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Three Day Road (Revised) | Joseph Boyden

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Thoughts on the book? Thoughts on the themes? Thoughts on the author? Just thoughts in general?

Will you read more by this author?

Sorry for such a quick little post for the discussion at the end but I'm battling the flu and a cold right now and this is about as much thought as my head can put into anything right now 😆!

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Jess861 @lauraisntwilder @KathyWheeler @Ruthiella @CarolynM @LapReader @kwmg40 @Readergrrl @JenlovesJT47 @Tamra @PurpleyPumpkin @Kitta @DogMomIrene @Blueberry @BiblioLitten @JuniperWilde @Teresereading @mcctrish @willaful @Singout 2w

mcctrish I am so glad you kicked my butt to finally read this - I will totally read more JB. It should be required reading imo. The glimpse into what life was like for indigenous people, women especially, and the trauma of war 2w

Jess861 @mcctrish This turned into The Bird Family trilogy if you liked it. Through Black Spruce is the second book in the trilogy. 2w

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Ruthiella I‘m glad to finally read Boyden. I don‘t think I will continue with the trilogy, however. There‘s something about the writing style that doesn‘t grab me. But I appreciate this portrayal of the indigenous Canadian experience of WWI. Hope you feel better soon! ❤️ (edited) 2w

Jess861 @Ruthiella Sometimes writing styles are just hard to get into! Glad you didn't mind the book! Thanks so much...I look forward to not feeling like a bag of bricks has hit my head 😆 2w

lauraisntwilder I hope you're on the mend soon! This was a good one. 2w

Jess861 @lauraisntwilder Thanks so much! It's what happens with young kids - always sick, lol 2w

Blueberry I'm still reading. I realized I had already read the third on the series. Now I'll have to read the second. I do like his writing. 2w

Jess861 @Blueberry Glad you're enjoying it! It is definitely a solid book to get through even though it's not a huge page count (I found so anyways) 2w

kwmg40 I hope you are recovering. I started this book but got bogged down in the trench scenes and decided to put it aside for a while. I'll probably get back to it eventually. I've not read Boyden's other books but I've seen the movie adaptation of Through Black Spruce. I thought it was good, though it had gotten mixed reviews. 2w

Jess861 @kwmg40 Totally get it - I think that's what I meant about a solid book up above. Sometimes it's good to put a read aside for a bit! 2w

PurpleyPumpkin Hope you're on the mend @Jess861! I just finished this audiobook today and thoroughly enjoyed it. Excellent writing and the war scenes sometimes had me on the edge of my seat. I like JB but sometimes have a hard time getting started with his books. So, this was a welcome pick for me. Thanks for hosting! 1w

Jess861 @PurpleyPumpkin Glad you enjoyed it and were able to get through the book! Sometimes books work better on audio. 1w

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Short History of Byzantium | John Julius Norwich

This one might be a little tough. How did Islam influence Christianity during this time period? #islam #christianity #discussion #ashorthistoryofbyzantium #catholicchurch #byzantium #byzantineempire #johnjuliusnorwich #popeleo #iconoclasm

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The Yellow Face | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheYellowFace
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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Cuilin I did laugh at the fact that Sherlock has no vices. He just does cocaine every now and then. Lol 1y

IndoorDame @Cuilin totally! 🤣 1y

CatLass007 @Cuilin @IndoorDame Coca-Cola used to contain cocaine. My maternal grandfather was an EENT who used cocaine as a pain medication when performing nasal surgery. So Watson‘s description of Holmes having no vices except for cocaine actually tracks with the times. 1y

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Librarybelle This is probably my least favorite of the stories thus far. I was hoping, like Holmes, that it was Effie‘s first husband back to haunt her or seek revenge or something. The “twist” is abominable. It does make me think there was a political agenda to this. Ugh…on to the next story! 1y

IndoorDame @Librarybelle it seems like there‘s a political bent to a lot of his stories. Is that bad? Contemporary writers often use their voices and platforms to make people think. It definitely alienates certain readers, but it makes others feel seen and heard, and makes yet more question their current opinions. 1y

Librarybelle @IndoorDame I agree…I think it‘s safe to say that stories tend to have a political slant to them. I‘m not saying that is bad. I personally was not a fan of the twist to this, hence my comment to move on to the next. I really should not comment on these posts without fully thinking through my responses. 😂 1y

IndoorDame @Librarybelle no, these chats are great! They make me think about the stories from other angles. Like you just got me to go look up marriage laws in Britain and the UK which never would‘ve occurred to me. I wasn‘t even thinking legally when I was thinking about Effie‘s character. 1y

Librarybelle @IndoorDame You always learn something new with the discussions! One of the many reasons why Litsy is so great! 1y

dabbe Another angle I found interesting was like a road map as to how to have a good marriage: you must COMMUNICATE no matter how difficult. Easier to say in 2024, but, man, it reminded me (in a roundabout way) of ROMEO AND JULIET and how no one would have died if they just would have trusted, loved, and spoken honestly to one another. 1y

CogsOfEncouragement It seemed like a story to teach a lesson this time - love and respect across races - rather than a clever mystery. It seems I like Sherlock more than others who comment here. His statement at the end does not surprise me. He is decisive & confident because he is usually correct, but he has shown care for people many times. He makes no excuses for his error, just admits it. Even tells Watson to remind him. He is not unreasonable in pride or ego. 1y

CogsOfEncouragement @Cuilin I laughed too! 1y

kelli7990 I enjoyed this story. 1y

dabbe @kelli7990 🤩🤩🤩 1y

Aimeesue @dabbe Yes! So many times, if people had just talked to each other, there would have been zero drama! 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue But then I guess we wouldn't have a story to read. 😂🤗😀 1y

Aimeesue @dabbe 😂😂😂 1y

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dabbe

The Yellow Face | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheYellowFace
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

Cuilin Yeah, when we got to the conclusion of the story, I was disappointed in Effie. She seriously just abandoned her child. I‘m trying to be kind given the time period. However, her husband was the better human. 1y

IndoorDame She really was portrayed abominably! We get hints early on that the husband was progressive when he described wanting her to stay in control of her own finances, so his conclusion tracks for me. But for her to abandon social conventions for love with her first husband and then get so frightened later that she resorted to making her daughter wear a mask 🙄😡 is confusing… 1y

CatLass007 Effie‘s lies made the situation with her husband worse. I wonder if she was ashamed of her child being even darker than her first husband? I definitely think her husband was the better human being. Maybe some of that was a sense of relief, but his immediate acceptance of the child showed his kindness and humanity. 1y

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Librarybelle I cannot say that Effie is the strongest. She echoes the prejudice of the time with her feelings toward her daughter‘s skin color and feeling the need to cover up her daughter. 1y

Read4life She abandoned her child and then had her cover up her skin. Could it be that she feared what would happen to her child if the truth was found out about her? I just don‘t know. She definitely underestimated her own husband. 1y

dabbe I believe Britain was a tad more understanding than America with mixed racial marriages--a tad. Maybe that's also why Munro only waited TWO minutes before accepting the child, and in the American version he waited TEN. It is a hard pill to also swallow re: Effie leaving her child in America where prejudice was worse. I know she had yellow fever, but ... 1y

Aimeesue I wonder if it would have been worse for both of them if Effie had stayed in Atlanta? Georgia is still pretty racially divided in places. Though why it would have been better to leave the child with a (presumably white) Scottish nurse is beyond me. Maybe the class difference? 1y

Aimeesue Effie could have left money for the nurse and the child before she left the US, right? She clearly had control of it before handing it over to Munroe. 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Absolutely true and an excellent point. 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue I'm not a mother, but it's rather difficult to picture a mother leaving her child (who has yellow fever and could die like the husband) and just go on to England--regardless of the consequences in America. 1y

Aimeesue @dabbe Maybe. But white mom + black child (or vice versa) has repercussions even today. Effie doesn‘t much go into it. We‘re missing a lot of the backstory: could she have stayed in the US? She was a Brit. I have no idea, but as a mom, there would have had to have been something sending me back to the UK. Feels like maybe we‘re missing something. 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Well, there's the question. Why leave so much hanging that we can't figure out? What then was Doyle's overall purpose? To entertain us with this story? Of all the ones we've read, this one is (to me) NOT entertaining. What's the point, then? 1y

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dabbe

The Yellow Face | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheYellowFace
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

Cuilin Holmes really is a bystander and I think it begs the question as to what Conan Doyle‘s intention was with this story. 1y

CatLass007 @Cuilin I was wondering why Conan Doyle wrote this story. So many of his own prejudices shine through in Holmes. For example, his antipathy towards Mormons. Why did Holmes appear to think that her first husband was still alive and stalking Effie? And when he removed the girl‘s mask, why did he laugh? Because he had made false assumptions? I would think the common reaction of the times would have been shock and anger. 1y

Librarybelle Not only was Holmes a bystander, but his initial solution was wrong. Watson points out that Holmes was not always correct - did the public want an example of this? To me, this seems like a story very politically loaded. 1y

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Cuilin @CatLass007 interesting. I did see the laugh as something more positive. He understood Munro‘s personality and would accept Effie‘s daughter. A case of “all is well, that ends well”. 1y

IndoorDame I think the “why” here has a lot of depth. Holmes plays a cheerleader/psychiatrist, something he‘s notoriously bad at & uninterested in. His assumptions are totally wrong, mainly because he always disregards women & this case is all about actions taken by women. But in the end a woman is the villain of the story. Doyle shines a spotlight on race relations & interracial relationships, but doesn‘t really offer any clear answers except it‘s messy. 1y

dabbe Perhaps Doyle wants to send a message of acceptance as shown through Munro's actions towards Effie's daughter. And perhaps Watson wants to show his readers that Holmes is a flawed character and makes mistakes. Even Holmes chastises himself--“Watson, ... if it should ever strike you that I am getting a little over-confident in my powers ... kindly whisper ‘Norbury‘ in my ear, and I shall be infinitely obliged to you“--showing that he has a heart. 1y

Aimeesue I think Holmes suspected the husband because that‘s the logical first suspect. No one ever suspects a CHILD - it‘s always the Ex. Still true today, because statistically, that‘s the simplest and most likely answer. Like the warning to doctors about diagnoses, “When you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras.” The most likely answer is usually the answer. 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Good point. But why not suspect the mother? Women usually are the first to be suspect in any situation. #patriarchysucks 1y

Aimeesue @dabbe Whose mother? Effie‘s not a suspect in Holmes‘ mind because she‘s the target. Who has motive to blackmail her? Because blackmail‘s what it looks like from Holmes‘ POV 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Is she the target? Her husband speaks about her as if she is the guilty one--skulking about at night, not answering his questions, etc. The husband judges her far more harshly than Holmes--who doesn't judge her at all. 1y

Aimeesue @dabbe At the start, Holmes sees Effie‘s actions as a result of someone threatening/blackmailing her, so he suspects the 1st husband of pressuring her, and E. acquiescing to his demands, which is why he looks on her sympathetically, right? Munroe judges her from a self-centered POV -she‘s keeping secrets from ME, not Gosh, this is odd, you OK, Effie? Holmes is looking at a wider view, and accepts Munroe‘s belief that E is still in love with him (edited) 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Agree 💯. 1y

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dabbe

The Yellow Face | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheYellowFace
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

CatLass007 I was thinking that a story about an interracial marriage that produced a child would have cost Conan Doyle more than a few readers. Such a story might very well have had that same effect on readers today. Humans really haven‘t made much progress when it comes to hating people who are different. I also thought that Effie‘s own prejudice showed when she said that it was unfortunate that her daughter had even darker skin than her late husband. 1y

Librarybelle I was actually shocked by this story…I suppose it could be considered progressive, but at least in the US, it was illegal to have an interracial relationship at the time. I don‘t know a lot about Conan Doyle personally - was he a supporter of equality? I feel like I need a history lesson to better understand UK attitudes toward this; US readers would not have been pleased. 1y

IndoorDame @Librarybelle she was in the US for her first marriage in this story 1y

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Librarybelle @IndoorDame I know…that would at least conflict with the law in the US at this time. For Conan Doyle to present this makes me want to dive more into the UK thoughts at this time. Sorry I was not more clear! 1y

Read4life I remember reading this when I was VERY young and not understanding the big deal. In later years, as I became more aware of what this story was referring to, I was angry it needed to be written and happy Doyle put Sherlock in this scenario. Today, as a woman in an interracial marriage with children, I‘m saddened that we haven‘t come very far as humans. 1y

dabbe @Librarybelle I wonder if Doyle knew this when he wrote it or if it was another of his mistakes (like the errors he wrote about the Mormons). Maybe he didn't know it was illegal since he didn't have Effie address that challenge on top of the marriage itself to a black man. 1y

Librarybelle @dabbe Maybe??? That is a good point too about his errors regarding the Mormons. 1y

Aimeesue Story was published in 1892, right when the US had just extended the Chinese Exclusion Act, which banned Chinese laborers from immigrating to the US. All the racist “Yellow Peril” nonsense probably drove that decision. 1y

Aimeesue @dabbe I read Effie‘s explanation that her daughter was darker than her husband as maybe indicating that he was able to pass as white, at least at times? There are a lot of stories about people who passed and marrying white spouses being afraid of having children for exactly that reason. 1y

Aimeesue “She touched a spring, and the front hinged back. There was a portrait within of a man strikingly handsome and intelligent-looking, but bearing unmistakable signs upon his features of his African descent." That says that he was a light skinned Black man, no? 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Agree 💯. 1y

Bookwomble @Librarybelle @Aimeesue You might find this book interesting, as it collects accounts of the experiences of Black people in pre-20th century Britain 🙂

Black Voices on Britain

Librarybelle @Bookwomble Thank you! I‘ll have to check it out! 1y

Aimeesue @Bookwomble Thanks for the rec! Looks really interesting, though probably full of horrible experiences. 1y

Bookwomble @Aimeesue Not too full of horrible experiences as this was mainly before the advancement of race theory, and ordinary British people generally saw that they had more in common with Black people escaping from oppression than they had with the British aristocrats that they were themselves oppressed by. Obviously, times and attitudes were still very different. The editor, Hakim Adi, is a prof of Black British history, so he knows his stuff. 1y

Aimeesue @Bookwomble Oh, good! 1y

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Copper Beeches | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheCopperBeeches
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

Librarybelle Other than the ending with the dog, I liked it. I think this shows that Holmes is not the only one who can solve a situation - Mrs. Toller and the suitor working together. 1y

IndoorDame @Librarybelle i agree about the dog, those scenes are always so hard to read! But in general I really liked this one. My major complaint is actually how painfully naive Miss Hunter was 1y

Librarybelle @IndoorDame She was so naive! 1y

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Aimeesue This is one of my favorites, illustrating, as it does, the changing roles and relationships of both women and animals in society. (edited) 1y

CogsOfEncouragement At the end, Watson comments that Sherlock had no further interest in Miss Hunter after the mystery was solved. Then he immediately updates the reader that she has a wonderful job. I think we are meant to read between the lines that Sherlock set her up in that position and didn't brag about doing it. Watson doesn't know how much Sherlock did indeed care about what happened to Miss Hunter. How else does she go from no prospects to an excellent job? 1y

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement Excellent point. I kinda got the feeling that Watson also hoped she and Sherlock would get together, but since Irene Adler is forever known as THE woman in SH's life, that was never a possibility. 1y

dabbe After reading this, I can't stop thinking about the horrid son of Rucastle, who enjoys “giving pain to any creature weaker than himself [for his] amusement, and he shows quite remarkable talent in planning the capture of mice, little birds, and insects.“ Is it me, or is this kid a serial killer in the making? Yikes. 😱 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue I also enjoyed the fast-paced action, though not the animal abuse. 1y

dabbe @IndoorDame “Painfully“ naive is spot-on! 1y

kelli7990 I liked this story. 1y

CrystalE02 It was okay. Not my favorite, I was okay with it until the dog part. I can't handle that. She was so naive it was annoying. 1y

dabbe @kelli7990 It was one of the more fast-paced ones, wasn't it? 1y

dabbe @CrystalE02 And the next story is about a horse named “Silver Blaze.“ I don't remember it very well, but based on how animals have been treated so far, we should, as Scar would say, #beprepared. 🐾 1y

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Copper Beeches | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheCopperBeeches
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

Librarybelle Maybe in some ways, but would Rucastle have had his conclusion??? 1y

dabbe @Librarybelle That's pretty much the only thing I could think of that'd be different. The daughter would have been saved no matter what, so the dog enacting his revenge (like the snake in THE SPECKLED BAND) on his owner wouldn't have happened without SH, and there (perhaps) is the justice Rucastle deserves. 1y

Librarybelle Agreed, @dabbe ! 1y

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IndoorDame I also think the resolution would‘ve been basically identical, which I find so interesting as a formula to include in SH (for both Doyle and Watson). He solves the mystery, and reassures the client, but wasn‘t needed to help avert any actual danger, and decided that punishment was not necessary. So it‘s ALL about the mystery. 1y

Aimeesue True, except for Violet Hunter. She‘d still be stuck with the horrible Rucastles, because THEY clearly want nothing to do with the child. They probably would‘ve scammed her out of what they promised to pay her, too. 1y

CogsOfEncouragement If Holmes wasn't there the night that the daughter escaped, maybe the escape would have gone undetected for a bit? I'm not sure if Mr. Rucastle would have checked on his prisoner if he hadn't noticed that door was open. Then he would not have been attacked by the dog, and would have had his health. Even less consequence for Mr Rucastle. 1y

dabbe @IndoorDame Agree 💯. For SH, it's ALL about the puzzle of the case. Everything else takes a back seat to that. 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Excellent point. I wonder what they would have done with Violet after knowing the daughter escaped, or if Violet would have figured it out and escaped somehow. She might have become their prisoner, too, since she already knew too much (the room she wasn't supposed to go in, the hair ...)--plus, he threatened to kill her with the dog! 😱 1y

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement Right. The only penalty would have been the loss of the $ from the daughter. Not much of a consequence for imprisoning her! 1y

CrystalE02 I think it would have been the same. 1y

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Copper Beeches | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheCopperBeeches
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

Librarybelle Legally, no. I think this is where we‘ve discussed in the past about Holmes‘ thoughts on Justice. Rucastle does pay a pretty big price - for me, animal neglect is reprehensible, and this whole scene had me feel awful for the dog. 1y

IndoorDame At the start of this one Holmes says “Crime is common. Logic is rare.” I‘m starting to think he couldn‘t care less what happens to any of the players after he‘s solved the puzzle to his satisfaction and explained it to everyone. If the police had been involved from the beginning in this one the Rucastle‘s might be in jail, but since they weren‘t Holmes didn‘t care enough to call them in, and no one else contradicted him. 1y

dabbe @Librarybelle Oh, I felt for the dog, too. I think I was vicious enough to want the dog to kill Rucastle for the horrendous abuse. One of the more gruesome SH scenes. 😱 1y

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dabbe @IndoorDame I guess, too, that the fact that the daughter got away and is happy, the idea of “all's well that ends well“ comes into play. The Rucastles have to live with each other and are irretrievably broken. Perhaps that's enough. 1y

Aimeesue "Justice" was very different at that time, yes? And there were plenty of men locking up their female relations in asylums to retain control of their $$$, so imprisoning women "for their own safety" was an accepted thing. Plenty of people still doing it today, right, Britney Spears? I was maybe a little too pleased that the Rucastles were doomed to suffer out the rest of their lives together, along with their bratty child. (edited) 1y

dabbe @Aimeesue Me, too! I wrote on another post that I think the kid is a serial killer in the making! They most definitely deserve each other! 1y

CrystalE02 Not one of my favorite stories. Maybe it was the time period, but I felt like the story was kind of creepy and weird. 1y

dabbe @CrystalE02 It could almost have come across as a silent movie from the 1910s. 1y

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dabbe

Adventure of the Noble Bachelor: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheNobleBachelor
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

erzascarletbookgasm, CogsOfEncouragement, AnneCecilie, Aimeesue, Larkken, Librarybelle, mom2bugnbee, Read4life, StayCurious, Sace, CatLass007, Mollyanna, curiouserandcurioser, eeclayton, dabbe, IndoorDame, kelli7990, TheAromaofBooks, 5feet.of.fury, Tineke, Blackink_WhitePaper, Pageturner1, PageShifter, AllDebooks, AnnR, kimrenee, aroyse, CrystalE02

IndoorDame I think this is the first time Sherlock and I agree that no crime was committed and everyone should run along home 😂 2y

Librarybelle True, @IndoorDame ! 2y

dabbe @IndoorDame Unless you want to charge Hatty Doran with bigamy! 😀 2y

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IndoorDame @dabbe oooh, we totally could! But it seems petty since she didn‘t steal money from either husband (and running off with your own fortune is the sort of thing that calls for recriminations against marrying someone just for the money) 2y

dabbe @IndoorDame Agree 💯. Hatty and Frank deserve each other. 😂 2y

dabbe A couple of things I found to be a hoot in this one:
•When Lestrade is so proud of the clue he found, Holmes looks at it, and Lestrade SHRIEKS, “You're looking at the wrong side!“
•When Simon dares to say to Holmes that the cases he's solved so far were from the lower classes, Sherlock replies that he is “descending“ in Simon's case and that his last client “of the sort was a king.“ 2y

kelli7990 I liked this story. 2y

CogsOfEncouragement @dabbe Yes, Wrong side!?! - so funny. And when Simon is quite struck that he is not the highest client Holmes has aided. (HOW embarrassing lol)

I also thought is was silly for Simon to come for help from Holmes but then say “I am afraid it will take wiser heads than yours or mine“ and then amusing when Holmes says it was an honor of Simon to put his head on the level with Simon's.

@Librarybelle @IndoorDame 2y

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement I forgot about that last one, too! 😂 2y

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