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Sauron Defeated
Sauron Defeated | John R. R. Tolkien
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In this volume Christopher Tolkein completes his account of the writing of The Lord of the Rings, beginning with Sam's rescue of Frodo from the Tower of Cirith Ungol and ending with an unpublished Epilogue in which years after the tale ends, Sam attempts to answer his children's questions. The book also includes The Notion Club Papers, a semi-fictional discussion between a group of Oxford Dons of the possibilities of travel in space and time and the legend of Atlantis. The third part of the book is devoted to a new version of the Numenorean legend - The Drowning of Anadune.
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Rachbb3
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A Tolkien feast 😀 #bookmail #bookhaul

monkeygirlsmama Cool covers 3y
JazzFeathers I've just started reading The People of Middle-earth with the #FlowshipOfTolkien 😊 3y
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Daisey
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Happy Weekend Litsy friends! I made a late breakfast this morning, and now I‘m happily sitting down with a second cup of tea for a few more pages of this Tolkien reread.

@Texreader Thanks so much for the lovely birthday card!

Texreader You‘re welcome! I loved making it 3y
JazzFeathers Whaaaat? When was your birthday????? Happy belived birthday!!!! 3y
Daisey @JazzFeathers Thanks! It was Friday. 3y
dottie.floating.on.words That mug is 10/10! Love it! 3y
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JazzFeathers
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Seriously, l'm really really enjoying this reread of The Notion Club Papers and the Dawnfall of Anadune. The first time l read it, it was the busiest time of the year at work and l was too tired too really appreciate. But now l see it in all its glory.

As a side not, #FellowshipOfTolkien l've discovered my order of The War of the Jewel was cancelled. I've just ordered a new one. Let's hope it will come swiftly.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I was just looking to see what happened with your book! Sorry it fell off the radar, fingers crossed it goes smoother this time. 3y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa lt's on its way. Should arrive any day now 😊 3y
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Daisey
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I should probably be working to finish updating grades for this week, but I‘m making some time for pets and a few pages. I don‘t feel quite as lost in The Notion Club Papers as I did last time, but I still think my mind is too wrapped up in school to appreciate my reading much more than the last time.

#DogsofLitsy #CatsofLitsy

JazzFeathers True, l found it easier to follow too. I hope you'll find a frame of mind to appreciate it, because it is really an awesome story. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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I'm enjoying this read of The Notion Club Papers so much more than the first time.

Daisey So glad to hear this! I‘m finally making a bit of time tonight to read more, but I think my brain is too wrapped up in school thoughts to actually appreciate it any more than I did previously. 4y
JazzFeathers @Daisey l hope you will. It felt much more like a story this time. And l appreciated the connection with both The Lost Road and the myth of Númenor a tot more. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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#FellowshipOfTolkien

Finished Sauron Defeated two nights ago.
It was a very strange book, all things considered.

I really liked the ending of LotR drafts, with that surprising version of The Scoring of the Shire.

The Notion Club Papers was a very dense read and honestly l don't think l got from it everything l could. Will need to reared it some day.

I totally adored the different drafts of the Fall of Numenor. Such a fantastic story.

Daisey Yes to all of this! 4y
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Daisey
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I didn‘t enjoy this as much as other History of Middle-Earth books we‘ve read, and some sections required real effort to read. Yet, overall it is a pick because I truly enjoyed the final history of LotR and the Drowning of Anadune. The other sections give me a great appreciation for the time, effort, and thought put into all of Tolkien‘s creative process. “Delight lay in the creation itself . . .”

#FellowshipofTolkien #YearsofTolkien #LotRHistory

JazzFeathers I totally agree with this review. Although l think that with a more focused mind, l could get a lot more even from the harder section. One day... 4y
Daisey @JazzFeathers I also hope to read it again someday. I think just a second chance to absorb as well as possibly less distraction while reading would help me get more from it as well. 4y
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Daisey
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One of the things I find most interesting in these evolving versions of the Fall of Numenor is the discussion of the world as flat or round. Was it always round or was it changed due to this cataclysmic event? Was this concept of a flat world true at some point or just belief based on falsehood? It‘s amazing to me the thought that went into the continuous development of this world over so many years.

#FellowshipofTolkien #YearsofTolkien

BookwormAHN That's one of the things I love about Tolkien, he was creating a world not just some books 💙 4y
Daisey @BookwormAHN Same here! It was so much more than just a story. 4y
JazzFeathers @BookwormAHN @Daisey What l liked the most about this section is seeing that he was always willing to experiment. His legendarium had been laid out in its main points for almost 20 years at this point, and still he considered changing everything for the sake of the story. That's the mark of a true storyteller. 4y
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BookwormAHN
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This book was quite interesting and I especially enjoyed reading the Notion Club Papers 😺
#FellowshipofTolkien

Daisey I‘m glad to see this review. The Notion Club Papers were a bit of a toss up for me. I loved some parts and had to push myself through others. It is amazing to be able to see so much of the thinking on paper though. 4y
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wordslinger42
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Finished up this read for #HistoryofLOTR & I am sorry to say that I did not enjoy this one very much. I've enjoyed the Histories, but this is not one of my favorites.

#YearofTolkien #FellowshipofTolkien

JazzFeathers The Notion Club Papers are hard and slow going, but tge end of the History of the Lord of the Rings and the evolution of tge story of Numenor were fantastic, in my opinion 😍 4y
wordslinger42 @JazzFeathers I enjoyed the history of LOTR, but from Notion Club on, it just didn't suit me 😴 Still enjoy reading along with all of you, though! 4y
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Daisey
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Saturday morning plans:
#HolidayRecipeSwap card finalized and dropped in the mail
✅ Coffee and another #CovertoCover book read
🔷 Catching up on Sauron Defeated with #FellowshipofTolkien
🔷 Making Christmas fruitcake while listening to audiobooks

JazzFeathers 👏👏👏 I should try to bake a fruit cake too 😆 4y
Daisey @JazzFeathers It‘s a family tradition that I took over a couple of years ago when my grandma passed away. It‘s a great way to remember her and to get my holiday season started. 4y
jewright So glad you still make the fruitcake! 4y
JazzFeathers @Daisey Those family traditions are the best. I took up my grampa tradition of the Christmas menu. 4y
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Daisey
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I got up early this morning to make pumpkin scones for school, and I hoped to fit in a few pages of reading along with my own breakfast. However, by the time I cleaned up my kitchen mess and prepped my just finished #CovertoCover book to mail, it was time to leave. I did fit in a few pages tonight, and I‘m continuing to enjoy my slow progress through the versions of the story of Numenor.

#FellowshipofTolkien

JazzFeathers I'm really, really enjoying these evolutions of the stories. In yesterday's night commentary, Christopher theories that at that stage, his father was considering different ways to revise his Silmarillion, especially in light of the (then still) unfinished Lord of the Rings. It's fascinating and quite unexpected. 4y
Daisey @JazzFeathers I made my way through more of this last night and did find it fascinating to consider. I love how Tolkien put so much of his thinking down on paper. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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Oh, wow!
Since there has been so little about Numenor so far, l was wondering how Tolkien evolved his stories about it while writing LotR, since in this story a very definite history of Numenor is present.

It's fascinating to see the many different possibilities, some quite different from the story as we know it as canon.

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wordslinger42
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On hard days, I am very grateful for good books 📚 They make everything better. This is my recent #bookhaul from Dover and my currently reading pile

tracey38 💜 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Origami Dragons! 💙. 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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This one was overall a mixed bag for me, loved Part I, the end of the history of LOTR, Part II with the The Notion Papers was so-so for me, it definitely had interesting sections but probably wasn‘t one I‘ll go back and re-read, then ended with Part III where Tolkien expanded and developed his early Númenorean legend as his Atlantis-esque retelling story shifted & grew to fit into his growing legendarium of interrelated tales. I couldn‘t help ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ... but think about his Leaf by Niggle short story again. Sorry I read ahead this weekend and finished up ahead of schedule #FellowshipofTolkien #YearsOfTolkien #YearOfTolkien 4y
Daisey I‘ve only just started Part 3, but so far I feel much the same. 4y
JazzFeathers I pretty much agree too. Though l do think that l'll go back to the Notion Club Papers at some point. I read it in a moment of great tiredness. I'm sure that, peculiar as it is, l'd enjoy it a lot more with a less tired mind. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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#FellowshipOfTolkien

It seems that the more Tolkien worked to the story of Numenor, the darkening and more heartbreaking it became.

This third version has all the names changed. It was strange to read, and l wonder why Tolkien decided this course. I hope there will be some insight in Christopher's comment.

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Daisey
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No time for breakfast with Tolkien this morning, but I did fit in just a few pages with lunch. I‘m thoroughly enjoying another look at the Fall of Numenor in this third section of the book. The more often I read them, the more I can appreciate the mythological style of the early stories of Tolkien‘s world.

#FellowshipofTolkien #YearsofTolkien #ReadandEat

JazzFeathers I'm adoring these rereads. Back to back like that, l can see the story growing. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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#FellowshipOfTolkien

What can l say? I adore the story of Numenor more every time l read it. It is such a perfect story inside the story in the Silmarillion.
What has always fascinated me is the way evil inplants itself with lies, as it seems to answer hard questions, and how some people still resists, come what will.
It is a story of loss, but also of hope, as so many of Tolkien's stories are.

Daisey I haven‘t picked my book up since I finished Part 2, but I‘m hoping to at least get to a few pages later tonight. Looking forward to this section! 4y
JazzFeathers @Daisey lt is awesome. But then, l've always loved Numenor, si my opinion probably doesn't count 😆 4y
Daisey Your opinion always has value! I got through the first section last night and started the next few pages today, and I have to agree. I love seeing more of this aspect of the history. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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#FellowshipOfTolkien

Really enjoyed this early version of the Fall of Numenor, one of my favourite stories by Tolkien since l first read The Silmarillion.
The story will become much more complex, still so much of utenti is already here.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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All caught up again, felt like I was never going to make it to Part III.

Although The Notion Papers were interesting, I‘m always going to think there is so much more there going on just below the surface that had a lot to do with the members of The Inklings and some of their personalities and foibles seeping over into this story as fun academic teasing.

Onto part III!

#FellowshipOfTolkien
Goodbye #NotionClub
#YearOfTolkien
#YearsOfTolkien

JazzFeathers I caught up too and can't wsit to read part three. The Fall of Numenor has always been one of my very favourite parts in the Silmarillion. 4y
Daisey So true! 4y
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Daisey
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I made it through the rest of the #NotionClub Papers. That last section all about language was tough again, and to be honest I might have skimmed through parts, but I‘m caught up again. So glad to be reading this with others so that I do get to those moments of great interest or insight without giving up.

#FellowshipofTolkien #YearsofTolkien

umbrellagirl I love your dragon! Smaug? 4y
Daisey @umbrellagirl Just a random book dragon, but it is my designated Tolkien bookmark! 4y
May1112 Ha ha 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I completely understand! As fascinating as I find all the languages he created, when it gets into the nuts and bolts of nasal vowel sounds verses script drawling styles...I just can‘t follow...maybe if there was a physical language class I‘d understand all of that better, however that was my least favorite part of learning my own language as a kid, so possibly not.😂 4y
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JazzFeathers
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#FellowshipOfTolkien

Read up to Night 70 of the #NotionClub Papers last night.
At some point, l'd like to compare this to the Lost Road. I don't remember it very well, now, but l seem to remember it was an easier read. But maybe l read it at a more related time.
I keep having the feeling that this writing was a private joke and that's why it's more difficult for us to got into it.

Daisey I very much agree with this. I want to compare it more closely, but I don‘t have time for that kind of careful comparative reading right now. I also feel this is more complex and analytical with a very specific audience in mind. 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers & @Daisey I agree too. I think there is a lot of internal joking here and poking fun at Lewis‘s use of Númenor too. As I remember there were two version back in The Lost Road as well. A version told to the lost sailor in the Cottage of Play, and a brief version that was a time travel story of a father and son, but actual time travel, not this past remembered consciousness expressing itself through dreams and daydreaming as kids. 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Mhm. I think there were dreams in The Lost Road too, at least in the beginning. @Daisey do you remember better than us? 😁 4y
Daisey @JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I do seem to remember dreams, and the reader actually traveled into the dream instead of hearing about it later. However, that‘s also why I wish I could compare more closely, since I‘m not sure. 4y
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wordslinger42
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Getting closer! #24B4Monday
I finished The Notion Club Paprrs for #LOTRHistory, and never have I been so relieved to be done reading something by Tolkien. I feel slightly traitorous and guilty... but still relieved.

#MrBook1InaMillion #LitsyPartyofOne
@MrBook @Andrew65 @Lucas.Rencher @Rachel.Rencher @TheReadingMermaid

Andrew65 Fantastic time, doing so well. 👏👏😊👍 4y
MrBook You are rockin‘ this!!! 🥳 4y
wordslinger42 @Andrew65 @MrBook Thank you guys! I feel like I'm participating in the Litsy Olympics 😅 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa Great job, you‘ve caught up and passed us! Go you!!! 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Or if this is Litsy Olympics...lapped us! 😉 4y
wordslinger42 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa 😅 I only did it because this next week is going to be really busy for me and I didn't want to fall behind again! 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @wordslinger42 I don‘t blame you there, you have to read when the reading time is good! 4y
Andrew65 @wordslinger42 Well it looks as you are about to hit Gold then. (edited) 4y
wordslinger42 @Andrew65 😅 I skated by with an hour and a half to spare! 4y
Andrew65 Yes! 👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌🍾🥂🍾🥂😍👍😊 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ntG50eXbBtc 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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And!!! 🥁 I‘m caught up and back on track again!

You know, until next weekend 😂

#FellowshipOfTolkien
#NotionClub!

JazzFeathers Yayyy!!! 👏👏👏💪😀 l'm legging behind. But l'm back to my usual working schedule so l hope to be less tired when l get home. Time to catch up! 4y
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Daisey
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Sunday books and breakfast included homemade pumpkin spice French toast sticks this morning. I‘m starting Night 68 and enjoying Part 2 of the Notion Club Papers much more than Part 1. Even when it gets a bit more dense, the connection to Middle-Earth keeps me more engaged.

#NotionClub #FellowshipofTolkien #YearsofTolkien #BreakfastwithTolkien

CoffeeNBooks Pumpkin spice French toast sticks sounds amazing! How do you make them? 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Good luck with the catching up, and yes, I agree...part 2 was a bit better for me too. 4y
Daisey @CoffeeNBooks They were delicious!They‘re pretty similar to regular French toast except that they‘re seasoned with cinnamon and pumpkin spice (nutmeg, cloves, ginger, etc.) instead of vanilla and include pumpkin purée. I followed this recipe for the most part. https://lifemadesimplebakes.com/pumpkin-french-toast-sticks 4y
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CoffeeNBooks @Daisey Awesome- thanks so much! I can't wait to make these! 4y
Daisey @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Thanks! I finished through the end of Night 70, so I‘m feeling pretty good about my progress. 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey Great job! You should feel very good about that! 4y
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wordslinger42
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Andrew65 Great time, good luck today. 🤞😊👍 4y
wordslinger42 @Andrew65 Thank you very much! 4y
Daisey Great time! I‘m reading a bit more of the #NotionClub Papers this morning as well. 4y
Rachel.Rencher Cute mug 😁 4y
MrBook 😁😁👏🏻👏🏻 4y
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Daisey
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This is the stack of books I plan to read from throughout the weekend between household chores and school work. I already read a section of the #NotionClub Papers this evening. I also have a couple audiobooks in progress and more downloaded from the library. I didn‘t plan any snacks for this weekend, but there are definitely some plans for baking tomorrow.

#MrBook1inAMillion #LitsyPartyofOne #24B4Monday #Readathon

MrBook Awesome pic and selections!!! 😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you so very much for joining the fun!! ☺️🤗 4y
Andrew65 I love Asimov! 4y
Cleaning-Fairy I love that book end! 4y
Daisey @MrBook @Andrew65 Thanks! I‘m really looking forward to a weekend full of reading! 4y
Daisey @Cleaning-Fairy 😂 Glad you appreciate the very impromptu bookend. It works perfectly. 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Checkin time. I‘m at the beginning of Night 66, so about 3 days behind our original estimate schedule.

How‘s everyone else doing? I know a bunch of you are behind, but maybe behind in the same-ish place....so still together really.?‍♀️

How‘s it going? I know at Night 65 another retelling of the flood Atlantis/Númenor story is starting to emerge sort of a spin of the time traveling version way back in The Lost Tales (I think)⤵️
#NotionClub

Riveted_Reader_Melissa If I forgot to tag anyone, please add them. 4y
Daisey This is exactly where I am now, but I doubt I will have any more reading time tonight. Somehow I missed the transition from Night 64 to 65. (edited) 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey Honesty, I‘m not sure I‘ll read anymore tonight either....maybe I‘ll just let it set, see where everyone else is, and then possibly catch-up over the weekend. 4y
JazzFeathers I read Night 66 last night. This second part is a lot easier to follow, even when addressing the same subject as the first one. 4y
wordslinger42 I'm participating in the Litsy readathon this weekend, so I'll be caught up by tomorrow! I'm on Night 65 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @wordslinger42 we seem to all be at about the same place 65 or 66. 😉 4y
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Daisey
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I read the first few pages of Part 2 tonight, through the end of Night 65. I really enjoyed the discussion of language, and I‘m looking forward to continuing as familiar things have started showing up in the discussion.

“Behold the Eagles of the Lords of the West! They are coming over Numenor!”

#NotionClub #FellowshipofTolkien #YearsofTolkien

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know, I was excited there too, suddenly LOTR etc is creeping in.😉 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey l halted at the mention of the cloud looking like smoke issuing from the Dome of Oxford and l thought, Oh! Sauron in Numenor! 4y
Daisey @JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa The cloud imagery caught my attention too, but this seemed even more recognizable for sharing. 4y
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#FellowshipOfTolkien

I'm totally intrigued with the second part of the #NotionClub Papers. I've only read the first two nights, but l'm loving the atmosphere.
And that foreshadowing about the Redcliff Chamber Dome, with the claud that looks like smoke issuing from it 😍

Can't wait to see where this goes. Thought l have my ideas 😏

Daisey Completely agree! I just read through the end of Night 65 and I wanted to keep going (but tests to grade). (edited) 4y
JazzFeathers @Daisey This second part is a lot easier to read. And it does sound like a story even when it still discusses languages 😊 4y
Daisey I felt that way about this section as well, and I hope it stays that way. 4y
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From deep discussions about how our minds bend past history with our perceptions and retelling of it...to discussing how each of them would view their meetings differently depending on their focus, etc (like this mirror of the inklings)....to talking to the future people who may be reading this and studying these Club meeting...to the story of it taking on a secondary life of its own through those reading it now.

Layer upon layer as he both ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ...digs deeper, peels back the layers...and I can‘t help but feel, pokes fun at their group, and further out a layer, at us the readers/study-ers now. 🤪. #NotionClub #FellowshipOfTolkien 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa This part reminded me a lot of an article about storytelling l read. It discussed the difference between story and chronicles, pointing out that even when we decided what to tell first about what actually happend, we're weaving a story, because we're giving different importance to diffetent events according to our own experience and understanding of them. 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa As a writer, this is so interesting to me. I also found this discussion easier to follow than the previous part. Hey, have l caught up with you? 😆 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers You have caught up with ME! However WE are still behind! 😂. At least we are behind together!😄 4y
JazzFeathers Yayyy!!! 😁💪😆 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers Right, it feels pretty good I bet! 4y
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There really is some great thinking in here as to how truth and myth overlap and collide...like those great conversations you had way too late at night with a friend in college perhaps, deep thinking.

But agreed, you also have to read it when you‘re not tired and in the right frame of mind to grasp it all. 😏

#NotionClub
#FellowshipOfTolkien

Daisey Exactly, I need to be not too tired and able to focus, which means I‘m reading fewer pages this week than I expected. 4y
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I finally finished Part 1 of The Notion Club Papers. I really appreciated some of the points discussed (I even added post-its!) at the beginning, but a lot of the later portion was more dense and took quite a bit of focus to read. In these longer sections I‘m also back to two bookmarks, the book dragon for my place in the main text and a smaller magnetic bookmark for the notes.

#NotionClub #FellowshipofTolkien #YearsofTolkien

JazzFeathers Agreed. I also read after a long day at work (still working overtime) and this part has been trying. But it is interesting, and l mean to read it again at a less tiring time. Also, l knew the Professor had a great analitic mind. This is prove of it 😆 4y
Daisey @JazzFeathers Yes, I do think I need to read it again later to get more from it. I've always thought Tolkien was analytical and this absolutely verifies that. 4y
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#FellowshipOfTolkien

Finished The first part of the #NotionClub Papers yesterday night.
Such a different read. And a dense one too. I'm sure l'll read it again.

It seems to me this is a deep update to Tolkien‘s On Fairy Stories, but l also agree with @Riveted_Reader_Melissa this is an inside jokes between Tolkien and his fellow Inklings. I don't think it was never meant to be publish.

Now excuse me. I understand Numenor is waiting 😍

Daisey I‘m appreciating it, but it is definitely more dense. I thought I would easily finish Part 1 last night, but that was not the case. 4y
JazzFeathers @Daisey Took me three days to read through it. It is a very in-depth, and l think partly academic read - one of the reasons why l think @Riveted_Reader_Melissa has a point when she says this is an inside joke between Tolkien and his fellow Inklings. But l started Part 2 last night and that sounds more of a story. 4y
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Daisey
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From Night 60 of The Notion Club Papers: Some commentary on the level of detail and careful consideration put into the writing process . . .

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JazzFeathers I so agree to this. And still, I've seen this principle trumpled over and over... especially by fantasy authors, l'm sorry to say. I'm more or less in this area too. It's such a strange reading, which l'm sure l'll read again. It feels like a deeper look at the same matter of On Fairy Stories. 4y
Daisey @JazzFeathers I can read and enjoy stories where some things are unbelievable, but I prefer when I feel the author really put time and effort into making it as real and believable as possible. 4y
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I did quite enjoy this little section about language and new words and meanings evolving from the old, it reminded me of a great book I read last year, about words...I‘ll tag it in the comments.
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Daisey I got to this section this evening and appreciated it as well! Also, Word by Word was such a fun read. 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey Yes it was! Hey, you‘re almost were I am & @JazzFeathers Even more of us behind, together! (edited) 4y
Daisey Lol! Maybe if all of us get back together we‘ll just be on a new track instead of behind. 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey Exactly! I‘ll see which Night I‘m in tonight and post it, see where everyone else is. 4y
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I can‘t help feeling as I finish Part One of The Notion Paper as I did at the very beginning...it‘s brilliant and overly erudite, and quite too much to wrap your head around really... and there is way more subtext here about the “friendly” rivalry between him and C.S. Lewis than we can probably ever glean without actually being in that friendship.

But also that there is a ton of inside jokes between members of the real Inklings & this fictional⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ....group....and maybe, in some weird way, this is Tolkien explaining to himself how he dreamed up elves, their multiple languages, and learned of their past history from earlier prehistoric memory as the Silmarillion kept making itself known over the more pressing LOTR. 🤷‍♀️. On to Part II! #NotionClub #FellowshipOfTolkien (edited) 4y
JazzFeathers I'm hoping to finish part 1 tonight... and l totally agree with everything you say. I've found it especially challanging to read because l read at night, after a long day at work. I'm sure l'll read this again. It is, if l truly consider it, a fascinating look into the mind of a fantasy writer. 4y
JazzFeathers But l find the dynamics of the group fascinating too. There is such a natural feel to all the dialogues. I'm sure you're right about the parallel to the Inklings. 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers plus he starts out making each name a code name for a real person, then puts in the introduction that they shouldn‘t look too closely at the warped mirror to find themselves....so yes, I‘m think there is a lot of gentle teasing, poking fun, etc at his fellow writers just below the surface, jokes they would have gotten and recognized immediately that without knowing all their mannerisms/speech patterns we‘ll never get in the same way. 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa l agree. It does sound like a 'private' writing, not something that he ever meant to publish. 4y
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OK... I love Tolkien with all my heart, but I'm currently feeling very thankful that he abandoned the Notion Club Papers in favor of finishing LOTR. Some small bits are kind of interesting, but for the most part, I am just really not enjoying this 😴

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Daisey I‘m not far, but I understand what you mean. There are little bits that really speak to me and other sections where I‘m struggling to stay engaged. 4y
wordslinger42 @Daisey Yes! I feel so distracted while I read, like I end up checking Litsy more often than I turn a page 😅 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @wordslinger42 I completely agree, these were much more challenging for me to read and stay engaged, where the LOTR‘s chapters flew by. 4y
wordslinger42 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Glad I'm not alone! I'll be very happy when we're done with this section! 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @wordslinger42 Same here! It definitely feels more of a great group brainstorming what-of session, less of a great read, in my opinion anyway...so great if you were there, not so great as a story to just read....and I‘m not sure all the footnotes help either, this might be one of the few cases where they make it more confusing sometimes. 4y
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Daisey
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“Liking is often much more complex than dislike. And it‘s less necessary to say anything about it in a hurry. The feeling of liking has a very lasting flavour; it can wait, it‘s often better for being stored for a bit. But defects stick out all hard and painful, while one‘s still close at hand.”

This #quote from Night 60 of The Notion Club Papers seemed very relatable to how I try to reflect on what I read and my long term reactions to books.

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Daisey
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Sunday morning + book + coffee + cat = perfection

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JazzFeathers Definitely 😁 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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I fell a bit behind there at the end of the month my #FellowshipOfTolkien group so for me this weekend has to be to catch-up with The Notion Papers Part I 🤞

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tpixie Keep up the great work! Read on!!! 4y
JazzFeathers I need to catch up.on The Notion Club Papers too 😉 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tpixie I love the encouragement for reading I find on Litsy, it‘s truly wonderful! 4y
Daisey I‘ve read the introduction and foreword, but I haven‘t gotten into part 1 yet either. Hopefully today! 4y
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JazzFeathers
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Loved reading this unused epilogue to The Lord of the Rings, the way Tolkien first envisioned the book to end.
Yes, the final version is more powerful, and it's not hard to see why Tolkien went with it in the end.

It's also not hard to see Tolkien himself surrounded by his own children in his studio, telling them stories. I understand why he was fondo of that epilogue.

Daisey I completely agree! 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I loved that version... it‘s so reflective of Tolkien and so very true to Sam too. 4y
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Daisey
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I started Part Two tonight, and although I‘m still not quite sure what these Notion Club Papers are going to entail, I‘m completely intrigued to continue.

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Daisey So, are we finished with the #LotRHistory hashtag or do we keep it for the remainder of this book? Thoughts? 4y
JazzFeathers I finish The Lord of the Rings yesterday night and can't wait to start the Notion Club Paper, just because l have no idea what they are. I may even catch up in the long weekend. Personally, l'd go for a new hashtag. Maybe one that feels the reminder of the History of Middle-Earth. 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa You‘re right, we‘ve finish #LOTRHistory. Maybe #NotionPapers for this section? 4y
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Daisey @JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I have been trying to think of something to finish the whole book, but I‘m at a loss. I‘m good with keeping the #FellowshipofTolkien from here on and then just whatever else fits the current section. #NotionClub or #NotionPapers sounds good to me. 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Daisey Well we are a fellowship, might as well start a club too! #NotionClub 4y
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JazzFeathers
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And l haven't even read the entire chapter 😭

wordslinger42 I felt the same! Like I was just as emotional reading about the creation of the chapter as I am when I read the finished chapter itself 😅 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa It gets me every time, and now apparently...in every form. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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It's gets me every single time 😢

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Oh, wow!! I knew the ending was to be very different because of all my fellow Tolkien readers' comments, but I mean... no Saruman, Frodo a chieftain of hobbits!

I find it interesting that the parts concerning the Shire seem to have gone through some of the most important changes, as if Tolkien himself didn't really trust them to tell an epic story at first.
This is a far simpler ending than the one we know.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I was a shocked that Frodo was suddenly a warrior in the first version...when he wasn‘t exactly a sword fighter in the rest of the book up until that point. Sam however, fighting for home as fiercely as he did for Frodo would have seemed less shocking to me. 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa True. But l suppose that's in part true for Frodo as well. He suffered a lot and it was all for his homeland. And then he comes home and find out that the Evil he thought he's overcome has taken roots in his own home. I can see why that first direction. We're probably shocked because we know what it morphed into. 4y
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JazzFeathers
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Such a short chapter. What it did is get me excited about hhe next chapter, 'cause my fellow Tolkien readers are all talking about it 😆

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It's always such a mixed bag when ideas occurred to Tolkien kind of suddenly.
On the one hand, it's fantastic to see ideas take form. I loved seeing Tolkien's idea about Saruman changing while writing. How he abandoned the idea of a redemption, because the character didn't call for it.
On the other hand, it leaves you wanting. I'd have loved to know a lot more of how Arwen entered this story.

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These last few chapters, so short, kind of leave me the desires to read more. But l enjoyed (as always) to se the little evolutions in the tale.

Linsy Pretty! 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know...coming to the end made me want to just go and read the original published books again. 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa But we will soon 😈 4y
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers Yes soon...but I was tempted to start immediately. 4y
JazzFeathers @Riveted_Reader_Melissa No! Don't do it! Wait for us!!!!!! 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers I did! 😂. No worries! (edited) 4y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JazzFeathers I did wait...that is! 4y
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I loved these variations on Sam‘s life in various Epilogues.

Sam‘s always been my favorite character and I love seeing him settled and telling the story and answering the questions of his own children who are just as persistent as he and his friends were at the beginning of the story.

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JazzFeathers Can't wait to come to this part. I'm going to start The Scouring of the Shire tonight, so it should't take long 😊 4y
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