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Detransition, Baby
Detransition, Baby: A Novel | Torrey Peters
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"An unforgettable portrait of three women, trans and cis, who wrestle with questions of motherhood and family making."--Andrea Lawlor, author of Paul Takes the Form of a Mortal Girl "Emotionally generous, richly textured, and deeply intelligent."--Claire Lombardo, New York Times bestselling author of The Most Fun We Ever Had Reese almost had it all: a loving relationship with Amy, an apartment in New York City, a job she didn't hate. She had scraped together what previous generations of trans women could only dream of: a life of mundane, bourgeois comforts. The only thing missing was a child. But then her girlfriend, Amy, detransitioned and became Ames, and everything fell apart. Now Reese is caught in a self-destructive pattern: avoiding her loneliness by sleeping with married men. Ames isn't happy either. He thought detransitioning to live as a man would make life easier, but that decision cost him his relationship with Reese--and losing her meant losing his only family. Even though their romance is over, he longs to find a way back to her. When Ames's boss and lover, Katrina, reveals that she's pregnant with his baby--and that she's not sure whether she wants to keep it--Ames wonders if this is the chance he's been waiting for. Could the three of them form some kind of unconventional family--and raise the baby together? This provocative debut is about what happens at the emotional, messy, vulnerable corners of womanhood that platitudes and good intentions can't reach. Torrey Peters brilliantly and fearlessly navigates the most dangerous taboos around gender, sex, and relationships, gifting us a thrillingly original, witty, and deeply moving novel.
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Kitta
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Mehso-so

⭐️⭐️⭐️💫

I think this is an important book, the messy emotions and queer family structure highlighted are all true, but I struggled with it a bit. Accepting the decisions the three of them had come to was … I didn‘t really believe it.

I saw myself a lot in Ames, their trauma, struggles with dissociation. It was hard to sit with and see on the page. I‘m not trans, but as a queer person I struggled a lot.

#readyoukindle
#lgbtqbookbingo2024

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Kitta
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#WhereAreYouMonday takes me to my current home city of NYC! I love reading about where I live or where I‘m going to travel.

The familiarity of the place and feeling you get when you have a deeper understanding of a place is something I love.

BarbaraBB Great post and illustration 1mo
kspenmoll I know how you feel. Love everything about this post! 1mo
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Kitta
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😂 Yes as someone who lives in NYC this is correct.

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Kitta
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Back on the train for an hour on the way to New Haven!

This has been on my kindle for a while so started it this morning!

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Robotswithpersonality
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Mehso-so

I think this book underlined my need to read more transgender people's memoirs.
There is a great deal of focus on transgender women's experiences and how the world interacts with and treats transgender women.
However, the book is also full of themes which are not my forte: 1/?

Robotswithpersonality 2/?
-stories where the main plot is all about relationships
-stories high in interpersonal drama
-stories focused on motherhood
-stories somewhat focused on traditional gender expression
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Robotswithpersonality 3/? I wanted to be more understanding of Reese, having an insight into her perspective, but she just kept making decisions I couldn\'t get behind. I felt some kinship with Ames\' ongoing questioning of how he wants to be perceived, how he identifies, what a prospective gender role like fatherhood brought up in him in relation to his time as a transgender woman, but there are aspects to his and Reese\'s past that emphasize and value aspects of 2mo
Robotswithpersonality 4/? traditional womanhood that I have my own issues with.
So BIG BIG disclaimer that my disengagement with the perspectives being offered is a subjective issue.

Based on reading previous memoirs written by those with very different life experiences from myself, instead of the fiction \'why did you make the character do that?!\' reaction, in non-fiction I think there\'s more space for understanding an individual\'s choices and actions when you know
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Robotswithpersonality 5/5 that narrative flourish is not a factor.
I would also like to find more stories with genres/themes I know I enjoy that feature significant transgender representation.
Recommendations welcome!

⚠️ infidelity, transphobia, verbal, psychological, physical domestic abuse
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Larkken Interesting points. Selfishly, as a woman I found reading about what made other people feel drawn to that gender representation to be eye-opening, but i agree that the women in this book are all in on motherhood and nurturing being a part of that representation. The last book I read that had transgender rep was YA horror, how do you feel about that? 2mo
Robotswithpersonality @Larkken I\'ve had more luck with horror YA than other types of YA, but I\'ll admit the synopsis for that rec including historical sanitarium time is likely to scare me off. There are aspects of history that I find too horrible to dwell on, even in fictional representations, though I assume the protagonist does well out of the circumstances. 🫣 Thanks for taking the time to make a suggestion! 2mo
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TheIntrovertedDodoBird
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Bailedbailed

I'm certainly in the vast minority of people who did not enjoy this book - I even opted to #hailthebail with little under a hundred pages to go as I found myself skimming whole paragraphs. I found the constant ping-pong of trump cards between the characters tiresome, all of whom I found obnoxious and unlikeable to the point of being exasperated by them. (1/?)

TheIntrovertedDodoBird There's no denying that Torrey Peter's is a superb writer, a worthy winner of the Women's Prize for Fiction on the merit of her skills as an gifted wordsmith and storyteller, penning a flirty, humorous story that's somehow dark and empowering in equal measure, but the pacing issues had a tendency to pull me out of the narrative. I found the chapters placed in the present far more engaging than the ones exploring the past. (2/?) 7mo
TheIntrovertedDodoBird I wish Katrina's POV was explored in greater detail as the only POC in the novel. Narratives revolving around motherhood (or parenthood, in general) aren't something I find myself reading. However, I did appreciate that motherhood was explored through various realistic avenues and especially appreciated the concept of the three-parent family and, more importantly, trans motherhood. (3/?) 7mo
TheIntrovertedDodoBird I found myself totally absorbed at the beginning, but my attention eventually waned and fizzled out entirely. I posed the question: Are you invested enough in this story to care about the conclusion? Unfortunately, I wasn't, and I'm of the mind that life is too short to force yourself to finish books you are not particularly finding engaging. (4/?) 7mo
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TheIntrovertedDodoBird Despite my criticism, Peter's has created something extremely original, and I especially loved how the novel didn't take an overly political standpoint and explored trans life in the distinction between 'being trans' and 'doing trans'. Here's hoping this is the rise of more trans voices being heard through literature 🏳️‍⚧️. 7mo
TheIntrovertedDodoBird Don't be dissuaded from checking this novel out for yourself, though, because it might just become one of your new favourites 🩵🤍🩷. (5/5) 7mo
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Emilymdxn
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I know I just said I was sick of angry, clipped-writing-style millennial books about women being angry with society, but maybe I should rephrase it to add ‘but only if they do it REALLY well‘. This isn‘t the kind of book I like much anymore but it was so so well executed, so thoughtful and original, so good at being both dark and funny and touching, that I couldn‘t not love it.

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ChaoticMissAdventures
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#TransRightsReadathon Day 4
Can't have a recommendation list w/o the Woman's Prize nom Torrey Peters!
A meditation on relationships, breakups, being trans, and what being a mother means. I do not normally read or enjoy motherhood books, but this 1 is fantastic. Reece is a dynamic character whose life is vivid and realistic. When her girlfriend detransitions and later calls to ask Reece to be the mother of his child she must decide what to do.

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mdemanatee
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Day 2 of the #transrightsreadathon. Not finished with book 1 yet (though loving!) but needed something digital to start right before bed last night.

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AllDebooks
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My selection of books to read for #transrightsreadathon starting today. For every book read, I will donate £5 to my chosen organisation, Mermaids. This amazing charity supports children and YA.

https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/

I will commit to reading after the 27th to increase my knowledge of trans rights and life.

#transrights #transrightarehumanrights #bookstagramuk #bookstagram #tbrlist #knowledgeispower

AllDebooks I have no experience in this area. Ignorance is a dangerous thing. To be able to fully support trans people, I must be more aware of the issues.

#transrights #transrightarehumanrights #bookstagramuk #bookstagram #tbrlist #knowledgeispower
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TheBookHippie 🏳️‍⚧️ 2y
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ontheBL
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Detransition, Baby by Torrey Peters is an important novel for so many reasons. It's one of the first novels published by an out trans woman by a big five publishing company. For this, her debut novel, Peters won the first ever nomination for a Women's Prize in fiction.

https://onthebl.org/2023/02/02/prevailing-impact-of-cishet-normativity-in-torrey...

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CarolynM
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#12Booksof2022 #May

I read four of the books on my #Top22of22 list in May. This challenging and thought provoking look at gender identity is the one that stands out most in my memory.

Andrew65 Definitely a hot topic at the moment, much of which as you say is thought provoking. 2y
Ruthiella I loved this book too. I‘m super curious to see what Peters writes next! 2y
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DLQBOOKNERD
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Panpan

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Nah.

SamAnne I lasted 25 pages. 2y
DLQBOOKNERD I struggled.... the end was lame. And I honestly thought the way the characters were portrayed was in poor taste for the Trans community. I had high hopes. 2y
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Taylor
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Pickpick

One of the best new novels I‘ve read. But one thing: there were moments when I felt nearly every character is a dickhead (jerk), and by the end I was outright laughing at how dumb they were being…. And I still kind of feel like they‘re jerks, though time has chilled me out on this view…I think it‘s pretty much undeniable.

Still though, that doesn‘t stop the book from being killer. And the characters‘ flaws make them human. (Mean though.)

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Taylor

I don‘t mean to be dramatic, but this is just the best book ever. If only they all could be this good.

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Taylor

Reese knows a lot of talented people—half the trans women in Brooklyn live in a state of perpetual pre-celebrity, awaiting a well-deserved recognition that will never come.

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ChaoticMissAdventures
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#manicMonday #LetterD @CBee
📚 Detransition, Baby
✍️ Cherie Dimaline
🍿 Death at a Funeral
🎤 Dean Lewis
🎶 Deliverance (Ry X)

CBee 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 2y
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Taylor

“When you get a divorce everyone expects you to provide a story to justify it. Every woman I‘ve ever met who has had a divorce has a story to explain herself. But in real life the story and actual reasons for the divorce diverge. In reality, everything is more ambivalent. My own reasons are closer to a tone than a series of causes and effects. But when I talk about it, I know people want a cause and effect, a clear WHY.”

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Sarahreadstoomuch
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Pickpick

I cannot wait for our book group meeting to discuss this book. Themes of gender identity, motherhood, family… all circle around Reese, a trans woman, her ex-lover Amy- now Ames as he has detransitioned, and Ames‘a pregnant lover Katrina. It suffers from pacing issues, but will live in my brain for a long time.

CarolynM I wish I‘d read it with a group - so much to discuss! 2y
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Jeg
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Mehso-so

Between a pick and a so so even though I didn‘t finish it. It was a bit too long for me. A great insight into trans life , what it means to be a parent. I volunteered many years ago on a queer counselling line. Part of training was meeting and talking with all sorts of people from the queer community. This book would have been good back then. We have come a long way but still a long way to go. 🌈🌈

CarolynM It would be a great book club book, lots to talk about. 2y
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mgschu
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Pickpick

maybe it‘s the covid brain, but i‘m not sure i loved this as much as everybody else did. would still recommend.

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tphil10283
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It‘s a good story about people that are more complicated than what I imagine most people are. Although, I‘m not sure I‘m imagining correctly. It‘s informative and gave me some different perspectives on things and I always enjoy any book that does that.

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Brooke_H
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Just so incredibly good. Maybe the best book I‘ve read this year? We‘ll see.

CarolynM A contender for best book I‘ve read this year too. 2y
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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#pridebookrec
T is for Trans
This is such a raw and heartfelt story. I don't read many books about motherhood but this one was excellent.
It is also the first book by a Trans author to be part of the Women's Prize for Fiction award.

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CarolynM
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Pickpick

Oh boy, what to say about this? From my very privileged position I feel totally unqualified to express an opinion about the issues it raises but I loved reading it & being given so many new things to think about in relation to gender identity, concepts of motherhood & the politics of queerness, both internal and external. Reese is such a vivid character she rather overshadowed the others but that is a small complaint.
#Doublespin

CarolynM @xicanti As a piece of queer literature does this book qualify for #gaymay? 2y
Alfoster Great review! That‘s exactly how I felt about it!👍 2y
CarolynM @Alfoster There‘s a lot that troubles me, but I keep coming back to the fact that I am & always have always been privileged. My ideas about gender & sexuality are a product of that privilege. I feel kind of humbled by the rawness & honesty of the book. 2y
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Ruthiella Great review! This book also really got under my skin. I also loved how messy and raw it was. (edited) 2y
CarolynM @Ruthiella Thanks, Ruth😘 I think it will stay with me for quite a while. 2y
Chelsea.Poole Great review! 2y
xicanti @CarolynM absolutely! 2y
LeahBergen What a great review! 2y
Jeg Sounds very much like something I‘d like to read. 2y
Cathythoughts I love your review 👍🏻 2y
squirrelbrain Fab review! I felt much the same about this book, but couldn‘t express myself as well as you do. 2y
TheAromaofBooks Great progress!! 2y
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honeydew_reader
Pickpick

I usually avoid queer books because I often feel disappointed and isolated by how little they reflect queerness as I experience it BUT this book captured every gory detail I didn't think to ever share: every pain, every kink, every hope.

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unreal
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The question, for Reese: Were married men just desperately attractive to her?

#firstlinefridays

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AFrostCauseReads
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Pickpick

Interesting and full of drama. Definitely for a mature audience who can handle more than the standard sex scenes. It also touches upon a lot of transgender topics - maybe even too many. At times, I felt like the author was cramming in too much. I found myself agreeing with a lot, but also opposed some view points.

And there‘s parts I don‘t know how to feel about. I‘m looking forward to my book clubs discussion (as long as everyone is respectful)

Ruthiella I loved the overstuffed drama of this book and the conflicting feelings it provoked. 3y
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paisleyjess
Pickpick

I missed the book club discussion about this one and I really wish I hadn't because there is a lot to unpack! It is interesting, informative and all heart.

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Liz_M
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Photo taken from a hill across from the picnic house in Prospect Park.

BarbaraBB That is so cool!! 3y
BkClubCare Whoa 2y
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JillR
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Pickpick

This was a very intense read. One I didn‘t always look forward to reading but was gripped by once I picked it up. A story of love, friendship and motherhood amidst the trans community; it made me uncomfortable at times, but feeling uncomfortable reading about something that is not your own experience is no bad thing.

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bekakins
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Pickpick

I can see why this has divided opinion, but I really enjoyed it! Some really fascinating insights…

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arlenefinnigan
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Pickpick

This is a fascinating book. The characters are both likeable and at times infuriating. It gets very messy. A really well written exploration of gender, motherhood and life not turning out how you wanted or expected.

CarolynM On my TBR 🙂 3y
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GerardtheBookworm
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Pickpick

Penned by a trans author, the novel is thought provoking and complex. Reese, a trans woman, breaks up with her girlfriend Amy, another trans woman, who is now detransitioning to a cis-male under the new name Ames. Complicating the situation is Ames impregnating his lover Katrina which changes the dynamic of family, love, sex, and relationships for everyone.

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AliD73
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I‘m not sure I can find the words to adequately describe how much I love this book and the effect it had on me. Parts of it made me laugh, parts of it made me cry, and parts of it made me question things I have been taught all my life about gender and relationships. I‘m glad I read this. In addition to being absorbed in and entertained by the story, I learned a lot. This novel is going to stay with me. Moving, thought provoking, outstanding!

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CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian
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The protagonist of this book, Reese, is one of those characters that I early on decided I would do anything for. I identified deeply and viscerally with Reese and her desire to be a mother, especially as I have recently become one. Peters' writing is brilliant: brutal honesty, keen insights, sharp jokes, nuanced characters, and thoughtful explorations of its themes of motherhood and trans community. This novel also has a perfect ending, IMHO.

Ruthiella I loved this book too. I totally look forward to Peter‘s follow up. 3y
CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian @Ruthiella Yeah, what will she follow this with?? 3y
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Addison_Reads
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I have done absolutely nothing today except stay in bed and read this entire book. Once I started, I couldn't stop.

Reese, Ames, and Katrina have taught me so much. My heart broke for each of them in different ways as they struggle with what being a woman, and what being a mother, means to them.

I'm thankful to authors like Torrey Peters who are brave enough to write books like this one.

Suet624 A great way to spend the day. 3y
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CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian
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"Heterosexual cis people, while willfully ignoring it, have staked their whole sexuality on a bet that each other's genders are real. If only cis heterosexuals would realize that, like trans women, the activity in which they are indulging is a big self-pleasuring lie" ???
#QueerBooks #LGBTQBooks #TransBooks

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arlenefinnigan
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#ReadHarder challenge 3: any book from the Women‘s Prize shortlist/longlist/winner list

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CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian
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I love starting a new book that I'm really excited about
#QueerBooks #LGBTQBooks #TransBooks

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KatieDid927
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kspenmoll Nice collection of books! 3y
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Djspens
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My girls know me so well, I‘m blessed with the best 🥰 #grammaslibrary #cozychristmas

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MicheleinPhilly
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Mehso-so

This is the epitome of a so-so read for me. There were times I loved it and times I hated it. It is messy and chaotic and sometimes confusing. I‘m glad that I read it and that it forced to me reckon with discomfort in a lot of ways but I‘m glad it is over.

TrishB That could exactly be my review. 3y
MicheleinPhilly @TrishB She‘s a talented writer and it certainly gave me a lot to think about but reading it felt laboring - no pun intended. 3y
BarbaraBB I know what you mean. She wanted too much in one book. 3y
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Lindy
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Sometimes an online author conversation has an intimate magic that isn‘t conceivable as a live onstage event. That‘s what the Calgary Wordfest event with Torrey Peters and Casey Plett was like: two trans women talking about craft, nurturing trans creativity, and about why they write work intended primarily for trans readers.

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kera_11
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This book is a beautiful conversation on queerness, transsexuality, fluidity, womanhood and motherhood. While I didn‘t love all portrayals in this book, I think it was an important narrative that trans people don‘t owe the world anything, they can be flawed, they can make bad choices, and they can choose to live as their authentic selves or not like everyone else. Not a plot driven book but very much worth a read. Pls look up trigger warnings.

BkClubCare Great points. I am glad that I read this. I thought it a fun and educational read. 3y
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Kazzie
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Good! Was really interesting and a deep look into an area of fiction that hasn‘t gotten wide stream attention. I liked that the ending was open to interpretation. I also really appreciated the frank discussions on motherhood and pregnancy

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Suet624
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Just in case anyone wants to hop on the VSC zoom call. October 14.

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