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Sherlock Holmes and the Adventure of the Sussex Vampire | Arthur Conan Doyle

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@Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Fabulous discussion and insight yesterday, Sherlockians! We're getting closer to the end! Next up: “(TAo) The Sussex Vampire.“ Discussion will be this coming Saturday, 6/7, and will be led by @Cuilin. Have a good week. 🤗

Link to summary and analysis (spoiler alert!): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbyHAZrTXjmnC6KRzh5x6YdASAOmncCq/view?usp=shari...

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Librarybelle Thank you! 5h

dabbe @Librarybelle YW! 😍 9m

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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone (Annotated) | Arthur Conan Doyle

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Thoughts?

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Cuilin @cuilin @mollyanna @Tineke @Larkken @StayCurious @kimrenee @alldebooks @CogsOfEncouragement @catlass007 @CrystalE02 @curiouserandcurioser @Larkken @BeeCurious @Blackink_WhitePaper @Daisey @RayHallucinogen @Born.A.Reader @Chrissyreadit @Fr3NcHtOaSt @Anishalnkspill 1w

Librarybelle I think I would wonder what exactly all of the excitement about Holmes was if I had not read anything prior… 1w

eeclayton @Librarybelle I agree that it's not the best starting point for a new reader. 1w

dabbe This story is usually close to last or dead last as far as favorite SH stories for readers. To start with this one would have been horrific, especially since the POV was so different; all of the personal touches are absent from this one without our Watson, and he basically acts like a dummy in this one with hardly a role to play at all.

Also, where the hell did Billy the page boy come from? That was another #thingsthatmakeyougohmm 1w

CogsOfEncouragement Oh, good question. This story does feel like it is meant for someone who has been reading about SH and W for some time. I didn't consider that too much until just now. 1w

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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone (Annotated) | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
Thoughts?

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Cuilin @cuilin @mollyanna @Tineke @Larkken @StayCurious @kimrenee @alldebooks @CogsOfEncouragement @catlass007 @CrystalE02 @curiouserandcurioser @Larkken @BeeCurious @Blackink_WhitePaper @Daisey @RayHallucinogen @Born.A.Reader @Chrissyreadit @Fr3NcHtOaSt @Anishalnkspill 1w

Librarybelle The voice, of course, is different, but Holmes has still laid out a complicated trap for the culprits. Not too much of a mystery, but more of a descriptive way that the culprits are brought to justice. 1w

Cuilin @Librarybelle this story is very much like “The Empty House”. However, because this particular story was written for the Theatre, IMO it feels familiar because we are used to seeing Sherlock as a visual character due to all the movie and TV adaptations. (edited) 1w

dabbe I have a hard time buying that Holmes was able to move the dummy and sit in its place while the Count and Marton were talking because the dummy was in FULL VIEW the entire time! They would have to have had their backs turned away from the dummy the whole time, and Holmes would have had to have been extremely quiet. Also, IMHO, “The Empty House“ was much better. Why do a repeat from a play that also was a repeat? Was Doyle running out of ideas? 1w

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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone (Annotated) | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts?

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Cuilin @cuilin @mollyanna @Tineke @Larkken @StayCurious @kimrenee @alldebooks @CogsOfEncouragement @catlass007 @CrystalE02 @curiouserandcurioser @Larkken @BeeCurious @Blackink_WhitePaper @Daisey @RayHallucinogen @Born.A.Reader @Chrissyreadit @Fr3NcHtOaSt @Anishalnkspill 1w

Librarybelle I was thrown by the third person narrative at first. The plot also reminded me a little of another story we read some time ago, where Holmes pretends to be ill but is faking his illness to catch the culprit. Lots of dialogue too, given the third person narrative, but it made the story read rather quickly. Admittedly, I was surprised by Holmes‘s sudden appearance at the end. 1w

eeclayton This is kind of off topic, but when we started this book, the Mazarin Stone was the first story I read, and I kept looking for the illustrious client in the story. I hadn't realized at first that the order of the stories is completely different in my edition 😂 1w

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Cuilin @eeclayton this happened to me with “The Cardboard Box”, luckily it was Denise‘s week to post questions. Lol 1w

Cuilin @Librarybelle it was quite a quick read. It is one of the shortest in the canon. 1w

kelli7990 This was an interesting story. It was so short. I didn‘t realize it was over until the next story in the audiobook started playing. When I realized the next story started playing, I went back and started this one over again but I skipped to the end so I can find out how it ended. 1w

dabbe For me, the 3rd-person narration didn't work so well. Who is this person, and how does s/he know so much of the dialogue? Having never had a 3rd-person omniscient POV before, I had to further suspend my disbelief. Also, not knowing that a door led into the curtained area, or that it was a gramophone playing and not Holmes (1st time that was mentioned) did not allow us equal access to the clues to solve the crime. Alas, we were mere readers. (edited) 1w

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dabbe

The New Annotated Sherlock Holmes: The Complete Short Stories: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes (Non-slipcased Edition) (Vol. 1) (The Annotated Books) | Arthur Conan Doyle

#SundayFunday
@BookmarkTavern

I could only tag one of these chunksters, even though it's a 3-volume set: THE NEW ANNOTATED SHERLOCK HOLMES ... the entire canon. All volumes together tally to 3,926 pages. And I've read them through twice. #sherlocked

A big thing I learned from reading today's posts, I will stay FAR away from the novel CLARISSA. 👏🏻💪🏻👏🏻 to those who powered through that one. 🤣

tpixie When I finish,

Les Miserables: (penguin Classics Deluxe Edition)

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BookmarkTavern Whoa! 🤯 super impressive! Thanks for sharing! 2w

dabbe @tpixie YES to that, too! 🙌🏻 2w

dabbe @BookmarkTavern 😍 2w

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Bookwomble

New Annotated Sherlock Holmes: The Complete Short Stories (Slipcased) | Arthur Conan Doyle

#SundayFunday @BookmarkTavern
As a two-volume set, the annotated Holmes short stories has the highest page count in my Library Thing account, coming in at 1,878 pages, with an extra lxvii pages of prefatory material, totalling 1,945 pages
The longest single volume book I've read, at 1,892 pages, is the Bible, so long ago that my edition is signed by Adam, Eve and the Serpent! 🌿🐍

Bookwomble Leave aside dictionaries and thesauruses, and the longest single volume I've read for pleasure is a 1928 edition of Great Short Stories of Detection, Mystery and Horror, edited by Dorothy L. Sayers, at 1,231 pages 📖
(Probably too much info! 😏♾️)

Great Short Stories Of Detection, Mystery And Horror

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BookmarkTavern Wow! Sherlock Holmes is longer than I thought it was! Thanks for posting! 2w

Bookwomble @BookmarkTavern This is an annotated edition with a lot of sidebars, essays and illustrations, so it does bump up the page count 😊 The companion volume with the four novels has a further 921 pages. For comparison, the Penguin Complete Sherlock Holmes with just the canonical works is 1122 pages 📚

The Penguin Complete Sherlock Holmes

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LitsyEvents

The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone (Annotated) | Arthur Conan Doyle

repost for @dabbe:

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Fabulous discussion and insight today, Sherlockians! We're getting closer to the end! Next up: “(TAo) The Mazarin Stone.“ Discussion will be next Saturday, 5/24, and will be led by @Cuilin. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. 🤗

Link to summary and analysis (spoiler alert!): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k5Xh5uGVCsZIF7OZG089P64zdx2ZmY1g/view

Cuilin 👍🙏 2w

dabbe TY! 🤩🤩🤩 2w

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone (Annotated) | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Fabulous discussion and insight today, Sherlockians! We're getting closer to the end! Next up: “(TAo) The Mazarin Stone.“ Discussion will be next Saturday, 5/24, and will be led by @Cuilin. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. 🤗

Link to summary and analysis (spoiler alert!): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k5Xh5uGVCsZIF7OZG089P64zdx2ZmY1g/view?usp=shari...

Librarybelle Thank you! 2w

dabbe @Librarybelle 🥰 2w

Cuilin 👍🙏 2w

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin

#theblanchedsoldier

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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CatLass007 Sherlock Holmes‘s fear of being vulnerable and lonely is represented by his comments about Watson abandoning him to get married. The same loneliness faces Godfrey and his family. The family and their two trusted servants have isolated themselves from any community because they believe they have to protect Godfrey‘s “secret.” Solitude is great and being alone doesn‘t mean being lonely, but the self-isolation of this small group of people (cont)⬇️ 2w

CatLass007 has brought loneliness to one and all. 2w

Librarybelle Holmes sounds bitter when he mentions Watson choosing to marry and live with his wife, leaving Holmes all alone. It‘s like Holmes recognizes the importance of Watson in these cases, and he also brings in the doctor to help identify the disease, in essence showing he cannot do this on his own. The family, meanwhile, chooses to self-isolate rather than be piranhas in society. (edited) 2w

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Cuilin Absence makes the heart grow fonder and can lead to loneliness. James misses his friend Godfrey, Sherlock misses Watson, the family miss their “healthy” son. The butler misses the young Godfrey and Godfrey misses his life of inclusion. 2w

dabbe @CatLass007 @Librarybelle @Cuilin ... W🤩WZA! All of your answers have #gobsmacked me! Just to add my 2 cents: Godfrey's literal confinement reflects the social fear of contagion and mirrors how society isolates those who are considered tainted.

The setting itself: The country estate is portrayed as secluded and gloomy, emphasizing the idea of separation from the outside world. ⬇️ 2w

dabbe @CatLass007 @Librarybelle @Cuilin The country estate is portrayed as secluded and gloomy, emphasizing the idea of separation from the outside world. The locked and hidden room where Godfrey is kept symbolizes how society sometimes “locks away” what it fears or does not understand.

Also, Godfrey's “blanched“ appearance may not only be due to his illness but could also be psychologically symbolic of the emotional toll of his isolation. 2w

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin

#theblanchedsoldier

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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CatLass007 Status seems to have been very important to members of society, some more than others. So there is fear of loss of the family‘s social standing. Leprosy, aka Hansen‘s disease, still exists exists today but if detected early enough and treated properly no disfigurement occurs and the disease is curable. I confess that I learned this by watching House but I consulted Dr. Google to confirm the facts. We‘re still ignorant about and frightened (cont)⬇️ 2w

CatLass007 by this once incurable disease. So much of this fear is based on what occurs in the Old and New Testaments and is based on religious superstition. How many times have religious people said that AIDS was God‘s punishment? That‘s what was taught in the old religious texts about leprosy. Most people don‘t go beyond the religious texts to do any real research. I‘m probably veering way off course, so I‘ll bring it back around and say (cont)⬇️ (edited) 2w

CatLass007 humans and their irrational fears haven‘t changed much over the millennia. 2w

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Librarybelle Like @CatLass007 , leprosy had (and has) such a negative connotation, thanks in part to religious teachings. Those who live with the disease are deemed “unclean” and “tainted.” If word got out that a well-to-do member of society contracted it, well that would be the end of their social acceptance. So much fear, with no accurate research. Of course, Conan Doyle makes everything perfect by stating he really does not have leprosy. 🙄 2w

Cuilin I agree with @CatLass007 and @Librarybelle The families shame was so great they hid their son away from society and couldn‘t bring themselves to get a specialist doctor. I think we still see this today with a certain sector of society ignoring medicine and science. The use of medication is seen as weak. The shame of not being perfect pervades culture, we exalt youth and hide our elders away. Others entertain eugenics. Well that got dark. 2w

CatLass007 @Cuilin @Librarybelle It‘s okay to get dark. It‘s okay to be angry. It‘s okay to be afraid of what is happening in the US and because of what‘s happening here it has put the whole world into turmoil, or at least that‘s how it seems to me. Litsy is a safe space to express and discuss our feelings and thoughts. (edited) 2w

dabbe @CatLass007 @Cuilin @Librarybelle You all perfectly answered the fears we have had and still have not just re: leprosy but anything that is seen as different and not acceptable to the so-called norm. I'll just add to the “personal“ aspect of the question. Fear manifests in Godfrey‘s emotional and psychological response to his suspected illness. His willingness to live in near-total isolation reflects an internalization of societal stigma. ⬇️ 2w

dabbe @CatLass007 @Cuilin @Librarybelle He is not only afraid of the disease itself but also of what it would mean for his identity and future. His father, Colonel Emsworth, shares in this fear—not necessarily out of concern for Godfrey‘s health, but for the family's reputation and social standing. This leads to stern and secretive behavior rather than compassion or reason. 2w

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