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I REALLY didn‘t like Falstaff, so I‘m always thrown a bit when people rave about him. He just comes off as so bloody childish. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Maybe I‘m taking him - or life - too seriously, but I just don‘t like him at all.
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Faibka Another one I haven‘t read 🤦🏻‍♀️ this book is really poking me to get on with reading the plays I‘m still missing! I‘m loving the historical tid bits! 3y
GingerAntics @Faibka I am adoring those parts, yes!!! 💙💙💙 3y
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Our dear Hal may seem like a man-child getting into mischief with his friends, but he was a well read, well educated humanist. He received the best education of his day.
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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This is the synopsis of Part 1 in my copy of Part 2, just in case anyone needs it or wants it. Hopefully it hasn‘t stretched the limits of cell phone screens too badly for those without access to a tablet.
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa I could read it fine on my cell phone. Thanks, it was a perfect summary. 5y
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TheBookHippie I just watched the PBS special of Henry the 8th castle ....just to confuse things 🤣🤣🤣 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie 🤣😂🤣 what were you thinking?! 😂🤣😂 You officially have way too many Henries in your head now. 🤣😂🤣 ... actually that sounds really interesting. I may have to look that up. 😏 5y
GingerAntics @Riveted_Reader_Melissa oh good. I checked it on my phone, but then I realised that smart phone screens come in all sorts of sizes so I was just hoping it was readable. I was hoping it would help get everyone ready to start the new play this week sometime. 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie 💙💙💙 bless you for documentary recs!!! 5y
TheBookHippie Insomnia🤣 I watched that and Chatsworth and Empire of the Tsars!!! I now want to cook in all the places !!! (edited) 5y
Lcsmcat 👍🏻 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh I have empire of the tsars in my queue. Was it good? 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh wow all three of those are in my queue!!! 5y
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I love all things Russian Tsar history 🤣 so seeing it all was fun. 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I guess I‘m most interested in Tsarist history where it ends. For some reason I was deeply drawn to Alexi Romanov in freshman world history back in high school. My teacher didn‘t understand why I needed/wanted/knew more about him other than his hemophilia. I was supposed to do pictures to remind me of each of a set of people and he was one of them. I wanted to do a horse and a gun since we was into military stuff... 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie but he insisted I just do a bloody crown. I was very upset. I still didn‘t know I was a historian at that stage, but I guess it was one of the early signs. 🤣😂🤣 I figured I should probably know more of the history than that, especially since all the European royal families are related anyway. Hell, Elizabeth II and Prince Philip are second cousins. No wonder Prince Charles has such huge ears. Philip doesn‘t have them. 🤣😂🤣 (edited) 5y
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I was fascinated with Grand Dutchess Maria I heard she had a diary!!! (As a child) (edited) 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie wasn‘t that one of Alexi‘s older sisters? He certainly had a lot of them as I recall. 5y
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics yup!!! 4 Tatiana Anastasia Olga Maria .. 5y
batsy Thanks! I know I just finished it recently but I'll never not need a recap for the history plays 😂 5y
GingerAntics @batsy I wish there was one of these nice, single paragraph synopses for every play. It would make life so much easier. 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I‘m so excited I actually recognised that correctly. It probably been (amazingly) 18-19 years since I studied the Romanov‘s. 5y
Gezemice Thanks! I am reading Wars of the Roses, inspired by the play. Shakespeare got the main things right, but there was quite a bit of artistic license, of course. Hotspur‘s wife was Elizabeth, not Kate, and he was older even than Henry IV, so he would not have regarded Hotspur his son. Some other details, too. But overall quite historically accurate. 5y
GingerAntics @Gezemice the intro to my edition of part 1 covered a lot of that. Shakes is really good at keeping the history in place and only changing what he needs to change to make his narrative work. He does quite an elegant job of it I think. His original audiences would have known this history as a matter of course, or their own national mythology almost, so it makes sense that he stuck closely to the history. 5y
wordzie Thank you for that! 😁 i didn't start with you guys and I was behind so that threw me off a bit. But i do plan to read part two with you guys. Thx a bunch for not dumping me!! 🙌😘 5y
GingerAntics @wordzie it‘s all good. I‘m not sure we‘ve ever dumped anyone. Admittedly I wasn‘t here for the first two plays, but we were a much smaller group back then. I think we had one person say they didn‘t want to do it anymore. Other than that, yeah, you can pop in and out as you want. 5y
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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Loved the action and the speed of the second half of the play. I wasn‘t a huge fan of most of the characters, but the fact that they all try to kill each other in the final act perks things up. Kate was my favourite character. I love Shakespeare‘s strong female characters. Looking forward to Part 2.
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Gezemice Yes, the second part definitely had more action. Now I need to read up on the War of the Roses! 5y
TheBookHippie I think he had a good healthy respect for strong women or I just hope ❤️ 5y
batsy So true about Kate! 5y
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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @batsy I love her. She wasn‘t in this play nearly enough. I‘ve read several scholars that talk about his respect for strong female characters, but no one seems to know what that meant in his real life. My theory is that since all he had left was his daughters, he wanted to give them good role models. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 5y
GingerAntics @Gezemice yeah I don‘t feel like I know nearly enough about the battles being fought in these plays. I‘m not usually one for military history, but in this case I kind of want to make an exception. 5y
Gezemice @GingerAntics I thought you like medieval history? It is more of a political intrigue story than battles, although there are a few of those, too. I own one from Alison Weir, whom I love, and I plan on rereading 5y
GingerAntics @Gezemice no I‘m an early modern person and I still don‘t like the battles and what not. I‘m an intellectual and religious historian. Fighting comes into play occasionally, but it‘s definitely not my happy place. I‘ve got a very basic overview of the wars of the roses. 5y
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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Final discussion for part 1. So how did it go? How did you like the final act? Handy thoughts over all?
Not going to lie. I liked the fact that the last act is all the male characters trying to kill each other. That was actually quite fun. The characters I like are the female characters.
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DGRachel The audio for Act V was a hoot. It really brought the fight scenes to life. Overall, it was slower than I remembered, but I‘m looking forward to Part II. 5y
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Graywacke Maybe a little anticlimactic for me - at least on the page, without performance to dramatize the fight scenes. Maybe I wanted more humor (is that weird?) ? Maybe I need part II? 5y
Lcsmcat @DGRachel I haven‘t watched it this time, but my memory of seeing it years ago agrees with your opinion. @graywacke I found the bits with Falstaff funny, but I was visualizing the slapstick I remembered from the Utah Shakespeare Festival performance. 5y
TheBookHippie @DGRachel I need to listen to this for sure!!! 5y
TheBookHippie @Graywacke I think this is an onstage is better. I do enjoy the laughter in the comedies. However @GingerAntics I agree with your men observations and that is comical 🤣🙌🏻🙌🏻😝 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke I felt the same way, like it didn‘t really have that feeling of completion, more like the story just paused. I think it lends credence to the idea the two plays are meant to be read together. I think I‘m starting part 2 tomorrow. 5y
TheBookHippie I also think we need part 2. I‘m going to reread the history behind these as well this week because I‘m a geek. 5y
CoffeeNBooks @DGRachel I hadn't thought about listening to the audiobook- I'll have to see if I can download it from my library for Part 2. 😊 5y
DGRachel @CoffeeNBooks It‘s available through Hoopla if your library gives you access to that. 😊 5y
CoffeeNBooks @DGRachel I'll have to check- I wasn't able to find it on the library website or Libby. 😕 5y
Gezemice I have watched a performance on Youtube and it turned out to be part 1 and 2 together... except it seemed it was mostly part 1, with the ending added from part 2. On stage, this is a rather exciting part - lots of sword fighting, characters run in and out, and Falstaff brings quite a bit of comedy. I agree that it seems unfinished, that‘s probably why that adaptation had an end scene from part 2. @Graywacke @TheBookHippie 5y
Gezemice @DGRachel @CoffeeNBooks I have downloaded the audio from Hoopla, too, and it was really good! I did end up reading it, too. 5y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @CoffeeNBooks If not, try Librivox, they are read by volunteers, so not professional, but if you can find one read by a cast that usually helps. 5y
TheBookHippie @Gezemice well that makes sense!!! I‘ll have to watch it. 5y
Riveted_Reader_Melissa And yes, crazy fight scene...people leaving others to take the fall for their scheming and others taking the credit for someone else‘s hard won fights. 5y
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Hoopla has at least two, the one with multiple readers is good. Mine was by Arkangel Shakespeare 5y
Gezemice @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Well Hotspur got what he bargained for. Rebellion is risky business 5y
batsy @Graywacke @GingerAntics I feel the "on hold" feeling as I finished, as well, so I'm glad we're reading Part 2 soon. I don't think it's weird to want more comedy, because I did as well ? Falstaff became very philosophical towards the end! 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I‘m not sure that qualifies as geeky. I think that‘s closer to being well informed. lol 5y
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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Also, we have this small order of business. Part 2 picks up a few hours after the end of Part 1 and it is suggested to read them consecutively, but if anyone needs a break, let me know and we can stick a play between them. I also think, either way, we need a catch up week so everyone can catch up with this one before we start the next one. VOTING IS NOW OPEN: PART 2 OR AN INTERMISSION PLAY?
#shakespearereadalong #henryIVpart1 #henryIVpart2

DGRachel Since I‘ve only seen The Hollow Crown version of Part 2 and haven‘t read it, I vote for going onto Part 2. 5y
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quietlycuriouskate I definitely need a catch-up week but I don't mind which play is up next. 5y
Lcsmcat I‘m fine either way. 5y
Gezemice I would say go on and finish, but the catch-up week is a good idea. 5y
Graywacke I‘ll happy either way. 5y
CoffeeNBooks Either way is fine with me, but it makes sense to go ahead and read Part 2 right away, instead of reading another play in between. (edited) 5y
Mtroiano I‘m a little behind so I‘ll definitely need a catch up week but I‘m good to go on to part 2 after! 5y
TheBookHippie Either way works for me!!! I‘ve hit my stride now!! 5y
batsy Totally OK for an intermission and catch up for as long as needed. Also think moving on to Part 2 next might help in terms of remembering things. But that might be just me and my tweet-sized attention span 😂 But I'm game if the group wants to do another play instead 👍🏽 5y
merelybookish Another vote for reading Part 2! 5y
readinginthedark I'm good either way--just need that catch-up week! 😅 5y
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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I wanted to get this posted before I went for my run.
Things are speeding up here in Act IV. The action of this act reflects this speeding time and moves very quickly. We see the full passion of Hotspur, the complete idiocy of Falstaff, and we get a little foreshadowing of the next play.
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Lcsmcat The last footnote of the last scene of this act sums it up: “The chief, and very real, interest of this otherwise unremarkable scene is in its foreshadowing of further trouble after Shrewsbury.” 5y
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GingerAntics @Lcsmcat right? When I read that I was really excited for the next play. 5y
TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat A foreshadowing !!!! So true ...(I love the word foreshadowing 🤣❤️📖) I feel like real life and reading this are so close I shutter! 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie it‘s a great word, isn‘t it? You feel like real life is like this play? I can kind of see the parallels, but who is Hotspur? lol 5y
Graywacke I feel bad. Traveling and I haven‘t read act iv yet. I‘ll come back later this week. 5y
batsy I've become a bit of a Harold Bloom regarding Falstaff; I enjoy his character so much ? Nothing felt so hyper-capitalist 21st-century fast-paced modern life than when Hotspur said, "Zounds! How has he the leisure to be sick in such a justling time?“ How dare anyone claim a sick day ? 5y
GingerAntics @batsy really? I‘m kind of hoping he gets killed in this coming battle. 🤞🏻 5y
batsy 😂 5y
GingerAntics @batsy in fact, if it weren‘t for the historical suggestion that Hal is going to grow up to be a good king (better than his ridiculous father), I probably wouldn‘t care if they all killed each other. None of them really feel like they have many redeeming qualities. 😂 (edited) 5y
batsy I agree! I'm not warming to any of them except Lady Kate of whom we see too little. That's why I enjoy Falstaff; he is entertaining for his gross excesses. The character is like a satirical jab at the excesses of monarchy and aristocratic society. 5y
GingerAntics @batsy oh I totally agree about Lady Kate. I feel like she should get her own play or something. 5y
Graywacke Finally caught up. (I‘m on vacation. Had reading plans, and life interfered. Had a backup plan and yet again stuff happened. So plan 3, success! Delayed success.) 5y
Graywacke @Lcsmcat @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @batsy So, act iv seemed mostly about buildup and the dissolution of Hotspur‘s army. And it‘s not that I like Falstaff as a person, but he‘s pure entertainment. He makes money to form a pathetic army, then has a plan to appear just as things wrap up and the spoils are there for taking - it would be awful were it anyone else. 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke but he got that money from letting the real soldiers buy their way out of fighting. It‘s corrupt as all get out. 5y
Lcsmcat @Graywacke @GingerAntics Yes, it‘s corrupt. But Falstaff is the comic relief. In performance it‘s more obvious, but without him the play would be unrelentingly serious. And these plays were written as entertainment, not educational material. I love how ridiculous Falstaff is! 5y
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics SO CORRUPT!!! Oye reminds me of someone !!!! 5y
Graywacke @GingerAntics - exactly, he‘s a a rogue. It‘s the size of his personality that overcomes our disgust and makes him likable. ( @Lcsmcat ) Like @batsy pointed out, he represents something truly awful in (English, but really all) nobility, but is himself entertaining. In that way, he‘s dark humor - but I think he‘s not simply that. (And he makes Hal look better in comparison) 5y
Graywacke @TheBookHippie oye, yes he does...🤢 5y
Graywacke Sorry, don‘t me to talk so much, but taking @TheBookHippie ‘s suggestion and then imaging Falstaff as king (😳)...well, it made me think, is Falstaff a swipe at Henry VIII? 5y
batsy Great points @Graywacke @Lcsmcat it's Falstaff's outsized personality and absolute freedom. He's not bound by any social norms and it's beyond ridiculous. In a way, it's how people of his class can live and I like that point about how he's there to make Hal look good. He's the fool who's also a foil 😆 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke I‘ll give you that. He definitely makes Hal look like more of a decent human being. 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie right? I was just thinking, “oh yeah, Falstaff is fun...just like Trump is fun.” 🙄 It‘d be funny if it wasn‘t so true. Although, it may be different in performance. That‘s a valid point. 5y
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat true. With out him being a total idiot, it would be all male posturing and “my army is bigger than your army” and “my family is older than your family.” It would get old. Very good point. 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke he could be a swipe at Henry VIII, but that would have been his own monarch‘s father and that would have been dangerous territory. It might have been, in the back of his mind, but that would have been a dangerous risk to take. Now I‘m wondering if this was before or after he‘d been censored a few times. There was a period where they almost wouldn‘t let anything he‘d written on stage. He was way more careful after that. 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke a Shakespeare prof once told me that Shakespeare never did plays of his own, recent history because of the inherent danger. If they didn‘t like how you wrote it, you could find yourself relieved of your head. 😆 Apparently Richard II was a close as he‘d get to exploring the issues surrounding the succession of the childless Elizabeth I on stage. 5y
Graywacke @GingerAntics I‘m sure that‘s true. He had to be careful to avoid any insinuation of that sort. As the Oldcastles (who forced S to change Falstaff‘s name) could attest, this historical stuff had contemporary meaning, so even in history he had to be weary. But still...I wonder. 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke it is an interesting way to look at him. I wonder if that isn‘t a modern perspective on Henry VIII though. He was seen as a great athlete in his day and was very proud of his muscular calves. He wasn‘t fat until much later in life. (edited) 5y
Graywacke @GingerAntics probably I‘m taking it too far. 5y
Graywacke From Wikipedia, for fun: “Henry finally retired from jousting in 1536 after a heavy fall from his horse left him unconscious for two hours, but he continued to sponsor two lavish tournaments a year. He then started adding weight and lost the trim, athletic figure that had made him so handsome; Henry's courtiers began dressing in heavily padded clothes to emulate – and flatter – their increasingly stout monarch.” 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke oh my god that is hilarious!!! 💙💙💙 I don‘t know if that‘s true, but in my imaginary world it sure is!!! 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke if nothing else, it‘s something we can see in him. Almost like a Shakespearean “thank god we don‘t have this guy anymore, even if his daughter is a prude.” 5y
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics It seems too crazy to be true then you read old literature or Shakespeare and know it has to be as old as time we just want to believe we‘ve come away from those days . I sometimes think Shakespeare actually knew this when writing. And is mocking us!!! In a good way. 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie you‘re not the first person I‘ve heard suggest this. In fact, I am have once suggested it somewhere. It‘s either that or he was clairvoyant and could see the future. I‘m actually torn between both theories. 5y
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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Rickie is still here. He may be dead, but he haunts this play.
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TheBookHippie I love it so!!! Be still my black heart!!! 🤣🤣🤣 5y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I still think he did Rickie wrong!!! 5y
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I do too!!! I of course am the one who visits the killer in jail and the deceased‘s family (when it‘s juveniles) at the funeral home. BUT I love a good juicy plot!!! I‘m enjoying this one quite a bit! 5y
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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THE END IS NIGH!!!
This seems to be everywhere at the moment. Perhaps Crowley convinced Shakes to put this in. 😏
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batsy The moody goth teen in me had to underline this bit twice! 5y
GingerAntics @batsy 🤣😂🤣 5y
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King Henry IV, Part 1 | William Shakespeare
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This Hal is a little younger than I‘ve been picturing him, but for some reason I really like this painting.
So in Act III we‘ve seen the plan against Hank who can‘t seem to understand what god could possibly be punishing him for (hubris certainly couldn‘t be on the list of possibilities), and Hal giving command of a regiment of men to Falstaff (which seems like the dumbest idea I‘ve ever heard, but what do I know?).
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DGRachel I‘m caught up!! It does seem like a rather bad idea to give Falstaff command of troops, but I did enjoy the convo btwn the King and Hal. I also found the interplay btwn Hotspur & his wife amusing. 5y
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GingerAntics @DGRachel love that Mortimer and his wife don‘t even speak a common language. 😂 That‘s so wrong, but I suppose it happened back in he day. I felt like Hank was grandstanding for Hal, pulling Rickie into it just to twist the knife a little more in Rickie‘s back. Love that he wasn‘t quite sure what god was punishing him for with Hal, but he was sure it was something. Really? I can think of a few things off the top of my head. 5y
GingerAntics @DGRachel love Hotspur and Kate, though. I feel like she gets her voice heard more than he‘d like. 💙💙💙 I adore it. 5y
Lcsmcat The whole Welsh thing made me think of Monty Python. And I didn‘t buy the Prince of Wales‘ reformation. 5y
Graywacke @Lcsmcat @DGRachel @GingerAntics but the Welsh translation got a little hot...no? It was a contrast of relationships - romance without language and something quite different with it 5y
Graywacke I loved the opening with Hotspur and Glendower. Hotspur won my affection back. ..... I was kind if impressed with the king-son bit. The son said everything he had to, and the father showed some tolerance. He‘s not a black and white kind of king. .... I have no idea what Hal has in mind for an apparently incompetent Falstaff in battle, but the conversation was terrific. I‘m glad Falstaff will continue to so involved .... (edited) 5y
Graywacke (ran out of characters) .... and lastly, I really enjoyed this act, all of it. 5y
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I agree on the Welsh conversation! And how awkward to have a third party translating that kind of talk. (edited) 5y
Graywacke @Lcsmcat should the actor blush? 🙂 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke @Lcsmcat I feel like it‘s even more awkward because the translator was her father. *shudder* Every man wants his father-in-law to translate intimate conversations between himself and his wife. 😂 5y
Lcsmcat @Graywacke I would! 5y
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat @Graywacke Clearly he needs to teacher her English and she needs to teach him Welsh...immediately. 5y
Lcsmcat @GingerAntics Exactly! Just what I would have wanted. 🙄 5y
GingerAntics @Lcsmcat exactly. The relationship between the three of them was somehow lost on me until I went through the scene by scene analysis and I went back and reread that part and sure enough. 5y
Graywacke @GingerAntics @Lcsmcat don‘t forget, father wants grandchildren 🙂 I suspect Shakespeare is making a playful commentary on relationship battles. Can be lot easier if you can‘t actually argue... 5y
GingerAntics @Graywacke I had that same thought. I guess they can‘t argue because they can‘t understand each other. They can also yell at each other and say whatever they want and never hurt the other person‘s feelings because they don‘t understand each other. It could make life easier in an odd sort of way... but alternatively, how do you build true intimacy when you can‘t talk? It wok,d be totally physical and nothing else. (edited) 5y
batsy I get a huge kick out of Falstaff! Honestly, so far his character makes the play for me. I'm interested to observe Hal's transformation to upright, princely son as well. @Lcsmcat The comparison to Monty Python is spot on! 😂 5y
GingerAntics @batsy really? I can‘t stand him just about as much as I can‘t stand Hank, but then I‘ve never been shy about proclaiming my loyalties to Rickie. 5y
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