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GingerAntics
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Perhaps there is a better way to communicate my feelings about this book… I never physically read an Alexis Hall book until this year. I loved their writing, and had listened to multiple audiobooks of AH books. When I first started reading one of Hall‘s books, I noticed the grammar wasn‘t “correct.” If I had read my first AH book, I may have never read another. I may have never finished that first book.
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GingerAntics Is style, that is perfectly clear and understandable, with great story telling, somehow less than because it‘s not written within the same rules as an academic paper? Not even all academic papers follow the same rules, so how can we hold works of fiction to those same standards. If an author‘s writing becomes unclear, unintelligible to you, now you have a problem. Until then, it‘s a stylistic choice. 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 (edited) 4d
GingerAntics Hall writes the way people think. People talk the way they think. This shouldn‘t be “wrong.” It is only wrong by modern standards, as until modern times one could write as they chose as long as the point was clear. Maybe we need to return to that a little bit, especially when talking about literature. #CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #Grammar #AlexisHall #PushTheBoatOutHall (edited) 4d
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GingerAntics
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This was enlightening, and actually answered some questions a few former colleagues and I have had for close to a decade now about how these great thinkers and intellectuals of old seem to have no sense of grammar rules... BECAUSE THE RULES WE ARE HOLDING THEM TO DID NOT EXIST IN THEIR LIFE TIMES.
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GingerAntics People have tried shoehorning these writings into modern grammar rules, all to the detriment of those wishing to read these great thinkers and intellectuals in the present. Especially when one considers that these rules are not, in any way, uniform even at a given point in time. 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 4d
GingerAntics Policing language appears to be - from the beginning - just one more way to oppress the poor, minorities, and otherwise “other” of the English speaking world. It was supposedly an attempt to make language into a science which it never has been and never will be. It was not until recent decades that parents even wanted grammar taught in schools, and even that was more a case of “we suffered through it, so can you.” 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 4d
GingerAntics There is a time and place for “proper” grammar. Proper grammar allows what one has written to effectively communicate. If what you have written is unclear, that‘s a problem. If it‘s clear what you mean, nothing else should matter. In fact, it has, in our divisive times, because an accepted reason to completely disregard other points of view without ever addressing or even paying attention to those points of view. #CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #Grammar 4d
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GingerAntics
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We are turning grammar into gate keeping of language. We are punishing language learners, people who have not had the same education opportunities we have had, or someone using a different way of communicating with the same language. Remember, that in the 19th century, grammar police tried to correct the grammar of WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE! There is a time and a place, but neither of those is everywhere and all the time.
#CeceliaWatson #Semicolon

Sace I have to read this book. As a language teacher I am fascinated by grammar and linguistics (and the actual process of language acquisition…which is not through grammar drills). As a language learner I understand the angst of wanting to communicate but still making mistakes and being afraid I‘m being judged for them. 4d
GingerAntics @Sace she does touch on this a TINY bit toward the end (in that we shouldn‘t judge language learners for making mistakes), but she also addresses that not all languages have the semicolon which was certainly news to me. 4d
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GingerAntics
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This is an incredibly valid and important point!
#CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #language #politics #SWE #StandardEnglish #dialect

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GingerAntics
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Henry James may have had a point.
#CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #punctuation #dogma

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GingerAntics
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Apparently, this what German people believe about the semicolon. Meanwhile, apparently in Texas “golly” is the statewide punctuated clause of all sentences.
@julesG @Texreader thoughts?!
#CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #punctuation #whatishappeningaroundhere

julesG Nope. Never heard of this. 4d
julesG Searched online, can't find any proof to this claim. 4d
GingerAntics @julesG 🤷🏼‍♀️ maybe it‘s just what one person said and they made a claim a little bigger than reality 4d
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julesG Might fit the description, if you generalised it to: a semicolon is stronger than a comma, but weaker than a full stop. 4d
GingerAntics @julesG that was discussed at some length, as that was the original definition… of one of the 8 original semicolons. It was a trip. 4d
GingerAntics @julesG in all fairness, a California stop is a rolling stop… so basically not quite a full stop, but longer than a comma. 4d
julesG 😂😂 4d
julesG We have grammar rules for semicolons too. 4d
GingerAntics @julesG and apparently they are probably different from the like 10 different sets of rules available here… apparently not all languages use semicolons either. So, you know, lots of fun facts from this book. 3d
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GingerAntics
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If we hold fast to grammar and the idea that grammar rules have never changed and therefore original intent and meaning can be deduced through written text, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Maine become unconstitutional and cease to exist in modern America. Just think about that for a minute.
#CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #law #grammar #punctuation #WestVirginia #Kentucky #Maine #WTF

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GingerAntics
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DIAGRAMING SENTENCES IS BULL SH!T?! ARE. YOU. KIDDING. ME?!
#CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #SentenceDiagrams #LIES #ALLLIES #WTF

kspenmoll I love diagraming sentences! When we show our students they are fascinated! 4d
GingerAntics @kspenmoll which way of diagraming do you ascribe to? 4d
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GingerAntics
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As a general fan of the semicolon (I did not know this was a contentious topic), I‘m excited for this one.
#CeceliaWatson #Semicolon #audiobook

Lcsmcat I love the semicolon; people just need to learn to use them. 4d
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat see, that‘s where I start getting my ruffles up. We used to have a professor at the college where I worked in the writing centre who erroneously told her students they were not allowed to use semicolons because there was only one way to use them correctly and she hadn‘t told them that one way yet. 🙄 Categorically wrong… and then to find out it‘s all wrong anyway!!! This book is blowing my mind! 4d
Lcsmcat As you can see by my rating, I‘ve read the book. And while I do love semicolons, the remark, with the semicolon dividing the two sentences, was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. 4d
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GingerAntics @Lcsmcat 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣😂🤣 oh my god, I totally missed that. 🧡🧡🧡 That was utter perfection. Seeing that, when done properly, perhaps it‘s better your punctuation should become seamless and nearly invisible so as to not detract from your point… I think you nailed it!!! 🤣😂🤣 4d
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat also, potentially figured out where the aforementioned professor got the insane notion that there was only one correct way to use a semicolon; apparently, the California state legislature at one time passed an edict to this effect. 🤦🏼‍♀️ 4d
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics Wow. When given free rein, is there nothing state legislatures won‘t try to control? 4d
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat apparently not… it also goes further in that multiple people have been executed AGAINST THE RULING OF THE JURY due to punctuation by someone transcribing. So, yeah. We talk about commas saving lives, but sometimes they kill too. 4d
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