The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

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Leftcoastzen I am not in the group but seeing this post I want to re watch both films 2mo

Librarybelle It seems that anything I have seen or read the couple always jump to a distract decision, usually murder. Sometimes the husband is cruel, sometimes not. They also never get away with it… 2mo

dabbe @Leftcoastzen Same here! I adore noir, both in books and film! 🖤🎥🖤 2mo

dabbe I probably gave too much away with the pictures I posted, but this story did remind me of these two movies, DOUBLE INDEMNITY and BODY HEAT. In the first one, the husband is an abusive jerk, but the woman is cunningly evil (Barbara Stanwyck at her best) in plotting to kill him with her lover (played by a surprisingly evil Fred MacMurry). BODY HEAT is an 80s noir redo of that film. Eugenia doesn't seem as evil, but, perhaps a bit? 2mo

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @dabbe

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CogsOfEncouragement Good points. 2mo

eeclayton Wasn't Mr Ronder the owner of the circus? Mrs R and Leonardo may have wanted to take over the business after his death and be better bosses? There was a comment about his being cruel towards the animals and hated by colleagues, and that business had been declining because of his behaviour. 2mo

Librarybelle Leonardo did not sound like the best of characters either…perhaps he just wanted rid of Ronder. But, very good points, and you‘re right, the police would be less inclined to hunt down the couple due to their transient profession. 2mo

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Cuilin Statistics support the fact that most women who are in an abusive relationship are the most vulnerable when they are either pregnant or they are trying to leave. She knew her husband could/would prevent her leaving. He would possibly track her down if she left and she would never feel safe. She possibly felt murder was her only option to truly escape. 2mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement @eeclayton @Librarybelle @Cuilin You all offer outstanding possibilities. I'd like to add just one that goes along with what @eeclayton said. According to Eugenia herself, she started as a “poor circus girl.“ Yet, after she gets mauled and her husband's death is ruled accidental, she states that she “had enough money“ to go into hiding and “plenty of hard cash“ to throw at her landlady. ⬇️ 2mo

dabbe Where'd the money come from? Could it be that she collected lots of money after she inherited her husband's property (probably selling it) and collecting insurance for his accidental death? The murder left her well-off enough to fulfill her desires--although admittedly they might have been better desires had she not been mauled. So, the motive for murder might have been for good, old-fashioned greed: money. 2mo

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The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

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CogsOfEncouragement SH wondered what had happened. Instead of having to figure it out, the story is simply confessed. He doesn‘t have any satisfaction in solving a puzzle, but does feel good about saving a life. Not the normal events W usually reports. (edited) 2mo

eeclayton What @CogsOfEncouragement said, plus, he didn't have to force a confession out of her, or trick her into it, she offered it of her own volition. 2mo

Librarybelle Agreed, @CogsOfEncouragement and @eeclayton ! 2mo

Cuilin It‘s definitely a change up, however “ but there was something in the woman‘s voice which arrested Holmes attention. He turned swiftly upon her. ‘Your life is not your own‘ ” Holmes predicted and prevented her suicide. 2mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement @eeclayton @Librarybelle @Cuilin There have been some stories where Holmes's detective skills are not necessarily needed, but this one seems to be the ONE where Holmes literally does NOTHING but listen, absolve, and prevent a suicide like @Cuilin said. The tragedy has already unfolded, and the story focuses on psychological suffering rather than intellectual triumph. It's the only Holmes story without a criminal case to solve. 2mo

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

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CogsOfEncouragement She could have left a note to be found, but seems she wanted to make sure SH heard the truth and hoped W would write about it for inquiring minds to know. I chuckled that she trusted SH to be judge and jury, and to agree her current punishment was enough. We have discussed his tendency toward this many times. W highlighting it here. 2mo

Librarybelle I like that thought, @CogsOfEncouragement , that she chose Holmes to tell her story to, so he could be judge and jury. Holmes has a solid reputation, and yes, we definitely know that he looks at justice in a way that the police and the clergy would not necessarily do. 2mo

Cuilin One, Sherlock is not constrained by law and two she has read his case and knows the likelihood he would understand she has been punished enough. 2mo

dabbe Excellent points, @CogsOfEncouragement @Librarybelle @Cuilin. I think Mrs. Ronder seeks Holmes because she wants to confess her guilt but fears legal or religious consequences. The clergy cannot absolve her of past actions, and the police might expose her role in her husband‘s murder. Holmes, however, represents a neutral yet morally astute figure who can bear witness without judgment. 2mo

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The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @dabbe

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CogsOfEncouragement That was short. 2mo

eeclayton It was less challenging mentally. Although SH asked some questions in the set-up part of the story, I didn't feel invited to make any guesswork, and it was a rather underwhelming reading experience compared to the previous cases. That said, Mrs Ronder's confession was thought-provoking, it did raise questions about living with guilt and double standards. 2mo

Librarybelle This was less of a mystery and more of a living with consequences story. 2mo

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Cuilin I thought it an interesting confessional. 2mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement 😂🎯😂 2mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement @eeclayton @Librarybelle @Cuilin Agree 💯 with your thoughts. This story focused more on remorse and suffering rather than Holmes's deductive brilliance. The grim tone and Gothic elements (a horribly disfigured woman, the gruesome backstory) made it one of Doyle's darker tales, but it was more of a character study than the whodunit detective stories we usually want to see. 2mo

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AnneCecilie

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

When one considers that Mr. Sherlock Holmes was in active practice for twenty-three years, and that during seventeen of these I was allowed to cooperate with him and to keep notes of his doings, it will be clear that I have a mass of material at my command

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The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

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Interesting discussion on Saturday, Sherlockians. Can you believe we're down to our last THREE stories? 😱 Next up: “(TAo The Veiled Lodger“. Discussion will be on July 26th and will be led by @dabbe. Hope your week goes well.

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dabbe TY! 💙🩵💙 2mo

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Interesting discussion on Saturday, Sherlockians. Can you believe we're down to our last THREE stories? 😱 Next up: “(TAo The Veiled Lodger“. Discussion will be on July 26th and will be led by @dabbe. Hope your week goes well. 🩵

Link to summary and analysis (spoiler alert): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1If4cnAClVSkkczBI3jU0L4olG3AxJOI1/view?usp=shari...

Librarybelle Thank you! 2mo

dabbe @Librarybelle YW! 😘 2mo

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