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The 1619 Project: A New Origin Story by Nikole Hannah-Jones, The New York Times Company
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Up next for #SheSaid Rage Becomes Her!

Here is the schedule, see you all soon!

Suet624 I just looked in my library catalog for Rage Becomes Her. The first listing that popped up was Little Women. :) 13h
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @kspenmoll do you want me to take you off the tag list, or leave you on for now? 13h
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Suet624 That‘s funny! 13h
tenar Looking forward to it. Thank you for running our club, Melissa! 11h
MallenNC I‘ve got my copy ready! Thanks for providing the schedule. 10h
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The last discussion for this one #SheSaid. I‘ll try to get the schedule together & up for our next book later today.

I know the reviews on this book were mixed, but Ida Wells was fascinating, any interest in reading her longer biography Ida:A Sword Among Lions (tagged below). And if so is it something you might be interested in reading as a group? If there is enough interest, I could just add it to the end of our current reading list?

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IndoorDame I‘m definitely interested in learning about her more in depth. I‘d be all for making that biography one of our groups reads. 2d
vlwelser I'm also game for a better Ida biography. 2d
Julsmarshall I didn‘t get to this one but that biography sounds interesting! 2d
vlwelser Regarding this book, it's a cute little intro. I didn't get a whole lot out of it tbh. I got a used library copy and it's tempting to take it apart and make a collage. Or bookmarks. Or something along those lines. The pictures are great. 2d
MallenNC I‘d be up for reading the biography. I wanted more of her actual writings and the different work she did. That got lost in this one among all the legacy connections. Which are valid, but that wasn‘t what I expected based on the description. 2d
KathyWheeler I would be interested in reading the biography you mentioned. This book was pretty disappointing. 2d
BarbaraTheBibliophage I‘d like to read the … ahem … 800+ page biography of Ms. Wells-Barnett. Sounds considerably more in depth than Duster‘s book. I didn‘t hate Ida B the Queen but it was even less detail than Vanguard. Such a tease … 😝 2d
ravenlee Wow, that‘s a chunkster, but I‘m game to try at some point. Biography isn‘t one of my usual genres, but Wells is a fascinating figure and deserves more attention. 1d
ravenlee I‘m also interested in another Giddings book, though it seems to cover similar territory to Vanguard. Anyone read it yet? 1d
tenar I‘m up for the big one! I don‘t know if I‘d normally say that, but after how interested Vanguard got me and since it‘s about the great Ida, I‘m excited. @ravenlee That book also looks fabulous. Looks like it might cover a wider time period than Vanguard. Going on the TBR! 1d
mhillis I would be interested in reading another book about her life! I also found this one which is not about her, but about social justice and written by members of the Echoing Ida collective 1d
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage If we do add it, it would definitely be over more than 1 month 😂 1d
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Untitled | Unknown
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What am I reading this weekend @Andrew65 ?

Still reading along with the #1619GroupRead, re-reading Going Postal, and putting in a short Star Wars story here and there in between 😉


Andrew65 Great choices. 2d
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The 1619 Project: A New Origin Story | Nikole Hannah-Jones, The New York Times Company
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I ran across this on Twitter, it made me think about the #1619Project I‘m currently reading and all the controversy on teaching about this country‘s real history in schools instead of the sanitized version.


TheBookHippie Exactly. 3d
sprainedbrain Yep, this sums it up. 3d
kplovesbooks Sounds about right. 🙄 3d
GingerAntics Yup! Sad, but true! 3d
GingerAntics But liberal are the snowflakes? Hm. 3d
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Early investigative reporting was not for the meek. Nellie Bly gets herself committed to the insane asylum island for woman in this piece and quickly finds out how easy it is to be labeled insane, treated inhumanly, and have little recourse to prove yourself sane or remove others from the situation. A very telling & moving piece of journalism.

Side-note: the LibriVox narrator does a great job with this one.

TheBookHippie I enjoyed this one as well! I got it on kindle years ago and read it last year. 4d
Lcsmcat As an elementary aged kid I read a book about her and was fascinated. I‘ll have to read the grown-up version. 🙂 3d
GingerAntics I didn‘t know this was on librivox. I‘m definitely going to be listening very soon. 3d
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Branded by Fire | Nalini Singh
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I enjoyed this one, it was a bit more spicy and I appreciated that, but at the same time we got some developments and new tantalizing hints on the ongoing dynamics of the Psy-Changling-Human world, and a few new players to be wary of.

I wasn‘t sure about this couple starting out, but I loved them by the end, and some other pack members came into clearer focus on this installment, so I‘m curious where their stories are headed too.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ScientistSam will be happy to hear that after a long book slump, I finally got this one back from the library and then finished it in less than 2 days….so yay, book slump ebbing, finally! Sorry for the long wait there.😂
ScientistSam Yay for book slump ending! No need to apologize, we've all been there 😋 2d
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Weekly Forecast | Thomas Gibson Inc
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Sorry, a few days late with my #BookReport & #WeeklyForcast, I should have posted this on Sunday, oops!

But even though I‘m behind on posting (and reviewing) I am reading again, so yay! Book slump is finally ebbing! Whew! Thank goodness, that was a long one.

Just keep swimming swimming 🐠🦈 reading, reading 📚📚

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While I learned some things reading this book, overall I‘m a bit disappointed. I wanted so much more from this book, and although it has some great info, it is also a bit repetitive and written as a YA book in parts. If it had been labeled as a YA book, then it would be great as that…I just expected and wanted more.

Sorry, I hate to say bad things about a book about such a great lady. I will pick up Ida: Sword Among Lions to read later though.

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Hello #SheSaid well I‘m learning some things, but overall I‘m a bit disappointed. I wanted so much more from this book, and it definitely has some great info, but is also a bit repetitive and written as a middle grade book in parts. 🤷‍♀️

😬sorry, I hate to say bad things about a book about such a great lady.

IndoorDame I have to agree that I‘m getting the middle school textbook vibe from it. Which isn‘t to say I‘m not learning things, because my own education was shockingly lacking. But I still feel like I want to go more in depth on the things I‘m learning so I may have to seek out more resources. That said, as someone who‘s always thinking as an educator, I‘m really glad this book exists just as it is. 1w
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @IndoorDame I think that‘s where my frustration lays, if it was written and labeled as a middle grade book, then it‘s great. Are you reading with the #1619Project too? I think you‘d enjoy some of that book as well. 1w
staci.reads Agreed - the author definitely sound like she's talking to kids, especially when she does an aside to explain a pretty commonly known history, like the rise of the KKK. Even as a middle school book, though, I still feel like the organization of the book makes no sense. I too am learning things I didn't know about Ida B Wells, so definitely not a waste of time! 1w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads I‘ve finished it now and found the last sections a bit repetitive with what we read before also. And the asides are well done, but sometimes they come right after she has just explained the same things in the regular text of her story. That seems like an editor issue to me 🤷‍♀️ 1w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ..maybe the page layer? 1w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I also found it odd that for some of the historical people, they used drawings instead of photos which are widely available….that also made it seem more middle school to me. Don‘t get me wrong I‘ve loved that in some YA books, it just seemed out of place here. 1w
IndoorDame @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I am reading The 1619 Project too, and am really enjoying enjoying what I‘ve read so far. 1w
MallenNC I‘m fascinated by Ida B. wells and am always interested to learn more about her. I appreciated learning about her childhood and the loss of her parents. I can see where she developed her strength from that experience. I‘m reading this as an ebook so I think some of the illustrations aren‘t shown. It does seem like a middle grade book but I‘m still learning from it. 1w
megnews @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I definitely blame the lack of editorial process. 1w
megnews @staci.reads I agree about the organization. She really lost me on the timeline in the middle of the book. Beginning or end, not the middle and not a whole chapter. To me, this was another huge editing issue. 1w
KathyWheeler While I‘ve learned things from this book, I‘ve also been disappointed in it. The structure is strange, some things are not discussed in enough detail while others are repeated, and we get too much information on later civil rights leaders without contextualizing them within the life and legacy of Wells. And that timeline was just weirdly placed. I‘m glad I read it but I don‘t think I‘d recommend it to anyone wanting to learn more about Wells. (edited) 1w
ravenlee I agree with everything that‘s already been said. It‘s been a little odd, as I‘ve been reading several books recently that feature Wells and never have before. Vanguard, Lifting as We Climb, More Deadly Than War had some unexpected context, and now this one - it‘s all kind of turned into a jumble. 1w
tenar Yes, I agree with everyone‘s thoughts. And I was concerned by how often the writing purported to know how Ida‘s relatives were feeling. It wasn‘t clear how much was the author‘s speculation. Though this book is not exactly what I want it to be, reading it is still helping me reinforce what is, unfortunately, relatively new information to me. And it‘s had me scoping out biographies of her. There‘s a sweeping, highly reviewed one that‘s 800 pages! 1w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I have that one too, I just haven‘t tackled it yet. I‘m debating now if I should try to tackle it soon or see if we‘d like to read it as a group at some point in the future (maybe over more than 1 month though 😂) 1w
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa One of the reviews I read said you learn so much not just about her, but about the country and the time period. I would absolutely love to join a group read, and definitely for more than one month! 😅 1w
BarbaraTheBibliophage Finally got my Library Hold!! Catching up soon! 1w
vlwelser I don't know what to do with this book. I'm going to stop complaining about it. Because they can't all be winners and the next book will likely be better. 1w
BarbaraTheBibliophage Well, it didn‘t take long for me to catch up once my hold came in. Yes, the book‘s structure is confounding. And in the Amazon categories, it doesn‘t mention middle grade at all. But I *know* I saw this in the kid‘s section of my fav indie bookstore (pre-Covid). Maybe the author wanted to grab the kids‘ attention before plodding through chrono dates and early life. But it‘s a head scratcher, for sure. 1w
BarbaraTheBibliophage I like how this relates to other recent group reads — from 400 Souls to The Warmth of Other Suns and Vanguard. And will connect to 1619, I‘m sure. Just reopened 400 Souls to read those sections again for a more adult-facing perspective. 1w
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I just wanted to send all of #SheSaid an update, since I couldn‘t possibly stretch our current book over Jan & Feb, I will be starting our next book in Feb. “Rage Becomes Her”. It‘s a bigger book, but I‘m still planning on spacing it out a bit & hopefully still leave room for those of you also reading with The 1619 Project group read. I‘ll put out a more detailed schedule soon, but I wanted give you a heads up to update your library holds. 😉

ncsufoxes I‘d like to be added. I haven‘t read the upcoming book but I‘ve read two on the list & would look forward to discussing with others. Thanks! 2w
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ncsufoxes Welcome Aboard! I will definitely add you to the tag list. Can‘t wait to see you in our discussions. 2w
BookBosomed1 Thank you! 2w
Tera66 I'm in for next month, and they have the book and audio book on Scribd if anyone has that app. 2w
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Murderland | Garrett Cook
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Well played, Murderer….Well Played. 🤣

Karkar Yep so would be in the back of that murder van. 🤣🤣 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Karkar Right! They have figured out our 1 weakness! We are doomed! 2w
MariaW 🤪 2w
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Reggie Lol 2w
GingerAntics But what a way to go!!! 2w
JazzFeathers 😂😂😂 2w
readordierachel 😂🤣 2w
Kelly_the_Bookish_Sidekick Well, I've had a good run. I'm totally getting in the van. 🤣 2w
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Hello #SheSaid a new month, a new year, and a shiny new book!

How are you feeling about this one so far? Such a writing style shift from both our last book (fiction) and our last non-fiction. I‘m finding myself both wishing Vanguard could get this treatment for a younger audience and that I had read both of the other Ida biographies for more depth. But I‘m still learning a lot, the story of the soldiers “revolt” and lynching was one ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ was one I had not read before. I had read about Wilson re-segregating the government workers when he was in office though…and I still find that galling. What‘s new to you? What are your thoughts? And where did you first hear or read about Ida B Wells? 2w
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I first read/heard about Ida B Wells while reading Doris Kearns Goodwin‘s The Bully Pulpit. She was mentioned as a major mudraker reporter reporting on the big barons of industry then and pushing for reforms. I thought she was impressive there, it wasn‘t until much later that I realized that she was African American and huge in anti-lynching and civil rights. 2w
Suet624 Shoot. I was hoping my library would get this but they haven't. Sounds great! 2w
rjsthumbelina I had never heard of what happened at Camp Logan before! I also wasn't aware that Pres. Wilson had further segregated govt offices. And I thought her description of lynching as getting "rid of" Black Americans who were "acquiring wealth and property" was perfectly stated. I was struck by just how much Ida B. Wells made time for in her life - what an amazing woman! 2w
megnews I believe I first heard of Ida B Wells in high school but I don‘t recall learning about her involvement in anti-lynching until later. I had read about Wilson‘s resegregation of the govt before. He was really a crap president. He has the honor or showing the first film in the White House but the disgrace of it being Birth of a Nation. Fought Women‘s voting rights. I had heard briefly about the incident at Camp Logan but was shocked reading the 👇🏻 2w
megnews Details. I agree with @rjsthumbelina on Ida‘s description of lynching being spot on. Like her, I had no clue how many issues Ida tackled. I‘m exhausted reading about it! This book seems like easier reading but I like it for non fiction. I appreciate that her descendant is writing it as that adds something to the story for me. 2w
megnews I highlighted a lot. This stood out. From Ida‘s diary: “is there no redress, no peace, no justice in this land for us?” It feels like Little has changed. I wonder what Ida would think. 2w
vlwelser I like this but it seems pretty basic at times, like it's meant for kids. I think we learned about Ida in school. But more focused on suffragette stuff and the NAACP. I'm still waiting for new info. But I have been reading a lot of books on these topics. 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @megnews Since we STILL can‘t pass an anti-lynching bill in the 2020‘s…nope, not nearly enough has changed. 2w
tenar I can‘t remember the first time I heard about Ida, but this, Vanguard, and the PBS series Crash Course Black American History all in the last year are the first time I‘m getting to know her! I‘m enamored, and only became more-so reading the story about her standing up to the FBI. She‘s amazing. I agree, I‘d like to read a more traditional biography on her after this, but this seems like a very friendly intro and especially great for young readers. 2w
tenar @megnews I also found that quote so powerful and resonant, thank you for bringing it up. I imagine she‘d be on the front lines fighting police brutality here today. I can‘t fathom all she and the community were feeling after those horrors in Memphis. It‘s hard to imagine, but I think it would be enough to make me leave my home, too. 2w
fredthemoose I don‘t remember when I first heard of Ida B. Wells, but it was probably embarrassingly late (like after college). She‘s so impressive and I‘m glad she‘s finally receiving some of the recognition she deserved in her life. I agree with @vlwelser and @tenar that this is a good, pretty basic book, and that I think I‘d like to read a more in-depth version geared toward adult readers. 2w
staci.reads I first heard about her in high school but in a very basic sense. There are stories in here that are sadly new to me, such as the story of Camp Logan and the story of the Memphis lynching of the grocery store owners. 2w
staci.reads I am always amazed at Ida's bravery and at her accomplishments - that's a lot of lasting impact.. She was a powerhouse. 2w
staci.reads The book itself frustrates me with the way its organized. I would like more of a chronological organization or by the areas of her life and work. This feels random, especially as I look ahead at the rest of the chapters, one which is just a timeline, another which is more than 1/3 of the book and isn't about Ida, but about other activists. It's an odd book as far as structure and focus is concerned. 2w
staci.reads @Riveted_Reader_Melissa thanks for the recommendation. I love Kearns Goodwin's work. I'm adding that to my tbr. 2w
tenar @staci.reads I had a lot of the same feelings. I remember many of our group struggling to keep the time straight in Vanguard, and I‘m having that struggle here. Because of the lack of chronology, I didn‘t feel like I had a good sense of where she was in her life during any given anecdote. 2w
MallenNC I was away this afternoon so I missed a lot of discussion. I only heard of Ida B. Wells as a journalist who wrote about lynchings, which was brave enough, but continuing to learn and I‘m so impressed by her as a person. I think this book is for a younger audience but I like that it‘s written by one of her descendants. 2w
vlwelser Didn't this author write one of the essays in Well Read Black Girl? 2w
ravenlee I think Ida was mentioned in my high school AP US history class, but only in passing. I recently read Lifting as We Climb, right after Vanguard, and it‘s aimed at YA but has some good info (also some serious errors, though). It was a more approachable version of Vanguard in many ways (also left out the church aspect), but had a good bit on Ida. 2w
ravenlee So far I‘m finding this book easy to read, though I was less interested in the author‘s intro than in the meat of Ida‘s story. It felt like that would have been a better afterword, to me. Ida seems like a real pistol, and I‘m already in awe. The Camp Logan debacle, the lynching in Memphis…it‘s all so horrifying and I wish it felt less timely. 2w
KathyWheeler @staci.reads I‘m frustrated by the structure as well. I felt that it would have been better to have an introduction that talked about her relationship with Wells first, then go into Wells‘ story. That way I might not have been so annoyed that she referred to Wells as Ida but called everyone else by their last name. Since writers commonly do this when writing about women and I find it condescending, I was irritated by that. 2w
megnews @staci.reads I just listened to the next section on audio and ch 5 the timeline, I kept thinking it was the intro and we‘d get to the meat of the chapter. Nope. That‘s oddly placed in the middle of the book. 2w
IndoorDame @KathyWheeler I also always notice when people refer to only women by first names and I find it condescending too. 2w
IndoorDame @megnews such a powerful quote! 2w
Karisa Sorry, I‘m late to the party. I‘ve been enjoying reading more about Ida B. I think the first time I‘d heard of her was from a poster with many African Americans listed. I‘m realizing that my education k-12 and university classes were really lacking in representation. So glad I‘m a reader and can make up those gaps. Just got back from DC and Ida was well represented at the African American History Museum. She was so courageous and inspiring. 2w
Karisa I agree with those above that wrote about the writing style leaving something to be desired. The stories of Ida are great though. I did not know that Wilson had been so racist in his policies (and some say systematic racism is not present in our govt!). I loved the story about the voting rights march in which Ida took her rightful place front and center. It seems to be a recurring theme that there is a lack of inclusion among many white feminists. 2w
BarbaraTheBibliophage I‘m still waiting on my library hold. Thankfully, it should be easy to catch up!! 2w
staci.reads @megnews yeah, a little weird 2w
mhillis I‘m just getting caught up! The book is interesting so far, and I did not know about Camp Logan before. 1w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @mhillis It‘s a fairly quick read too….so it shouldn‘t be to bad. 1w
BarbaraTheBibliophage @mhillis Me too! The Camp Logan story is horribly tragic and most awful is the ways that racism continues through history. I was also thinking of The Hate U Give and how they had to protect their store. It‘s a common theme, sadly. Also like that Duster noted the mob destroying the store ultimately was frustrated *white* people, which was actually quite common. And so different from the narrative advanced today about uprisings starting only w/POC. 1w
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Five Decembers | James Kestrel
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It‘s a wrap!


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Reposting #Nonfiction2022 for anyone that missed it before!

Can anyone guess the inspirations for this year‘s choices?

If these make you think of the closing of The Breakfast Club or the song B!tch by Meredith Brooks you are right. People/books can be many different things to different people depending on your POV & preconceived ideas OR many things all wrapped up in one. So have a blast fillings these categories any way you want.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Again, for anyone new…these can be filled any way that suits you. “I‘m a criminal” for instance…you could go straight to a criminal biography (Capone/Manson, whatever), or a True Crime story, but also remember that people from Martin Luther King Jr, to Nelson Mandala, to Freedom Riders were all criminals in their time and spent time locked up. So if a category sounds like not your thing, try looking at it a different way. Maybe Alcatraz, or ⤵️ 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ maybe just maybe you like science and think Watson and Crick stole that DNA and got the credit when they shouldn‘t, or remember that famous Enigma Machine Alan Turing‘s brilliance was criminalized because of his sexual orientation, archeology = grave robbers, etc, etc, etc… you can go anywhere, the choice (as always) is up to you.😉 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa This is a laid back challenge, you can make it as creative as you want….and go for just bingo or coverall. The difficulty level is entirely up to you. Have fun with it! 2w
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa #Nonfiction2022Template so you can find the blank card again if you need to later. 😉 (edited) 2w
TiminCalifornia I'm going to give this one a try this year! 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @TiminCalifornia Have fun with it, the most important thing is to enjoy yourself. 2w
Blackink_WhitePaper Dear @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I really enjoyed this challenge in 21. I read many nonfiction books and explored different kinds of books. Even tried audiobooks. I m definitely trying to finish this board in 22. Thank you so much for hosting 💐😊 wish you a happy new year 🥳 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Blackink_WhitePaper Thank you, and Happy New Year to you too! I‘m so glad you liked it and that it inspired you to read some new books. Hopefully it‘s just as much fun for you this year! 2w
Megabooks I‘m reading my first! Happy new year Melissa!! 🥳 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Here‘s the challenge @Crazeedi if you have questions, just let me know. 1w
Crazeedi @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I really appreciate!! I'll see what I can do 1w
Crazeedi @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I love the prompts!! 1w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Crazeedi You‘re welcome. Have fun with it! 7d
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My #nonfiction2021 on to 2022!

Happy New Year! and Happy New Reading!

CarolynM Happy New Year 2w
Ruthiella Happy New Year! 🥳🥂 2w
Leftcoastzen Happy New Year!🎆🎊 2w
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Jee_HookedOnBookz Happy New Year! 2w
Kdgordon88 Happy New Year!🎆 2w
Simona Happy New Year 🥳 2w
Nute Happy New Year, Melissa!💜🥳💜 Thank you for being an inspiration to read non-fiction and the narratives of women. You are an amazing reader! 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Nute Thank you….and oddly enough before Litsy I read almost no nonfiction. So Litsy is an inspiration to us all! 2w
Reggie That is crazy because when I think of nonfiction, nonfiction social issue books, and Star Wars books, I think of you on here. Wow. Happy New Year! 2w
Singout Thanks again for organizing this! That looks like a great list, with a few overlaps with my own. 2w
Bookzombie Happy New Year!🎆 2w
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Weekly Forecast | Thomas Gibson Inc
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Ok #SheSaid. Schedule for January is up!

Our next one is a bit shorter than I thought it would be so it should mesh well with anyone attempting the 1619 Project group read at the same time.

Have a Happy Holiday and a great new year!

MoonWitch94 Ohhhh I would like to join!!! 3w
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vlwelser Is that the whole book? 3w
tenar Woo! I can‘t wait to join back in and read all about her. So glad we read Vanguard last month! 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MoonWitch94 I‘ll add you to the tag list! Welcome Aboard 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser The whole book is only about 150 pages 😕So yes, that‘s it. (edited) 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I was a bit disappointed myself when it came…I was hoping it would be bigger. 🤷‍♀️ 3w
vlwelser I'm a big pain in the rear but asking anyway.... So what are we doing for Feb? 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I‘m not sure. I think I‘ll wait to see what the 1619 schedule looks like and plan from there. I haven‘t seen their Jan or Feb schedule yet. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I just looked. It is out, don‘t know how I missed it? Let me see what those sections look like and I‘ll let you know. Maybe we‘ll just start the next book sooner and space it out more. That one‘s a bit heftier. 3w
megnews I wasn‘t planning to read this one but since it‘s so short I‘m going to try to give it a whirl. I hope I can stay motivated with the non fiction! 3w
megnews Glad I decided to read this. Already loving it! Lots to discuss. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @megnews I‘m glad you are enjoying it already! 3w
sabyym Interesting pick!! I‘m so in 3w
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The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek | Kim Michele Richardson
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The end #SheSaid. I had mixed feelings reading this end…it felt like she wasn‘t sure if was going for a happy ending or a realistic ending…and like it flip flopped back and forth to me.😬 I was all in for the happy ending, which built, as she managed to kill off a bunch of characters at the same time, and then undo the happy ending too, but then reverse that a bit also. How did you all feel by this ending? Will you be tempted to read the sequel?

CocoReads Wait, there‘s a sequel? I read this a couple years ago for book group and we had a great discussion but now I must know about the sequel. 🤣🤣 3w
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CocoReads Yes…The Book Woman‘s Daughter, I believe it comes out in May. 3w
CocoReads Awesome, I‘ll have to check it out! 3w
megnews I had mixed feelings in the book. I think it was the pacing for me. But I still want to read the sequel. 3w
ravenlee I felt like any time something not-horrible happened, 2-3 horrible things immediately followed. And, knowing there‘s a sequel, it seemed like she was headed for a positive ending and then changed it so there‘d be a bridge to book 2. Some of this book was interesting, but overall I found it mediocre. I get why someone might like it, but I didn‘t. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @megnews I‘m somehow both glad she stayed fairly realistic to the real history of the times & area, and annoyed that the ending wasn‘t more straightforward as a Happily Ever After after that build up…so I guess I will fall into the not happy no matter which way she went. 😂 it might just be me. 3w
MallenNC I had mixed feelings about the end also. It felt like a lot was ramped up in the last section with only a little resolution at the end. I think if she‘d done a book just about a book woman OR just about a blue person the story may have been stronger. I also felt a little uneasy with using a person with blue skin to tell a story about racism. I‘m not really able to articulate that well, but it didn‘t fully sit right with me. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @megnews Maybe it would have been better if she‘d have just picked a track and stuck to it. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ravenlee I thought that too, but it was years between books…I can‘t image she knew there‘d be a sequel. Who knows though, because that was my first thought too…. Like she had it wrapped up one way, and then tweaked it for sequel possibility 3w
rockpools Hi Melissa. Please could I be untagged for the coming year - I‘m cutting right back on my challenge reads as I have to admit I‘m really not getting to them. (Or I may get to them in a year or two 😕) Thanks 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC I understand that too. I‘m sure they were equally discriminated against… but yes…in ways it felt odd & forced. Maybe it‘s a good way for people who can‘t usually see discrimination/prejudices to relate to it more 🤷‍♀️. Did your addition have the historical information at the end? I found that interesting…maybe a need a nonfiction about the topic. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @rockpools I completely understand that, I‘m pulling out of some others of mine too. Have a great new year of reading, no matter what you read! 3w
IndoorDame I‘d love to be added for the coming year. I loved your reading list this year every time I saw the tags! 3w
megnews I don‘t always like tidily wrapped happy endings because life‘s not always like that but I agree with @ravenlee it‘s possibly to set up the sequel. I also agree with @MallenNC that sticking to one topic might have been better. There are books on the topics separately. I‘ve had this one on my tbr for awhile 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @IndoorDame Welcome aboard. I‘ll add you to the tagging list. 3w
ravenlee One thing that bothered me was the preacher storyline. He was set up as this major villain - and then it was just over. I thought there‘d be repercussions, but it was just a gimmick to manipulate Cussy Mary into the Doc‘s study. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @IndoorDame I‘m glad you been enticed by our book selections 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ravenlee Yes! Even at the end when the sheriff intervened… I thought it was going to be they found his remains….maybe something when they buried her father…something related back to him anyway. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Some things just felt rushed…the union storyline was good, then her dad & the accident…but then the mine just closed. And there was a new fabric store instead? Uh, without the mine…they would be more impoverished, not get a new store. (edited) 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa She brought food to the kids at the school from the doctor, Henry died anyway…the teacher had to leave and close the school….then nothing. I thought that might be an opportunity for Cussy to teach too 🤷‍♀️ 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I just felt like there were a lot of great leads that got left hanging.. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oh and it was ok for Cussy to marry before, but not now, because the miscegenation law just happened to be passed during those 9 months? 3w
vlwelser I loved this book right up until the last couple of chapters. It felt rushed and she jammed a bunch of unnecessary nonsense in at the end. I will not be continuing on to the sequel. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I agree… if she‘d have spaced a bunch of that out, it might have been fine… but those last few chapters were just 1 thing after another…boom boom boom 3w
vlwelser Totally. She really lost me with the miscegenation thing. It felt unnecessary to throw that in as the penultimate chapter. Like we get it she's not considered white and people are prejudiced. 3w
staci.reads @megnews I also had mixed feelings about it. I poured through it quickly and enjoyed the story overall, but it felt uneven. 3w
staci.reads I also agree that the twist at the end came out of nowhere and then felt very underdeveloped. I also felt that way about Jackson proposing to her...too abrupt. 3w
ravenlee @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Richardson may not have known she‘d get a sequel, but it sure reads like she had written it one way and her agent/editor/somebody said, “you know, I‘m not promising anything, but this has sequel potential, so if you just reworked that ending to leave it open…” 3w
Singout I‘m glad I read it, and learning about the blue people was very interesting, but found the ending a bit forced, as other people did. It seemed like the lynching element just came too quickly, with no kind of warning. Jackson also seems like too much of the perfect hero for me. 3w
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This week‘s #BookReport and #WeeklyForcast

Still catching up from my long reading slump and piles yet to go 😉

Just keep swimming swimming 🐠🐠 reading reading 📚📚

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I finally finished this one for #SheSaid and although I had some problems with the writing style or maybe just how it was laid out, I still learned a lot and added quite a few new books and people to read more about. I think my biggest complaint was that she should have broken up the people she was covering into their own sub-chapters and expanded on each….so many great histories, that ended up feeling a bit rushed to me.

The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek | Kim Michele Richardson
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Hello #SheSaid

How is everyone this week? How is the book going for you? I‘m enjoying the stories of the book people on her trail still and want more of their individual stories, I‘m also appreciating how the author is laying out racism & prejudice & colorism as a problem that can‘t be “cured” by medicine…because it‘s a problem with the hater (hatefulness) not the hated (their color). Any thoughts you want to share?

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Is this book reminding anyone else of the Christy series? Maybe just me? 1mo
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megnews It‘s been so long since I read that series but now that you say that, yes. It‘s been awhile since I read this but I liked all the mountain folks she delivered books to. I have to admit I read Giver if Stars after this one and liked it better. I still plan to read Bookwoman‘s Daughter though. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @megnews I read some comparisons to Giver of Stars, and some seem to think it was a bit plagiarized from this 😬 I haven‘t read that one yet, but now I‘m a bit leery to try it. 1mo
vlwelser I love this book. It is fairly similar to The Giver of Stars but I'm actually enjoying this more. 1mo
megnews @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yeah, I read some articles on that. I did see the similarities. It‘s awful if that‘s the case. Taking that away, I think I just liked the writing style of the other author more. 1mo
Karisa I think you summed it up well! The school kids are still my favorite part. I was surprised that the doctor‘s study mellowed out and he seemed to find something that worked (though makes her sick). Agreed that the real problem is not her color though. The poverty and lack of necessities are heartbreaking. I haven‘t read the other books mentioned above but it‘s been reminding me of Dolly Parton‘s stories of growing up (TN not KY though).👇 1mo
Karisa I binge listened to Dolly Parton‘s America podcast about how she bridges so many disparate groups with her messages of radical offbeat acceptance, love, and compassion: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/dolly-partons-america/episodes (so similar to my grandmother who also grew up in extreme poverty) 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Karisa I‘ll have to check that out, I‘m still convinced Dolly is part Saint. The work she does with books for kids is so admirable. (edited) 1mo
MallenNC I agree with your comments @Riveted_Reader_Melissa especially the part about the problem being the hater, not the person they‘re hating. I felt stressed as Mary was going to the celebration bc I knew it wasn‘t going to be how she hoped. I like the parts about her work best, and all the people she helps. 1mo
MallenNC I haven‘t read Giver of Stars yet but I want to. My understanding is the only overlap is the librarians on horseback. I am willing to read and judge for myself bc I‘ve liked JoJo Moyes‘ writing before. 1mo
Karisa @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Agreed! The podcast just made me love her all the more. They have an episode or two just devoted to Jolene. They talk to university students, some of which acknowledged that her book program made a real difference in their lives. Dolly‘s heart for people and books reminds me of Cussy Mary so much. 💗 1mo
ravenlee I found the “cure” to be interesting - how Pa calls it a vanity, and the doctor kind of loses interest in them now that he‘s solved the mystery. I agree with the earlier comments, that it wasn‘t going to change anything because it‘s the others who have the problem, not Cussy Mary. The reactions from her patrons warmed my heart. And I‘m worried about the fire-watcher/ranger-in-training after his fight for his bride. 1mo
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Interesting and bittersweet conclusion to this series, I was glad to reach the finale and see how it turned out, relieved maybe….but sad by a few of the choices the author‘s made. Some just felt unnecessary 🤔

Wintersmith | Terence David John Pratchett
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I‘m a bit behind the #OokBOokClub or #PratchettPosse here, but I have to say I loved this one as re-read this month just as much as I did when I originally read it. And couldn‘t have been more perfect for this time of year. A great Tiffany story with the witches, Feegles, Horace, and of course a strong dose of Winter. ❄️

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A quick and short #BookReport & #WeeklyForcast… my piles are getting deeper, but at least I‘m reading again.

Darn book slump and real life getting me behind.

Now to catch up on some reviews too! 😬

Just Keep swimming swimming 🐠🐠🦈reading reading 📚📕

The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek | Kim Michele Richardson
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Hello #SheSaid. I hope the weekend is treating you well.

How are you making out with this book and section, thoughts, anything you want to discuss?

MallenNC I‘m enjoying this book! The tension in the story when she and the mule were both anxious over the preacher stalking them was stressful. But I didn‘t expect what happened in that part. And the doctor experimenting on her was so upsetting. I do enjoy her visits with those on her book route. (edited) 1mo
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staci.reads I found the scenes in the hospital infuriating. It was hard to read how she lost all agency over her body and everyone was just ok with it. 1mo
staci.reads I do love reading about her connections with the various families she delivers to. I am also looking forward to watching her relationship develop with Jackson Lovett. 1mo
vlwelser @MallenNC I definitely didn't expect the part with the preacher. I thought he was going to plague her through the entire book. It makes me curious as to what awful thing is going to happen instead. 1mo
vlwelser I was also horrified by what the doctor subjected her to. 1mo
ravenlee The doctor‘s actions make me feel ill. Blackmail‘s bad enough, but the horrible treatment in the hospital…I felt sick reading about it. I was wishing terrible things on those nuns. 1mo
ravenlee @MallenNC @vlwelser I agree - I expected that to be the big conflict throughout the story; now I wonder if there will be fallout later on, or if it was just the impetus for the medical testing. 1mo
ravenlee I‘m still on the fence about the book. I‘m interested enough that I want to know what happens - especially with all the patrons on her route; but I can‘t say I‘m enjoying it. 1mo
Karisa @ravenlee That‘s a good point. Just because the preacher is dead doesn‘t mean that problem is fully resolved… 1mo
Karisa I‘m finding this book really interesting. As others above mentioned, the medical study parts were so sad and uncomfortable. I kept thinking of all the medical photos and how many people unwillingly have been studied throughout history. I also love the book route parts best. The kids and teacher were so sweet. The lifesaver part sounds like a depression era story my grandmother could‘ve told 1mo
Singout I am really liking it as well: I particularly enjoyed the stories about the boy who gave her his lifesaver and the young man who wants to be a forest ranger. The commitment to mutual support and helping people get a bit further along when they‘re immersed in hardship is really inspiring. I‘m curious to see what happens with her father‘s mine, which is only being hinted at. And yes, the medical experimentation is gruelling. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Karisa I immediately thought of all the unwelcomed medical experimentation myself. From “lunatic” asylums, where you could be commuted for anything (like hysteria) and subjected to the most brutal treatments with no recourse at all…to the horrible experimentation done on slaves during that era, or Jews under nazism. So much suffering for scientific curiosity, and some of it outright sadism disguised as medicine. So much for “do no harm” (edited) 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @staci.reads Did you by any chance read the Christy stories or see the movies years ago. Her romance while working with the “hill people” is reminding me a bit of this, especially when Cussy and the smart dam builder have their moments together. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC @vlwelser Right, you‘re happy the preacher is gone…yet his presence is stalking her even after death making her miserable. (edited) 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ravenlee I think I‘m with you, on the fence…it easily readable and I‘ll have no trouble finishing it. Some parts about books & reading & the folk are lovely. Some parts are very grim, but as much as they disturb me, I have to remind myself they are pretty historically accurate too (sadly). I read somewhere there is a sequel in the works, not sure if I‘m up for that though or not. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ yes, double checked…sequel comes out next year. 2022 1mo
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I‘ve been in a bit of a slump, but I finished a book last week….so I‘m going to try to start posting these again regularly so (hopefully) motivation. 😳


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I loved this nonfiction book that examines the Great migration from the South to the North and West of large swaths of African Americans starting in WWI. Wilkerson does a great job here of telling the larger story of terror, upheaval, change, and culture shock by interviewing and telling the personal stories of 3 migrants and their families…looking to escape racism and lynchings and get a new start in under warmer (and hopefully pleasanter) suns.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sorry @megnews I got on a roll and just finished it. #OtherSuns 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @TheAromaofBooks This was my #DoubleBookSpin from May 😳, but I finally read it 🤪 1mo
megnews It happens! I‘ve enjoyed the discussions. Glad you liked it. I really like your graphic. 1mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @megnews Stock background images in Vanillapen, it seemed like the right one to pick to me. 😉 1mo
Tamra I keep meaning to read this one! 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Tamra I think you‘d really like it, she tells the larger history… but the majority of the book is the retelling of 3 peoples lives, in their own words….what they saw, why they left, what happened when they arrived, etc, etc. it makes it all the more personal and relatable. I found myself so grateful she was able to do intensive interviews with people from this generation before they are all gone. Their personal stories makes history come alive 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Tamra ↪️ and as she follows their lives and stories she gives the larger backdrop and history…making the connections that show why these stories are so important and typical of the time. 1mo
Tamra @Riveted_Reader_Melissa sounds fabulous! 1mo
Amiable Such a phenomenal book! 1mo
TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!! Great work getting this one checked off!!! 1mo
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The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek | Kim Michele Richardson
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Hello #SheSaid! What I difference from our last read. For historical academic to historical fiction.

I personally am really enjoying this so far, despite the pain and hardships of this life on the mountain full of dangers from mining, the elements, and (as always) other people. But how can I not root for a book woman and her ornery and protective mule.

How are you fairing so far?

Karisa I‘m enjoying it too. It was hard to stop at the end of this section. I felt like the creepy preacher was going to jump out again at any moment. I also spent all week telling anyone who would listen about the real blue people of Kentucky. I‘ll be mentioning it during our genetics unit for sure! How had I never heard of this? Thought it was magical realism at first. I really like learning about the mobile librarians too. What brave people! 1mo
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Daisey I read this a few months ago and really enjoyed it! I had heard of the pack mule librarians, but it was fascinating to actually learn more about them. 1mo
Scochrane26 @Karisa I have grown up in Ky & never heard of blue people until this book. My book club read this when it came our, & I don‘t think any of them knew either. 1mo
Scochrane26 Favorite character in this book is Junia the mule. Richardson called in to our book club, & we wanted to know more about the mule. 1mo
vlwelser I agree with @Karisa so hard to put down. I like that we're doing a fun fiction read this month instead of something more serious. 1mo
vlwelser It's stunning to me that she's treated as other and not even allowed to use the indoor toilet, like the "proper" ladies might catch something. Junia for sure is my favorite so far, but I already like a lot of the characters. 1mo
JenlovesJT47 I read this a couple of years ago and really liked it. I‘m thinking of grabbing the audiobook. This book is compared to The Giver of Stars a lot and some say GOS is a rip-off, but I loved them both and think they‘re both solid stories on their own. The blue skin thing is fascinating! 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Yes, December is a great month for a fun fiction instead of a more serious read. It‘s also a nice change of pace from time to time. 😉 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Scochrane26 I‘m so glad I‘m not the only one loving the mule. Junia seems like such a kindred spirit with Cussy, both abused and taken for granted, underestimated and under-appreciated. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Karisa I kept waiting for it too, I‘m sure he will again. 😬 1mo
ravenlee Another vote for Junia the mule - it‘s awful but I kinda hope she kicks the creeper preacher to death. It‘s taking me some time to settle in, it didn‘t sit right at first but it‘s been a frazzled few days and I‘m going to give it some more time. 1mo
ravenlee The racism/colorism makes me feel ill. The scene with Harriet fingering her wart-covered jaw and complaining that the “coloreds” might pass on some sort of disease was so disturbing. 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ravenlee So reminiscent of all racism (that really isn‘t a race). It‘s different than what we‘ve read about before, but all too familiar in many ways. I‘m feeling like the genetics of blue, and the way she is approaching it in the story, might be eye opening for some who can‘t see it normally (the colorism, racism, prejudice views). If nothing else it reminds me that humans are equally bizarre about anything viewed as “different”. 1mo
MallenNC I am enjoying this book too. It‘s been in my TBR forever, and now that I‘m reading I had trouble stopping at the end of our section. The narrator for the audiobook is doing a good job with he accents, which isn‘t always true of southern/mountain speakers. I didn‘t know the people with blue skin before reading this. (edited) 1mo
megnews I had heard of pack mule librarians and blue people before reading this. Didn‘t know much about blue people though so I did a lot of research while reading this. I find both topics fascinating. I love the setting though not the racism. 1mo
Singout Really interesting: the pack mule librarians, the determination to make books and literature at all levels accessible to everybody who wants it, the people with blue skin and the clarity about how “whiteness” isn‘t just about skin color. Like the previous commentor I am loving the audiobook reader. 1mo
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What I read in November…1 comic, and a bunch of parts of things I haven‘t finished. 😂.

Hopefully this month will be quieter, and a better reading month. 😉


vlwelser Um. What? Are you ok? 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Right, not my normal at all! 😂 I was sick early in the month (sinus cold, so I took sinus decongestant and then feel asleep every time I laid down to read), then my nephew got sick so I got busy with him, then my cat passed away, then it was Thanksgiving time. 😂 I honestly don‘t know where the month went…. But I‘m hoping for a quieter and more reading conducive December. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Oh, and I forgot about the weekend the window decided to break so I spent all weekend getting that taken care of, and that my nephew got a new puppy! 2mo
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vlwelser If I read 1 comic in a month and no books, people would come looking to make sure I was still breathing. 2mo
vlwelser I'm super sorry about your cat. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Yea…I need better friends 🤔😂. That should definitely qualify as a cry for help. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Me too, I had 6 cats, 4 older 12yrs & up in age. This was the third one to pass away this year. It‘s just been a bit much. This month it was Tux, he was almost 13, and was diagnosed diabetic earlier this year, insulin injections & everything. So I know he‘s at peace now and not suffering, but it‘s still tough…my cat population halved in 1 year. I knew they were all getting up there, but I still didn‘t expect them to go in a group. ⤵️ 2mo
vlwelser The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek is starting out really strong. So that's good news. Just ditch all these other things. November is over. Kidding. Terry Pratchett is the best. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa But thank you so much for thinking of me & checking on me. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser 😂 Nope, both the nonfictions I‘m over halfway finished so they are chugging along nicely. And I think this holiday season will need some Pratchett and fantasy reads too. (edited) 2mo
vlwelser Of course. 2mo
vlwelser Pratchett nearly always cheers me up. 2mo
ravenlee I‘m so sorry you had such a rough month, and especially about your fur babies. I lost my two unexpectedly within three months of each other, and it devastated me. It took two years before I could get another. I hope December is kinder to you! 2mo
azulaco Going Postal is my favorite Terry Pratchett book! 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ravenlee Thank you! I had it happen once before…many many years ago. Then it was a brother & sister that I had gotten together as kittens from the shelter (they were with me about 12 years, died a month apart in their sleep). I think they pine for each other too when they‘ve been together that long, like the stories you hear about old married couples, where one goes right after the other. (edited) 2mo
tokorowilliamwallace Pratchett and Peters are good Sagittarius romps! 2mo
ScientistSam I'm sorry you've had such a rough month! I saw you hadn't been reading much and wanted to check in. 1mo
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Jackal121 Thanks @hannah-leeloo 2mo
BookwormAHN I looking forward to starting the new series 😺 2mo
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CrowCAH Woohoo I read Light of the Jedi! 2mo
CSeydel Sorry I have been absent from Litsy for a while - life has been really challenging this year - but I am back! I am not great at sticking to a reading plan but I love seeing what‘s going on in the Star Wars reading community and reading your reviews ☺️ 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CSeydel I‘m glad I‘m not the only one…sorry you had a tough year too….the last few months were tough for me, I‘m behind on my own Star Wars Reading. Welcome back, and here is to a better 2022 for both of us. 2w
CSeydel @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yes! Cheers to 2022 🥂 2w
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A Book of Spinning Wheels | Joan Whittaker Cummer
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I‘m late… but #BookSpinBingo list for December. If you posted the numbers already, I promise I didn‘t look.🙈

TheAromaofBooks Yay!!! I did post the numbers this morning, but I trust you!! 😂 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @TheAromaofBooks Both picks happen to be ones in the same place from last month that I didn‘t read, so I even have proof I didn‘t fudge them 😂🤪 they are in the exact places on last month‘s list. 2mo
TheAromaofBooks The BookSpin Fates REALLY want you to read those!! 😂 2mo
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#Nonfiction2022 is here!
(especially for those planning ahead)

Can anyone guess the inspirations for this year‘s choices?

If these make you think of the closing of The Breakfast Club or the song B!tch by Meredith Brooks you are right. People/books can be many different things to different people depending on your POV & preconceived ideas OR many things all wrapped up in one. So have a blast fillings these categories any way you want.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Cinfhen Were you the one that asked me recently to tag you when I posted the new card for 2022? If so, here it is…if not, sorry, I‘ll tag you too. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Amandajoy I know you just asked me about this recently. Here you go. 2mo
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Amiable Interesting! My brain is already starting to ponder these categories. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Again, for anyone new…these can be filled any way that suits you. “I‘m a criminal” for instance…you could go straight to a criminal biography (Capone/Manson, whatever), or a True Crime story, but also remember that people from Martin Luther King Jr, to Nelson Mandala, to Freedom Riders were all criminals in their time and spent time locked up. So if a category sounds like not your thing, try looking at it a different way. Maybe Alcatraz, or ⤵️ (edited) 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ maybe just maybe you like science and think Watson and Crick stole that DNA and got the credit when they shouldn‘t, or remember that famous Enigma Machine Alan Turing‘s brilliance was criminalized because of his sexual orientation, archeology = grave robbers, etc, etc, etc… you can go anywhere, the choice (as always) is up to you.😉 (edited) 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Amiable You can really go anywhere with these, I tried to post an example for people new to this bingo card. But as usual, if anyone gets stuck, just ask for some suggestions. (edited) 2mo
Amandajoy Yay! I‘ve been waiting for this! 2mo
Addison_Reads This is always one of my favorite challenges each year. Thank you for doing it again. 💚 2mo
Amiable @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think the challenge for me will be to avoid always defaulting to memoirs or biographies to fit the categories. It may take a bit more brainpower to find books that are straight narrative nonfiction. But I‘m up for the challenge! 👍🏼 2mo
Singout Yaaaay! I think I‘m getting obsessed with these challenges… 2mo
Megabooks Still looking for I‘m your angel undercover 😉 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Megabooks I bet you can find a book for that 😉 and stick it in the free space. 2mo
Cinfhen I‘ve been WAITING FOREVER for this!!!! AMAZING prompts 🤩 LOVE ❤️ Now I‘m off to plan / thanks for tagging me 2mo
Cinfhen And yes, I did ask xxx thanks for remembering 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Addison_Reads Thank you! There is so much out there, that is a huge compliment. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Cinfhen You are very welcome! 2mo
squirrelbrain Love these prompts Melissa! I‘m trying not to do too many challenges next year but…..! 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @squirrelbrain I try to make this one open enough, that you can pair it with other books you are already planning on reading or reading with other groups. Good luck no matter which challenges you decide attempt. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage Can‘t wait!! Now I need to do some planning! Thank you for a fun set of prompts. 👍🏻🤓📚 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage You are welcome! I can‘t wait to see all the fun choices! 2mo
4thhouseontheleft Love it! I fail miserably every year, but I keep trying! 😄 2mo
Ruthiella I‘m going to give it a shot. I read next to no NF. Maybe this will help me work it into my other reading! 2mo
Butterfinger Count me in!!!! 2mo
jb72 @AnneFindsJoy it‘s here! This one looks like a lot of fun. 1mo
AnneFindsJoy @jb72 yay! This year will be LOTS of fun, love the topics!!! 1mo
IndoorDame I‘m really excited to join you for the first time! I‘m slowly starting to read more nonfiction so motivation to expand on that is awesome! Most of the nonfiction I‘ve been reading has been memoirs, so I‘m trying to think more expansively… do you consider poetry fiction or nonfiction for this challenge? 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @IndoorDame Poetry is considered non-fiction by goodreads so it is non-fiction! Read what works for you and have fun with it! 1mo
IndoorDame @Riveted_Reader_Melissa awesome! Thanks! 1mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @IndoorDame You are very welcome. This is definitely supposed to be a fun laid back challenge, so have fun with it. 1mo
vlwelser I read a lot of nonfiction so I'll give this a whirl. Your criminal explanation above is brilliant and sort of answers all of my original questions. 3w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Thanks. The categories are always meant to be very broad and open to interpretation. And usually I find books I read can fit multiple categories. 2w
vlwelser Do you use them for multiple categories or do you just pick one per book? Because using Ida B for half the board feels like it would be cheating. 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I only use each book once, not for multiple categories…deciding which it fits in best or works for my bingo can be interesting too. 2w
vlwelser Wow. You had no idea what you were getting into with me and the questions.... Are we doing the whole sheet or just trying to get a bingo? 2w
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser It was meant just for bingo, but you have all year and Litsy being Litsy many people aim for coverall. Again your choice. And you can ask as many questions as you like 😉 2w
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Updated Schedule for #SheSaid, some major & minor changes. I kept our January pick since so many are looking forward to more about Ida B Wells since crossing paths with her in a few other places. But I spaced out our reads a bit for the beginning of the year to hopefully make more space in your schedule for everyone who wants to participate in the #1619Project with @4thhouseontheleft

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa If we need to make any future adjustments as we go, I‘m going to leave that possibility open though. So if you are reading with both groups and finding it difficult to keep up, please say so and let me know….and we can adjust more. I don‘t want anyone to miss out on any great books they want to participate in. 2mo
MallenNC This looks like a great plan to me. I am looking forward to reading about Ida B. Wells! 2mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa @MallenNC I was trying to come up with a compromise that might work for everyone….but again if it doesn‘t work, I‘ll leaving it open to change more if we need to. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa I know you were waiting for this @vlwelser 2mo
MallenNC @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I think that‘s a good way to go. I think this looks workable but I hope you will also say if it is too much for you. 2mo
vlwelser 🤗😘 2mo
ravenlee It looks good to me! 2mo
Karisa Works for me too. Thanks! 💗 2mo
ravenlee In case anybody needs it - Book Outlet has Ida B. the Queen, Rage Becomes Her, and The Purpose of Power - for under $10 each and through today (what‘s left of it) use HOLIDAY5 to get an extra $5 off. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @ravenlee Thanks! That‘s a great deal too. 2mo
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I know many of you struggled with this book, but I‘ve seen a few reviews so I know some of you have persevered. I myself have fallen behind… sorry, that I‘m the one dropping the ball here. I am determined however to finish it yet this week! I am learning a lot, but I do feel like I need to force myself to pick it up at times. So please discuss what you learned, loved, struggled with…it will all motivate me to catch up. Again, sorry I fell behind.

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MallenNC This one was definitely dry and academic so falling behind is understandable. I thought it was valuable in learning about people I didn‘t know a lot about. It was a good follow up to 400 Souls. My favorite chapter was the one from this week about women in the civil rights movement. I‘ve got a lot of people to learn more about in the future. 2mo
megnews @Riveted_Reader_Melissa don‘t feel bad! I am behind in #othersuns too and it‘s definitely not dry. Got busy with holiday prep and my daughter being home from school. Mostly audio booking and quick easy reads for me. Determined to catch up and post Friday. 2mo
ravenlee My biggest struggle with this book wasn‘t that it‘s dry (it is, but I‘m good with academic writing) so much as the structure wasn‘t exactly linear or subject-oriented. It bounced around, and I got timelines and people mixed up because of it. There‘s a firehose effect of names and organizations, and it‘s hard to sort out who is involved in what. I wish there had been a master list of all the amazing women somewhere. 2mo
ravenlee The ending felt rushed to me, very pell-mell rightuptothepresentday! And I realized after I‘d finished that the women‘s movement in the churches information just stopped. I don‘t know if it had reached its pinnacle in the previous section, or it wasn‘t as notable in more modern times, or if she just didn‘t write about it. Also, the Chisholm slogan in one of the photos was opposite the slogan in the text on the previous page, which bothered me. 2mo
tenar I liked this book, but I felt the strength of the last segment (about Parks, Bethune, etc.) made it easier to see the struggle in the third quarter. I think it lost its focus for a bit there, which made it feel that much more repetitive. I agree @ravenlee, like a firehose!

But I learned So Much reading this, maybe for that very reason. Both about individuals and about the overall historical trends. I‘m really glad to have read it with y‘all.
tenar The Smithsonian African-American History Museum has launched an online presence, with lots to explore, and one of their smaller features is on Jarena Lee: https://www.searchablemuseum.com/preacher-jarena-lee-praise-in-the-meantime 2mo
tenar @ravenlee I think I got caught up in the rush of the ending, but I was thinking the same thing- where is the church information in this more recent history? Did the church fall that much out of importance after the development of the Black Women‘s Clubs? Either way, I‘d have love for it to have been discussed. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage I think the biggest advantage of this book will be pointing our group to some related books, possibly focused on just one or two of these women at a time. Or more on individual parts of this century-long movement, like the church-related activism, for example. 2mo
tenar @BarbaraTheBibliophage For sure. This felt like a big, rich introduction to me. I ended up writing down a lot of names to read about further. It (especially in the acknowledgments!) made me even more excited for our upcoming book 2mo
vlwelser I agree with @ravenlee the fact that she jumps around and is non linear is possibly the most distracting. The last chapter and epilogue are very rushed. I'd like to learn more about the woman who worked for LBJ. And throwing Stacy Abrams in at the end was just weird. 2mo
megnews @vlwelser the Stacy Abrams part definitely felt rushed. 2mo
megnews I looked up more on Joe Ella Moore. Moore from the same county is one of my kids‘ lines on their father‘s side so I‘m hoping to look into her more. I found this pic of her being registered to vote: https://da.mdah.ms.gov/moncrief/image.php?display=item&item=338 2mo
fredthemoose @tenar thanks for the info! 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @tenar I agree that the Ida B Wells book is gonna be great!! 2mo
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The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek | Kim Michele Richardson
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Our next selection is on sale in the US on Amazon (thanks for the tip @BarbaraTheBibliophage ). I always try my library first, but if you can‘t get it there 2.99 on kindle or free if you have prime. #SheSaid

Karisa 👏👏👏 Thanks for the heads up. Snagged it for free! 💗 2mo
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mandarchy That's a good price! I got the paperback as a gift and sent it across the country to my parents because we usually share kindle books. Kind of funny that it's free now. I could have sanded postage! 😆 2mo
Singout Just downloaded it last night! 2mo
BookBosomed1 Such a good book! There is a children‘s nonfiction picture book that is a great accompaniment. 2mo
PhyllisH Such a great book. 2mo
megnews I‘ve already read this but I‘ll join in conversation if you don‘t mind. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @megnews I don‘t mind at all, please do! 2mo
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The Book Woman of Troublesome Creek | Kim Michele Richardson
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Lots of updates today #SheSaid, but first the most important one….the schedule for our next book. So pick up your copy or put in your library holds we are heading into Troublesome Creek this holiday season.

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Ring of the Ruby Dragon | Jeannie Black
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Tor has an article in their newsletter about these


I had them and many many Choose Your Own Adventure books and knockoffs.

What great memories! 😉

vivastory I loved Choose Your Own Adventures! (edited) 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vivastory They were the best!!! 2mo
GingerAntics Wait, there were D&D choose your own adventure romance novels? So much to unpack there. I‘ve never hear of choose your own adventure for romance. Does that make them choose your own romance? 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @GingerAntics Yes, I had them… but they were like pre-tween romance. I think I read them around the same time I was into Sweet Valley High. So Choose Your Own Adventure, with a tween girl fantasy slant. 2mo
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa oh okay. So not at all what I was thinking. 2mo
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Good day #SheSaid another week has flown by… and in the US the holidays are soon upon us. How are you making out with this week‘s reading, I personally am struggling a bit with the drier telling which is such a contrast to The Warmth of Other Suns which I‘m also reading right now. I learning much, but also looking forward to our fiction choice for next month😂. I also have an important question this week, there is a group read starting in ⤵️

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ January for the 1619 Project. I think that is a great book to read as a group too, but I know it can be hard for some to read multiple non-fiction books a month. So my question is, do we want to join in on that read Jan-May, 1 essay a week… and just push back our schedule 5 months, basically break for that and then pick up where we left off when it finishes? What do you think? Would that be helpful? Doable? Or not? 2mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa The 1619 Project read is hosted by @4thhouseontheleft if anyone would like to check out her post for more information 2mo
vlwelser I'm guessing you would like to do this if you're bringing it up. Count me as a vote toward whatever you want to do. Because I honestly have no opinion and will do either option. 2mo
vlwelser Regarding this week's reading, I'm struggling a bit with her writing style but I think this is amazingly well researched and I'm learning a lot about people I didn't know about. But it's not prompting me to google things for more details. 2mo
megnews I am putting hosting any non fiction on hold til 1619 Project is done too. For one, this was a selection I had in mind and two, getting through non fiction can be difficult for me. Already pushing myself with the amount I‘ve been reading. I‘d support whatever you decided…not always able to join in anyway. 2mo
megnews In regards to this week‘s reading, I finished up on audio and it‘s hard for me to separate out this and next week‘s sections. Overall, I think I learned a lot about historical figures I never heard of as well as expansion on those I only knew a little about. It‘s definitely made me want to read more on Rosa Parks. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser I could go either way, but I know many people read at different rates than me…and I just don‘t want anyone to feel like they have to miss out on one or the other. 2mo
4thhouseontheleft @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Thanks for posting about #1619GroupRead! I‘ll be putting out some more jnfo soon (we‘ll, maybe after Thanksgiving), but I plan on including some additional resources to go along with each essay that people can check out if they want. 2mo
tenar Oh, interesting proposition! I was worried about joining 1619 because of overcommitment, so it would be helpful for me personally if we focused on it, but I‘m also okay with missing a little of either group if there are #SheSaid members who aren‘t interested in 1619 and want to keep going. 2mo
tenar Things I didn‘t learn about in school #7867: the Senate of the United States in the early 1900s put up for a vote to alter the Constitution in a way that would trade black men‘s suffrage for white women‘s suffrage (bonus: with one of the major motivations being fear of black women‘s suffrage). That whole episode really threw me for a loop. 2mo
ravenlee For the first note - I‘m planning to participate in the #1619GroupRead and am not sure how that would affect my #SheSaid participation, so I‘m ok with pausing the latter to pursue the former. The next few books aren‘t available through my library, so I need to source them elsewhere, and that gives me more time to do so. But I can also pop in and out if y‘all want to continue as planned. 2mo
ravenlee This section really had me confused a lot - so many names to keep track of, and the timeline kept pushing forward and then pulling back to go along another line, so events and people got multiple mentions and it was confusing. Also, in discussing the conflict between the Black leaders and the white suffragists, I often couldn‘t tell who was whom (I must admit I‘m not really up on my suffragist who‘s who, which contributed to the confusion). 2mo
ravenlee The discussion of Senator Vardaman and the mixed reaction to the threat he posed reminded me so much of the beginning of Trump‘s presidency. A lot of people blew him off (I honestly thought/hoped he‘s realize he didn‘t have infinite power and get bored; I never realized he‘d just dismantle all the safeguards), but there were those who recognized how bad things were about to get. 2mo
MallenNC I am planning to do the 1619 reading too and it didn‘t really seem like too much for me to do both. However I read a lot, and understand others may not, so I‘m fine if others prefer to pause SheSaid. 2mo
MallenNC As for Vanguard I am enjoying learning more about people and history that I didn‘t know much about before but I agree the drier, academic style is a little harder for me than narrative nonfiction like The Warmth of Other Suns. Both styles are valuable but the reading experience is definitely different. 2mo
MallenNC @tenar I had never heard about that attempt to repeal (or otherwise limit) the 15th amendment either. And the part about Mary Church Terrell and her husband the judge was also new to me. Her saying she suffered more than her husband over the attacks on him reminded me of Michelle Obama‘s experience. 2mo
staci.reads I got a late start this month, and I drudged through the first 3 chapters. I'm really struggling with the writing in this one, and it's due back to the library, so I believe I'm going to bail. I can't get into it, and I'm trying to get better about abandoning books I'm not enjoying. There are too many good ones out there to stick with one I don't like, but man, I hate doing it 😔 I'll join back in next month. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @ravenlee I felt the same about Vardaman. Everything stays the same and that‘s why is so bloody systemic. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @staci.reads I considered bailing more than once. Not so sure I loved it in the end. Her writing style just never clicked for me. But now I have a whole new list of Black women I want to read more about! 2mo
rjsthumbelina @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Would it be possible for #shesaid to take 2 months to read books instead of one while #1619GroupRead happens? That way the sections would be more manageable. It just feels like that would be a long time to be on hiatus 2mo
rjsthumbelina @staci.reads @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage I'm glad I'm not the only one having trouble with the dry writing! I'm way behind. But I'm determined to finish it bc I'm so interested in the subject matter - we'll see if that works out 🙃 2mo
megnews @ravenlee I also found it to be a lot of names and going back & forth in time was hard, especially on audio. I enjoyed the stories told but may not pass a traditional test with dates etc if I was taking it from this. 😂 2mo
megnews Another thing I noted throughout the book is the voter suppression even when it was legal to vote. Same old same old today. How people don‘t see through the shenanigans to what the actual purpose is-disenfranchising black people-is beyond me. It‘s willful to me. 2mo
vlwelser What is the verdict on the 1619 thing? Are we keeping to the original schedule? I like knowing what the plan is. No pressure. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Sorry, no verdict yet… I‘m trying to think up a good compromise. I let you know this weekend though. 2mo
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Here you go @BookwormAHN #StarWarsBuddyRead

The schedule for the next few months, basically the new releases in publication order until we are caught up. 😉

CrowCAH Great! I screenshot the list so I can join in! 2mo
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BookwormAHN Looks great, thanks 😺 2mo
Jackal121 @hannah-leeloo I may never catch up haha 2mo
Andrew65 Thanks 😍 2mo
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Many many days late, I completely forgot until @BookwormAHN posted about the book today! So sorry #StarWarsBuddyRead

Here is our November read! I hope everyone enjoyed Thrawn last month (mine still hasn‘t come in from the library).

And yes @BookwormAHN I‘ll post a new schedule for 2022 very soon, we are caught up on the “older” new cannon books, so from here on, it will mostly be by publication order. 😉

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So sorry for the delay there #SheSaid it got a bit hectic here at my place today. But please jump on when you get a chance, and feel free to start discussing. I‘ll be back later (and yes, before anyone worries, I‘m fine, everything‘s fine…just needed to emergency repair an unexpectedly broken window on a Sunday 😂)

vlwelser Why did it never occur to me that obviously there were refugees during the civil war? I know that's not really the point of the last 3 chapters but that's what really bonked me on the head. 2mo
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Karisa I loved the parts about Sojourner Truth. Jones grabbed my attention with “utopian, free love community” and kept it throughout that part. I had heard before that the ain‘t I a woman quote was misattributed to that conference. It was cool to read what she actually said in comparing her strengths to an equal of men (not just white women). She was fearless and had me thinking of Audre Lorde speaking in the 80s. What awesome inspirations! 2mo
Karisa @vlwelser Yea, I marked that part too. “There, Shadd joined a growing community of Black Americans who
had fled-or, in the language of the
day, emigrated from-the United States in search of free soil.” 🤯 I think it was Shadd that they said maybe said the truth too much. Wth!
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MallenNC @Karisa I really enjoyed the parts about Sojourner Truth also. A while back my IRL book group and I listened to a Smithsonian podcast episode about Truth, and at the end an actor performs as she probably really sounded. https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/sojourner-truth 2mo
MallenNC @vlwelser I had also never thought about refugees leaving the U.S. for Canada at that time either. 2mo
Karisa @MallenNC Thank you! Sounds like the next best thing to a time machine.💗 2mo
MallenNC One other thing I noticed in this section were the details about the prejudice and trouble Black people faced at this time even in free areas. It reminds me of the parts of The Warmth of Other Suns when in the Great Migration people faced many challenges in getting to (and after arriving in) their new homes in the North and West. 2mo
MallenNC @Karisa Yes! We were all surprised that her real voice and accent had been so different. 2mo
ravenlee @vlwelser I was struck by that, too - I knew that Black people ran for the lines when they could, but I never thought about it in terms of refugee camps, displaced families, and other images we have of modern war refugees. 2mo
ravenlee Two things stood out to me in this section: the racism/segregation over transportation, which seems like such an iconic Civil Rights Movement/1960s idea, really dates back to pre-Civil War; and the impressive gains Black women fought for and won in church leadership. There‘s more than one road to power. 2mo
tenar I found the women in our reading so ridiculously inspirational. They made me want to roll up my sleeves and write a letter to the editor, the governor, everybody. And I agree, some of the things people were up to in this time never occurred to me.

But those suffragist speakers comparing white women‘s station to slavery, using ‘slave‘ as a metaphor when actual slavery existed just a few doors down, has to be the pinnacle of ‘white feminism‘. Wow.
ravenlee My favorite line this week was on page 80: “Truth was not a metaphor.” It‘s specifically about Sojourner Truth and her role as a speaker; but it works on so many levels. 2mo
tenar @ravenlee I noticed that, too. So much of what I attribute to the 50s & 60s had been building for sooo long. And it seems like many movements for rights end up coalescing around transportation at some point. I was really interested in the story of the black woman and white woman who ended up teaming up in court against the conductor in DC! It sounds like he was charged with assault but not discrimination at that early date. Such a long time. 2mo
megnews I had read Francis Ellen Watkins Harper‘s poetry but didn‘t realize she was involved in this movement. It makes me want to read more by and about her. 2mo
tenar I wanted to suggest PBS‘s Crash Course Black American History series as a great companion to this reading. It‘s helped me with context, as I didn‘t learn practically any in school! They are compelling 10 min lessons, moving from pre-Civil War to, eventually, the current day, with a new ep each week. I particularly remember the ones on Frederick Douglass and womens‘ specific experiences of enslavement. It‘s on Youtube and hosted by the author of (edited) 2mo
tenar Here‘s a link to the whole playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8dPuuaLjXtNYJO8JWpXO2JP0ezgxsrJJ

I see they recently released an episode called “The Black Women‘s Club Movement”!
MallenNC @tenar I have Crash Course bookmarked to watch soon. Thanks for suggesting it. 2mo
tenar @MallenNC No problem! Thank you for sharing that podcast episode, I bookmarked it, too! This is such an interesting bundle of topics; I‘m enjoying learning about it all from multiple sources. 2mo
ravenlee So much good stuff to dive into from this discussion! @tenar that whole “women are slaves” line really bothered me, too. Talk about being tone deaf! 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage I‘m still struggling with the professorial nature of the writing. Then yesterday I explained the book‘s framework to my husband. That made me realize how much I‘ve learned, which was cool. I think it‘s structured like a series of mini-biographies of several generations of women starting at the of slavery. Also seeing the various focus areas - churches, clubs, and schools. When I think about it that way, it‘s pretty cool. 2mo
tenar @BarbaraTheBibliophage That‘s so cool! I think teaching or explaining to someone can be the best way to find out if I understand something or not. I‘m learning a lot from this book, too, but honestly am not able to remember and keep straight all the different names. So instead I‘m trying to absorb the trends in those focus areas you mentioned. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @tenar I wish there was a list of each of these women, like you said. I also find myself highlighting quotes from the women and I plan to go back and add notes so I know who said that. 2mo
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A new month, a new book #SheSaid.

What are your initials feelings starting this one, after the first sections?

My first thought was…maybe I should have read this one before Hood Feminism 🤷‍♀️ and I was thinking that before I even finished the introduction. 😂

Definitely some related reading we are in, I can tell we picked a lot around a central theme when we selected all of these and they are inter-relating very nicely (at least for me).

ravenlee I was thinking along similar lines, that they work together but this one is more informative and researched than subjective and experience-focused. I didn‘t know how active abolitionist movements were and the other societies described at such early dates - decades before we really learn about them in history classes. 2mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes @ravenlee and so much again that we never learned because it got mainly “white” washed out of history and we learned just the white ladies names. It makes me appreciate the argument against White Feminism from the last book more, realizing how much we‘ve purposefully ignored/forgotten about people other than the privileged & white Susan B Anthony or Elizabeth Stanton‘s of the day. (edited) 2mo
vlwelser I'm not sure what I expected from this book but it seems like an in depth history lesson so far. I like it, but it's a little dry. I did like that she was pretty detailed with her own family's history. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @ravenlee The author of this one is a professor and it shows in her writing style, even when she‘s talking about family. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @vlwelser I‘m also finding it somewhat dry reading. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage Yes, these and @megnews read along of the Warmth of Other Suns and 400 Souls before, have meshed very nicely for me. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I want to go back to 400 Souls and read the part about Mariah Stewart again. And see if any others are mentioned from Vanguard. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser Yes, this one is the history lesson, and Hood Feminism was essays & commentary on that history & present. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @vlwelser @BarbaraTheBibliophage The audiobook is pretty good, if either of you have access to that at your libraries. 2mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage @Riveted_Reader_Melissa The audio of Vanguard? That might help. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @BarbaraTheBibliophage sometimes it helps me with more history lesson type books and the narrator isn‘t bad (not like the Lorde audiobook) 2mo
MallenNC I agree with others that this is written in an academic style. Now that I accepted that I am enjoying it more! I think I expected that this was focused on the modern civil rights era, maybe because of the cover image. I did really appreciate learning about how abolition and early women‘s rights overlapped (though not as much as it should have). I want to look back at the Mariah Stewart part of 400 Souls. 2mo
tenar I don‘t have anything new to add, but I love what I‘ve read so far! I think I like books with an academic flavor. (One Person No Vote was also written by a professor, right?) The person-focused introduction was a really compelling hook into the issues. The same thing stood out to me as to y‘all- the whitewashing of women‘s suffrage history by the white women themselves. Definitely helped in understanding how we got to the issues in Hood Feminism. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar Yes it was. It‘s was by Carol Anderson, her other book is also excellent. So far I thinks it‘s worked out to be a good mix, some more academic, some more personal, or memoir, or essay. It keeps it from getting too stale, at least for me. So yes, I‘m finding this one a refreshing change after 2 essay books in a row, even if it is drier academically written. (edited) 2mo
megnews I still need to finish chapter 2 but so far I have similar observations. I love history but I struggle with a dry telling. I loved the intro on her family. I may need to switch to audio as well. I also think it works well with the other books we recently read or are reading. I particularly liked going back to the Revolution era as so little is taught about Black people during this time period. 2mo
tenar @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Stacking that, thank you! The book selections have been great, all seeming to build on things we‘ve learned in the others.

One of the topics we‘ve only dipped our toes into is women‘s place in religious power structures. I was intrigued by the story of Jarena Lee, the preacher! Looking forward to more. I know that the Southern Baptist Convention is today still in turmoil over both race and women‘s rights to power.
ravenlee I‘m actually appreciating the tone. While it is a little dry, it‘s still compelling and interesting to me. The exhaustive research gives it drive. With Hood Feminism, I think I expected more universalism (based on the subtitle), but it was very centered on Kendall‘s own experiences. I like the breadth we‘re getting in Vanguard that was missing before. 2mo
ravenlee @tenar I agree, the importance of women in the churches is pretty fascinating, and it‘s definitely something that carries into the present or very recent history in so many of the denominations. 2mo
Karisa @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Oh! I had not picked up that the author was a professor. Makes so much sense now. I agree that the audiobook is well done but a bit dry ( @vlwelser). I have had it playing in the car and glad my kids are listening. I had not realized church‘s huge role in the vanguard. I just did a Kindle version search; “church” has almost 300 hits in the book! I lucked out and grabbed both audio and kindle copies from my library 😊 (edited) 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar Another interesting one that you might like is Coretta Scott King‘s book…which touched on her childhood, the early movement through the church, and even touches on how women were staffing the offices and doing the work, but the men (the ministers) were the face and focus. I got the impression reading that, as much as she loved her husband, the movement got skewed then because of the way the church was structured…men as the head. 2mo
KathyWheeler I‘m not sure that I‘ll be able to get to this. I‘m going to try but I might not make it. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @KathyWheeler It‘s not a problem, unfortunately not every book is available at all libraries, and lives can unexpectedly get in the way of our best laid plans. So don‘t stress about it if you can‘t get to this one. 2mo
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Reposting this and passing it along. Check out the original post at https://www.litsy.com/web/post/2111477 or under @LitsyHappenings to read the conversation or comment.

BethM How do I get to the post on the app? 2mo
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A Book of Spinning Wheels | Joan Whittaker Cummer
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#BookSpin list for November @TheAromaofBooks

TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!! 3mo
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Wrapping up October… I don‘t know where it went!

A bit of a book slump here, but I managed some comics and a junior book, and managed to stay môśtły caught up with môśt of my read-alongside.? (just pretend those are italicized). Anyway, on to another month!


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Just a reminder that we are starting Vanguard next #SheSaid so check out your local library or put in your interlibrary loans.

If anyone would like to join us, please feel free, and just let me know on the comments if you want tagged or removed from tagging.

ravenlee My library hold is in and I‘m picking it up tomorrow! 3mo
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MallenNC I just picked up my copy from the library. 3mo
vlwelser I've been looking forward to this one for a while. 3mo
staci.reads Got it from the library yesterday! 3mo
fredthemoose Just downloaded! Looking forward to it! 3mo
BarbaraTheBibliophage Borrowed with no waiting!! 3mo
megnews Just downloaded from the library! 3mo
BookBosomed1 Being delivered from the library tomorrow! 3mo
rockpools Hi Melissa. Can I be I untagged please? My nf reading has fallen through the floor the last few months, and my plans to join you all on a Sunday just aren‘t happening ☹️. I might try again in the new year - I enjoy seeing your discussions, and I‘m tagging pretty much Everything as you read… but I‘m just not getting through stuff right now. Thanks everso. 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @rockpools You are welcome, and no problem. We all go through these fluxes while reading. Read something light and fun for awhile and we‘ll see you later down the road when or if you are ready. 2mo
rockpools @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Thank you 😊. Your group is opening my eyes to lots of stuff I wouldn‘t have investigated otherwise, even if I‘m not actively taking part rn- so thank you! 2mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @rockpools You are very welcome, and you are more than welcome to rejoin anytime…or even for one book once in awhile, whatever suits you best. 2mo
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#SheSaid it‘s been another week and a whole month too!

How‘d you like the book overall? How about the last few essays? Any quotes that stood out to you? Anything you want to talk about, discuss, agree with, disagree with.

There was lots to think about in this book, and I appreciated that it made me think about many issue more thoughtfully, fully, interconnectedly (if that makes sense).

fredthemoose Thanks for organizing! I liked but didn‘t love the book. She includes a lot of fair criticisms in terms of thinking more broadly about what social issues feminism and feminists care about and which people they are serving. I thought her writing was strongest when it gave clear examples (e.g., mainstream feminist groups asking her to speak about reproductive rights after her hemorrhaging experience) and less so when the assertions were more general (edited) 3mo
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fredthemoose To me sometimes it seemed like she included all white women in her conceptualization of feminism (I think because all have benefited from feminism?) but I definitely know some white women who would be horrified to be called feminist, and I‘m not sure mainstream feminism should be asked to answer for the behavior of all white women without providing a more clear framework of who she includes in her critiques and why. (edited) 3mo
ravenlee I agree with @fredthemoose - I also liked but didn‘t love it. One criticism I have - I don‘t think it‘s possible as an activist of any stripe to address everything, and I feel like that was kind of the message here. Maybe it‘s just about broadening general awareness, but it was overwhelming. I can‘t blame feminists who specialize in one or two aspects of the cause (I get that one of Kendall‘s criticisms is the idea of focusing on white women) 👇🏻 3mo
tenar Overall I struggled with the way these essays were structured internally, but I think reading against some resistance helped me pull some good bits out of this book I may not have otherwise. I think I could have read it complacently, as I agreed with just about everything argued here.

I wish the essays would have included more of other women‘s stories when the author didn‘t have direct experience. More “notes from the women the movement forgot”
tenar From this last section, I was deeply impressed with the time she took in the essay on abortion rights to tackle the nuances of abortion, eugenics, and disability. Often the existence and rights of disabled adults - those disabled kids grown up - is not even acknowledged.

The quote from the end that I loved and thought summed up the whole collection was, “We must be careful not to come in as gentrifiers of the feminism that comes out of survival.”
ravenlee (at the expense of the rest, so that‘s still a problem) and we do need to understand how it all goes together, but I find it hard to extrapolate how to turn this awareness into action. This isn‘t a how-to, of course, and all the different issues that should fall under feminism are important and I appreciate the info, but I‘m kind of at a loss about how to go forward. 3mo
tenar @fredthemoose You‘ve articulated this well, I agree. Re: Trump voting, it‘s been shown one of the best predictors of voting for him was a belief in “hegemonic masculinity”. This held for all genders and sometimes predicted voting patterns better than party membership. Those beliefs are opposed to feminist beliefs. May be worth questioning whether it‘s productive to hold white feminists to task for the actions of white women who are against them. 3mo
tenar @ravenlee Sorry I posted my posts right in the middle of your posts! 😰 You‘ve explained something I was feeling last week- overwhelm at the breadth and the depth of the problems discussed. It must be hard to balance giving an sweeping overview with helping a reader feel energized and capable. 3mo
fredthemoose @ravenlee I totally agree about the overwhelm! I think it‘s fair to critique a movement and ask for it to think more broadly in terms of who it serves and how, but sometimes it seems that she would have rather feminism hadn‘t achieved anything for women than achieved incomplete and imperfect victories. That can‘t be the end, and maybe shouldn‘t even have been the beginning of the movement, but those victories are still valuable. 3mo
fredthemoose @tenar Thank you—and I totally agree about reading through resistance. I was glad to have been reading for this discussion because it made me interrogate where I felt it and why. Thanks for pulling out and sharing that quote! 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tenar I like that she tackled the disability issue head-on too. As much as she covered a lot, I also didn‘t feel like she left out important details like that either. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa This book made me think back to The Poor People‘s Campaign that Martin Luther King Jr started after the Civil Rights Campaign and how much all the issues of food, housing, education, are interrelated and still are unsolved all these years later. 3mo
ravenlee @tenar no worries! I didn‘t see anything until my second post showed, and then it was both yours and @fredthemoose ‘s second post - the vagaries of the internet! 3mo
ravenlee @tenar that essay about abortion and how it also needs to factor in services to support those fetuses when they become children and then adults - man, that is definitely the rest of what the “pro-life” movement needs to figure out. They‘re not pro-life, they‘re pro-birth. That essay was one of the best, in my opinion. 3mo
MallenNC What I liked about this book was that she was asking people to broaden their ideas of what issues should be considered feminist, and that they go beyond the workplace and reproductive rights. And that mainstream feminists should consider the whole of someone‘s life before criticizing. I think like any essay collection, some of the sections were stinger than others. I‘m glad I read it. 3mo
KathyWheeler I loved the essay on reproductive rights. It seems to me that she was at her best here; nothing was confusing or unclear. In most of the book though, I found “white feminism” to be this large, amorphous entity. It might have helped if she been more specific. And she also seemed to equate white feminism with all white women. I liked her call for feminism to think more broadly, but no movement can work on fixing all of society; it‘s overwhelming. (edited) 3mo
Singout Yes to what others have said about how important and engaging the piece on reproductive rights is. It‘s far more than just whether foetuses live or die: I thought the element about how the disability rights language can be manipulated in the interest of maintaining the status quo re abortion is very telling. 3mo
megnews What @fredthemoose & @ravenlee said. I had posted my rambling feelings about generalizations & calling people who aren‘t feminists feminists a couple weeks ago when I was struggling to push through as @tenar mentioned. (Marked as spoilers.) I also expected the book to have more POVs from the subtitle. She gave me something to think about re: intersectionality of feminism & poverty. I have never looked at it that way and considered myself an 👇🏻 3mo
megnews ☝🏻ally against poverty long before I would have considered calling myself a feminist. At times the message seemed off course. There was one late chapter that didn‘t mention feminism til the end and I felt more like I was reading an anti racism and/or education etc activist book than a feminist book. We can look at history & today & see the division in the movement but I‘m not sure this book clearly portrayed that throughout. Perhaps overly 👇🏻 3mo
megnews ☝🏻and needed more focus. 3mo
AnneCecilie The essay about abortion was my least favorite one. Maybe because the difference between US and Norway are so huge on this matter? Almost every abortion in Norway is done within the first 6 weeks so the ability or disability of the fetus doesn‘t matter, there are other reasons behind it. That doesn‘t mean that I don‘t agree with her on that disabled kids/ adults need help. My favorite essay where the ones about stereotypes, again maybe because 3mo
AnneCecilie they are more easily transferable? I thought this book should have a broader view on feminism but it felt very American. A lot of the issues she discusses won‘t be an issue everywhere, like quitting school because of gun violence. And there are also countries that have safety nets when it comes to poverty and housing. This book felt very from her perspective and her experiences. I didn‘t read the blurb, but I guess I was expecting something 3mo
AnneCecilie different. Sorry for my rambling thoughts. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AnneCecilie Nope, they made perfect sense to me, no rambling. It‘s hard sometimes when picking books, and we‘ve had a bunch focus on US history and issues lately. We‘ll have to see if we can broaden our scope when we pick the next group. 3mo
AnneCecilie @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Normally I have no problem with that. I think it was just the subtitle that made me expect something different. 3mo
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Such a weird, fun, odd, interesting, and quirky book! This book looks at classics, bestsellers, award winners and analyzes them using modern tech like word counts & algorithms. All those “rules of English” you learned in school, are they right? Do “good” books statistically have less cliches, exclamation points, or -Ly descriptors? What defines good? What is an author‘s favorite word? The answers are fascinating, and sometimes just plain weird.

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I finally finished this one @tjwill and it‘s already on its way back to you. Thank you for being so patient as I went through a bit of a book slump there, with physical books returning last. Another great year for #NForNonfiction @daniwithtea @BarbaraTheBibliophage 3mo
squirrelbrain Sounds fascinating - stacked. 3mo
tjwill @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I totally understand going through book slumps! It was a good #NforNonfiction year! (edited) 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @tjwill Yes it was, we always get a good mix of topics, and books I never knew I needed to read. 3mo
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Thank you for this adorable Halloween surprise card @TheSpineView it was an unexpected “treat” to find in my pile of mail. I hope the season is treating you well, with only good fun tricks & treats.

TheSpineView 🧡🎃🧡 3mo
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