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Shakespeare for Every Day of the Year | Allie Esiri

I REALLY didn‘t like Falstaff, so I‘m always thrown a bit when people rave about him. He just comes off as so bloody childish. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Maybe I‘m taking him - or life - too seriously, but I just don‘t like him at all.
#Shakespeare #AllieEsiri #ShakespeareForEveryDayOfTheYear @Faibka #falstaff #unpopularopinion #merrywivesofwindsor #henryivpart1 #henryIVpart2

Faibka Another one I haven‘t read 🤦🏻‍♀️ this book is really poking me to get on with reading the plays I‘m still missing! I‘m loving the historical tid bits! 3y

GingerAntics @Faibka I am adoring those parts, yes!!! 💙💙💙 3y

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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

Not sure who the little boy is supposed to be (he looks rather young to be a squire, but it may be for effect), but this is really cute.
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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

Hopefully everyone has made it through to the end of this play. It‘s been suggested that this play was actually a collaboration between Shakespeare and one of his playwright friends. I, for one, can believe that. Anyone else?
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Lcsmcat I want to believe that. 😉 5y

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GingerAntics @Lcsmcat it seems legit to me. Either that or Shakes got bored there for a while. (edited) 5y

Graywacke I‘m thinking all his plays were a collaboration of some kind. But sometimes feels unpolished here, like parts were missing and filled in. 5y

GingerAntics @Graywacke there are some plays (most maybe?) that seem to be written by just one person, whoever you believe that to be. Of course there is always the debate of who Shakespeare really was. This one seems to be almost obviously written by more than one person. The writing is so different between the first play/acts IV and V of the second and the first three acts of the second. I‘d be interested to see a scholar that says all of his plays were. 5y

DGRachel That makes a lot of sense, considering the first three acts of Part II. 5y

GingerAntics @DGRachel right? They‘re just so different than the rest of the story line. 5y

GingerAntics @Lcsmcat @Graywacke @DGRachel just looked at the chronology of Shakespeare‘s works in the back of my edition of the next play on a whim. It denotes the plays he‘s thought to have collaborated on, including some his name is not on now (other playwrights are given sole credit now), but this play is not one of them. I got that this was a possible collaboration from Dan Jones‘s book. I‘ll have to go check his sources now. 5y

Graywacke @GingerAntics I‘ve begun to view these as the movies of their time. I‘m probably pushing the analogy, but I think it took a lot of contributions to make this stuff happen. Sure, the bard may have completely written some of these scripts, and had help with others. But someone had to say, “ok, lets do it.” Here I suspect he wasn‘t ready at that time. The two author idea makes sense to me of someone took his unfinished script and finished it. ?? 5y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke @GingerAntics When I think about Bach, who had to produce new music every Sunday for his job, I can see how Will S. might have had to churn out a play now and then that wasn‘t up to his usual standard just to keep body and soul together. Bach recycled his own tunes. Will S. recycled Falstaff, because hey, it worked the first time. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 5y

GingerAntics @Lcsmcat 🤣😂🤣 “Falstaff worked the first time.” 🤣😂🤣 fair point... it‘s interesting how Dan Jones said this was a possible collaboration, but the Royal Shakespeare Company‘s scholars don‘t. 5y

GingerAntics @Graywacke I can see the movie analogy. I doubt Shakes did costuming or set design. I‘m sure he had requests or gave his two cents, but I doubt he actually did any of it himself. 5y

batsy It's interesting, and I can definitely buy that theory! Or entirely possible that even Shakespeare had an off week or month or however long it took to write this 😂 5y

GingerAntics @batsy it seems both options are probably equally plausible. Maybe he had writer‘s block and a friend tried to help him out...or he just decided to write through a block. 🤷🏼‍♀️ The mind boggles at what happened here. 5y

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The Wars of the Roses: The Fall of the Plantagenets and the Rise of the Tudors | Dan Jones

Love when what I‘m reading links up!!! This isn‘t from the tagged book, but actually from the history channel (better known as “history” now 🤷🏼‍♀️). Interesting little tidbit.
#DanJones #TheWarsoftheRoses #history #britishhistory #medievalhistory #shakespearereadalong #Shakespeare #henryIVpart2 #HenryIV #shakespeareskings #historychannel
https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-should-know-about-the-wars-of-the-rose...

readinginthedark, merelybookish

TheBookHippie How cool is that?!?!?! 5y

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Graywacke Fun trivia. ! 5y

GingerAntics @Graywacke @TheBookHippie not to mention it‘s just faster to says “Cousins‘ War.” Good thing I started reading the Dan Jones book. 5y

Gezemice Alison Weir mentions this, too. Henry VII adopted the red rose as a Lancaster symbol. 5y

GingerAntics @Gezemice this is an interesting little tidbit 5y

GingerAntics @Gezemice oddly, Jones hasn't mentioned this as of yet. Perhaps he will yet. I'm only about half way through this one. 5y

TheBookHippie What is our next read???? 5y

GingerAntics @thebookhippie I think that decision will be made in the next few days. I‘m going to go out in a limb and say there will almost 100% be a week between plays at this point. I think it‘s down to two plays, but I don‘t want to get anyone confused. I think @merelybookish is leading this time, but don‘t quote me on that. Maybe that‘s the time after this and it‘s @readinginthedark this time. I‘m sure they‘ll jump into this shortly and clear things up. 5y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 🤣🤣🤣 no worries I keep buying the same edition of the plays we read was going to order!!! Hahaha. 5y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I‘m going to have to buy my copy come Monday when I get paid for the month. I think it‘s a debate between finishing off the few comedies we have left or reading another tragedy because we all seem to like those better. I think. 🤣 5y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics right???!?! How funny!!! 5y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I totally lied. We have a ton of comedies left, but some of the plays listed as comedies I honestly thought were tragedies, so maybe we‘ve just read weird ones so far. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 5y

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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

Happy Easter/Spring Shakes Lovers!!!
So many great drawings and photos of this scene. I think this is my favorite scene of the entire play. I‘m not a huge fan of Henry IV, but Hal is lovable in a naughty-boy-comes-to-his-senses kind of way. I just hope his play is better than part 2 of his father‘s.
#shakespearereadalong #Shakespeare #henryIVpart2 #HenryIV #shakespeareskings #hal #HenryV

readinginthedark, merelybookish

Lcsmcat The “deathbed” scene was touching, but I don‘t buy that he‘s really changed. It was too sudden and too convenient. 5y

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GingerAntics @Lcsmcat really? I felt like he was beginning to distance himself from Falstaff throughout the play. He spent very little time with him and a lot more on “official duties.” 5y

Graywacke Has Hal changed? He had some presence in part I, when the time called for it and a spiel about playing the roles. I liked Act iv a lot. Some terrific language. Has me thinking about play construction. (Does this work without some humor in acts ii-iii? Or do acts ii-iii spoil act iv?) 5y

Graywacke @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat Hal was maybe wavering regarding Falstaff...?? 5y

GingerAntics @Graywacke I feel like acts I-III don‘t match with IV and V. It‘s like the entire feel of the play shifts. The language in this act was great. Maybe my opinion is clouded by historical fact, but I think he has. Then again, if we go by historical fact, he never was a party animal as portrayed in P1. I‘m interested to see what Hal‘s own play looks like. Hopefully it‘s more entertaining than Acts I-III is this one. 5y

GingerAntics @Graywacke @Lcsmcat I think that gets laid to rest in Act V. 5y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke I liked act IV better too. There were some great speeches. And maybe it‘s the same problem with the writing that made the first three acts so slow, but I never bought Hal as a real person. (As strange as that sounds, since he was a real person.) 5y

Lcsmcat @GingerAntics I‘ve finished it, so we‘ll just have to agree to disagree. 5y

GingerAntics @Lcsmcat so have I. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 5y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @GingerAntics I can‘t say I like Hal exactly, but I have found him complex and, when the time called for it, capable. I have a grudging respect. So I guess I found him real enough to suspend disbelief. 5y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @GingerAntics I‘m not done. Was going to save act v for Sunday. Am I the only one? 5y

GingerAntics @Graywacke I was over the play, since the first three acts were so painful, so I just wanted to get through it. Then Act IV was so much better than the rest of the play and Act V followed suit, so in the end I wanted to know how it all ended. Of the other person I know who finished it already, it was a similar motivation. 5y

TheBookHippie @Graywacke nope -Me!! I saved it. I finally am getting through it without trouble 🤣🤣 or I just enjoyed this parts flow of language !!! 1-3 was rough 🤷🏽‍♀️😭🤪. I‘m glad I stuck with it!!! 5y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I agree. The first 3 acts were not pleasant, but Act IV was worth it. 5y

Graywacke @TheBookHippie oh, good. And same here. 5y

batsy @GingerAntics Yes, it felt the same for me in terms of an abrupt change. Act IV felt like such a shift from the previous three acts and the language here is superb. I'm glad to hear that Act V is more of the same. 5y

GingerAntics @batsy it definitely picks up and seems more like a Shakes play in the last two acts. No idea what was up in the first 3 acts. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 5y

Gezemice @batsy @GingerAntics I have been skipping this, however I watched a combined version of the two plays when we were reading Henry IV. It was mostly part 1, The deathbed scene and the last act of part 2 were included. I must say it made a lot of sense as it sounds like they combine the best parts of the two, and there is an ending which distinctly lacked in part 1. 5y

GingerAntics @Gezemice it almost makes more sense to me to just get rid of acts I-III of Part 2 and tack IV-V to the end of Part 1. 5y

Gezemice @GingerAntics This clearly is not as well loved as part 1 - my library has no copy of it which is why I have not read it - did not feel like tracking it down. 5y

GingerAntics @Gezemice if you do ebooks you can get one for free. The last two acts are the only ones really important for segueing into Henry V. I also have an overview like the one I had for part 1 5y

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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

so-so

A bit disappointed by Part 2. This play just wasn‘t as good as Part 1. It seemed to be mostly Falstaff acting like an idiot. I didn‘t like Falstaff in Part 1, so Falstaff in Part 2 was just painful. That made the ending much more satisfying when Hal rejected him. It was about time someone put Falstaff in his place. Hal really came into his own in this one. I think he‘s my favorite character of this play. 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻

GingerAntics I even appreciate him in Part 1 in a different way than I did before reading this one. #shakespearereadalong #Shakespeare #henryIVpart2 #HenryIV #shakespeareskings #hal #HenryV 5y

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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

In the BBC radio production of this play, Davy is played by a Scottish guy (the wrong one in my opinion). So now, in my head, this is totally played by David Tennant (obviously the right Scottish Davy 😉).
#Shakespeare #henryIVpart2 #HenryIV #shakespeareskings #shakespearereadalong #davy #davidtennant

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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

The end is nigh for you, Sir John.
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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

Hal has suddenly stepped up to the plate. Just look at him now.
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DGRachel I love Hal‘s personal growth with these plays. That really is one of my favorite elements. 5y

GingerAntics @DGRachel I was just thinking that myself. I was working on my review and Hal is probably my favourite character from this play. Kate is still my favourite character from Part 1, but I appreciate Hal in both parts in a way I didn‘t until getting to the end of this one. 5y

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Henry IV, Part 2 | William Shakespeare

Falstaff, Falstaff, Falstaff... your end is coming my friend. Your end is coming (I can‘t wait).
#shakespearereadalong #Shakespeare #henryIVpart2 #HenryIV #shakespeareskings

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