that those who listened to their intuition were called witches and warlocks.” I trust my intuition now.

Controlling People: How to Recognize, Understand, and Deal With People Who Try to Control You

ravenlee I feel like this could have a whole separate discussion about menopause/pre-menopause. As a “woman of a certain age,” there‘s a lot of question as to whether any of this is physical or mental/emotional. 3w

Chrissyreadit @Kerrbearlib Yes!!! 3w

Chrissyreadit @ravenlee We can‘t win either- because everything is our fault. I was gaslit for almost a decade and it was perimenopause and menopause- combined with EDS it‘s all excruciating- 3w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

This is something that lives in my thoughts all the time… We are being fear mongered about immigrants.. vaccines… books…and because our brains are hard wired to seek safety it is easy for some people to give in to the fear mongering. In the end Baba Yaga was the provider of safety….

AmyG With all the fear mongering in our news, I have had moments of “fearful doubt”? I recently got vaccines and for a hot minute I felt fear. But I was able to tell myself, listen to myself, that this is science and nothing to fear. 4w

AmyG I also want to add….if someone I don‘t fully trust is trying to help me…well, that makes it more difficult to accept the help. 4w

TheBookHippie I was raised to question everything never take anything at face value. Especially the news, especially those in power. 4w

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TheBookHippie So fear of reaction to a vaccine or drug -yes -but only because I do have multiple medication allergies. It‘s a leap of faith for new things that they‘ll do more good than harm. Otherwise not that I can think of. 4w

Cuilin As an immigrant myself living in America, yeah I‘ve been full of fear a lot lately. It‘s definitely affecting my health. A few years ago, I was in a coffee shop and somebody said something to me about not being American and then ended it with, but you‘re the right type of immigrant so you‘re OK. Like WTF? They really thought that last line made things better. 4w

ravenlee There‘s so much fear of the unknown, fear of the different. It‘s particularly bad now, but it‘s not a recent phenomenon. People in general are afraid of what they do not understand. Sometimes that fear is protective, but it almost cuts off our realm of experience if we never push past it. 3w

Chrissyreadit @AmyG I do think as women it is much harder to trust the medical profession. 3w

Chrissyreadit @TheBookHippie knowing what we know of history it‘s a wonder we can trust anything at all…. 3w

Chrissyreadit @Cuilin I did not realize you are an immigrant! That definitely gives you a different perspective about so much of what is happening now. And Rascim is ugly- and Rascists are currently emboldened…. 3w

Chrissyreadit @Cuilin What are some ways you are caring for yourself? 3w

Chrissyreadit @ravenlee Yes- but also i feel like fear is being groomed and weaponized- and courage is not part of the equation. Especially for fox news watchers. 3w

Cuilin @Chrissyreadit Thanks for asking. I‘ve had some health issues which has kept me home quite a bit for the last two years and I‘m sure all of that is exacerbating my fear. I‘m doing better, getting daily exercise, eating right, etc 3w

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Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

I have always felt a bit of connection to Baba Yaga. When my daughter was little she would ask me which disney princess i was and i always told her i was Baba Yaga. I believed deeply in the wisdom of the crone and fear mongering of witches….

TheBookHippie In my personal post I wrote of how I grew up with this story. I have always loved her. 4w

Cuilin All I knew honestly was from children‘s books like Tomie DePaola. I enjoyed these stories though. 4w

lil1inblue I've got to play catch-up! I don't want to say I got stuck on Chapter 2, but I needed to take it in small bits because it got heavy. I'm hoping to get to Chapter 3 this weekend! I do remember hearing about Baba Yaga from my 4th grade teacher, Mrs. Abrams (she was THE BEST), but I don't remember a lot of details. 4w

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GingerAntics I had never heard of her before this… at least not by the name. 4w

dabbe I'm with @lil1inblue. Chapter 2 was a LOT to digest. Never heard of Baba Yaga either ... can't wait to read about her! 🧡 4w

ravenlee I didn‘t grow up with Baba Yaga exactly, but I encountered the stories sometime in my adolescence. Now I‘m starting to think about elements of the BY/Vasilisa stories in books I‘ve read. For instance, Ilona Andrews incorporates Vasilisa into the Kate Daniels world (specifically the Roman novella Sanctuary), Patricia Briggs‘ Mercy Thompson series features a Baba Yaga who is involved in MLM sales… 3w

ravenlee …and I‘m starting to wonder if the heroine of Katherine Arden‘s Small Spaces is a Vasilisa. Well, I had an amazing literature mentor who leaned heavily into Jung/Campbell/Frye archetypes and I‘ve been conditioned to find archetypes in literature! 😆 3w

Chrissyreadit @lil1inblue @dabbe take your time- Chapters are a lot. There is always time to jump in where you are ❤️ 3w

Chrissyreadit @ravenlee I love that!! And i bet those archetypes appear in places we have not yet realized too! 3w

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