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Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman
Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman | Jon Krakauer
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From the author of "Into the Wild" and "Into Thin Air" comes a stunning account of a young man's heroic life and death. Pat Tillman walked away from a multimillion-dollar NFL contract to join the Army and became an icon of post-9/11 patriotism. When he was killed in Afghanistan two years later, a legend was born. But the real Pat Tillman was much more remarkable, and considerably more complicated than the public knew.
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EmilieGR
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Mehso-so

Though Tillman‘s story is important and the ways in which ineptitude and ignorance played into his death was lamentable, this was just not a the well crafted book Krakauer is capable of. Too slow and way too much sports- talk.

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keithmalek
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Mehso-so

This is about how Pat Tillman was killed by "friendly fire," and the U.S. government's disgusting, cowardly attempt to cover it up. It's an important story. I only wish that I didn't have to get seventy-five percent of the way through the book before Krakauer finally got to Tillman's death.

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It is the harder because you will always find those who think they know what is your duty better than you know it. It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after your own; but the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude.

--From Ralph Waldo Emerson's essay, "Self-Reliance," which is quoted in this book

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keithmalek
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From Ralph Waldo Emerson's essay "Self-Reliance," which is quoted in this book.

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Under the Chernenko regime, the Soviets also increased the use of antipersonell mines. Bombers sprinkled the countryside with tens of thousands of miniature booby traps made to resemble brightly colored toys. Such mines were created specifically to attract very young Afghans; when the kids picked them up, they would explode, maiming and killing the children.

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marleed
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I have mad respect for Jon Krakauer‘s investigative perspective of complex events. This is his only book that sat unread on my shelves because I was never emotionally ready and thought I knew Pat Tillman‘s story. But really, there is way more to his life and this tragedy than I ever understood. The lies are infuriating and the military picked the wrong mom/family to lie to. This book is an important piece of American history.

ShelleyBooksie I've only read Into The Wild. Which would you day is his best book? 1y
marleed @ShelleyBooksie Oh they are all good even though some information you learn is so maddening. But I‘ll go with tagged because I read it the week it was published and it began what is now a longtime interest in monitoring summit climbers in April and May of each year. 1y
marleed Oh btw, the audio was available through my library so I downloaded so I alternated between the two as well as some stereo read/listen. Scott Brick‘s narration is very good. I‘ve listened to him narrate many a legal thriller so when the reading got emotionally tough, I tried to imagine Scott narrating fiction. 1y
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Texreader
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This book is one of the most difficult books I‘ve ever read. From the horrendous bungling (& subsequent lies to the public) in the Iraqi War to the intentional cover-up about Pat Tillman‘s death by friendly fire, it‘s almost impossible to have any faith left whatsoever in the US military. The myopic decision to go to war in Iraq mirrors the faulty & egotistical optimism of Russia‘s invasion of Ukraine so much you‘d think Putin followed US ⬇️

Texreader conduct in Iraq like a grotesque manuscript—let‘s send our young scared soldiers into a country we have no place being and make excuses for their tragic failures. All of this was at the cost of attention to the war in #Afghanistan, which is referred now in some quarters as the “war on the cheap.” Pat Tillman lost his life for all these reasons, and the military did its utmost best to keep it quiet. Not a book for the faint of heart.⬇️ (edited) 2y
Texreader Krakauer demonstrates again the utmost necessity of investigative journalism. He‘s one of our best and I‘m so grateful for his existence, tenacity, bravery (he spent months on the front lines in Afghanistan), and sheer audacity to take on the highest levels of our military. If you want to understand the recent history of foreign powers in Afghanistan, this will add immensely to your knowledge. It is dated because Osama Bin Laden hadn‘t been ⬇️ 2y
Texreader assassinated yet, but that is irrelevant to this narrative for the most part. Maybe not the best pick for #foodandlit but it does provide insight into this part of the world and its ongoing tragic existence. One last note: Tillman‘s mother‘s unending attempts to uncover the truth aren‘t just worthy of mention, but to be recognized as monumentally courageous as well. Here‘s to all the moms who‘ve lost loved ones in the fields of battle. 💙 (edited) 2y
Butterfinger Great review. 2y
Megabooks Excellent review! 2y
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Texreader
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Serious trigger warning: the descriptions of the attack by the Air Force on Army tanks and troops in the first days of the Iraqi War are brutal At least 17 died in the attack from friendly fire and some of their deaths are described in detail. The troops are identified. I can‘t imagine reading this about a family member but I know the author is trying to expose the poor deadly decision making taking place. #foodandlit #Afghanistan @Butterfinger

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Texreader
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The Ukrainians appear to follow Iraqi civilians‘ example in the Iraqi War. It‘s mind-boggling the mistakes the military made costing so many lives: belatedly consulting a gps & ending up in a massive firefight in the wrong place to taking tanks over ground that turned out to be a quicksand bog as a shortcut, to the US Air Force attacking US Army tanks & troops. All in the first days of the invasion.

#foodandlit #Afghanistan

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Texreader
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Holy smokes! These events in the early parts of the Iraqi war sound a lot like Russia‘s imagined response from the Ukrainians, and the disastrous result.

#foodandlit #Afghanistan @Butterfinger @Catsandbooks

mrsmarch 🔨 you hit the nail on the head 😔 2y
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Texreader
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Pat Tillman became a huge Ralph Waldo Emerson fan while serving in the army. I‘m a big believer in RWE‘s philosophy

#foodandlit #Afghanistan @Butterfinger @Catsandbooks

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Yikes!

The first military deaths were “friendly fire” because the soldier didn‘t understand how his GPS unit worked when he mistakenly ordered an air strike on his own men, killing 3 American soldiers. 🙁 The incident injured America‘s pick for the Afghan President Karzai as well. Not one of our finer moments as a country.

#foodandlit #Afghanistan @Butterfinger @Catsandbooks

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I‘m also excited to have picked my next ebook. This one is for next month‘s #foodandlit country, #Afghanistan. I know it‘s early but I have a bunch of books I want to read for Aghanistan so I thought it a good idea to start early. And Krakauer never disappoints. This also ticks off another #awesomeapril #readathon goal—to pick my next ebook.

Butterfinger I might just steal this idea. 2y
Andrew65 Hope you enjoy this book, your Afghanistan books and the Readathon. 😊👍 2y
PaperbackPirate Great book! 💙 2y
Texreader @PaperbackPirate @Andrew65 Jon Krakauer is the best nonfiction writer around. I‘m looking forward to this one. 2y
Texreader @Butterfinger I‘m really torn and having finished Beautiful Girl I feel compelled to read more about Cuba. But I don‘t have any more Cuba books in my library. So I‘ll save that for another day and move on to this tagged book. Jon Krakauer has never disappointed me so I‘m looking forward to this one. 2y
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Texreader
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Day 18: I‘m following the idea to post a book from my tbr list from @StaceyKondla and @Cortg

No description or reason for wanting to read it is necessary if you want to join along. #tbrpile

Reagan I love Jon Krakauer but have not read this one yet. 4y
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Texreader
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I love Jon Krakauer‘s nonfiction books. Thinking I‘m going to have to buy this one, on sale today.

Cinfhen Oh, thanks for the heads up!!! 4y
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Reagan
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During Pat Tillman‘s stint in the army he intermittently kept a diary.

#FirstLineFridays
@ShyBookOwl

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CuriousG
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Pickpick

Leave it to Krakauer - at the end of his books I always feel equal parts gutted & infuriated. I can't imagine what it's like to completely immerse himself in these events for the amount of time it takes to extensively research & write. I also love that people like Pat Tillman existed & I need reminders that there are people who can be as authentically themselves as he was. I know there are more that never get recognition b/c they were never famous

gobecauseyoucan Krakauer is a phenomenal researcher no doubt. I had started this book but haven‘t finished as of yet. 6y
CuriousG @gobecauseyoucan I agree - his research skills are incredible. And he can make things accessible to a wide audience. I usually would not even attempt a military based non fiction, just not my thing. However he weaves that part together with the story of Tillman's life (what I really found most interesting) so well I didn't ever lose interest. I'm going to try and get my husband to listen to it now...not a stretch b/c he loves military stuff! 6y
gobecauseyoucan Maybe thats the push I need to get back to it, the terminology was so over my head and I eventually bailed. I feel like I need to finish it out of respect for Tillman though! 🙂 6y
CuriousG @gobecauseyoucan I took well over a month to listen to the whole thing - I definitely had to be in the right mood for it. There are many things that probably went over my head, but I'm pretty good at just going with it and not getting stuck on those things. Having the sections about his life in between the heavy military stuff was really the saving grace for me 6y
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CuriousG
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Alternating between listening to this (almost done!) & reading about serial killers. To be honest, I'm not sure which is more depresssing. It is infuriating to listen to how the US government used Pat Tillman to further a BS agenda and the pain it caused his family. I know many people who have done military service and just the thought of them being used in such a way makes me feel sick 😠

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hwestfall
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An interesting read! I appreciated how Krakauer showed that Pat Tillman is more than he has been portrayed. He was a real man that was flawed and amazing at the same time.

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ptkpepe98

This is so difficult to listen to for a number of reasons. I recognize that world Peace may be my pipe dream, but knowing that friendly fire costs us lives is horrible. A colleague lost her son in Afghanistan to friendly fire, so the cover up is truly pissing me off. We're supposed to be better than that, aren't we?

I guess we are, because the truth has, once again, come out. So maybe there is hope. Thank you, Tillman family. My condolences.

Suet624 I agree with you. 6y
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Mindyrecycles
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Read_Abundantly
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Mehso-so

To clarify: this rating is based on the audiobook. I definitely think the book was well researched and informative. I learned a lot of things and was heartbroken for Tilman's family and all they went through. However, I found it hard to follow at times, but I think this is strictly because of the pace and narration of the audiobook. It's also a lot of terminology that's unfamiliar to me and was hard to keep track of. Still worth the read!

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Read_Abundantly
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My next audiobook! I'm looking forward to some Jon Krakauer, as I've never read any of his before but have heard great things! Any other recommendations of his or reads that are similar? Missoula is on my radar soon as well.

britt_brooke Under the Banner of Heaven, Into Thin Air (one of my all time favorite books), and Into the Wild. I haven't read Missoula yet but I plan to. This one was my least favorite of his, but still a decent read. I love his style. 8y
britt_brooke Three Cups of Deceit which is a rebuttal of sorts to Three Cups of Tea is pretty good, too. 8y
Read_Abundantly @britt_brooke Thanks for the recommendations! This one was the only immediately available audiobook, so that's why I started here, but I'll definitely add the others to my list and put some holds on them! 8y
britt_brooke Hope you enjoy! He's a great journalist! 8y
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ej0728
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Pickpick

Heartbreaking and uplifting all at the same time. Another beautifully crafted glimpse into the human psyche by Jon Krakauer. He's yet to disappoint.

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bermudaonion
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Pickpick

I thought I knew all there was to know about Pat Tillman but I was so wrong. This is another outstanding book by Krakauer and I loved Scott Brick's narration.

ramyasbookshelf I haven't read a single krakauer though I have heard so much about his books.. What would be a good starting point @bermudaonion ?? 8y
bermudaonion Ive thoroughly enjoyed all that I've read. They're all so different so you should choose the one that sounds the most interesting to you. @ramyasbookshelf 8y
ramyasbookshelf I think I have 'under the banner of heaven' on my bookshelf.. Maybe I should just start with that .. Have you read that one? @bermudaonion 8y
bermudaonion @ramyasbookshelf Yes, I have - it's fascinating. 8y
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