sherlockholmes

The Sherlock Holmes Book | DK Publishing

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin

Hello, Sherlockians~
If you have been reading all of the weekly guides I've posted, then not only have you read the canon, but you've also read an entire other book! (see the picture above). I've linked the final articles below to round out this 300-plus-pages book if interested.
Link to articles: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TeuwNyclm7sltvUlnlgTUo-jrve5aKng/view?usp=shari...

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Cuilin Thank you, I read them after I read the stories to make sure I was correctly understanding the narratives. Fabulous. 2d

dabbe @Cuilin 🤎💛🤎 2d

kspenmoll I hope you are ok with all the heat you are facing . Thinking of you. 2d

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dabbe @kspenmoll Only 116 today. 🔥 Thank the weather gods for air conditioning! And thanks for thinking of me. Coming from Canada to this was quite the shocker! 😅🩵😅 2d

AlaMich I love DK books! I think they‘re so well-done and very engaging. 1d

dabbe @AlaMich IKR? I can't resist buying them whenever/wherever I see them! 😍 1d

eeclayton Thank you, these pages have been really useful! 1d

dabbe @eeclayton I'm so glad! I love the DK books and always have to get them whenever I see them! 🩵💙🩵 22h

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Cuilin

The Adventure of Shoscombe Old Place | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts on differences and similarities?

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Cuilin @mollyanna @Tineke @Larkken @StayCurious @kimrenee @alldebooks @CogsOfEncouragement @catlass007 @CrystalE02 @curiouserandcurioser @Larkken @BeeCurious @Blackink_WhitePaper @Daisey @RayHallucinogen @Born.A.Reader @Chrissyreadit @Fr3NcHtOaSt @Anishalnkspill 1w

eeclayton It surprised me that SH behaved in a rather Watsonian way with how he interpreted the clues. While he nicely guessed that the Lady Beatrice was already dead, I found it odd that he immediately jumped to the conclusion that Sir Robert had murdered him. Wasn't he supposed to wait and not form a theory before he knew all the facts? 7d

CogsOfEncouragement Honestly, after reading the last few, with W all but absent in one and SH actually narrating another, I gave up expecting anything for this last batch that Doyle was possibly less than enthusiastic to write.

I'm so grateful you two hosted this BR. It has been such a completely enjoyable community you brought together. THANK YOU again. Looking forward to one last story.

@dabbe 7d

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Cuilin @CogsOfEncouragement I can‘t believe that was my last time posting questions and that we only have one story left!!! What a wonderful experience!! Thank you for being a part of it. 💓 7d

Librarybelle I can sense too that Conan Doyle is basically at the end of his tolerance for Holmes‘ stories…again… @CogsOfEncouragement . This one was a bit better than the last few, but you just get a sense he‘s winding down with the stories. I cannot believe we have one more to go! Thank you, @Cuilin and @dabbe for this. After next week, I can truly say I‘ve read all of Holmes‘s stories! 7d

Cuilin @Librarybelle I know, only one more to go. Thank you so much for being a part of it. 💓 6d

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Cuilin

The Adventure of Shoscombe Old Place | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts on clues?

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CogsOfEncouragement SH with the dog as the carriage drew near. One of countless times Doyle uses W to allow us to feel oh so smart. When W does not realize immediately what SH is about and the reader most likely does. 7d

Cuilin @CogsOfEncouragement it works on me!! 😆 7d

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eeclayton @Cuilin @CogsOfEncouragement works on me too 😁 7d

Cuilin @eeclayton @CogsOfEncouragement it also reminded me of “Silver Blaze”, as in the curious incident of the dog in the night time! 7d

Librarybelle Yes, @CogsOfEncouragement ! I had suspected that the figure was not the sister before this part of the story, but Holmes‘s use of the loyal dog confirmed it for me. 7d

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Cuilin

The Adventure of Shoscombe Old Place | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts?

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eeclayton I enjoyed it, especially the gothic elements. The ending was a bit underwhelming, though. 7d

Cuilin @eeclayton Agreed. The gothic elements were great but ending seemed rushed. I was looking for the reveal to be a bit more dramatic. 7d

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CogsOfEncouragement I'm always amused when W says we already know what happened, because we would have read the account in the papers. I smiled when W said it is generally known that Sir Robert got better than he deserved.

I found it an interesting twist that SH who plays judge & jury so often, wanted to turn Sir R over for proper sentencing only for the police & coroner to be lenient. At least SH gives grace to women and not just those in the good ol boys club. 7d

Librarybelle Agreed, @eeclayton and @Cuilin ! The ending was a bit of a let down for me. 7d

kelli7990 I didn‘t really care for this story very much. 5d

Cuilin @kelli7990 You know there‘s some we love and some we don‘t and that‘s OK. Thanks for all your contributions. 🫶 5d

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LitsyEvents

The Adventure of Shoscombe Old Place | Arthur Conan Doyle

Repost for @dabbe

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Interesting discussion on Saturday, Sherlockians. Can you believe we're down to our last TWO stories? 😱 Next up: “(TAo TShoscombe Old Place“. Discussion will be on August 2nd and will be led by @Cuilin. Hope your week goes well. 🩵

Original post - https://www.litsy.com/web/post/2886618

dabbe TY! 😍 2w

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dabbe

The Adventure of Shoscombe Old Place | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Interesting discussion on Saturday, Sherlockians. Can you believe we're down to our last TWO stories? 😱 Next up: “(TAo TShoscombe Old Place“. Discussion will be on August 2nd and will be led by @Cuilin. Hope your week goes well. 🩵

Link to summary and analysis (spoiler alert):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w1YeGp2Wolm_jzceGZ7qlc2PurKkLZeG/view?usp=shari...

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @dabbe

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Leftcoastzen I am not in the group but seeing this post I want to re watch both films 2w

Librarybelle It seems that anything I have seen or read the couple always jump to a distract decision, usually murder. Sometimes the husband is cruel, sometimes not. They also never get away with it… 2w

dabbe @Leftcoastzen Same here! I adore noir, both in books and film! 🖤🎥🖤 2w

dabbe I probably gave too much away with the pictures I posted, but this story did remind me of these two movies, DOUBLE INDEMNITY and BODY HEAT. In the first one, the husband is an abusive jerk, but the woman is cunningly evil (Barbara Stanwyck at her best) in plotting to kill him with her lover (played by a surprisingly evil Fred MacMurry). BODY HEAT is an 80s noir redo of that film. Eugenia doesn't seem as evil, but, perhaps a bit? 2w

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @dabbe

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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CogsOfEncouragement Good points. 2w

eeclayton Wasn't Mr Ronder the owner of the circus? Mrs R and Leonardo may have wanted to take over the business after his death and be better bosses? There was a comment about his being cruel towards the animals and hated by colleagues, and that business had been declining because of his behaviour. 2w

Librarybelle Leonardo did not sound like the best of characters either…perhaps he just wanted rid of Ronder. But, very good points, and you‘re right, the police would be less inclined to hunt down the couple due to their transient profession. 2w

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Cuilin Statistics support the fact that most women who are in an abusive relationship are the most vulnerable when they are either pregnant or they are trying to leave. She knew her husband could/would prevent her leaving. He would possibly track her down if she left and she would never feel safe. She possibly felt murder was her only option to truly escape. 2w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement @eeclayton @Librarybelle @Cuilin You all offer outstanding possibilities. I'd like to add just one that goes along with what @eeclayton said. According to Eugenia herself, she started as a “poor circus girl.“ Yet, after she gets mauled and her husband's death is ruled accidental, she states that she “had enough money“ to go into hiding and “plenty of hard cash“ to throw at her landlady. ⬇️ 2w

dabbe Where'd the money come from? Could it be that she collected lots of money after she inherited her husband's property (probably selling it) and collecting insurance for his accidental death? The murder left her well-off enough to fulfill her desires--although admittedly they might have been better desires had she not been mauled. So, the motive for murder might have been for good, old-fashioned greed: money. 2w

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @dabbe

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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CogsOfEncouragement SH wondered what had happened. Instead of having to figure it out, the story is simply confessed. He doesn‘t have any satisfaction in solving a puzzle, but does feel good about saving a life. Not the normal events W usually reports. (edited) 2w

eeclayton What @CogsOfEncouragement said, plus, he didn't have to force a confession out of her, or trick her into it, she offered it of her own volition. 2w

Librarybelle Agreed, @CogsOfEncouragement and @eeclayton ! 2w

Cuilin It‘s definitely a change up, however “ but there was something in the woman‘s voice which arrested Holmes attention. He turned swiftly upon her. ‘Your life is not your own‘ ” Holmes predicted and prevented her suicide. 2w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement @eeclayton @Librarybelle @Cuilin There have been some stories where Holmes's detective skills are not necessarily needed, but this one seems to be the ONE where Holmes literally does NOTHING but listen, absolve, and prevent a suicide like @Cuilin said. The tragedy has already unfolded, and the story focuses on psychological suffering rather than intellectual triumph. It's the only Holmes story without a criminal case to solve. 2w

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @dabbe

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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CogsOfEncouragement She could have left a note to be found, but seems she wanted to make sure SH heard the truth and hoped W would write about it for inquiring minds to know. I chuckled that she trusted SH to be judge and jury, and to agree her current punishment was enough. We have discussed his tendency toward this many times. W highlighting it here. 2w

Librarybelle I like that thought, @CogsOfEncouragement , that she chose Holmes to tell her story to, so he could be judge and jury. Holmes has a solid reputation, and yes, we definitely know that he looks at justice in a way that the police and the clergy would not necessarily do. 2w

Cuilin One, Sherlock is not constrained by law and two she has read his case and knows the likelihood he would understand she has been punished enough. 2w

dabbe Excellent points, @CogsOfEncouragement @Librarybelle @Cuilin. I think Mrs. Ronder seeks Holmes because she wants to confess her guilt but fears legal or religious consequences. The clergy cannot absolve her of past actions, and the police might expose her role in her husband‘s murder. Holmes, however, represents a neutral yet morally astute figure who can bear witness without judgment. 2w

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