The Adventure of the Six Napoleons

The Adventure of the Six Napoleons | Arthur Conan Doyle

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Librarybelle I was a little surprised by the Mafia mention, honestly. I‘m sure there are connections in England with the Mafia, but I hadn‘t really thought about it. As for Napoleon and the statues…though this is written decades after, it‘s still a huge piece of British history, a source of pride. It made sense to me for Napoleon to be the statue—destruction of a hated enemy. He‘s still not really well liked in parts of the world. 1mo

Cuilin The mafia mentioned caught me off guard too. Like what? I thought that was Italian American history. 1mo

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Read4life I remember thinking early on the first time I read this that there was something in the bust. The mafia connection felt like it came out of nowhere when I read it. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement I suspected right away, it reminded me of The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle.

I was surprised so many people would want a N bust. I don't have any warm feelings for him.

The mafia mention didn't surprise me, Doyle taking the time to define what it was caught my attention.

So many good feelings from L in these stories yet the tv adaptations tend to lean into a ton of animosity from L to SH which I find interesting. 1mo

eeclayton The friendliness between Lestrade and Holmes was a pleasant surprise for me too, in this one and other stories as well, seeing how their relationship is shown in adaptations. @CogsOfEncouragement 1mo

Cuilin @eeclayton yes!!! The movie adaptations especially have them pit against each other. 1mo

Cuilin @CogsOfEncouragement I just watched the Granada YV adaptation with Jeremy Brett, and they seem friendly in that one. And then the BBC has them be on friendlier terms but the Robert Downey Jr. movie it‘s like they‘re enemies. 1mo

dabbe Part of the fun of reading the canon for me is seeing certain relationships develop, like the one between Lestrade and Holmes. I believe he features in more of the stories than any other police detective. His relationship with Holmes in the BBC series was an affable one and done very well IMHO.

I also think Doyle did write about the time period beyond just England. He's had the Mormons, the KKK, and now the Italian mafia in his stories. 4w

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Librarybelle I think it is a reflection of attitudes, and really attitudes today of otherness. 1mo

Cuilin @Librarybelle I was thinking the same thing that nothing much has changed, unfortunately. 1mo

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Read4life I agree that it really hasn‘t changed much. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement I was thinking about this as I read, especially his description of being so ugly. Seemed like all Italians basically knew each other, though it would make since they might gravitate to the same neighborhoods where they could speak their heart language, as people still tend to do. I lack knowledge of the history of Italians in England. 1mo

Cuilin @Read4life 😔 1mo

CatLass007 I know that filmmakers and authors today are still accused of perpetuating stereotypes. All Italians are members of the Mafia, everyone in Boston supports the IRA, indigenous people are primitive or drunks or whatever the latest stereotype is. So, no, humans haven‘t changed much at all. 1mo

CatLass007 But there‘s more. Didn‘t the bust-smashing Italian Mafia guy have a nickname? It seems like everyone connected with the Italian Mafia in the movies and on television has a nickname. I enjoy reading a good mystery or thriller, but I don‘t remember reading anything with Italian Mafia guys, much less ones who have nicknames. 1mo

dabbe It seems that anyone who is “foreign“ born without white skin receives some sort of prejudice in these stories. I'm reminded of Tonga, the Indian islander who has the poison darts in THE SIGN OF FOUR. He was also described as small, ugly, dark-skinned, and able to get in tiny places. These bias portrayals even reminded me of the razor-wielding orangatang in EA Poe's “Murders in the Rue Morgue.“ 4w

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Librarybelle This was another fast read. I‘m not familiar with the perception of Napoleon from Italians, since he is from Corsica, and I vaguely recall animosity between the two countries (I‘m not up on my European feuds unless they involve the Tudors). 1mo

Cuilin @Librarybelle yeah I thought this was a fast and good read also. It‘s interesting regarding Napoleon, as an Irish person it was a case of “an enemy of your enemy is your friend” so I think Napoleon was probably more popular in Ireland than in many parts of the world. lol (edited) 1mo

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Read4life I enjoyed this one. I vaguely remembered it from reading it years ago. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement I enjoyed it. The newspaper man so upset, concerned that he wouldn't get a chance to write about the interesting story because it happened to him, and he feared he was too shaken to write was a fun aspect. Then using the paper to place the culprit at ease to continue his search for the pearl was also entertaining. 1mo

CatLass007 I rarely am able to follow the clues Conan Doyle supplies. This time was different. I suspected that something was hidden in one of the busts and that the nationality of the person smashing them was a red herring. Of course, I didn‘t know what was hidden because the pearl was also a work of fiction by Conan Doyle. It‘s a nice change being able to keep up with Sherlock. 1mo

Cuilin @CatLass007 for some reason I thought there was going to be a map with clues inside the bust. 1mo

CatLass007 @Cuilin Ha! I think there‘s a reason they are called short stories. 1mo

dabbe A little late to the party this time around. After rereading this one, I remembered how I felt cheated a bit since none of us had any clue about a stolen pearl until Holmes was in the process of explaining how he solved it. Therefore, we basically had zero chance to solve the crime as far as knowing what was in the Napoleon busts. 4w

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The Adventure of the Six Napoleons | Arthur Conan Doyle

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The sherlockians next read, The Adventure of the Six Napoleons, is linked below (spoiler alert). Discussion will be this Saturday 11/23, lead by @Cuilin

Link: https://shorturl.at/Ni9Gt

dabbe Thank you! 🧡🍁🤎 1mo

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Hi, Sherlockians~
As always, great discussion on Saturday! Our next SH read, “(TAo) The Six Napoleons“, is linked below (spoiler alert). Discussion will be this Saturday, 11/23, and will be led by @Cuilin. Enjoy your Sunday!

Link: https://shorturl.at/Ni9Gt

Librarybelle Thank you! 1mo

dabbe @Librarybelle YW! ❣️ 1mo

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