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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Lion's Mane | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts?

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Cuilin @mollyanna @Tineke @Larkken @StayCurious @kimrenee @alldebooks @CogsOfEncouragement @catlass007 @CrystalE02 @curiouserandcurioser @Larkken @BeeCurious @Blackink_WhitePaper @Daisey @RayHallucinogen @Born.A.Reader @Chrissyreadit @Fr3NcHtOaSt @Anishalnkspill 5mo

Daisey I enjoyed this one, but it‘s also one that I solved fairly quickly. The title and the initial details seemed pretty clear. I was in no way disappointed that there wasn‘t actually a crime. 5mo

Librarybelle I was not disappointed it wasn‘t a crime, but I was surprised by the culprit. I‘m not up on my sea creature knowledge, so I had no clue that a jellyfish could resemble a lion‘s mane. 😂 5mo

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Cuilin @Daisey @librarybelle When I saw the title I‘ve got to admit that I thought of mushrooms and wondered if someone would be poisoned. (edited) 5mo

eeclayton @Librarybelle Same 😂 5mo

CatLass007 I think anyone who criticizes the story because there‘s no actual crime is missing the point that everyone thought it was a crime, including Holmes. 5mo

Cuilin @CatLass007 🎯 exactly!!! That‘s the mystery. 5mo

dabbe @Cuilin @Daisey @Librarybelle @eeclayton @CatLass007 Excellent observations, everyone! To me, this story proves that Holmes isn't just a crime solver; he's a true investigator, and his skills apply to scientific mysteries and not just human malice. Perhaps Doyle is daring to ask: “Must every villain be human? Can nature itself be the antagonist?“ In the world of conflicts, we have human vs. human, human vs. himself/herself/theirself, ⬇️ 5mo

dabbe human vs. society, and human vs. nature. Kudos to Doyle for giving us one with nature as the so-called villain. Perhaps this “eco-horror“ story could be seen as a precursor to movies like JAWS or THE BIRDS. I found it a refreshing take and bold experiment in the canon. And I can't believe we only have three stories left! 5mo

CogsOfEncouragement I agree with you all. A mysterious death requires answers and SH gets to the bottom of the matter. Entertaining short story. 5mo

CatLass007 I may not participate in next Saturday‘s discussion. I am having surgery on Friday and I have no idea how I will feel on Saturday. But I will catch up and I will keep you posted. 5mo

Cuilin @CatLass007 Hope all goes well. Let us know. 🤞for a speedy recovery. Jump in to a discussion whenever works for you. 5mo

Cuilin @dabbe Yes, I love this take. More horror than cozy In nature do we ever fully know what‘s out there? I can see someone after reading this story, in the 1920s, living near the Sussex Coast going “well, I‘m not swimming today!”. 5mo

dabbe @Cuilin IKR? 🩵🎯🩵 5mo

dabbe @Cuilin P.S. I just sent you an email regarding the possible Sherlock pastiche reads! 🤩😍🤩 5mo

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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Lion's Mane | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts?

@pageshifter @AnneCecilie @indoordame @librarybelle @theAromaOfBooks @Aimeesue @kelli7990 @5feet.of.fury @Read4Life @AnnR @mom2bugnbee @pageturner1 @eeclayton @erzascarletbookgasm @aroyse @dabbe

Cuilin @mollyanna @Tineke @Larkken @StayCurious @kimrenee @alldebooks @CogsOfEncouragement @catlass007 @CrystalE02 @curiouserandcurioser @Larkken @BeeCurious @Blackink_WhitePaper @Daisey @RayHallucinogen @Born.A.Reader @Chrissyreadit @Fr3NcHtOaSt @Anishalnkspill 5mo

Librarybelle As I said for the first question, Holmes‘s telling is more methodical. I actually found this easier to read. Holmes is thorough, and we can see his thinking throughout. 5mo

Cuilin @Librarybelle The two stories from Holmes POV are heavily criticised and considered dry. I agree with you. I think they‘re clear and easier to read. I love that we see him “show his work” 5mo

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eeclayton I think there's less “clutter“ with Holmes. Since he knows what he knows, there is no need to fill the narrative with red herrings, descriptive details or false theories, which are often used by Watson when he has no clue about the solution of a case. 5mo

CatLass007 @Librarybelle @Cuilin @eeclayton I agree with the three of you. When Holmes tells the story we get to see his thought processes and I find that much more enjoyable than going from Point A to Point C without going through Point B. It‘s actually easier for me to figure out things along with Holmes rather than having everything filtered through Watson. 5mo

dabbe @Cuilin @Librarybelle @eeclayton @CatLass007 Agree 💯 with all of your points. To me, Holmes's narration reads more like clinical nonfiction, whereas Watson's reads like dramatic fiction. I enjoy both, but I prefer the dramatic flair of Watson and like trying to figure out the puzzle through his eyes because he is usually lost like the reader is. Holmes's tone is clinical, intellectual, and detached. Watson's is dramatic, admiring of Holmes's ⬇️ 5mo

dabbe larger-than-life detective capabilities, and suspenseful. If Watson‘s stories are like watching Holmes perform on stage, “The Lion‘s Mane“ is like reading Holmes's private case notes—enlightening, but not as entertaining. 5mo

CogsOfEncouragement I was amused how the reader was not told of SH‘s guess because it was withheld via convo with the Inspector and SH refused to tell him prematurely. SH was writing directly to us for other parts of the account, and then kept us in the dark this way. 5mo

CatLass007 @CogsOfEncouragement I don‘t necessarily think that Holmes was keeping us in the dark. And I don‘t think it was a guess. I think he realized he needed a different theory. A theory is not a guess. This is in line with the clues that Holmes has and shares with us. Holmes realizes he doesn‘t have all the pieces yet and begins to do research based on something he read ages ago. 5mo

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Cuilin

The Adventure of the Lion's Mane | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes

Thoughts?

@pageshifter @AnneCecilie @indoordame @librarybelle @theAromaOfBooks @Aimeesue @kelli7990 @5feet.of.fury @Read4Life @AnnR @mom2bugnbee @pageturner1 @eeclayton @erzascarletbookgasm @aroyse @dabbe

Cuilin @mollyanna @Tineke @Larkken @StayCurious @kimrenee @alldebooks @CogsOfEncouragement @catlass007 @CrystalE02 @curiouserandcurioser @Larkken @BeeCurious @Blackink_WhitePaper @Daisey @RayHallucinogen @Born.A.Reader @Chrissyreadit @Fr3NcHtOaSt @Anishalnkspill 5mo

Librarybelle I liked this. Holmes‘s telling of the story is more methodical and laid out than a story told by Watson. The end was a surprise for me. 5mo

eeclayton I liked it, too. For me personally, Watson is a more enjoyable narrator, but it's interesting now and then to have a closer look at how SH himself is thinking. 5mo

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CatLass007 It made me sad that Holmes and Watson saw each other infrequently at this point in their lives. But I did like the narration by Holmes and I was unsurprised about the culprit in the murder. It was nice to hear Holmes admit he had been wrong when he thought the victim had not been in the water merely because his towel was dry. 5mo

Cuilin @CatLass007 A humble Holmes!! Who‘d a thought! 5mo

dabbe @Cuilin @LIbrarybelle @eeclayton @CatLass007 I believe this is the one story where we get a glimpse of Holmes's life in retirement. I loved the coastal setting and agree 💯 with @CatLas007 about missing the relationship between H & W. I did found it hard to grasp that Holmes is okay with doing nothing but beekeeping. This is the man who once took drugs because he couldn't handle idleness. But people do change over time--even our beloved detective. 5mo

CogsOfEncouragement I thought maybe the death was not by human hands. Then when the answer was revealed, I remembered SH began this tale by saying “soothing life of Nature” and realized that was certainly meant as foreshadowing. 5mo

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LitsyEvents

The Adventure of the Lion's Mane | Arthur Conan Doyle

Repost for @dabbe

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Interesting discussion on Saturday, Sherlockians. Can you believe we're down to our last FOUR stories? 😱 Next up: “(TAo The Lion's Mane“. Discussion will be on July 19th and will be led by @Cuilin. Hope your week goes well.

Original post - https://www.litsy.com/web/post/2883166

dabbe Thanks for posting! 💚 6mo

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dabbe

The Adventure of the Lion's Mane | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin @LitsyEvents

Interesting discussion on Saturday, Sherlockians. Can you believe we're down to our last FOUR stories? 😱 Next up: “(TAo The Lion's Mane“. Discussion will be on July 19th and will be led by @Cuilin. Hope your week goes well. 🩵

Link to summary and analysis (spoiler alert): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nR1U1fpvL5Nxwm-iBOH5jLM3tmWkbVpZ/view?usp=shari...

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Leftcoastzen

Sherlockian | Graham Moore

Thought of you @dabbe 🤩

dabbe Sheer awesomeness! Thanks for sharing. I now have it as a birthday wish! 😍 7mo

Leftcoastzen @dabbe yay! 👏🫶 7mo

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dabbe

The Disappearance of Lady Frances Carfax | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin
#LadyCarfax

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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eeclayton I wasn't happy with this ending at all. The lady clearly made a choice and it should have been respected. 9mo

CogsOfEncouragement Yeah…Almost like Doyle met his word count and said That‘s it for me! From other stories of how SH has acted, I fully expected him to stick around long enough to make sure she was set up safely somewhere again. This seems out of character to me. 9mo

Librarybelle Agreed, @eeclayton . This set off so many alarm bells. 9mo

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Cuilin At this point in the cannon I‘ve become accustomed to Sherlock‘s frantic energy in an investigation and then leaving at the end. It‘s not justice or closure he is interested in but the solving of a puzzle. 9mo

AnneCecilie I agree @eeclayton and @Librarybelle 9mo

eeclayton @Cuilin That's a great point. 9mo

dabbe @eeclayton @CogsOfEncouragement @Librarybelle @Cuilin @AnneCecilie ... all excellent points. The frustrating thing is that we only know Green's side of the story of his and L. Carfax's relationship. We never get to hear a peep from her, and we leave her in a drugged state with her STALKER! 😱 This is beyond brutal for Holmes, but I agree, @Cuilin, his only interest is the puzzle itself. Once it's solved, time to move on. Cold machine indeed. 9mo

CogsOfEncouragement @Cuilin @dabbe I always think of The Adventure of the Copper Breeches, about the governess who could find no work, so takes a horrible placement…and at the end of everything Watson accuses SH of not caring once the puzzle is solved, but then immediately mentions she found employment as head of a private school with considerable success. ⬇️ 9mo

CogsOfEncouragement IMO we are to conclude SH situated her there and took no credit for the doing so. This is for us to be “smarter than Watson” again to know this. I like to think that is how SH behaves. I respect your view on him as well. 9mo

Cuilin @CogsOfEncouragement that‘s so interesting, he often has information that he does not share with Watson therefore doesn‘t make it on the page then this is absolutely plausible. The question becomes why would Doyle not have his hero shine in this way? 9mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement Excellent point. In that story, it is highly plausible that Holmes did find a placement for her in BEECHES. In many other stories he shows acts of goodwill as well. IMO, though, not in this one. At all. Perhaps even our hero detective can have a bad hair day or story. 🤣 And my overall view of Holmes is that I am completely #sherlocked and always will be. I adore him, just not in this story. 9mo

CogsOfEncouragement @cuilin Do you think the original readers read the stories over and over, waiting for the next? Subscription wide book club? Doyle knew this? He dropped a couple hints about SH doing nice things and let the reader enjoy being in on the secret? Just like his relationship with Mrs. Hudson. I think SH did a BIG thing for her and SH & Hudson have a relationship W doesn‘t quite understand - but the reader can. Maybe? 9mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement I truly love to think and believe that and it continues to this day! All the Sherlockian clubs around the world prove that. And a lot of them reread the stories (as if they were real) and discuss every minute detail. I'd love to be a wallflower at a meeting of the Baker Street Irregular Society! 🤩 9mo

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dabbe

The Disappearance of Lady Frances Carfax | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin
#LadyCarfax

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle I thought Watson did well with the initial tracking! Holmes has more connections, so he would win any “who did it better” contest, but it‘s thanks to Watson that the investigation had progressed. 9mo

Cuilin They both ended up in the same place at the same time. Sherlock used his time to get background information, Watson kept on the trail. I think their methods complemented each other. 9mo

AnneCecilie I agree with both of you @Librarybelle and @Cuilin 9mo

dabbe @Librarybelle @Cuilin @AnneCecilie 🎯🎯🎯 to all your thoughts!
I guess I really had to suspend my disbelief in this one. How, based on Watson's description of Shlessinger and his wife, did Holmes automatically know he was “Holy“ Peters, “one of the most unscrupulous rascals that Australia has ever evolved?“ That seems a bit far-fetched for me. 9mo

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dabbe

The Disappearance of Lady Frances Carfax | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes @Cuilin

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

Daisey, erzascarletbookgasm, CogsOfEncouragement, AnneCecilie, Born.A.Reader, Aimeesue, Larkken, Librarybelle, mom2bugnbee, Chrissyreadit, Read4life, StayCurious, CatLass007, Mollyanna, curiouserandcurioser, eeclayton, dabbe, IndoorDame, kelli7990, TheAromaofBooks, 5feet.of.fury, Tineke, Fr3NcHtOaSt, Blackink_WhitePaper, RayHallucinogen, Pageturner1, PageShifter, AnnR, kimrenee, aroyse, CrystalE02

eeclayton In the Hound of the Baskervilles, something similar happened, but there I could see the reason behind sending Watson ahead. In this one, however, I don't think we get a satisfactory explanation. Also, Holmes makes these cruel, hurtful comments about W's blunders, which didn't amuse me at all. 9mo

Librarybelle It seemed odd to me that Holmes would send Watson off on his own—needed in the city? Oh please! While I didn‘t mind the story, I wonder why Conan Doyle wanted to write this one, in which we get a Watson who is scolded by Holmes and made to feel inferior. 9mo

Cuilin I wondered if Sherlock wanted to test and therefore show off a new disguise. It‘s easy to fool strangers but much harder for Sherlock to fool Watson who knows him well. 9mo

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CatLass007 I think Holmes‘s treatment of Watson was abominable. I don‘t know why Watson puts up with it. Why does Doyle write Holmes as such an ass?! 9mo

AnneCecilie It‘s not the first time Holmes has done it, is it a way to get information even if Watson doesn‘t know what‘s going on? 9mo

dabbe @eeclayton 🎯! Watson being the detective allowed Holmes to roam around those moors unnoticed. And Watson was able to help protect Baskerville, too.

And yeah, no satisfactory explanation here at all! And why did Holmes ultimately even show up when all the action at the end is in London? It's like he wanted to show up Watson to his face. He was a real arse in this one. 9mo

dabbe @Librarybelle It seems like Doyle was cranky writing it, doesn't it? Maybe he was at his I'm-really-tired-of-writing-about-Sherlock-but-I-need-the-money phase. 🤣 9mo

dabbe @Cuilin Ooh, good point! Holmes is quite the dramatist! It seems like a lot to go through (like traveling to France), but Holmes wouldn't mind those minor details in the least. 9mo

dabbe @CatLass007 IKR? Maybe he's pissed at Holmes because he's tired of having to create stories about him, but he really needs the money? Or he's mad because the public really only wanted to see stories of Holmes, not fairies or other things. 🧚 9mo

dabbe @AnneCecilie Good point! Watson is the innocent who is an excellent chronicler, so perhaps the information he discovers can be useful to Holmes--even though Watson wouldn't be able to interpret it like Holmes could. 9mo

AnneCecilie @dabbe Exactly, and it allows Holmes to do some investigation in London 9mo

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