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Becoming a Matriarch | Helen Knott

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Becoming a Matriarch | Helen Knott

“The world will Always Take what you are willing to give.”

We all need to be a little less willing to give, remember the old saying, ‘put on your oxygen mask first or you can not help anyone else‘. Save some space for yourself to just be, refresh, regenerate, get grounded, and just be in the moment and refill your own well before everyone drains you dry. “The world will always take what you are willing to give.” Save a little you for yourself

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Becoming a Matriarch | Helen Knott

Hello #SheSaid

If you were able to get ahold of this book, how did you like this week‘s sections? If not, did you sign up to get my book as it travels around visiting?

Sorry for the late post, but we can talk in the comments 😉

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 @Christine If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 😉 3d

Riveted_Reader_Melissa There are a few quotes from those section that really stuck with me, I‘ll post them too. But although this is so much a book about the women in her family and their lives and letting them go, I love the way she grows through it & learns to be loving and fierce herself….become her own female head of the family. 3d

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Julsmarshall I was not able to get my hands on this book but you can keep tagging me, I‘ll keep trying 😄 3d

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Julsmarshall Do you want me to take you off the tag list for this month? If you asked before and I forgot or missed it, my apologies 3d

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Julsmarshall and if you go to last weeks post there is a sign up for the reading book share group 3d

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Becoming a Matriarch | Helen Knott

Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m really enjoying this book so far, not much overlap with her previous book, but the talk about matriarchs, carrying on the traditions over multiple generations, ties to & fighting for the land, the continuing line despite it all, the people that we lean on & in turn become the ones approached to lean on, all feel very solid & centering to me this week. Terrible things happen to people & a people, but humans & families carry on.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 @Christine If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 😉 2w

Lindy Becoming a Matriarch is a finalist for Canada‘s GG awards. The winners will be announced on November 13th. 🏆 2w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Again if anyone could not get it in the US, please respond to the form below and we can mail my copy around the US to read. 2w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa https://forms.gle/LkJaSPSGwGjo97RN9 2w

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Becoming a Matriarch | Helen Knott

Hello #SheSaid!

My book has arrived, so the schedule is up and ready to go!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful ⤵️ 2w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 @Christine If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 2w

Singout My audiobook will be available in a week: I‘ll be a bit behind. 2w

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Becoming a Matriarch | Helen Knott

Hello #She Said!

I know a few of us have had issues getting ahold of this book in the US…not sure why it‘s available in Canada, England, Australia, but not on the US. I got her first book just fine…BUT I do not like being told I can NOT read something. It makes me want to read it more.

I know it is price-prohibitive for us all to order it from overseas, so I have a suggestion. Let me tag everyone & let you know what I‘m thinking in the comments.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful 🔽 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Christine 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 3w

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa Litsy has had a few book clubs over time, but maybe we can borrow a page (idea) from the Litsy Postal Mark Up Book Club. I‘ll order the book from afar, read it, and then mail it onto the next that wants it… if we want to follow the book mark up model, we can write a few comments in the end or margins as we go…and pass to the next. If you are interested, there will be a link in the next post for your email & mailing address. I‘ll mail to ⤵️ 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ the next. And use the emails to send you the next address to mail to when you are finished. 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa https://forms.gle/LkJaSPSGwGjo97RN9 3w

vlwelser I ❤ you and I love this idea but I'm going to pass on this one. Her first book was excellent but this seems like a lot. 3w

JenlovesJT47 You can download it here for free https://annas-archive.org/md5/895afea71b1bda3496edb785dcae9b37 3w

JenlovesJT47 You can download it onto your kindle app or iBooks app! ⬆️ 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @JenlovesJT47 What is this magic ? 2w

JenlovesJT47 Anna‘s Archive is something I stumbled across when I was looking for Sweet Valley books. It is the world‘s largest open library and everything is free. If you want to donate money to them you can and you will get faster downloads but the most you would have to wait to download is 10 minutes which keeps it free for everyone. I love this site because it is great for hard to find, out of print/expensive books. You can download books right to your 2w

JenlovesJT47 Phone! It‘s been a lifesaver for me because I‘m low on funds at the moment. 2w

DGRachel Just FYI, there seems to be some questions around copyright infringement/piracy related to Anna‘s Archive. Something to consider. While this memoir looks amazing, I‘ll be sitting this one out, too. 2w

Bookwormjillk Thanks for this! I couldn‘t find it and am really interested. 2w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DGRachel like I said, I‘m willing to mail my copy on to another interested in reading it after me. Just use the link to drop your mailing information 2w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DGRachel I was afraid of that with sites that I do not know. 2w

JenlovesJT47 I understand if you feel that way, it‘s a personal choice 100%. I have used it for about 3 months now and haven‘t had any problems with it. 🙃 2w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser When life throws us curve balls, adapt is usually my first go too…how can we make this work anyway 😉. 3d

vlwelser I think I looked at my schedule and used this as an excuse to do 1 less thing this month. I hope you all are enjoying the book, though. 3d

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Becoming a Matriarch | Helen Knott

Hello #SheSaid

This is supposed to be our next read, but I‘m having a difficult time getting a copy here in the US. Is anyone else having issues?

staci.reads Yes, all I can find is a $23 dollar paperback from a 3rd party seller on Amazon, and I don't want to go that route for a couple reasons. 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Even on eBay I can only find shipped from England, Canada, or Australia 🤷‍♀️ 3w

Suet624 Looks really good. Bummer it‘s hard to find. 3w

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Suet624 I thought so too, that‘s why I was wondering if anyone else was having issues too 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads I‘m going to order from them, the payment still goes through Amazon and they are located in Canada, so probably why they needed to go 3rd party seller. I‘ll let you know how I make out 3w

MallenNC I only saw it on Amazon for $38 which isn‘t reasonable and I see it on Blackwell‘s site from the UK for $12 (shipping included) but the shipping time probably would not work for our purposes. 3w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa It‘s very odd to me that it‘s won some awards, and that her first memoir is available everywhere, but this one is so difficult to get in the US. 3w

TheKidUpstairs I'm not sure what shipping costs are, but if you want to order it but not use Amazon, I think GoodMinds.com ships to the US. (GoodMinds is a FirstNations owned and operated online book store here in Ontario) 3w

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In Defense of Witches: The Legacy of the Witch Hunts and Why Women Are Still on Trial | Mona CHOLLET

Hello #SheSaid!

I hope you are having a good week! See you in the comments…

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful @Christine ⤵️🧙‍♀️ 4w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 😉 4w

Riveted_Reader_Melissa This section fit in fairly well with the book on medicine we read earlier this year… but the ties into the environmental movements, and capitalism and the draining the land of all resources, wrestling it into submission I thought was a very interesting connection. Witches still are accused of bad weather in movies & tv..nature‘s forces…makes me wonder if we will see an even bigger backlash as environmental disasters get worse 😬 4w

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vlwelser The medicine stuff definitely aligned with books we read previously. I thought this book was good if only because it gave a different non-English speaking perspective. Her sources are a bit different even if she does use some classics like Rich and Steinem 4w

Bookwormjillk @vlwelser I agree it was good to get a non-English perspective. This book didn‘t wow me, but I‘m glad I read it. 4w

MallenNC I think this may have been a little too academic for my brain at the moment but I did enjoy the variety of sources she referenced. Based on the title I thought there‘d be more historical witches though. 4w

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In Defense of Witches: The Legacy of the Witch Hunts and Why Women Are Still on Trial | Mona CHOLLET

Hello #SheSaid!

I hope everyone is having a good week.

Just a reminder if you have not seen it yet to check out our other post to nominate books to read next year. I‘d like to get the survey out soon, so nominate before the end of the month.

See you in the comments for this weeks section:

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful @Christine ⤵️ 🧛‍♂️ 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 🎃 1mo

CatLass007 I can‘t seem to find the post asking for nominations. I already may have seen it and even nominated something but I don‘t remember. 1mo

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Bookwormjillk I‘m finally catching up on this one! It‘s an interesting book. 1mo

JenlovesJT47 I‘m really behind, just started this yesterday 😳 1mo

MallenNC I‘m behind but I jumped ahead to this week‘s section (I‘ll go back to catch up). There wasn‘t anything really surprising in this section— as a woman I‘m well aware of the unfair aging standards! It made me mad to read it all together. I liked her examples from real life and the arts. 1mo

MallenNC I put several suggestions on your other posts. A lot of them are books that I‘ve had on my TBR so I‘m hoping some get picked so I finally read them! 1mo

vlwelser I also added a bunch from my tbr. I tried to pick women's issues but some are history and memoir. Hopefully I remember to vote for them 😂 1mo

vlwelser This book is interesting especially from a French perspective since we usually get UK and US mostly. I think the French do better than the US with the aging thing but they also struggle. We're just way far behind. 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I like added other non-fiction books myself, it‘s still a perspective on anything from the not usual male pov, even if it‘s about the environment or politics or anything. 1mo

vlwelser Perfect. Hopefully we'll get a good mix. 1mo

CatLass007 When I was in the fourth or fifth grade my grandmother moved in with my family. It didn‘t take long for me to decide that getting old was the worst thing that could ever happen to a person. I remember riding bikes with my friends and telling them that I wasn‘t going to get older than 55. They asked how I was going to manage that and my answer was, “I‘ll just off myself.” I was eleven. When I was 50, I joined the Senior Citizens (cont)⬇️ 1mo

CatLass007 Center and somehow a conversation about aging began and I told them about my plan as an eleven year old. I told them I‘d decided to raise my expiration date. I‘m 62 now, more aches and pains than I could have imagined as an eleven year old. The orthopod wants to replace my left knee but I‘ve been putting it off for a few years. Not much gray hair, just like Mom. And as I was listening to this chapter about celebrities going gray I kept (cont)⬇️ 1mo

CatLass007 thinking about Andie McDowell and her gorgeous gray locks. And Jamie Lee Curtis, what a knockout. Back in the early 80s Joan Collins posed for Playboy. I was in college and not thinking that I hoped I looked half that good when I was her age. I was wishing I looked that good THEN. Ageism is a crazy thing. 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 it really is and attitude and morale make such a huge difference 1mo

CatLass007 My grandmother was manic-depressive and her behaviors that I often attributed to her age may have been due to her illness. I grew up with two parents telling me what to do and all of a sudden here was a third person giving me orders. Between the conflicting signals from the three adults in my house and the even more conflicting messages from the nuns… I don‘t think I stood a chance. 1mo

Singout I was the one who nominated this book, but then read it really early, so haven‘t been commenting. I think it‘s excellent and really tackles the issues around aging and independence stigmas well. If you scroll back to earlier in the year in my feed, you can find some of my favourite quotes! 2w

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She Said: Breaking the Sexual Harassment Story That Helped Ignite a Movement | Jodi Kantor, Megan Twohey

Up next for the rest of this year for #SheSaid… put in your library holds and interlibrary loans.

Please add your recommendations for next year in the comments!

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 😉 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa With our current read… this one is moving up my to-read list fast.

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vlwelser Sorry. I'm out in the sun. I thought this was the discussion post. 1mo

CatLass007 I‘m getting a lot of recommendations from Audible because of the books I‘ve listened to for this group. I‘m thinking something by Bell Hooks, maybe

Ain't I a Woman: Black Women and Feminism

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CatLass007 Or

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CatLass007 I also think Pauli Murray would be a wonderful subject about whom we could read or read one of the books she has written.

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CatLass007 Or Rosalind Rosenberg‘s

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CatLass007 Or Dorothy Day‘s autobiography

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CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Thank you. 1mo

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CatLass007 In the #ClassicLSFBC we are voting on November‘s selection. One of the nominees is a book of fiction, Herland by Charlotte Perkins Gilman, seems to fit right in with the books we‘ve been reading for #SheSaid. Gilman was an early 20th Century feminist. Her best known work probably is The Yellow Wallpaper. Herland is about a utopian society which consists entirely of women. What happens when three young men search for and find this community? 3w

CatLass007 Ooorrrrr, I think discussing a book by or about Josephine Baker could prove both entertaining and enlightening. There will be a memoir released in February 2025 called Fearless and Free. Agent Josephine by Damien Lewis is the true story of her activities with the French Resistance during WWII and was released 2022. 3w

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In Defense of Witches: The Legacy of the Witch Hunts and Why Women Are Still on Trial | Mona CHOLLET

Hello #SheSaid. I hope the Fall/Spring season is treating you well wherever you are.

I‘m all caught up this week and really enjoying this book… it‘s funny to me because some of the books she references are ones we have read with SheSaid like Backlash….and other parts remind me of books languishing on my TBR pile (mountain) that I just have not gotten to yet. I am also enjoying the French perspective on all of it.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful @Christine ↪️ 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know. 🤪 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa And if you asked me and I forgot, please remind me. 1mo

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vlwelser It's good. It's not blowing my mind. 1mo

CatLass007 It‘s interesting. The French perspective is new to me and I appreciate the differences. It boggles the mind how far we‘ve come, how much ground we‘ve lost, and how much more we still have to do. 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser yes… blowing my mind is hard to find and predict in advance. We will keep searching. But for October, and election season…it just seems to fit 😂 for better & worse. 1mo

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In Defense of Witches: The Legacy of the Witch Hunts and Why Women Are Still on Trial | Mona CHOLLET

Hello #SheSaid!

I got through the intro & started Chapter one. Sorry, I did not realize the introduction was a long chapter in and of itself…bad planning on my part.

Join in as you catch up (like me)! I‘m really enjoying this one so far….lots of thoughts…see you in the comments!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful ⤵️ (edited) 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @BookBosomed1 @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know 😉 (edited) 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Anyone read this and think of recent comments about childless cat ladies by US political people. 😳 I did! (edited) 2mo

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vlwelser I totally thought about the childless cat ladies. I was actually worried in the intro that she might get into religious topics but so far it seems normal. The French perspective is interesting. 2mo

CatLass007 I am a proud childless catlady! I definitely thought of #45‘s running mate when I heard that section. I was expecting a little more historical and a little less about modern day witches. But this is not a complaint. The author mentioned a slave who was accused of witchcraft in Salem named Tituba and I found several books about her on Audible. I probably should see if they‘re available thru my library. I‘m listening to the audiobook and (cont)⬇️ 1mo

CatLass007 I want to go back and listen again. I was in elementary school when feminists began pushing for the use of Ms. instead of Miss or Mrs. In the South, however, women have been referred to as Miz for centuries. I liked Ms. for several decades but as I get older I notice that more people call me Mrs. and I always correct them and say “It‘s Miss.” I like my singleness and want it acknowledged. Am I socially regressing? I don‘t think so. I‘m (cont)⬇️ 1mo

CatLass007 just being myself. @vlwelser I‘m also appreciative of the French perspective. For non fiction we mostly get the British or American perspective. Nice change. 1mo

DebinHawaii My thoughts also went right to childless cat lady comments. Like @CatLass007 I am a proud one too! It!s interesting so far. 1mo

CatLass007 @DebinHawaii There‘s no better combination than cats and books. 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 & @DebinHawaii How did she say it…any women independent, on her own, and not under the control of a man! We are dangerous! Apparently dangerous in with hunting times and to dangerous to vote according to some today 🤪 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa This quote also made me think of someone who says it a lot: “The phrase “witch-hunt” is a curiously loaded one; deployed nowadays, the speaker is almost certainly using it incorrectly and acting in bad faith (and would unquestionably minimize witch-hunts as historic fact).” 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa And this one…you can tell it‘s political season in the US 😂 “The political enemies of certain high-born figures would occasionally denounce the latter‘s daughters or wives as witches; this was easier than attacking their enemies directly. However, the great majority of victims belonged to the lower classes.” 1mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I did find it both interesting and sadly not surprising how much of the reasoning was still relevant today. The blaming the victim, that if she accused you of anything bad/illegal disregard her, she‘s obviously a witch trying to ruin my good name, to even the researchers who discussed it being a war on women (with an occasional man pulled in) and the others piping up, “not just women, men too!” 1mo

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Magic Tides | Ilona Andrews

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I usually have mixed feelings when an author finishes a series & then restarts it… it was a series I hated to let go of to begin with, and had thought about a re-read recently, so I was more than willing to dive in again. Kate & Curran have moved on, out of Atlanta, for a low-profile start for their new family...None of that pesky history hanging over them! But, a missing child has Kate out looking & taking no prisoners…anonymity can‘t last long!

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Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us | C. N. Lester

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A good memoir that blends in a look at history, thoughtful commentary, and personal lived experiences. This book does all of that and while it emphasizes that not all trans stories or non-binary stories are the same, these were the lived experiences of this author. Very thoughtful & honest, willing to take on the Hollywood version & stereotypes out there, plus a big dose of history we have whitewashed from our collective history.

#SheSaid

AllDebooks This was such an informative, compassionate read. I loved it and so glad we swapped. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks Yes, me too. For a last minute switch, it was the perfect one. 2mo

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She Said: Breaking the Sexual Harassment Story That Helped Ignite a Movement | Jodi Kantor, Megan Twohey

Is anyone else who runs group reads having a terrible time posting tag lists lately?

Trying to figure out if it‘s a device issue on my end or a site change.

julesG It can be tricky at times. Sometimes I have to try multiple times ending up with tagging everyone twice. 🙄 (I'm using Android, btw) 2mo

GingerAntics I‘m on Apple, and every time I tag a list, the first person on the list doesn‘t actually get tagged. I have no idea why. That‘s been going on for like a year or more now, though. 2mo

DGRachel I don‘t do long tag lists anymore but I noticed that I‘ve been tagged recently, the original post shows a blue-text tag like it worked, but I didn‘t get a notification. I just happened to see the post in my feed. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @julesG I use apple and same here, it‘s been ongoing for awhile now and yesterday to took over an hour to get it to take a tag list. So I just wanted to know if it was something on my end or something else. Thank you for letting me know it‘s not just me 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics @DGRachel I‘ve noticed that too 2mo

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In Defense of Witches: The Legacy of the Witch Hunts and Why Women Are Still on Trial | Mona CHOLLET

Up Next in for #SheSaid! Put in your library holds, and it is available on Kindle Unlimited if you use that!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful ⤵️ 2mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know 2mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know 😉 2mo

Megabooks I‘d like to be removed please. 2mo

Bookwormjillk My hold just came through for this one! 2mo

MallenNC I‘m planning to read along this month. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Megabooks ok, I will take care of it. 2mo

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She Said: Breaking the Sexual Harassment Story That Helped Ignite a Movement | Jodi Kantor, Megan Twohey

4 Years Ago!!! Happy Milestone!

Any thoughts or suggestions for the future?

Let me know what you think #SheSaid!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful ⤵️ 2mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please let me know 😉 2mo

vlwelser It's hard to believe it's been 4 years. If you want to keep going, I'm game, but if you're ready to move on, that's ok too. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I was planning on continuing, just curious if anyone had any suggestions to keep it fresh going forward. Anything they like/don‘t like/want to try, etc. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa My only issue lately has been the hour it tags to get the tag list to post 😂 2mo

vlwelser I don't always get the notifications but I know what I'm looking for so this might not be a problem from my side but others might struggle. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser honestly, I‘m glad you search for it yet. I wish I knew why tags were so off lately. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I was also toying with the idea of starting another group read, but I need to do a bit more research first, make sure no one else is doing something similar already. 2mo

AnneCecilie I‘m glad that you say that you want to continue. I try to participate whenever my library has the books, and I always enjoy them, several have made it to my best reads of the years list. I like the diversity. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AnneCecilie I‘m glad you are enjoying them still. But I thought it was a good time to check in, see if people were still into the books, or if they were starting to feel repetitive….and if so what could we do to keep it exciting. I personally have been behind reading the last few books, by that‘s a personal busy period for me, even when I finish the books later, I‘m still finding them very interesting and insightful. 2mo

MallenNC I really enjoy the group, even though I haven‘t been able to keep up with some of our picks lately. I really like the focus on women authors still, and that we mix in a few fiction picks each year. One thought I have is for some of the denser picks, maybe we could stretch beyond one month for those. Sometimes it‘s hard for me to read the full section each week bc I‘m always reading something else along with it. 2mo

MallenNC I am not getting notifications for the tags, but I know to look at your page on Sundays so that‘s actually fine. If you can‘t tag, I think most of the regulars would be able to just come looking for the discussion post each week. 2mo

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Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us | C. N. Lester

Hello #SheSaid!

How is everyone this weekend? I‘m a bit behind this week, kindle issues… but I spent some time with customer service today and I‘m up and running again and hope to catch up soon.

Please start without me, and I‘ll jump in when I finish.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful ⤵️ 2mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa If anyone would like added or removed to the tag list, please let me know 2mo

willaful I thought the points in the last chapters were very valuable, especially about the danger of attributing too much meaning to celebrity progress, and to seeing progress as inevitably. That\'s show itself very true since the book was written.

I was a little puzzled by the author\'s insistence on using the word feminism. It\'s a word so specifically associated with a gendered idea, it doesn\'t seem right for what they\'re trying to express. 2mo

willaful On the other hand, their anger at being always shown as *opposed* to feminism is very understandable. It\'s a common problem with marginalized groups, as shown in the saying \“all the blacks are men, all the women are white\“ -- but especially in this instance, when a subset of feminists are making life so hard for trans people. 2mo

vlwelser @willaful I think their point was the exclusion. The either/or of it. Like there's some feminist/non feminist binary. Maybe it isn't articulated that way. But that's how I read it. 2mo

vlwelser I love the references to the Roxane Gay book which is something everyone should read. 2mo

willaful @vlwelser I wasn\'t very interested in it when I first tried it but now I want to have another go. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 So sorry, I just realized the second half of the tag list did not post. Again, so sorry 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful I took the intersectionality discussion of feminism very much to be the point. Feminism should not be Female first, or a female power movement. But an anti- gender stereotypes holding everyone down and dictating their worth, abilities, etc, etc. and that very much intersects with racism but also ANY group the current societal gender ideas discriminated against. And the fact that some feminists have taken a hard line with “real ⤵️ 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ women” versus everyone else and are forcing an us vs them is wrong. Anyone society looks at as women and discriminates or treats differently because of that, because women-like anything is viewed as less than…that‘s the real fight. And that includes a large section of all kinds of people...really all of society. 2mo

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Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us | C. N. Lester

Hello #SheSaid!

Sorry for the very late post today, just enjoying the fall weather here this weekend!

How is the book going for you? Thoughts on this week‘s section?

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful ⤵️ 2mo

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vlwelser I appreciate the author's opinions more and more as I read further. There's nothing especially earth shattering about this but it's well written and I appreciate the perspective. 2mo

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willaful I like how clearly this book explains things. I\'d heard before that bathroom laws were designed to remove trans people from public life but I don\'t think I really grasped what it meant before. 2mo

DebinHawaii I like how they are laying out the book and the mix of their own stories with the science and history. I am learning a lot and enjoying their perspective.
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AnneCecilie Chapter 8 really had an impact on me, left me tears, both when she was talking about the importance of her brother and when she was returning to one of her previous schools to give a speech 2mo

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Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us | C. N. Lester

Hello #SheSaid!

How is everyone doing this week?

Thoughts on this week‘s sections?

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MallenNC Unfortunately my library doesn‘t have this one so I‘m not able to read it this month. I will keep it on my TBR for the future. 2mo

vlwelser This author is very articulate and I appreciate their perspective on this topic. Glad you found this though I have no idea what the deal was with the other book. 2mo

CatLass007 I confess that I found chapter 5 confusing. Maybe it‘s a factor of my age or preconceived notions. But I don‘t understand the distinction they are making between sex and gender. However I felt chapters 6 and 7 were poignant and informative when they discuss dealing with medical professionals who have their own preconceived ideas about what it is to be transgender. (edited) 2mo

willaful I was struck by the use of proprioception to talk about dysphoria, since I have had proprioception issues myself. And the discussion about the insistence on gender as *opposites*, which isn't even supported by history, is fascinating. 2mo

AnneCecilie I also found chapters 6 and 7 to be eye opening. Her horse riding story made an impact on me. How when she was young she had fallen of the horse and needed several operations. Another girl was there after having her pelvis crushed after the pony she was riding fell on her. The doctor had told her parents “that horse riding was more risky than riding a motorbike” and jet young girls are encouraged to do it. But we tell young people who want 2mo

AnneCecilie treatment that it‘s too dangerous. (edited) 2mo

willaful @AnneCecilie Yes, that was a powerful story.

@CatLass007 I think part of the point is that “sex“ can be much murkier than people like to think. 2mo

DebinHawaii While Chapter 5 was interesting, I also found myself caught up in Chapter 6 & 7. I am impressed with the author‘s writing & how they related their stories mixed in with other experiences & the science. It makes it very readable & I‘m learning a lot. 2mo

Bookwomble @vlwelser I know this is a bit late in the day for a response, but the other book that was initially considered is virulently transphobic. 1mo

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Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us | C. N. Lester

Hello #SheSaid

I know this book substitution came suddenly, so have you found a copy, and if so, how do you feel about it so far?

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel @willaful ⤵️ 2mo

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CatLass007 I am learning so much from this author. I‘m learning some of what trans people go through. I‘m learning that I have many preconceived ideas about what it means to be trans. I was in junior high when Renee Richards had what was then called a “sex change” operation. She was not a public figure, she was an ophthalmologist. Her gender didn‘t become an issue until she wanted to play professional tennis. I remember riding on the school bus, (cont)⬇️ 2mo

CatLass007 listening to a girl who had decided to write a report on Dr. Richards. I don‘t remember any of what she said except for repeatedly saying “she, I mean it.” I believe she was deliberately saying “she” so that she could supposedly correct herself to say “I mean it.” I didn‘t really understand the politics and hostility felt about Dr. Richards by most of the world. I just knew that what the girl on the school bus was saying wasn‘t (cont)⬇️ 2mo

CatLass007 just disrespectful it was hateful. Things haven‘t changed much in society‘s treatment of trans people. I was wondering what had happened to Renee Richards so I googled her. She retired from performing surgery at the age of 80. She is now 90 years old and doing well. 2mo

willaful Ooops, I forgot to ask to get retagged. I just got it and will try to catch up. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful I added you already, you should have gotten tagged 2mo

vlwelser They have a perspective that seems to be missing from this very interesting group of people. We have read other books by trans authors. But that may not be common. I have heard the Caitlin Jenner opinion before. As in, why do people seem to think that's their figurehead or whatever. I wouldn't want her as my spokesperson either. I totally get that. 2mo

DebinHawaii Interesting & illuminating so far. I‘m learning a lot & like the author‘s writing style. 2mo

AnneCecilie Like several others have already stated, I‘m learning a lot. There‘s something about seeing tings from different perspectives 2mo

willaful I was struck by how the author couldn't use HRT, as a singer. I always enjoy reading less conventional transgender narratives. It's good to hear different stories.

I don't think I'd read much from a transgender perspective about Jenner before, and that was interesting. 2mo

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Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us | C. N. Lester

Hello #SheSaid!

Our replacement book for this month.

Please put in your library holds & interlibrary loans.

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CatLass007 I see my name in the tag list but I haven‘t been getting your tags lately. Is there a customer service contact that we could consult? 3mo

CatLass007 Oh, but I‘m in. 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I don‘t know of any…and it‘s been giving me trouble posting the tag list lately too 🤷‍♀️ 2mo

CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I found an email address for customer service. You‘re not the only person who‘s tagged me and I didn‘t receive a notice. For some reason I got the tag above. 2mo

CatLass007 What is the title of the other book we were considering? I‘m finding this book very enlightening and I would like to see if the other book is available through my library. 2mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007

Before We Were Trans: A New History of Gender

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CatLass007 Thank you. 2mo

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Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality | Helen Joyce

Next up for #SheSaid….not sure…

1 week to catch up, then onto ????

Please read the comments below & discuss

willaful Remove me from the tag list for this book please. 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful Ok, will do! 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel ⤵️ 3mo

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Bookwomble In case you're not aware, Joyce is a noted transphobe who promotes "gender critical" views and has called for "a reduction in the number of trans people", which echoes some scary ideologies. https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/06/03/helen-joyce-transgender-lgbtq/ 3mo

Bookwomble @willaful ♥️🏳️‍⚧️♥️ 3mo

willaful @Bookwomble 😍 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Bookwomble let me finish tagging everyone and then maybe we need to discuss an alternate… 🫠 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 ⤵️ 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Read the link above everyone…there seem to be some issues with this author & book. We need to discuss! Let me know if you still want to read, skip, pick an alternate, etc. 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Bookwomble Thank you for letting me know. 3mo

Bookwomble If you want to read a book about trans people by a trans person, I'd recommend the tagged 😊

Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us

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Suet624 Oooh boy. I think a different author would be best. 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Anyone read Before We Were Trans yet? Any good?

Before We Were Trans: A New History of Gender

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Suet624 yep! 😬 3mo

CatLass007 I had decided I wasn‘t interested in this book because of the author. But if another book is chosen I might be interested. 3mo

CatLass007 I could get behind Trans Like Me.

Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us

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AllDebooks Bloody hell, her comments are utterly vile and make me very uncomfortable indeed. I would not want to read or support any author with those views. Thanks for sharing @Bookwomble 3mo

AllDebooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I would be happy to read either Trans like me or Before we were trans 🏳️‍⚧️ 3mo

Bookwomble @AllDebooks ✊🏳️‍⚧️✊😊 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful Do you want added back to an alternate book and to help us pick it out? 3mo

Singout Before we Were Tran gets my vote because it‘s accessible to me and I like the spectrum of times and places it seems to cover. But, I can‘t *promise* that I will read it! 3mo

willaful @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Thanks! From the reviews, I'm more interested in Trans Like Me. 3mo

AnneCecilie My library has Trans Like Me so I would prefer that (edited) 3mo

DebinHawaii Oh bummer. Just reading this now & I wish I hadn‘t purchased the first book on Kindle a couple weeks ago. 😩 Hopefully I can return it. That being said, Trans Like Me is available to borrow in e-book at my library, so I prefer that one. 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii try to return it, hopefully you can. I‘m sorry. I did not realize there has been an issue with the author either. 3mo

DebinHawaii @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Not your fault at all! Sometimes they just sneak in there! 3mo

vlwelser And so we pivot. 😂 I missed this convo somehow. I will try to find the other book. 3mo

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Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine And Myth in a Man-Made World | Elinor Cleghorn

Hello #SheSaid! I‘m still far behind on this one, and I know a few others of you got late starts as well.

How is it going? Getting there slowly, but surely?

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vlwelser I think this was definitely worth reading even if there is nothing earth shattering or groundbreaking about it. 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa There is an issue with our next book…please check out that post and let me know what you think 3mo

AllDebooks I'm still behind, too. I'm fascinated by it but can only cope with reading small chunks at a time. 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks next week will be catch up week for this book for me 🤞 but I‘m having the same tiny sections is all I can do, some is real life, some is tough reading.🤷‍♀️ 3mo

AllDebooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa it's the tough subject matter for me. I get very shouty at the book, and then I feel bad, as it's not the books fault. 😅 3mo

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Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine And Myth in a Man-Made World | Elinor Cleghorn

Hello #SheSaid!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel ⤵️ 3mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please just let me know. 3mo

vlwelser I'm still entirely drawn into this. The history is fascinating. I think I may start to get more annoyed as we move closer to the present. Also the narrator on the audio is sort of awful. The way she pronounces things occasionally drives me up a wall. 3mo

Suet624 I‘ll have to skip this one but thank you for keeping me on your list. 3mo

kspenmoll I just got called that the library has this hold in- plan to read but will be my own pace. 3mo

staci.reads I just got my copy! I have some catching up to do! 3mo

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Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine And Myth in a Man-Made World | Elinor Cleghorn

Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m still behind, but starting to make some progress. Sorry, some unwell women in my household at the moment too…my mom had back surgery last Friday…. But I‘ll get caught up eventually. I hope everyone is learning lots and if not enjoying the topic, enjoying knowing you are not alone or imagining some of this stuff.

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TheBookHippie Seeing all the post I just put it on hold at the library! Hope things settle down by you. 3mo

CatLass007 I‘m behind also. I‘m feeling a lot of powerful emotions reading this book. Anger is at the top. It‘s good to know the history but it‘s stressful learning all of this. I‘m hoping that the author offers possible solutions to the imbalance of power that still exists in society and particularly in medicine. If that doesn‘t happen, I will feel like I‘ve wasted my time and energy on this book. 3mo

AnneCecilie I‘m also behind, but I knew pretty early on that this book was gonna make me angry and it does. Marriage and children seem to be the cure for every female malady for a long time. I read Wollstonecraft ages ago, but at had no idea that she wrote it in this climate. She was way braver than I thought 3mo

willaful I forgot all about this, being an unwell woman myself at the moment. @#$!@# covid! 3mo

MallenNC I‘m behind too (bc of the Olympics) but I thought about this book a lot while at two doctors‘ appointments this week. I don‘t feel dismissed by my doctors but I still don‘t always feel fully seen, so to speak. 3mo

DebinHawaii I read the first section but have not started the second because I wasn‘t in the mood to “rage read” this week & this book‘s subject infuriates me.🤬 That being said, it‘s good & right up your alley @TheBookHippie 3mo

TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii I‘m in rage at the medical field so should be fun 😵‍💫🤦🏻‍♀️👀 3mo

vlwelser The second section is more history stuff but we're getting closer to present day. This does actually explain a lot of things in a coherent and well researched way. There's a lot on giving birth and some of it was horrifying. 3mo

AllDebooks Wishing your mum a speedy recovery. I can not stop reading this, but I will have to as I'm at boiling point with the stupid medicine men. I just can't. I'm always fascinated by the history of medicine, but it's very rarely focused on the women before. I just need to read something light and fluffy. Does anyone know any good books on castration? 🤔😈 3mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks 😂 yea! That‘s the ticket! I keep putting it down and am off reading Mercy Thompson 🤣. Apparently medical real life and this book have lead to for fun reading. 3mo

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Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine And Myth in a Man-Made World | Elinor Cleghorn

Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m a bit behind this week, but I hope the rest of you are enjoying our new selection. I‘ll catch up soon and meet you in the comments.

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DebinHawaii Just picked up my copy from the library yesterday so I‘ll be catching up. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii We can catch up together 😉 4mo

CatLass007 I‘m not sure that this is a book to be enjoyed, although it is intriguing and informative. I‘ve listened to the introduction and the first two chapters. It feels like being punched in the gut. I‘m participating in the #SundayBuddyRead also and there‘s a scene in which a wealthy man threatens to have his wife committed. Same damn thing. Women had no rights and the Right Wingers in the USA want to take away the rights we‘ve fought so hard for. 4mo

vlwelser This book is so detailed and interesting. She clearly did so much research. I love it so far. As a book. Not the ridiculous treatment of women. I hate that. 4mo

MallenNC I was only able to read the first chapter after getting this from the library yesterday. I think it‘s going to be thought provoking 4mo

AnneCecilie I‘ve picked it up from the library, but haven‘t started it yet. I‘ll get back once I‘ve read this part 4mo

staci.reads I can't even begin to list the stories in the 1st five chapters that were most appalling! Too many to recount! But the story of Anne Green, who survived being hanged, stomped on, and nearly autopsied after burying her stillborn fetus, and the stories of Anarcha, Betsy, and Lucy, enslaved girls who were horrifically experimented on, were a gut punch. ⬇️ 3mo

staci.reads I so appreciate this author documenting their experiences with names, dates, and facts. It takes these things that, in abstract, I knew happened and humanizes these women. 3mo

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Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine And Myth in a Man-Made World | Elinor Cleghorn

Up next for #SheSaid!

Put in your library holds & interlibrary loans!

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Stone Blind: A Novel | Natalie Haynes

Interesting to me #SheSaid that Poseidon is listed as her Consort …since NO myth version I‘ve heard or read refer to their union as consensual or ongoing. Also interesting that on her death she birthed two children of that “Union” 🙄. 1 being Pegasus! Everyone‘s favorite winged horse!

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KathyWheeler I haven‘t ever heard a story that described their union as consensual either. I wonder why Haynes chose to leave out Medusa‘s children though. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler I think that‘s some good white washing euphemism… I thought of googling some others Zeus “visited” 🙄. I guess the children part might be confusing as the burst out of her blood when she was beheaded 🤷‍♀️ 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Not Medusa‘s story per say, a different story 4mo

Julsmarshall Consort 🤨🙄😝 4mo

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Stone Blind: A Novel | Natalie Haynes

Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m not going to lie…even though I knew the myth and how it was all going to end, I felt let down at the end anyway….which I guess means the author did a really great job 😜

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Karisa Yes! It was so sad the ending for Medusa especially. Even though the myth is set in stone, the author managed to make me hope for better for her too. I didn‘t realize we‘d still have her point of view after her demise—creative and so morbid. It was brilliant! I was surprised by how Athena was portrayed too. I‘ve never thought of her so negatively. Need to pick a new favorite Greek goddess after reading this… (edited) 4mo

KathyWheeler I was really hoping we‘d get a new ending for Medusa, even though I knew we wouldn‘t. I loved the way we continued to hear from her though. 4mo

willaful To quote “Hadestown“:

It‘s a sad song
It‘s a sad tale, it‘s a tragedy
It‘s a sad song
But we sing it anyway

[sighs]
[spoken]
Cause, here‘s the thing:
To know how it ends
And still begin to sing it again
As if it might turn out this time
I learned that from a friend of mine 4mo

MallenNC I felt sad too. I really liked how she reframed it to show Medusa was not the monster of the story, but the ending was still hard. I‘m going to read more of the author‘s work for sure. I‘ve had A Thousand Ships on my TBR forever. 4mo

DebinHawaii I‘m so glad I finally read this even with the sad ending still happening. I liked the way it was told. & like as @MallenNC said, the framing of Medusa not being the monster. I will read more from Haynes. 4mo

vlwelser She proves that every story has a different point of view depending on the narrator. I'm giving it a pick for sure. Athene sort of gets her just deserts at the end. Serves her right. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @willaful that‘s great! 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I loved that at the end she was almost confused by her own curse, and hurt by it…because it turned someone she cared about into stone too 4mo

Julsmarshall Just finished this and I echo everyone‘s thoughts. I will think about this for a while. So well done! 4mo

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Stone Blind: A Novel | Natalie Haynes

Hello #SheSaid! How are you this weekend? The story is moving along quickly now…thoughts? We know where it‘s headed really…but I want more.

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Karisa I‘m enjoying this quite a bit. Feels like it is going by so fast. It has me wanting to look up more about Medusa and the Gorgons because this retelling is so different than the one I know. I love the spin on Perseus, too funny. I‘m listening on audiobook because I love hearing this author narrate. She puts so much life into her characters! Her book A Thousand Ships is amazing too.

A Thousand Ships

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Karisa I just picked up her Pandora‘s Jar to get a bit more backstory. It was on kindle unlimited for free reading, and is supposed to be non-fiction. Apparently many of the myths we learned are watered down versions of the originals that were more female centric, reducing them to side characters and wives. So I thought I‘d check it out. It wouldn‘t surprise me though, we know there is a world of difference between other myths through the⤵️

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ the ages from say Grims Tales or Hans Christian Anderson to Disney (edited) 4mo

vlwelser Perseus is such a tool. But I think that's the point. The one whose story I don't know is actually Andromeda and I'm still curious there. I love the writing in this, the random side character perspectives, the latest being the snakes. 4mo

vlwelser I need to look up Pandora's Jar and give it a listen. But my queue is absurd rn. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa …actually Litsy has it listed as Fiction too. 🤷‍♀️ we will see 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser mine too. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I see the second half of the tag list never posted…. Let me try again… 4mo

MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I also got Pandora‘s Jar from my library to read once we‘re done with this one. 4mo

MallenNC I really like the writing of this retelling. I am excited to finish it but I‘ll also be a little sad to be done. I‘m already feeling sad for Medusa. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC me too 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 🤞 please post 🫠 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 🤞 please post…. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Ok then…be that way 😂 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC anyway…after a posting snafu…I feel bad for her too, and if you know the myth at all you know it‘s not a happy ending for her…which makes it worse 🫤 4mo

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MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes knowing how it ends has given a sense of dread throughout as I‘m reading the book. It shows how much a difference providing POV makes bc I don‘t remember thinking much about Medusa at all when reading the myth in school 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC very true! 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa So the work of a good author ✍️ 4mo

KathyWheeler I never thought much about Medusa while I was learning about Greek mythology or watching Clash of the Titans. This book made me think about her. 4mo

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Holding It Together: How Women Became America's Safety Net | Jessica Calarco

This looks good, putting it here so I hopefully remember to add it to #SheSaid the next time we vote to add books!

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Stone Blind: A Novel | Natalie Haynes

Hello #SheSaid!

How are you doing this weekend?

Thoughts on this week‘s section?

See you in the comments!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread @DGRachel ⤵️ 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 😊 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m really liking this…and the asides from some characters are really great. It is not only a great way to piece together parts of the story, but those asides I find amusing….and they tie together the mythology so much better from individual stories to a whole narrative. 4mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa “There are 50 of us, and you don‘t know our names…can‘t you count to 50” 😂 (edited) 4mo

vlwelser I just finished this section. And not a whole heck of a lot happened but it seems like it's setting up the plot to carry forward. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser yes, setting up all the players on their paths with what they need before they intersect. 4mo

vlwelser That nonsense with the nymphs was quite comical. I do enjoy the way this was written. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Yes, I think she is doing a good job weaving together both the comical parts, and dark parts into a cohesive story. The Crow was good too and I enjoyed the Nereid, Unnamed and her anger, plus the asides on how Perseus treated different groups he meet, and how stupid the gods guiding him think of him (any mortal really). They are just oblivious to anything not important to them. Gaia, that was some unexpected twist I did not ⤵️ 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ Remember…hey, this god assaulted you. Let me give you his child to care for. 🫤 (edited) 4mo

KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yeah, I didn‘t remember that either. And then to learn Poseidon set up that whole proposal?! I loved the section with Perseus and the Hesperides. 4mo

MallenNC I just got caught up with this section. I am really enjoying her style, and how approachable the writing is (edited) 4mo

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Stone Blind: A Novel | Natalie Haynes

Hello #SheSaid!

How are you all doing this week?

Liking the new book, it‘s a definitely a shift from our last book and normal non-fiction, but I‘m enjoying it…I‘ve always liked mythology, so for me it‘s a fun read. I was hoping for more of a Circe-type deep dive, but we are still at the beginning.

See you in the comments!

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 😊 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa It also reminds me that Greek mythology is basically all 1 big trigger warning for women. 4mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa But I like how she is handling those parts without ignoring them or breezing over them 4mo

MallenNC I don‘t remember a lot from studying Greek myths in school but I remember the basics of this story. I like how she is telling it, especially as it gets further into the narrative. It‘s doing a good job of making the reader consider who the monsters really are in these stories. (edited) 4mo

DGRachel I really love how Haynes writes. I appreciate that while she has hit on some of the horrible things, she didn‘t dwell on it or go into detail. 4mo

vlwelser This book is so girl power and I love how she keeps calling out Zeus and the other dudes for being very rapey. And how they point out that Perseus is only a hero from one perspective. I mean he does go cut off Medusa's head. Poor Medusa. 4mo

MallenNC @vlwelser I loved that chapter where she said “I bet you feel sorry for poor little Perseus” and then proceeds to destroy that idea. 4mo

KathyWheeler @MallenNC That‘s my favorite chapter so far! I just love the way it‘s told. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC & @KathyWheeler Yes, loved that part. Normal hero myth, nope! Let me tell you the real story 😂 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DGRachel Exactly. They can be hard to retell just because of all the violence, but I also like that she is confronting it, but not dwelling, not just sweeping it under the rug. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I also liked that she is “humanizing” Hera a bit. Who is usually just jealous vindictive to all of her husband‘s bastard children. But they point out, she can‘t get revenge against him, so that‘s all she can do. Meanwhile how little Zeus cares.. ‘remember that girl you liked…which one…the one locked in a prison…ummm…the one you turned into rain to sleep with…oh yea, she was nice and lonely….she going to die.. oh…and your son….‘ ⤵️ 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ Hera thinks he cares, the woman sometimes thinks he cares and is watching over the kids, his new goddess daughter thinks he cares. Meanwhile he doesn‘t think about any of them, totally oblivious. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I am waiting for Athena to grow up a bit. She‘s so young and needy yet here as a newborn goddess, I‘m waiting for her to grow into that wisdom bit. 4mo

vlwelser He doesn't care even a tiny bit. He barely remembers any of them. They have to tell him a story with himself as the main character before he even remembers. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser yes! Exactly! 😂 4mo

KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think I forget about the newborn aspect of Athena. I hope she does grow into that wisdom. Right now, she‘s a brat. 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler yes she is, guess they needed to find a reason for the curse from a wisdom Goddess 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Maybe the idea is, they are all brats, no matter their qualities. Plus someone once told me a different version of Medusa, maybe not so much a curse as a gift so no one could touch her again if she didn‘t want them too. Curious to see how this one spins it 4mo

CatLass007 Last month I participated in the #LiteraryCrew buddy read of the author‘s A Thousand Ships, which I believe was excellent. It deals with the after effects of the Trojan War from the female perspective. Stone Blind also focuses on the perspectives of female characters and characters that are neither human nor Olympian, but something else entirely. I‘ve finished the book so I‘m making every effort to not spoil anything. Such a good book! 4mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I‘m so glad you liked it! But yes, don‘t tell us… I‘m trying so hard not to read ahead with this one. 4mo

CatLass007 @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I have read several retellings of myths in the last couple of years. The two by Natalie Haynes have to be my favorites. 4mo

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Stone Blind: A Novel | Natalie Haynes

Up Next #SheSaid!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 😊 5mo

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DGRachel Would you add me? I‘ve had this book on my shelf for a while and I‘d love to read it with a group. 5mo

Karisa 🎉 I just finished her novel Thousand Ships and loved it. Can‘t wait to jump into this one. I‘m going with the audiobook because the author narrates them wonderfully! Hope my loan comes in in time 🤞 5mo

CatLass007 Can‘t wait to get started with this. 5mo

MallenNC I just got this so I‘m ready to start! 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DGRachel yes, I can! welcome! 5mo

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Stone Blind: A Novel | Natalie Haynes

Up Next for #SheSaid

Pick up your library book and put in your interlibrary loans!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 😊 5mo

vlwelser Is there a schedule for Stone Blind? 5mo

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DebinHawaii Looking forward to it! 5mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @DebinHawaii It‘s up now! Had to pick up my library book today 😉 5mo

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Run Towards the Danger | Sarah Polley

Hello #SheSaid!

What a different essay to wrap up the book!

Let me know what you thought of this last one and the book as a whole. See you in the comments!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 5mo

CatLass007 I thought the final essay was very enlightening. I am disabled and have several “invisible” illnesses. Sarah Polley‘s mention of people believing she was “malingering” sounded very familiar. 5mo

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vlwelser This last essay was great even if it maybe didn't fit exactly with the others. That treatment plan was something else and also that it worked. I loved this entire book. 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 me too! And yes, so YES! From the time I was little other kids accused me of putting it on for attention, with no idea how I wanted to be able to just run with the rest of them unnoticed. People are crazy and so quick to out any otherness. 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser it didn‘t fit exactly, but yet…it did, that running towards the danger was the theme of most of the book. So it seemed off from the rest, yet essential. 5mo

vlwelser As always she kind of just does her thing. She doesn't actually need a theme. This last essay actually made me worry about her wellbeing. The other essays were more retrospective. 5mo

MallenNC I really liked the last one. A lot stood out to me, from the randomness of her injury to all the contradictory advice and treatment she got, and how she was treated by others. The doctor in the US was so interesting too. Overall I really liked this book and am glad we read it! I wouldn‘t have otherwise bc I hadn‘t heard of it. 5mo

DebinHawaii I agree, although it was different than the others I liked how it brought us full circle with the title of the book & found it really interesting as well. I enjoyed this book & I‘m glad it was a pick. Like @MallenNC I probably wouldn‘t have come across it on my own. 5mo

Singout What @CatLass007 said, as per my earlier post. I can really resonate with her stories of multiple doctors/theories and am glad she found what she needed even if it seemed a bit strange. I‘m going to share this with others who struggle with similar situations, although each is different. It‘s important to put these stories out there, especially from a respected voice. I also appreciated what she said about grounding herself in family. 5mo

KathyWheeler The last essay was interesting and also pointed out the failure of many medical systems. She could afford to spend that money to go outside of Canada to get treatment that worked for her, and I‘m glad for her that she could. How many others would be able to do the same? 5mo

AnneCecilie For me the last essay brought the collection full circle and explained the title. It‘s amazing how what appear to be a small accident can cause so much trouble and over so many years. I had no idea who Sarah Polley before reading this collection and I never would have gotten to this on my own. So happy to have read it with this group 5mo

Suet624 That last essay was amazing. I can‘t imagine living that way for years. Thank you for bringing this book to us to read. It was great. 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m so glad you all enjoyed it. I had never heard of it before either…so thank you whoever recommended it. 5mo

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Run Towards the Danger | Sarah Polley

Hello #SheSaid!

How is everyone doing this weekend?

Is everyone starting to catch up?

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 5mo

MallenNC For once I am caught up! I enjoyed this essay about how her early career impacts her motherhood and her return to a place that had been a challenge during her child star days. 5mo

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vlwelser Every essay makes me love her even more. She's very self aware. I'm sad to be finishing. She's so fierce and I think she's a great role model. Her voice is powerful and she uses it. 5mo

MallenNC @vlwelser I wasn‘t really familiar with her before this book. I remember her at the Oscars, I think! I‘m going to look up more of her work when we‘re done with the book. 5mo

vlwelser @MallenNC start with Women Talking. That's what she got the Oscar for. But Dawn of the Dead is pretty epic. She did a lot of indie stuff also. 5mo

Singout I‘m caught up too! I found this thoughtful: tensions between her memories and her current life, and the the way she could lay down what had been expected of her for such a long time. I loved the Anne Green Gables books when I was a kid and that was definitely a huge pilgrimage when I was seven, and my kid sister was addicted to the TV series, so I can relate to those girls! Interesting to see her point of view on it. 5mo

Julsmarshall Her perspective is so thoughtful and raw. I love her thoughts around being a child actor and the layered feelings around it. Such a brilliant voice! 5mo

MallenNC @vlwelser Thanks! I will start there then. I‘m looking forward to it. 5mo

vlwelser @Singout I definitely stopped watching the show quite so religiously after they wrote her out of it. She was really my fav. I still adore her. Total fangirl. I have no idea who suggested this book. I listened to the audio which she reads. 5mo

DebinHawaii I‘m caught up too. As others have said, I‘m enjoying her perspectives on being a child star & dealing with celebrity. She is very insightful & each essay draws me in. 5mo

Singout @vlwelser I suggested the book! It‘s been on my TBR list for a while. (edited) 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I really like the way she explores in multiple essays the way she remembers things happening as a child, doubts her own memories of the event….it wasn‘t that bad, right?…not that severe, right?…all her imagination embellishing & over exaggerated, right? ….if it had been that bad others would have intervened or said something, so it couldn‘t have been…. But each time she turns to face it and really revisit it, instead of downplaying it and ⤵️ 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ and doubting herself….she usually finds she was not imagining it or overblowing it. It was real and happened. Hers is often about being a child star, so she has the benefit of there being some news clips, footage to verify some of it, but I think it‘s very useful to anyone with any childhood trauma. ⤵️ (edited) 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Because “the adults” don‘t want to feel badly, they are fine with downplaying your childhood experiences, it absolves them too if it wasn‘t “that bad” “didn‘t happen that way” “you are overblowing it”, etc. but for me the message is, children are not stupid, they know, and their feelings are real & valid and society does them a huge disservice by minimizing their thoughts & experiences. 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa In many ways our current society still has a long way to go in the children‘s rights area. They are still second class citizens whose lives are dictated by their parents or guardians, with little say themselves or recourse if things are not ok. 5mo

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Run Towards the Danger | Sarah Polley

Hello #SheSaid! Sorry for the very late post this weekend! How are you all doing with the book and this week‘s essay?

Happy Father‘s Day to the Dads in the US today too (and elsewhere even if your Father‘s Day is not today 😉)

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 5mo

vlwelser This essay about basically putting young children in danger for art was sort of mind blowing. I think that's actually what this book is known for. Or why it got a lot of attention. Aside from Sarah Polley being a unicorn. 5mo

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MallenNC This essay about how unprotected she was making that movie was sad. She did a good job unpacking the different layers of blame she had for her parents and the filmmakers. 5mo

KathyWheeler What got to me was how long it took her to place any blame on the director! Children clearly need more stringent rules in place to protect them. I was shocked at what she was put through. 5mo

Singout I‘m late to the game, even though I think I nominated the book! I‘ve found all these essays powerful: this one really unpacks a lot of layers, as others have said. She does a really good job of articulating the tensions between her needs and fears as a child actor, the trauma caused by uncertainty and pressure with her parental relationships, and feeling both exploited and charmed by Gilliam. I‘ve never seen the movie but I am now intrigued. 5mo

Julsmarshall I‘m behind, my hold on the #audio just came in but I‘m already on the second chapter. What a heartbreaking story and powerful voice. With her directorial chops, I‘m not surprised that she is such a great writer. 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler I think because at that age you think of your parents as still all knowing and god-like beings that protect and care for you. So any danger that comes is their mistake. It takes the growing up to a certain age, where you realize they are just human too and make the same human mistakes as anyone else, that more comes in. Most kids hit that in the teens, that‘s why they become rebellious and do not take everything you say ⤵️ (edited) 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa To heart anymore, because you don‘t really “know” anything. But for our author, that normal growing up pattern through different age groups is all over the place, which she mentions in here, no boundaries as a child, and moving out while still so young. So I‘m not surprised it took here awhile to get there 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I really liked the accountability of everyone at the end…. The white, male, mad-geniuses are permitted to risk everyone for “the art” but that would not be tolerated by other directors/artists. I also like that the other mad genius Robin Williams who is just mentioned briefly, but in a completely different and caring way… just showed it didn‘t have to be that way. 5mo

KathyWheeler @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I agree with everything you just said. 5mo

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Run Towards the Danger | Sarah Polley

Hello #SheSaid! I hope you are having a good weekend so far!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa So far I‘m liking her writing style, it loops sometimes and goes on tangents, but they somehow always loop back & reconnect. I thought the last 2 essays, the ones in this section were very good. 5mo

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vlwelser I think she's a great story teller. Even if she didn't finish high school. Both of these essays are very impactful. She tells what these experiences are like as experienced rather than observed. I think that's powerful. 5mo

MallenNC I think she‘s a good storyteller too. I liked both of the essays in this section especially how honest she was about why she didn‘t initially share her “Me too” experience. I was thinking how many of the books we‘ve read together include sexual assault. It‘s an indication of how common an experience it is, but her story shows why it‘s still hard to talk about. 5mo

KathyWheeler I really liked how she talked about why she didn‘t come forward about her assault. I think so many victims don‘t for many of the same reasons, yet practically the first question asked when people do come forward is, “Why didn‘t you report it right away?” Umm — because I didn‘t want to be assaulted again by the “justice” system. (edited) 5mo

CatLass007 She is a fine storyteller. I have learned a lot from this book and another book I just finished, Elyn Saks‘s The Center Cannot Hold, how poorly women are treated in the healthcare system and it‘s not just in the US, it‘s in Canada. Polley‘s mother was labeled a “hypochondriac.” Saks was written off as a woman with a mental illness. Polley‘s mother died of cancer. Saks had a brain bleed. Drs take men‘s health complaints more seriously than women‘s. 5mo

CatLass007 I have to add that I have been blessed to never have been sexually assaulted or harassed. I often wondered why women waited years to come forward about their horrific experiences. Anita Hill only came forward when Clarence Thomas was nominated for the Supreme Court. She may have had some idea of how she would be treated. Growing up with two Republican parents, I was often much further to the left than either could imagine. But we all (cont)⬇️ 5mo

CatLass007 believed her. When the #MeToo era arrived I didn‘t have much difficulty believing that these women had been sexually assaulted. It did take me a long time to wrap my head around the idea that the Jell-O Pudding, Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable, America‘s dad, Bill Cosby could have done the things of which he was accused. Phylicia Rashad portrayed his wife in two different series and she‘d never had any trouble. In fact, she was a vocal (cont)⬇️ 5mo

CatLass007 supporter. It wasn‘t until I watched a documentary miniseries on Prime Video that I came to realize that there were plenty of reasons not to come forward against Cosby or any other man. The courage it takes for women to come forward about their sexual assault, whether the perpetrator is famous or not, is astounding. I have so much respect for each and every one of them. 5mo

AnneCecilie Both these essays were powerful. It was heartbreaking reading about how victims of sexual assault aren‘t the “ideal” victims because they sometimes take a long time to come forward, don‘t have a straight memory of the events and some may even have interacted with their assaulter afterwards. And it‘s hard to read about how lawyers she knew didn‘t want her to come forward because they knew how she would be treated, really an indicator of that (edited) 5mo

AnneCecilie something has to change. I thought I would be safe in the other one since it‘s about having kids and I don‘t have any and never wanted any, but the pages after the birth had me constantly crying. I was a mess. (edited) 5mo

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Run Towards the Danger | Sarah Polley

Hello #SheSaid!

This book started out with a very strong essay. How did you feel about it? Plus I learned a whole lot about Lewis Carroll that I wish I didn‘t know 🫣. See you in the comments ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 6mo

MallenNC I wasn‘t really familiar with Sarah Polley before this, so reading that essay without any preconceptions was interesting. Her dad definitely made me uncomfortable, much like the Lewis Carroll references. I‘d heard a little about his relationship with the real Alice before but not so specifically. 6mo

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vlwelser I love Sarah Polley. I grew up on the Canadian border, in rural NY, so my TV options were not vast. She's in this LM Montgomery adaptation that I cannot currently remember the name of, that I was obsessed with. In addition to Road to Avonlea. The Lewis Carroll stuff is creepy and also that it parallels her father's behavior. 6mo

vlwelser I had to look it up it's a tv adaptation of this random LM Montgomery novel

Jane of Lantern Hill

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DebinHawaii I knew her a little from Road to Avonlea & a movie she did called My Life Without Me but I didn‘t know anything about her personal life. Yes, the Lewis Carroll thing continues to disturb but the stuff with her father really creeped me out.🤢 6mo

staci.reads I just finished the first essay, and I'm having a hard time with this one. I'm not connecting with the author at all. I'm finding her irritating. No doubt it's a me problem right now, but I'm trying to decide whether to continue with this book or put it aside. 5mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads Not every book is for every one. It took me forever to learn that one. If you want to try 1 more essay, go for it….but if not, do not be afraid to call it for yourself and move onto something else. Life is too short if you are not enjoying it right now. (edited) 5mo

AnneCecilie I hadn‘t heard about Sarah Polley before, but I recognized the movie referenced on the cover (Women Talking, it seem this one). Both Lewis Carroll and her dad mad me uncomfortable. But I think I was more sad for the girl that had to grow up to fast, she moved out at 14 and take care of herself and how bad her stage fright became that she used a 10 hr back surgery to get out of the play 5mo

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Run Towards the Danger | Sarah Polley

Hello #SheSaid

Next up for June! Pick up your library holds, interlibrary loans, or pick this one up on kindle (currently only 4.99 in the US).

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 6mo

Suet624 I've been wanting to read this for ages - unfortunately none of my libraries has it and I don't read on a Kindle but I was able to find a copy on BetterWorldBooks! So I'm in! 6mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Suet624 That‘s great! I was waiting on a library hold and just caved today and bought the ebook kindle version 😂 6mo

willaful I'm going to skip this one. Busy month. 6mo

MallenNC My library has this so I am hoping my hold comes in soon. 6mo

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Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World | Naomi Klein

Hello #SheSaid! How are you this weekend? Long weekend if you are in the US.

I‘m still behind with the sections on this one, but it‘s very good, and for me at least, taking my time with it is helping me absorb more I think.

I hope you are all getting things from it too. Please let me know how you are making out with this month‘s selection.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros @Deblovestoread ⤵️ 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa First, my apologies for being perpetually behind lately. Second I am getting a lot from this book as she gets past the obsessively following her double and into the Mirror World itself and how different groups have managed to find common cause and how strategists have steered the group. 6mo

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vlwelser I really got a lot from this book and I am very glad that I read it. I found the chapter on Palestine especially insightful 6mo

KathyWheeler I‘m really behind too, but I like it, so I will finish it. 6mo

MallenNC I‘m not quite finished yet either but I‘m hoping to finish this week. The material is a lot more dense than I expected so it isn‘t a fast read. But it is giving a lot to think about. 6mo

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On Rereading | Patricia Meyer Spacks

I have reread series before the next book release, or books that have been on my mind, or books that had messages I felt the need to revisit.

The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter both rank high.

Others include The Handmaid‘s Tale.

This year Wild by Cheryl Strayed is on my to reread list.

Rereading at different ages & life stages often makes different parts of the story stand out & come into focus differently I find.

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ChaoticMissAdventures I agree! I think reading a book at different life stages can make it a whole different experience. You get something vastly different out of The Handmaid's Tale when you are younger and have all your rights then when you read it older and watching those rights disappearing. 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ChaoticMissAdventures Definitely, on that one! Although I‘m finding the ruling by fear in both LOTR & Potter and watching everyone cave because you might mean tweet about them if they do not toe the line also very topical lately 🙄 sadly. All 3 good looks at turning away and ignoring creeping hate/malevolence and giving it more power in the process. 6mo

BookmarkTavern Excellent choices! Thanks for sharing! 6mo

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Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World | Naomi Klein

Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m still behind 😬 in Part 2 yet. I did splurge for the audiobook, so I‘m hoping that helps me to make up some ground. How is it going for everyone else?

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa My thoughts so far, is this is one we should all read… I think it is going to be essential reading for how to talk about this weird fractured time we are all living through. Even her beginning disbelief at the confusion, to obsession with what is the flip side doing now (Nicole Wallace of Dateline Whitehouse calls it Earth 2), but doppelgänger society works too. To trying to root out the whys & how‘s of it all. It‘s so important and yet I find⤵️ (edited) 6mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ myself taking long breaks between sections. Maybe because it is important but tough to deep dive into too. (edited) 6mo

AnneCecilie What made the biggest impression on me in this part was the treatment of children with autism. Autism Warrior Parents at war with the autism in their child and what they were willing to do to “cure” their kid. Some of these parents will blame the vaccines for the autism in their kids. Reading some of this was hard 6mo

AnneCecilie And when Naomi Wolf compared herself to Rosa Parks for refusing to wear a masks both to a coffee shop and to the waiting area at Grand Central Station and getting away with it. I get provoked when she compares situation during Covid to Jim Crow laws and to Jews during Nazi Germany. 6mo

vlwelser Wolf acts like a 'Karen' and then reacts like people shouldn't be giving her a wide berth. I think contrasting actual protests and other thoughtful acts against these other things is very powerful. She has a way of making these people seem extra crazy. Like with that trucker demonstration in Ottawa. Vs that thoughtful act in BC that showed solidarity and whatnot with the indigenous families. 6mo

vlwelser The worst thing about Wolf is she wants attention and she's getting it for herself. Maybe there's a list of things I dislike about Wolf but this is high on the list. 6mo

MallenNC I‘m a little behind too. This is so interesting to me but it‘s not a fast read. I‘m hoping to catch up this week. It‘s got so many examples of how people have come to believe in a whole different reality so it‘s hard to take in at one time. Scary and frustrating. 6mo

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Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World | Naomi Klein

Hello #SheSaid, & hello to all the Mothers out there on today, the US‘s Mother‘s Day! You are all doing a great job in this crazy hectic world we live in, keep up the good work and make time for yourself too!

Ok…back to the book…. I am struggling with this one and way behind. How is everyone else doing? It‘s fascinating & yet with our fractured society a bit too much of real life at the same time. We all have relatives that have fallen ⤵️

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! ☺️ 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ fallen down the rabbit hole….and it is not the fun playful one of Alice. So I think my struggle is more, it‘s bad stuff I don‘t want to dredge up again 😂. Her struggles are to much like struggles with some of my actual loved ones…the how can you possibly believe X conversations. At least I have not been confused with them I guess. (edited) 6mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I used to think “they” will all need some cult de-programming in the future, but we may all need some PTSD treatment. The constantly dealing with the ‘no, you do not know what you know‘, the doubts, pushback, the questioning of self…is it me or her that has the real problem. One of us is obviously bonkers, since there is no middle, and since you and all your friends agree…must be me. That the numbers online outweigh so must be “right”. ⤵️ 6mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ hard to remember Critical Thinking skills and that numbers repeating the same thing (or repeating it louder or more often) does not make it true. This looking glass of our society is so fractured. 6mo

CatLass007 Your words are very insightful. I chose to skip this month‘s selection because I didn‘t want to be in the space in which you now find yourself. The woman was a con artist who cost people a lot of money and caused those same people so much pain. If this had been a work of fiction I might have found it to be entertaining. It‘s a memoir/true crime book and I don‘t enjoy true crime. 6mo

vlwelser I really appreciate the fact that we're all silenced by this. We don't want to seem crazy. They stole the words we want to use. It was maddening enough that she wrote a whole book. I feel a little bad that she has to deal with this. At least they only share a first name really. But I cannot imagine being swept along by this particular crazy train. 6mo

MallenNC I‘m not quite finished with this section but it‘s interesting to me how the author is portraying her own almost obsession with N. Wolfe. I also keep thinking about whether N. Wolfe really believes the ideas she‘s selling these days or if she‘s just an opportunist. That‘s one reason misinformation is so hard to fight — unclear/bad faith motivations. 6mo

KathyWheeler While I‘ve found this book interesting, I am having a hard time with it because of the ideas she‘s discussing. I haven‘t finished this part yet. 6mo

willaful @MallenNC One of the things I learned from the book is how much is to be gained from going over to the dark side... not even necessary just financially, but in praise and affirmations. This is why once people start down that path, they tend to keep going. Once they feel rejected, they'll find what they need elsewhere and convince themselves it's true.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m finding that as much as I did not feel isolated by Covid or quarantines or social distancing (natural introvert I guess), I obviously did feel isolated in my own thoughts and feelings once the disinformation really got going. And the fact that so many still seem so inthralled in all of the big lies. 6mo

MallenNC @willaful Sadly, there are definitely a lot of advantages, both monetary and attention, in selling conspiracies and hatefulness. 6mo

AnneCecilie I learned of a lot of far out theories in this part that I‘ve never heard about. There‘s a Finnish former teacher that occasionally writes a chronicle in one of the big national newspapers and one of her big complaints is that Norwegian are like sheep all moving in the same direction. When it comes to times like the pandemic I must say that I‘m glad about that. I just check and more than 90% of Norwegians have taken two shots of the vaccine. 6mo

AnneCecilie And I‘m glad I never come across this thinking before, the tyranny of vaccine passports and slavery forever. Have they forgotten what slavery is? At the same time it scares me that som many people out there is buying this and they are creating The Mirror World that Klein talks about 6mo

AnneCecilie I never thought about that @MallenNC and you might be in to something that she‘s “just” an opportunist. 6mo

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Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World | Naomi Klein

Hello #SheSaid!

My book was a bit late in arriving so I‘m just at the end of chapter 1. But the Intro really has me interested to read more. Please feel free to start discussing below… I‘ll join in soon. I‘m very curious at how deep we will get into our fractured body politic… see you in the comments.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 7mo

Deblovestoread Please add me. I‘ll jump in as soon as my copy arrives and I get caught up. 7mo

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vlwelser I was a little concerned about where she was going when I was reading the intro. After keeping her mouth shut for so long about other (unhinged) Naomi, it seemed like this might go down a bad path. 7mo

vlwelser It seems to be getting interesting though and I'm looking forward to reading part II. 7mo

MallenNC I have the last chapter of part one still to read but I‘m really interested in the story. I realized as i was reading that I also had mixed up which Naomi was which. I have a lot of sympathy for her bc being mixed up with someone in such a public way has to be difficult. 7mo

KathyWheeler @MallenNC I have mixed them up multiple times. So often that I keep looking up The Beauty Myth to be sure which Noami I really mean. I felt bad for Klein because it has to be frustrating to be accused of saying something you didn‘t say. 7mo

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Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World | Naomi Klein

Next up for #SheSaid!

Put in your library holds and interlibrary loans!

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros ⤵️ 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 7mo

vlwelser This one is so new. I'm on the waitlist. Hopefully it comes through at least before the end of the month. 7mo

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Deblovestoread I just ordered this from Book Outlet. Would love to join for May. 7mo

willaful I've already read it, though you can keep me on the list to see what people have to say. 7mo

MallenNC I‘m looking forward to reading this one! 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser This is one of those times where I just decided to buy it. Which I almost never do anymore. I‘ve been much better at using my library and online library resources. 7mo

DebinHawaii I think I fell off the list but would love to be back on. I couldn‘t get my library hold in but I used a credit for the audiobook today. 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii let me know if you got tagged in the new post. Your name is in the tag list, but maybe something isn‘t going through properly (edited) 7mo

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Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America | Carol Anderson

Hello #SheSaid!

We have reached the end of another book! I got a lot from this one, I hope you did too. Let me know what you thought about the last section and the book as a whole. See you in the comments

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 7mo

CatLass007 I wish there were solutions for this crime against our fellow human beings. But all the Black Lives Matter marches and other protests won‘t change people‘s hearts. This and other books are good at stirring the emotions. But what are the answers? 7mo

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vlwelser I got so much from this book. This writer is amazing. The last part was so sad. All those young people that were basically murdered for absolutely no reason and no repercussions to the people that did it. 7mo

MallenNC I‘m glad to have read this with our group. It was sad and frustrating to read knowing that this amendment that some people think is so infallible was so flawed from the very start, purposefully and for racist reasons. It‘s another book that I think those who really need to read it never will. 7mo

willaful I think it's so important for this knowledge to be told and shared. And of course a lot of people are trying very hard to supress it. 🤬 7mo

willaful @MallenNC “It‘s another book that I think those who really need to read it never will.“ Ugh, painfully true. 7mo

DebinHawaii I missed last week‘s discussion but I was impressed by the book overall & learned a lot. Frustrating & heartbreaking. Sadly, not only do I think the people who need to read it won‘t, I also think even if they did, it wouldn‘t change their minds at this point. 🤬😖😥 Thank you for picking it & hosting. 7mo

Bookwormjillk I just finished. This was a tough book to read, but I‘m glad I did. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. 7mo

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Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America | Carol Anderson

Hello #SheSaid!

Anyone else finish this part just infuriated…

I did!

Plus, I left feeling like 90% of the problems we have today are because we were not strong enough to deal with 💩 the first time. 😱🤯

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar @vlwelser @KVanRead @SamAnne @Julsmarshall @arlenefinnigan @Chab256 @Scochrane26 @CoffeeK8. @MallenNC @DebinHawaii @Currey @Augustdana @Suet624 @Singout @mhillis @megnews @Jgotham @AnneCecilie @kspenmoll @staci.reads @AllDebooks @MilesnMelodies @willaful @psalva @Amor4Libros ⤵️ 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ @Smrloomis @KathyWheeler @Bookwormjillk @bibliobliss @JenlovesJT47 @Karisa @fredthemoose @Christine @mandarchy @rjsthumbelina @Tera66 @Megabooks @BookBosomed1 @MoonWitch94 @sabyym @ncsufoxes @Readergrrl @wanderinglynn @TheKidUpstairs @charl08 @CatLass007 As always if anyone would like added or removed from this tag list, please just let me know. And if you asked and I forgot, please remind me. Thank you! 7mo

MallenNC Yes. I know it is important to know real history but it‘s horrible and infuriating to read about. I think about how different things might be today if Reconstruction had not been actively sabotaged. 7mo

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC Yes. If they had won the war and followed through we everything in reconstruction… a different world we would be in. 7mo

vlwelser @MallenNC I definitely agree. All that stuff about Johnson blocking everything burned my butter. What a waste of a president that guy was. And to think he was Lincoln's vp and didn't align with what we assume Lincoln might have done is extra annoying. 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC but as infuriating as it is to read, I do truly believe that old saying, that not knowing history and doomed to repeat it. It‘s the white-washing and refusal to teach and learn about it that is leading to us making the same mistakes over & over. (edited) 7mo

CatLass007 I vacillated between fury and sorrow. I had to take a break to listen to a different audiobook for a bit to get me out of my funk. @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC It‘s not just that we were too cowardly to fix 💩 the first time. It‘s not just about Reconstruction being sabotaged. It‘s about ALL the times we were cowardly and ALL the times progress was sabotaged. We only have to look as recently as the Charlottesville violence. We only (cont)⬇️ 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser yes, you know those old sci-fi time travel axiom, about going back in time to “kill Hitler” or whatever, feels like maybe it should be to “save Lincoln”. 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 yes! The Supreme Court abd the Klan decision 🤬. I can totally see our current Supreme Court making some decisions just like that. 7mo

vlwelser 😂 or get rid of Johnson. But I like this premise. 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 I put it down for awhile in the middle and started reading Cultish 😂

Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism

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CatLass007 have to look as recently as the January 6th insurrection. We only have to look as recently as the book bans that keep occurring. I don‘t know what the answer is. Most people are always going to hate and fear those who are different. Most people need to feel superior to someone else. Most people are completely unwilling to give up their power. I know this book is about the Second Amendment and how it has negatively affected Black (cont)⬇️ 7mo

CatLass007 Americans, but prejudice of all kinds runs rampant in this country and the world. 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CatLass007 Yes, she is writing specifically about the American 2nd Amendment and our issues with race. But I‘m pretty sure if you read histories of any other country that had colonialism or slavery in their history and find similar….it was and is white-supremacy, which is what European‘s decided gave them the “right” to colonize other countries, because they “knew better” what was “best”. They were “smarter” “more evolved” than “heathens” ⤵️ 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ it was the justification for whatever they did to others to make it ok in their own minds to treat them sub-humanly. 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa And because they did do horrible things… to get land, labor, whatever…. They needed that justification legally and needed to believe it mentally to make what they were doing ok. But we have not rooted out that thinking yet….i think it is more entrenched in the US than many other places. Probably because we kept slavery longer than other countries, used imperialism after the original European countries were transitioning out of it, and then ⤵️ (edited) 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ doubled-down with Jim Crow, to basically reinforce it, and every time we get rid of one , like slavery to Jim Crow to Mass Incarceration to police brutality….we never really just say outright no, so it festers on in a new way and new form. (edited) 7mo

CatLass007 @vlwelser I have many relatives who believe things would be better if the South had been permitted to secede and if Lincoln hadn‘t “interfered.” @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I agree. The fanatics who distort the teachings of the Bible to support their belief in white supremacy are the ones who are the worst. 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think that the problem is all our white-washing and refusal to learn the real history and confront it. Where places like Germany after Nazi‘s or South Africa after Apartheid had major reckonings and really cracked down on those still spouting old ideas, our history as evidenced here is placate the old beliefs, and protect those still espousing those ideas “for peace” over those that have been wronged. 7mo

vlwelser @CatLass007 my aunt was born on an army base in MS and is always horrified when we all suggest we let them go, but this would have solved this problem entirely. She'd still be a citizen. 7mo

Susanita She was a guest on the Now & Then podcast. It was a powerful episode. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/now-then/id1567665859?i=1000569632405 7mo

willaful This chapter was just devastating. And we're definitely doomed to repeat. I think probably the people who know this history the best are those trying to undo every positive change that has been laboriously made. 😡 7mo

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Susanita Thank you, I‘ll check it out 7mo

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