Beautiful Joe

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

#KindredSpiritsBuddyRead #LMMAdjacent

What did you enjoy (or not enjoy!) about the book?

If you read this as a child, does it still hold up for you as an adult?

Is there anything else you‘d like to discuss about Beautiful Joe?

rubyslippersreads, JenlovesJT47, TheAromaofBooks

TheAromaofBooks Like I said earlier, this definitely worked better for me as a child than it did as an adult, although I still found it to be an interesting read. However, it was a lot sadder than I remember! There were a few times that I was a bit startled by violence stated so casually. Did I just not notice it as such growing up? I definitely focused more on the positive parts of the story, and those were the memories I brought forward. 2w

BarbaraJean The early chapters when Joe is a puppy were SUPER hard to read—I was a little shocked at how violent that part was. The performing animals at the hotel & the “bad“ dog at the farm were a bit of a surprise/shock as well. I wonder how those landed with kids at the time. I definitely had the feeling I'd have enjoyed this more as a kid. I loved animal stories, especially from the animal's perspective. Did you read anything by Dick King-Smith as a kid? 2w

TheAromaofBooks Oh my gosh YES - the first Dick King-Smith book I came across as the library was The Fox Busters, which is honestly kind of a dark book for the children's section, but I am so here for chicken heroes 😂 Later, I found out that he was the author of Babe, also good, but my actual favorites by him are The Queen's Nose and Harry's Mad. He was sooo prolific so some of his stories are definitely weaker than others, but some of them are just delightful. 2w

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BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks Aw, yay!! I don't remember The Fox Busters and now I may have to track it down! I LOVED his books—Babe (which I knew as “The Sheep-Pig“—I have long resented the movie 😂), Harry's Mad, and The Queen's Nose were ones I read over and over. Also Saddlebottom! I remember Saddlebottom and Babe both being from the animals' perspective, which really drew me in. I think Saunders was onto something in using Joe as a first-person narrator. 2w

TheAromaofBooks I don't think I've read Saddlebottom! I'll have to find that one. The Fox Busters is kind of intense (the chickens decide to fight back against marauding foxes), but it was so wildly different from anything else I had ever read when I first found it that I was totally hooked. I also read The Water Horse (which I think may be a movie now also) and had NO idea where it was headed so the twist at the end totally got me. 2w

BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks Ohhh, The Water Horse!! I read that entire book standing in the aisle of an airport bookstore on a long layover 😂 I loved the fact that they called the grandfather “Grump” 😆 It is a movie now (I think the edition I read in that airport was a movie tie-in one), but I haven‘t seen it—the description of the movie sounded WAY different from the book! 2w

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BarbaraJean

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

#KindredSpiritsBuddyRead #LMMAdjacent

Do you think Saunders‘ choice of Joe as a first person narrator is effective? What does this add to (or take away from) the story?

Joe meets several other animal friends during the story: the other pets at the Morris home, the performing animals he sees in Riverdale, and Dandy “the Tramp.” What did you think of these other animals and their stories?

rubyslippersreads, JenlovesJT47, TheAromaofBooks

JenlovesJT47 I am terribly behind on everything, I‘m so sorry! Going to download this now. 💚💚💚 thank you for all of the hard work you do for this group! 🤗 2w

BarbaraJean @JenlovesJT47 I understand—I have overloaded my reading this summer and there‘s too much to keep up with! Jump in when you can, but no pressure! 2w

TheAromaofBooks I did think using Joe as the narrator made the story more personal, and also worked with Saunders's goal of (to some extent) humanizing animals. Adding in the stories of other animals sometimes felt like a bit much - for instance, the chapter on Mr. Wood's hunting memories seemed kind of pointless. But other times it illustrated a concept otherwise outside of Joe's purview. 2w

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BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks I really liked Joe as the narrator, although it felt contrived/inconsistent at times (sometimes he'd skip over stuff saying he wasn't listening because it wasn't interesting to a dog, and at other times he'd narrate a bunch of stuff that wouldn't have been interesting to a dog 😂). As you said, it humanizes the animal characters--it made the cruelty to animals episodes more difficult to read (and more meaningful/effective). 2w

BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks I liked some of the additional animal stories (like the canaries and Bella the parrot, and the poor performing animals!!), but lots of others felt like padding to make the story longer (like the ENTIRE Band of Mercy meeting). And the lengthy telling of Dandy the Tramp's story just annoyed me 😂 2w

TheAromaofBooks The other thing Joe-as-narrator did was make the animals the main characters instead of the people. If this story had just been about Miss Laura being nice to animals, it would have had a really different flavor than having Joe talk about her. As an adult reader, I wanted more story about Laura and her little romance and whatnot, but as a younger reader, I was definitely more interested in the dogs haha 2w

BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks Hahaha, yeah, I think that would have been my response as a kid, too: more interested in the animals and their stories than Laura's romance 😂 And yes, definitely, having the animals as the main characters/focus rather than Laura really makes the message more impactful, helping kids envision what it's like for the animal to experience neglect and mistreatment vs. kindness and care. 2w

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BarbaraJean

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

#KindredSpiritsBuddyRead #LMMAdjacent

Beautiful Joe is based on a true story & was written for a contest sponsored by the American Humane Education Society (Joe‘s real-life home of Meaford, Ontario was changed to Fairport, Maine). Its goal was to teach children to be kind to animals.

Do you think Beautiful Joe is effective in teaching this message? Why or why not?
What do you think in general about stories whose main goal is to teach a message?

rubyslippersreads, JenlovesJT47, TheAromaofBooks

TheAromaofBooks I enjoyed this more growing up than I did as an adult, but I think part of that is that as a kid, some of the lessons felt fresh. Not that I was ever mean to animals (forever memory is my dad threatening to make me drink gross water from the chicken's waterer that I hadn't washed out properly - “if you don't want to drink it, they shouldn't have to“ - which in retrospect isn't true since they cheerfully drink gross puddle water BUT the lesson ⬇ 2w

TheAromaofBooks (cont'd) worked 😂) but a lot of the lessons here are just about not being careless, and also about being willing to stand up for those who aren't able to speak for themselves. BUT the story definitely comes across as kind of preachy, more like a collection of little sermonettes on animal welfare. So I do think it works, but perhaps worked better when it was written and the idea of an animal narrator was still rather novel, and when many ⬇ 2w

TheAromaofBooks (cont'd) animals were still used for work rather than pets. I realize there are still lots of farm animals today - some of which are in bad conditions - but I feel like the majority of us interact with pets, not livestock, which wasn't true when this book was written. 2w

BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks I love that memory of your dad! I mean, you both have a point 😂 For me, the book was too preachy & I think your description is why: it's more a collection of little lessons than a story. I think it was/is probably effective in teaching its message, but I wanted more story/character development. The animal narrator angle wasn't enough to enrapture me as an adult reader in 2025, but then I'm not the target audience! 2w

TheAromaofBooks I think a lot of kids are cruel/neglectful towards animals from a combination of laziness and ignorance. So a book like this really can speak to them and help them recognize not just that animals are living beings who can suffer, but that they are completely dependent on US to take care of them. As an adult reader, I've already learned these lessons so I think a lot of this wasn't as impactful to me. 2w

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AmyG

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

#KindredSpiritsBuddyRead @BarbaraJean
I just saw you are reading this. A friend of mine gave this to me…she lived to be 108. When I saw your post I remembered I had this!

BarbaraJean Oh, what a lovely old edition! 💜 3w

MemoirsForMe 😍😍😍 3w

TheBookHippie ♥️♥️♥️♥️ 3w

BooksandCoffee4Me Oh! I remember reading this as a child!!! My book looked something like this — my mom had shared it with me. Beautiful memory. 💛💛💛 3w

AnnCrystal 💝💝💝. 3w

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BarbaraJean

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

Just a little check-in halfway through reading Beautiful Joe!

🐶 How's your reading going?
🐶 What are your thoughts so far?
🐶 What stands out to you from the first half of the book?

#KindredSpiritsBuddyRead #LMMAdjacent

rubyslippersreads, JenlovesJT47, TheAromaofBooks

BarbaraJean I read an extra chapter this week when I discovered I broke up the reading kind of in the middle of something. 😆 I'm enjoying this, but finding it a leeeetle too preachy. Well, maybe not so much preachy as light on both plot and character development. It feels like little vignettes strung together in order to fill in the gaps between its “don't be cruel to animals“ message. Which is a fine message. I just want more of a story! 3w

TheAromaofBooks I just started this one again today. I had forgotten how sad the first couple of chapters are!! 😭 I believe I read somewhere once that this story was originally written by Saunders as an entry for a competition by the Humane Society or some such organization, so I suppose the preachiness is inevitable 😂 3w

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BarbaraJean

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

Today starts our #KindredSpiritsBuddyRead of Beautiful Joe by Marshall Saunders. This is one of our #LMMAdjacent books—Saunders was a contemporary of LMM, and another author who published with the nefarious L.C. Page Co. I‘ll post a check-in on 5/31 and we‘ll have our discussion on June 7. All are welcome—please comment if you‘re not tagged and you‘d like to be!

rubyslippersreads, JenlovesJT47, TheAromaofBooks

TheAromaofBooks Looking forward to this reread - it's very Black Beauty ish 4w

BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks I‘m looking forward to reading it for the first time! (I haven‘t read Black Beauty either 🤦🏻‍♀️ or at least I don‘t remember reading it as a kid! Another gap to fill in my reading of classic children‘s literature!) 4w

TheAromaofBooks Oh dear! You really should read Black Beauty; it's genuinely a classic haha But, like Beautiful Joe, it's also a book written with a message/purpose in mind. To me, neither book is so polemic that it detracts from the story, but you also never quite forget that the author is trying to make a point about the way animals are treated. 4w

BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks I've been expecting that “moral of the story“ with Beautiful Joe, but I didn't realize Black Beauty was that way as well! I feel like so many classic children's books have a “message,“ but when they're done well I don't mind it. Like Pollyanna! 4w

TheAromaofBooks Exactly!! As long as there is still an engaging story and characters I care about, I don't mind getting a little moralizing as we go 😂 4w

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LitsyEvents

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

repost for @BarbaraJean

Hello, Kindred Spirits!

Here‘s the schedule for the next few months of the #KindredSpiritsBuddyRead—including a couple of #LMMAdjacent books, Vol. 5 of the #LMMJournals, and for #LMMReread, the beginning of the Emily books.

I‘ll include the tag list for each book in the comments below. All are welcome—let me know if you want to be added to (or removed from!) any of the tag lists.

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Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

Hello, Kindred Spirits!

Here‘s the schedule for the next few months of the #KindredSpiritsBuddyRead—including a couple of #LMMAdjacent books, Vol. 5 of the #LMMJournals, and for #LMMReread, the beginning of the Emily books.

I‘ll include the tag list for each book in the comments below. All are welcome—let me know if you want to be added to (or removed from!) any of the tag lists.

LitsyEvents

BarbaraJean Beautiful Joe: @TheAromaofBooks, @rubyslippersreads, @julieclair, @lauraisntwilder, @JenLovesJT47

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography

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BarbaraJean Journals: @TheAromaofBooks, @lauraisntwilder, @JenLovesJT47 1mo

BarbaraJean Emily of New Moon: @kwmg40, @TheAromaofBooks, @rubyslippersreads, @JenLovesJT47

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BarbaraJean Story of an African Farm: @TheAromaofBooks, @julieclair, @lauraisntwilder

The story of an African farm: a novel

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TheAromaofBooks I bought this volume of journals before we moved and now I can't find it!! Three weeks to do some serious crate rummaging 😂 1mo

BarbaraJean @TheAromaofBooks Oh nooooo! Hope you unearth it quickly! 1mo

lauraisntwilder I don't think I'm going to end up reading Beautiful Joe. I'll be traveling right then and I already have my books for the trip picked out! 😄 Yes to all the others though, including Emily of New Moon, if you could add me to that one? I love Emily. Thank you!! 1mo

julieclair I‘m going to bow out of Beautiful Joe. I didn‘t realize part of the story was about animal abuse, and don‘t think I‘m up for that right now. 💙 1mo

BarbaraJean @julieclair Oof—I understand! I‘ll tag you back in when we get to Story of an African Farm. 1mo

BarbaraJean @lauraisntwilder Got it! I‘ll tag you for everything except Beautiful Joe. 1mo

julieclair @BarbaraJean Thanks! 😘 1mo

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BarbaraJean

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

Hello #KindredSpiritsBuddyRead-ers! I‘m looking at a tentative schedule for the next few months:

Beautiful Joe by Marshall Saunders (2 weeks)
Journals Vol. 5 (2 weeks)
Emily of New Moon (3 weeks)
Story of an African Farm by Olive Schreiner (3 weeks)
Journals Vol. 5 (3 weeks)
Emily Climbs (3 weeks)
“The Lay of the Brown Rosary” & Aurora Leigh by Elizabeth Barrett Browning (4 weeks)

THAT takes us to mid-October & finishes Vol. 5 of the journals.⤵️

rubyslippersreads, Daisey, LeahBergen, JenlovesJT47, CogsOfEncouragement, lauraisntwilder, kwmg40, TheAromaofBooks, Roary47, julieclair

BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) Take a look and let me know where you‘d like to join in. I added Beautiful Joe right after Pollyanna, so we‘ll be reading two of LMM‘s fellow L.C. Page & Co. authors back to back.

Note: I added two books I forgot to put into our voting a couple months ago. LMM mentions Story of an African Farm multiple times in her journals (it‘s considered a feminist classic) and there‘s another reference to it in Vol. 5, so I added it here. ⬇

The story of an African farm: a novel

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BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) Aurora Leigh is referenced in Vol. 2 of the journals and in Emily Climbs. It‘s also really long (350-400 pages) AND it‘s a novel in verse, which may not be everyone‘s cup of tea. If nobody‘s interested in either of those, I can pull them out and reconfigure things.

FINALLY: a preview of other potential adjacent books:
Ivanhoe—Sir Walter Scott
Life of Charlotte Bronte—Elizabeth Gaskell
More Tramps Abroad—Mark Twain ⬇

Aurora Leigh

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BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) People voted for the above three books in our poll but they‘re each 400-600 pages, so I‘m going to parcel them out more sparingly. I might add Gaskell‘s Charlotte Bronte bio after we finish the Emily books, since there are a lot of parallel vibes between Emily & Jane Eyre.

After all of THAT… 😂 Let me know what you‘d like to be tagged for, and I‘ll post a finalized schedule soon!

The Life of Charlotte Bronte

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rubyslippersreads I had that copy of Beautiful Joe as a child. I read it over and over. 🐶 1mo

kwmg40 I‘d definitely like to continue with the #LMMReread books (the Emily ones from this list). Thanks! 1mo

TheAromaofBooks Yay!! I'm down for any/all of these. Like @rubyslippersreads I had a copy of Beautiful Joe that I read so many time growing up. It has very Black Beauty vibes. I'm a little scared of Aurora Leigh but am willing to give it a try if everyone else wants to read it 😂 1mo

BarbaraJean @rubyslippersreads It's such a sweet cover! @kwmg40 I'll make sure to tag you for the Emily books! @TheAromaofBooks Knowing your feelings about poetry, I was definitely thinking of you when I said Aurora might not be everyone's cup of tea 😂 I'll give it a few more days to see who else weighs in, but I think I'll start with a schedule for the summer and we can revisit interest in Aurora when we get to August and Emily Climbs! 1mo

rubyslippersreads Ivanhoe is also a #BetsyTacy adjacent book. 🙂 1mo

julieclair I‘d like to read all of these except the journals. I‘m a bit hesitant about Aurora Leigh, but I‘d like to give it a try! Thanks so much for organizing all of this for us, @BarbaraJean ! 💙 1mo

BarbaraJean @rubyslippersreads I have never read Betsy-Tacy! 😱 Maybe I need to read it when we get to Ivanhoe 😄 @julieclair I'll put you on all the lists except the journals! I'm thinking I might pre-read some of Aurora Leigh, see what it's like, and report back. I love the “Earth's crammed with heaven, and every common bush afire with God“ quote, but that's really the extent of my familiarity. @TheAromaofBooks 1mo

TheAromaofBooks Ohhh you would probably really like Betsy-Tacy!! It's a series that starts out for and about younger readers, and the books get more advanced as the characters get older - Betsy is married by the end of the series!! They're super cute. 1mo

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LibraryCin

Beautiful Joe (Summit Classic Collector Editions) | Marshall Saunders

so-so

The book was told from Beautiful Joe‘s point of view. I enjoyed this, but it did get preachy at times. I agree with it all, but even so, it still felt a bit preachy. Many of the characters in the story were almost too good to be true, but at the same time, I think the book (originally published in 1893) was trying to teach kids not to be cruel to animals, they have feelings and feel pain, too. Interesting that it is actually a woman who wrote this

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TheAromaofBooks

Beautiful Joe: An Autobiography | Marshall Saunders

Thanks for the tag @TheSpineView !!

1. Storing book someplace where they are going to get musty!
2. I do enjoy them sometimes, but I think it's because I LOVED them when I was growing up, so many titles (like the tagged book) are intermingled with nostalgia!

#Two4Tuesday

Wanna play @AmyK1 @wideeyedreader @emilymdxn @AsYouWish ??

Emilymdxn Yes I do! Will post in a min 5y

Lcsmcat Loved Beautiful Joe! Both as a kid and reading it to my kids. 5y

TheAromaofBooks @Lcsmcat - Yes, like the dog version of Black Beauty! I reread it just a few years ago & enjoyed even now. Such an excellent book about the importance of being kind to animals. 5y

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