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East of Eden | John Steinbeck
A masterpiece of Biblical scope, and the magnum opus of one of Americas most enduring authors, in a commemorative hardcover editionIn his journal, Nobel Prize winner John Steinbeck called East of Eden "the first book," and indeed it has the primordial power and simplicity of myth. Set in the rich farmland of California's Salinas Valley, this sprawling and often brutal novel follows the intertwined destinies of two familiesthe Trasks and the Hamiltonswhose generations helplessly reenact the fall of Adam and Eve and the poisonous rivalry of Cain and Abel.The masterpiece of Steinbecks later years, East of Eden is a work in which Steinbeck created his most mesmerizing characters and explored his most enduring themes: the mystery of identity, the inexplicability of love, and the murderous consequences of love's absence. Adapted for the 1955 film directed by Elia Kazan introducing James Dean, and read by thousands as the book that brought Oprahs Book Club back, East of Eden has remained vitally present in American culture for over half a century.
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This purchase was based on your lovely suggestions for classic books! Does anyone have any mystery book suggestions? I love the Sherlock Holmes series!

CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian Have you read The Moonstone by Wilkie Collins? A mystery written in the 19th century that I remember quite enjoying. 1w
Croissonter East of Eden has been in my TBR for so long, maybe your post was for a reason! (edited) 1w
OrtizReads1 @CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian I haven‘t read it, but I‘ll pick it up! Thanks! 1w
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OrtizReads1 @Croissonter it‘s a sign! Happy reading! 📖💙 1w
jewright I love both of these! Jane Eyre is another favorite classic. 1w
Scochrane26 I love the Lady Sherlock series, & I recently read The Vanished Bride (Bronte sisters as detectives). 1w
OrtizReads1 @jewright That book has been on my TBR forever!! Definitely reading that book this year! 📚 1w
OrtizReads1 @Scochrane26 That sounds awesome I‘ll look up the series! Thanks 1w
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One of the greatest books of classic literature. MUST READ

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Better late than never!!! Shown above- my Summer reads for #booked2019 📚

Genre Busting- Belief is it‘s Own Kind of Truth, Maybe
Muslim author- Modern Romance
Book to Movie- East of Eden
Comic/Graphic Novel- Poem Strip
Book gifted to you- Little Boy Lost
Diverse Middle Grade- Brown Girl Dreaming

BarbaraTheBibliophage Nice group! 📚♥️👊🏻 4w
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Not ones for book groups my wife and I are trying out a his and hers book club.

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Awesome read

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I'm thoroughly enjoying this read.
How esquisite does this man write?!

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Hey @ljuliel !

This is my emotional book - I actually haven‘t read it yet! But this edition was the first present my partner ever gave me. I couldn‘t read it then cause I was so busy studying. We split up and I gave it to my mum to hide as I was so heartbroken. When we got back together my mum and I couldn‘t find it anywhere. I finally found it in my mums basement earlier this year just in time to bring it when me and Matt moved in together ❤️

ljuliel Isn‘t that the neatest story ever ? I‘m glad you guys were able to get back together and you found the book. I don‘t know a blooming thing about him, other than he has really good taste in books. That‘s a really good one. ! Are you gonna read it now ? 3mo
Emilymdxn @Lgugliel I am! Although I really don‘t want to bend or damage it so I keep being nervous to start it! I always worry it‘s gonna get damaged in my backpack or dropped in a puddle 3mo
rubyslippersreads That is such an unusual cover. 3mo
wanderinglynn What a lovely story to go with the book. ❤️ 3mo
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Thanks for the tag @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks 🤗💕
1. Living: Anne Tyler, of course. No longer with us: John Steinbeck
2. For Anne: I‘d love to hear about her writing life and the real-life quirky people who inspired all her quirky characters. For John: I‘d pick his brain about why he wrote the tagged book and who Cathy really represents. 🤔
3. Enough to open a small store! 🤣📚
4. @PurpleyPumpkin @TheAromaofBooks @Nevermore88
Rock on @Eggs 🤗

ImperfectCJ John Steinbeck is a great one! I'd love to talk with him about his time with Doc and what he thinks about how the Monterey Peninsula has changed. 3mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks #3 let‘s open one together 🤣🤣 (edited) 3mo
Eggs Anne Tyler‘s a great writer! 3mo
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TheAromaofBooks Oh thank you for the tag!! It has been a busy day today. Also, I am hoping to mail your swap box on Friday!! 3mo
PurpleyPumpkin I missed this yesterday! But thanks for the tag. 😊 I, too, could open a small bookstore. 😂Hope you‘re doing well! 3mo
UwannaPublishme @ImperfectCJ Oh, those are great questions, too! I‘d need a week with him to ask all my questions. 😆 3mo
UwannaPublishme @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Can we rent a space big enough? 🤣🤣🤣 3mo
UwannaPublishme @Eggs Totally agree! 🙌🏻 3mo
UwannaPublishme @TheAromaofBooks Hang in there! Hope your Grandpa is doing better. Don‘t worry about the swap box. Whatever works best for you, works for me. 🤗💕 3mo
UwannaPublishme @PurpleyPumpkin Hey my friend! Hope you‘re having a great November, and it‘s not too cold yet over there. Looks like you, me and @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks would have enough stock for quite a store! 🤣📚📚📚 3mo
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @UwannaPublishme yes!!!! But could we part with them?! 🤣🤣🤣 3mo
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1. Just one???? Lol
2. Socks! All the time
3. 14,260 feet Mount Evan's, Colorado
4. Cilantro or mint
5. I don't think so

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In case you missed the #EoE readalong earlier in the year, it‘s a #Kindledeal today. Also, I am *very* late in passing along this DVD so kindly sent to me by @UwannaPublishme 🙁 I‘d be happy to mail it on to any Litten who wants to see it. Just leave a comment if you‘re interested.

UwannaPublishme 😘😘😘 3mo
LeahBergen I just received a surprise parcel from you!!! 😍😍👏🏻👏🏻😍😍👏🏻👏🏻 Is it for my birthday?? Do I wait?? 😍😍👏🏻👏🏻😍😍👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
rubyslippersreads @LeahBergen Yes, you have to wait, Birthday Girl! 😄🎂 3mo
LeahBergen @rubyslippersreads I‘m being good! 😆 Thank you so much!! 😘😘 3mo
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#FallIsBooked - Orange Cover: I like the orange Penguin Classics...possibly called the Vintage Popular Orange Penguin Classics. I don‘t know what they are actually called. The one thing that I know is that I can‘t order them so when The Penguin Orange Collection came out I was overjoyed. The collection is small - twelve books. These are the titles that I have so far! I still yearn for the plain orange editions, but not at such high intensity!🙃

Caroline2 These are beautiful books!! 😍 4mo
OriginalCyn620 Love these! 🧡🧡🧡 4mo
Leftcoastzen So nice! 4mo
Latrelwhite Love those! 3mo
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So I‘m moved into my first place in London (well with roommates so not just ours but still)! My bf unfortunately has flu so won‘t be able to join me today, it‘s just me for a bit😕 I‘ve spent the day getting everything sorted and here are all of the books I‘ve brought! It‘s a quite small room and I won‘t have a bookcase til next week so two piles on the desk is how I‘m getting started. It‘s all very new and exciting and a bit scary but here I am

AmyRebecca What an exciting time for you! 4mo
CarolynM That is so exciting! All the best to you💕 4mo
BookwormishMe Congrats!!! 4mo
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#7days7covers #covercrush Day 6

Play along! Post a cover you love every day for a week, no explanation. Tag another Litten inviting them to join...if you can keep track of who is/isn't already playing then I seriously commend you!

Lcsmcat Ooooh, great cover! 4mo
Nute Nice! 4mo
KathyWheeler That‘s a great cover for that book! 4mo
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LiterRohde 🧡 4mo
gradcat This is great ♥️ 4mo
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emilyhaldi ❤️ 5mo
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Fantastic book! I went through a constant roller coaster of emotions and am really looking forward to discussing this book in person with my readalong buddy tomorrow.

KathyWheeler I participated in a buddy read with that book recently. It was so much fun and I loved the book! 5mo
Morr_Books @KathyWheeler Such a great book for a readalong- especially since it is divided into Books. Glad you enjoyed it too! 5mo
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My current situation.


Tanisha_A Love the bookmark! 5mo
Bookzombie Thanks! It‘s from my library. 5mo
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Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Beautiful photo ❤️ 5mo
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Cruised through this classic while on vacation, it was heart crushing and so lovely. Also probably the most picturesque background for a book pic ever! 😂 #classic #Steinbeck #eastofeden #grandtetons

julesG Great picture, indeed! 6mo
dgingo Gorgeous backdrop! 6mo
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“You can boast about anything if it‘s all you have.”

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Got my 2nd goal of #24in48 completed by finishing Part 3 of East of Eden for a readalong that discusses this week and then took a #readathon break to go watch Bayern Munich and Real Madrid play. Now back to reading! @24in48

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Look at the great #litsymail that just arrived from @UwannaPublishme 😍 I‘m dying to watch the Jane Seymour version of #EoE and compare it with the James Dean movie. The vintage book is gorgeous, as is the bookmark peeking out of Travels With Charley. And for those of you unfamiliar with Dark Shadows (see card in upper right), Angelique is the evil witch—though maybe not quite as evil as Cathy. 😂 Thanks so much, Donna!

UwannaPublishme Yay! Glad the package arrived in record time and made you smile. Ha! Yes, Angelique and Cathy could certainly be sisters. 😂 What fun to geek out with a fellow Dark Shadows fan. Looking forward to comparing notes on the EOE films. 🤗❤️ 6mo
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I really enjoyed this book; Steinbeck is a wonderful writer. I tend to think of his work as heavy and dense, but it‘s really not that way at all; quite the opposite. In some places, the Cain & Abel analogy was a bit too heavy handed, but overall, East of Eden is a great book. Thanks for doing the #eoe buddy read, @Cinfhen ! I‘ve been putting this book off for years and now I‘ve finally read it and loved it.

Cinfhen I had a very similar experience!! I was initially feeling like I would be weighed down from Steinbeck‘s writing but I ended up really enjoying my time reading this book, glad you did as well 😃 6mo
KathyWheeler @Cinfhen I‘m going to read the other one I‘ve put off for years — (edited) 6mo
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I spent all day cleaning my closet and putting new bedding and curtains in my bedroom. Now I‘m settling down and I‘m going to try to finish this — my vacation interrupted my reading of it for the #eoe buddy read. I‘ve got about 100 pages left, if that.
#bookfitnesschallege #bfcr2
Walking = 2.27 miles
Eating = good — lots of veggies and healthy protein
Other = can I count all that cleaning? It slap wore me out!😄
@wanderinglynn @Emilymdxn

wanderinglynn Way to go! 🙌🏻 And of course you count cleaning—it‘s definitely a workout! 6mo
KathyWheeler @wanderinglynn It really was! Now I can find things in my closet though, so I‘m happy. 😊 6mo
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Megabooks Great job! I‘d count cleaning!! 6mo
cobwebmoth I think cleaning definitely counts! 6mo
TheEllieMo Cleaning definitely counts! Good job! 6mo
Emilymdxn Amazing! And cleaning 100% counts you were up and about moving things around. Sounds like a super productive day you definitely deserve your reading time! 6mo
RachelO Sounds like a massively productive day! 6mo
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Rec by Stephen Jackson, somewhat stressful

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Can‘t believe I hadn‘t read Steinbeck before this year. An epic story of good and evil and the choice we have in the type of person we become. Found the character of Cal to be one of the most fully realized and interesting, and was drawn into the Trask and Hamilton families. Some weaknesses esp with flat portrayal of the women w/ exception of Abra. Loved Lee and the empathy he brought to all. Lots to think about.

Blaire Thanks @cinfhen for making this a #buddyread. It really enhanced the experience. Thank you to @mrp27 @batsy @erzascarletbookgasm @UwannaPublishme and many others I‘m forgetting to tag for the insightful discussion. @Kalalalatja (edited) 6mo
batsy Nice review! I agree with your assessment about the characterisation. 6mo
emilyhaldi Fabulous characters ❤️❤️❤️ 6mo
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erzascarletbookgasm Very interesting characters! I‘ll miss Lee. 6mo
mrp27 Great review! 6mo
Cathythoughts It‘s that beautiful view again. I never get tired of seeing it ♥️ 6mo
Blaire @batsy @emilyhaldi @erzascarletbookgasm he knows how to write some memorable people. 😍 6mo
Blaire @mrp27 thanks! 6mo
Blaire @Cathythoughts glad to hear it! I read out here almost every night. 6mo
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Pre-bedtime reading. Finishing up #eoe if I can stay awake and drinking lemon-ginger tea out of my new litsy mug. Perfect way to wrap up a monday. Thanks @Litsy @TimSpalding

Chelsea.Poole Awesome! 6mo
Crazeedi Where can I get a mug?? 6mo
Litsy @Crazeedi So far, they're strictly prizes we've given out for photo contests and the like, but we hope to make them available on the LibraryThing (Litsy's sister site) Store soon! (edited) 6mo
Cathythoughts Fab pic... loving the Litsy mug 😍 6mo
Crazeedi @Litsy thanks for info! Guess I need to win a prize somehow!😉 6mo
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The makings of a nice Sunday morning. Being outside, coffee, nytimes, bujo, and my planned reading. Hoping to finish #eoe today so I can read the discussion from Friday! #selfcare

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Wow! I'm late for the close of the #EoE party, but I finally finished the book tonight. I would never have picked it on my own if @Cinfhen hadn't done the #buddyread & I'm glad I jumped in. I got hooked after the first 60 pages & had to see how this epic saga ended. Still working it over in my mind & headed to the last set of discussion questions now. The questions & group's perspectives helped me get so much more out of the story. Mahalo Cindy!😘

Cinfhen With pleasure, always 💕💕 6mo
Cinfhen I‘ve enjoyed reading all of your comments🤓 I agree reading with the group really elevated this novel from good to great!!! Looking forward to our next one and so glad you were able to join us😘 6mo
bookandbedandtea I love that map! 📍 6mo
rkeo I read this book in high school, and it's stuck with me ever since. 6mo
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#LilithJuly I still have East of Eden on my brain because when I saw today‘s prompt #LoveFool my first thought was Adam Trask. Adam falls head over heels in love with the wickedest female ever! Because of spoilers, I won‘t share the details but trust me....Cathy Ames is seriously disturbed!!!! And Adam aka #LoveFool is completely blinded to her evil and demented ways. This was a gripping read with an incredible group of buddy readers!!! #EoE

DebinHawaii Excellent pick! I just finished the book about 15 minutes ago. Better late than never! 😉Heading to the discussion questions next. Thanks again for picking it. I was hesitant at first but it was an interesting read & a great experience! 🤗💜 6mo
KarenUK Perfect 👌💕 6mo
Daisey Great choice for this prompt! 6mo
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UwannaPublishme Nailed it! 😊👌🏻 6mo
erzascarletbookgasm Great pick! 👍 6mo
Reviewsbylola Adam is the poster boy for love fool. Get your life together Adam!!! 6mo
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#Unpopular opinion: I didn't like it. The writing felt flat and there was a lot of telling rather than showing. The characters seemed more like archetypes than real people. There was a lot of speechifying that I found off-putting. I think the theme was interesting, but it felt to me that the characters and story were in service to it, rather than it emerging from the story, if that makes sense. Thanks for the buddy read @Cinfhen #EoE 👇

CarolynM I'm off to look at the discussion questions now 6mo
suvata Not every book is for every person. Personally, Steinbeck is one of my favorites. 6mo
Cinfhen I LOVE an #unpopularopinion 🙌🏻I see what you‘re saying and your criticism is valid. I don‘t think this is the perfect novel or THE GREAT AMERICAN novel that Steinbeck thought it was, but it was definitely engaging, thought provoking and held my interest all 600 pages. So that makes it a TOTAL pick for me. Plus all the discussions really elevated my enjoyment. Thanks for joining in. 6mo
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CarolynM @Cinfhen I certainly don't think it's bad and I wasn't bored which is why it's a so-so not a pan. I think I just don't find Steinbeck's characters very sympathetic (I hated ALL of them in The Grapes of Wrath). 6mo
Cinfhen I think I‘m ready to revisit GoW! I haven‘t read it since HS and I HATED it back then 6mo
batsy I'm with @Cinfhen I love this unpopular opinion, as well 😁 A lot of your criticism rings true for me but I found it engrossing, all the same. The narrative pulled me in and I became invested in certain characters. I found the speechifying asides quite tiresome, as well. 6mo
Kalalalatja I definitely agree about the characters feeling like archetypes, and the telling, not showing. I‘m glad there are some suffering opinions, it makes for livelier discussions 👍 6mo
Susannah It‘s strange how a significantly flawed book can still get a high rating. I see a lot of what you‘re talking about, and I had my own issues with the Steinbeck family thread, which I felt was shoehorned in with the Trask‘s story, but I still gave it four stars. Reading is so subjective, isn‘t it? Great review! 6mo
jillrhudy I can't stand Steinbeck! I feel like it's a character flaw or something! Melville either! 6mo
rubyslippersreads You‘re not alone. I gave it a “pick” because it (mostly) held my interest, but it left me feeling that I need a palate cleanser like Betsy-Tacy or Anne of Green Gables. 😊 (edited) 6mo
RaimeyGallant Great review. I love the word speechifying. I'm going to use it in a sentence today. 6mo
UwannaPublishme Yay for your #unpopularopinion! Really appreciate your honesty. I agree it wasn‘t a perfect novel, but this Steinbeck fan was deeply engrossed in the story and the symbolism. And our provoking discussions doubled the pleasure! 6mo
erzascarletbookgasm I agree about the archetype characters..some parts are like lecture notes to me, but it held my interest to the end. 6mo
mrp27 Great review and I can see your points! 6mo
Ruthiella *breathes a sigh of relief* I disliked this book too! I found the biblical parallels OTT and Cathy too one dimensional! I liked GoW better but mainly as a historical perspective of America‘s ugly history. 6mo
CarolynM @Ruthiella I liked the bits of GofW that described the general situation but I HATED the characters and couldn't have cared less what happened to them. 6mo
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My favourite #OrangeAndBlack books have to be this #PenguinClassic #Orange edition! I've only one out of this stack, but I can't wait to read them all! Thinking of East of Eden next ...Which one would you suggest for me to read next?
#Classics #Pebguinbooks #ClassicsRead #booknerd #bookhaul #bibliophile

BarbaraJean Soooo pretty!! 😍 I‘d recommend East of Eden—my favorite of what I‘ve read by Steinbeck, and a perfect summer chunkster read! 6mo
BooknerdsLife @BarbaraJean Awww Thank you🥰💖 I love Steinbeck‘s writing too & this one is definitely on top of my TBR too 😊 Great idea of a summer read 🙌🏼 Thanks 😘 6mo
CarolynM @Cinfhen has just finished up a buddy read of East of Eden. You might be interested in the discussions when you've read the book. #eoe (edited) 6mo
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LiterRohde My vote would be for Lovecraft. 6mo
BooknerdsLife @CarolynM Awww Thank you for the hashtag 🙌🏼💖 I didn‘t realise there was a buddy read til it was too late. But will definitely look into the discussions when I read it. :) xx 6mo
BooknerdsLife @LiterRohde That would be my second choice 😄👍🏼 Been wanting to reading for years! 6mo
DivineDiana 🙋‍♀️ 6mo
BooknerdsLife @DivineDiana 👍🏼💗 6mo
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Finished about a week ago? WOW. What an amazing storyteller! My first Steinbeck. Won't be my last.

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Question 7 Part 4
Share your final thoughts about #EoE❣️
What book should we read next?

sisilia Buddenbrooks 💖 6mo
Cinfhen @sisilia I‘m not familiar with that book but it sounds AWESOME!!!!! 6mo
sisilia It has been in my TBR list for ages @Cinfhen Not sure if @batsy has read it; I remember it was in her TBR, too 😃 6mo
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batsy @sisilia Yup, still TBR and has been for ages as well 😆 6mo
CarolynM @sisilia I hadn't heard of it either but it certainly sounds interesting. 6mo
mrp27 Although flawed a great story so happy I finally read it. I must say its ruined the movie for me. I used to love it and now I don't think I do anymore. I need to see it again soon to compare. (edited) 6mo
staci.reads The Tennant of Wildfell Hall (Bronte), Alias Grace (Atwood), Lonesome Dove (McMurtry), Native Son (Wright)have all been on my tbr for a long time. This could be motivation to start one 6mo
staci.reads I really enjoyed reading East of Eden. I struggled with his issues with female characters, and as I've mentioned, I struggled with his mash up of fiction and family history. Still, the book was engaging and there were some great characters. Thanks @Cinfhen for hosting this! I appreciate the motivation to finally pick this one up! 6mo
UwannaPublishme Despite the flaws, I enjoyed the depth of Steinbeck‘s style and storytelling. My life has been enriched after meeting Samuel and Lee. Cathy, well, her lack of conscience will still haunt me for some time. 😱 Now I must watch the movies! 6mo
UwannaPublishme I have so many classics on my TBR. Maybe we need to take a Steinbeck rest and choose a female author next time? 6mo
UwannaPublishme @Cinfhen Applause to you for being the best organizer and host! 🙌🏻🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻 And much gratitude to you and our amazing group. You all made this such a memorable read. 🤗🙌🏻 6mo
Cinfhen Awwww, thank you @UwannaPublishme this was a GREAT GROUP of readers!!! I‘d love to read Alias Grace @staci.reads @batsy @sisilia @mrp27 @CarolynM with all of you and the others!!! 6mo
rubyslippersreads I loved the group read, but I didn‘t love the book. Interesting and hard to put down in places, but most of it was too sordid and unhappy for my taste. But @Cinfhen did a fabulous job of leading us, and I look forward to another read with this great group! 😊 6mo
CarolynM Thanks again for the buddy read @Cinfhen and the excellent questions. I've really enjoyed the discussions @batsy @UwannaPublishme @staci.reads @rubyslippersreads @Simona @Susannah @Reviewsbylola @mrp27 @sisilia @erista thank you all (I hope I haven't missed anyone out). One thing I wanted to ask, does anyone know who are the three men he references in chapter 34? I feel like I'm meant to know who he means but I can only guess. 6mo
mrp27 I'm in for Alias Grace. 6mo
Susannah I am so happy finally to have read East of Eden, and I loved having all of you discuss it with. Thank you! As for hefty books I‘d love to take on as a buddy read, I‘ve been thinking of both The Portrait of a Lady and An American Tragedy. Apparently, summer is my favorite season for American classics. 😊 6mo
Cinfhen I‘m so happy you joined the buddy read @Susannah @rubyslippersreads and I look forward to our next one.....which probably won‘t be until November 😂😂😂I‘m traveling most of the summer and September is always a busy time and I have my parents staying with me in October so..... we shall see 6mo
Cinfhen I need to go back and look @CarolynM you‘ve peeked my interest ( chapter 34) I‘m also still wondering why he said the letter written in Part One is the “key to the novel” 🤔🤔🤔 6mo
UwannaPublishme @rubyslippersreads Since you have a DVD player, I can send you the Jane Seymour version if you want to watch it. 6mo
DebinHawaii Even with its faults, it was a quite the epic story & overall a pick for me. I'm very glad to have read the book as I don't think I would ever have done it on my own. The discussions had much to do with it as I got so much more out of it than I would have reading it by myself so mahalo to everyone & especially to @Cinfhen for being a fabulous host. (And I too would love a chunkster from a female author for the next one.) 🤗 6mo
rubyslippersreads @UwannaPublishme I‘m dying to watch it! Thanks so much! My email is rubyslippersreads@yahoo.com 6mo
rubyslippersreads @DebinHawaii You summed up my feelings perfectly! 6mo
UwannaPublishme @CarolynM Couldn‘t find anything about the 3 men in the Steinbeck journal or bio. In online discussions, these names were thrown around: 1. Rockefeller and Carnegie. 2. Hearst and Hitler and 3. FDR. We can only guess! 6mo
CarolynM @UwannaPublishme Thanks for looking. I thought of Carnegie and FDR but wasn't sure if they really fit and I didn't have anyone for 2 (was only thinking of Americans) 6mo
erzascarletbookgasm I can see how this is considered to be epic or ambitious piece of work by Steinbeck, even though there‘re some weaknesses but I enjoyed it overall. Thanks for the brilliant questions @Cinfhen and the discussions by the buddy readers were fantastic! 6mo
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Question 6 Part 4

What is the significance of Adam‘s dying words to Cal?

CarolynM I'm not sure. I don't think I really understood the full significance of the "timshel" thing. Maybe that everyone makes their own choice - one person's choice may affect someone else, but what they do in response is their choice. So I guess he meant that going to war was Aaron's choice, not Caleb's. 6mo
mrp27 I'm undecided. I like to think it was Adam's way of saying he forgave Cal as we all make our own choices. But was he referring to Aaron's choice to enlist or to Cal's choice to drive him to enlist? Can go either way. (edited) 6mo
Cinfhen I think you‘re both correct @mrp27 @CarolynM by saying “Timshel” Adam was letting Cal know that we are all in charge of our own destinies and our own actions and the bigger gift was to let cal know the internal struggle (his moral inheritance ) about being born evil was something he had the power to change/overcome. That he was inherently good and his mother‘s genes didn‘t have to dictate his life. 6mo
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UwannaPublishme @Cinfhen Well said! I‘m hoping that Adam also chose this symbolic word to acknowledge his own shortcomings in the choices he made as a father to both boys. 6mo
UwannaPublishme Did anyone else think of the word “Rosebud” while reading this last chapter? 😆 6mo
rubyslippersreads @CarolynM @mrp27 @Cinfhen @UwannaPublishme I think you‘re all right about why Adam chose that word, but does Cal know about all the previous discussions, or is Lee going to have a lot of explaining to do? 6mo
mrp27 @UwannaPublishme I'm a classic movie junkie, loved Citizen Kane, and that's exactly what I thought! 🤣🤣 (edited) 6mo
mrp27 @rubyslippersreads Lee definitely has lots of explaining to do! 6mo
UwannaPublishme @mrp27 😁🛷👍🏻 6mo
DebinHawaii @UwannaPublishme 🤣🤣🤣Total 'Rosebud' moment. I took Adam's 'timshel' after Lee's pleading with him to set Cal free was that Adam forgave him but that Cal needed to choose to be free from the guilt & forgive himself. 6mo
UwannaPublishme @DebinHawaii You make a great point about the ending. Self-forgiveness is the key. 👍🏻 6mo
Blaire @DebinHawaii finally finished and agree with this and @cinfhen assessment. So much of parts 3 and especially 4 were about free will and genetics not deciding destiny. 6mo
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Question 5 Part 4
How is Abra influential in the novel? Why are Lee, Aron & Cal all drawn to Abra?

Reviewsbylola Abra kind of annoyed me tbh. I am not sure why. I feel like maybe she became such a large part of the story so quickly that I just never was able to come around to her. 6mo
batsy I wonder if Abra was presented as a kind of maternal figure, or rather that was what she represented to them. To Aron it was that weird Oedipal maternal thing maybe, to Cal also but as a challenge to him as well. I don't know. Steinbeck can't even write a young female character without making her seem vaguely sexually manipulative 😐 If he removes sex from the picture when writing about a woman, he makes the woman wholly pious and good (Liza). 6mo
batsy 👆🏽 Which is why I wish there was more of Dessie! 6mo
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sisilia That‘s well put @batsy She is the missing female figure in the family 6mo
Cinfhen I had that similar feeling @Reviewsbylola she was introduced so late in the novel and then became so central to the plot. She was definitely a plot device but @batsy makes a good point. She was the “maternal” figure the boys were missing, even Lee was raised without a mother. 👇🏼 6mo
Cinfhen Abra also had an unscrupulous father but she chose to use his weaknesses to better herself unlike Adam and Aron who couldn‘t deal with their parents sins. 6mo
CarolynM Get out of my head @batsy ? we are in agreement again. As I said before I didn't like his treatment of the female characters - even Dessie had to die a horrible premature death! I liked Abra but I think her purpose was to be the "real" woman - not perfect but not evil. (edited) 6mo
mrp27 I agree as well that Abra was the maternal figure and she was Cathy's opposite, the yin to the yang the good vs evil. 6mo
Cinfhen Yes, @CarolynM Abra was meant to be the combination of good & evil coexisting harmoniously 6mo
batsy @CarolynM Haha 😆 If I read another one of Steinbeck's big books in the future I'll definitely be paying close attention to how the female characters are treated 🧐 6mo
UwannaPublishme Great points again from all! Abra could have had more impact to the story if Steinbeck ditched the stories about his mother and developed Abra‘s character and background much earlier. 6mo
staci.reads @batsy Yes. You nailed what I had been feeling about the female characters. 6mo
rubyslippersreads @batsy @CarolynM I could read a whole book about Dessie (though perhaps written by someone other than Steinbeck. 😏) (edited) 6mo
DebinHawaii The whole "mother" scene under the willow with Abra & Aron really skeeved ??me out. I do think she was good for Cal but like most of you, I didn't form an attachment. 6mo
mrp27 @DebinHawaii I agree, that was a little creepy! 6mo
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Question 4 Part 4
How does inheritance—financial and moral—feature in the novel?
Why does Adam reject Cal‘s gift?

Reviewsbylola Ugh, Adam rejecting the gift, especially in the way he did, really bummed me out. Knowing how much the gift meant to Cal, I really wanted Adam to show more appreciation. I think it highlighted how misunderstood Adam and Cal were to one another. Cal just wanted his father‘s love an acceptance but neither of them knew how to get or give that to one another. 6mo
erista I think Adam rejected Cal‘s gift because it was never about the money for him and he didn‘t like the way it was earned. Cal was so genuine and enthusiastic about giving his father back what he lost. It‘s a shame they couldn‘t find some common ground and have a better relationship. 6mo
batsy I was angry with Adam when he rejected the gift. I can totally understand why he did it; it's the how of it that annoyed me. #TeamCal Adam's head is still stuck in the clouds, even after his conversation with Cal about having been to prison, etc. One would think he would have a better sense of how Cal is, and realise that Cal too is deeply sensitive. But he favoured Aron instead, Aron who is just like his father in wanting to escape the world. 6mo
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CarolynM Again, I'm agreeing with @batsy . What bothered me most, though, was that Adam had obviously never talked about his view of the world, his moral compass, with his sons. 6mo
Cinfhen I was so disappointed with Adam. His rejection of the gift proved to me, he hadn‘t learned anything about human nature. Seeing what the rejection did to Charles when he like Cal, offered a gift to his father from a place of love and even innocence was so infuriating @CarolynM @batsy @erista @Reviewsbylola 👇🏼 6mo
Cinfhen I also found it interesting that Cal earned his money “honestly” through business smarts but Adam found his profit money tainted. Whilst he had no problem taking the inheritance left to him from his father (and Charles) although he suspected that his father‘s wealth was gained from stealing! And even Aron who rejected his father accepted the money given to him from Cathy ( which was definitely earned from illegal means) 6mo
Cinfhen I‘m totally #TeamCal @batsy ♥️plus James Dean {{swoon}} 6mo
mrp27 I agree with both @erista and @batsy however I didn't like how Cal insisted that he give the gift in front of everyone. Shows to me that Cal, although his intentions were good, was still selfish about the gift. 6mo
erista That‘s a great point, @Cinfhen .I hadn‘t thought of that, but it‘s true Adam was very hypocritical in not accepting the money from Cal and accepting stolen money from his father. Although, if I remember correctly, towards the beginning of the novel Adam suspected his father of being dishonest and then when the money was inherited Charles had doubts about it being honest money and Adam thought it was fine? I‘m not sure if I‘m remembering that right 6mo
erista Either way, Adam chooses not to see what he doesn‘t want to see and his choices have negative effects on his sons. 6mo
Cinfhen Yes, @erista it was Charles who struggled to accept and believe the 💰wasn‘t tainted because Charles like Cal loved his father and wanted to keep his memory pure but Adam who “hated” his father just took the $ without really caring how it was earned. He initially tells Charles it‘s fine but later on in the novel he tells Lee or Samuel his inheritance was built on dishonest earnings. ( which was a biblical illusion to the world being built from👇🏼 6mo
Cinfhen The Original Sin) “also called ancestral sin, a Christian belief in the state of sin in which humanity has existed since the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki”
erista @Cinfhen ahh yes, now that you mention it I do remember Adam acknowledging the money was dishonesty earned later in the book. I wonder if that‘s why he so willingly spent a good portion of that money on his lettuce project which would have helped many people had it worked. Having failed, it didn‘t seem like a big deal to him since he didn‘t actually do anything to earn it in the first place. 6mo
Cinfhen Good point @erista money means nothing to Adam because he‘s never had to earn it. That‘s actually a total turn-off for me 😣 6mo
batsy That's true @mrp27 but I also chalk it up to Cal being young and brash (and desperate for love and recognition); it was partly selfish, and I like that he wrestled with himself about that. 6mo
CarolynM @erista @Cinfhen although Caleb's money was earned legally it certainly looked like war profiteering and that was how Adam saw it (and I think how Steinbeck saw it) and therefore saw it as immoral. It's not clear what Aaron would have done about Cathy's money since he ran away as soon as he found out about her immorality. 6mo
UwannaPublishme @Reviewsbylola @erista @batsy @Cinfhen @CarolynM Agreed! Adam‘s lack of compassion and communication with both sons plus his wishy-washy nature were dreadful. 6mo
staci.reads @Reviewsbylola @batsy @CarolynM @Cinfhen I agree. I hated the way he rejected Cal's gift. How could he not see the parallels with that and the his father's rejection of Charles's knife earlier in the book? This is why I struggle with thinking of Adam as a good man. He is SO self-consumed: 👇 6mo
staci.reads wandering around for years without contacting his brother, emotionally abandoning his sons for so long, oblivious to his wife's wishes when she doesn't want to go to California or stay on the ranch, etc 6mo
rubyslippersreads @batsy @mrp27 Cal is only 17. Adam is a grown man with a lot of life experience (although he doesn‘t seem to have learned much from it, as @staci.reads pointed out). Even if Adam saw the money as war profiteering, there could have been other ways to handle the situation (building a hospital for soldiers, giving it to war widows and orphans, etc.) 6mo
mrp27 @rubyslippersreads Agreed. I was also horrified when Cal burned it. Talk about being young and brash. 6mo
DebinHawaii There is the part where Adam is musing (to Lee I think or maybe it is to Cal) about not knowing much about his sons & asking them questions but still, at the end he didn't know his sons or what they needed from him & was repeating some of the mistakes his own father made. 6mo
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Question 3 Part 4
What connection is Steinbeck making between Alice in Wonderland and Cathy?

Reviewsbylola This is a great question. Alice was in a fantasy world and I feel like Cathy wanted to be a part of that. She had a lot of issues and clearly became more unhappy and disenchanted with the lies she was telling herself. Alice seemed like an escape in that sense. 6mo
CarolynM Really, I've no idea. I could be mean and say he was just trying to give Cathy a bit of humanity before killing her off...or do I just think that because I was a bit annoyed by his treatment of the female characters? I know we have to make allowances for the period but still... 6mo
mrp27 I'm still thinking about that one. For me it just symbolized her mind going. 6mo
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Cinfhen Great answer @Reviewsbylola @mrp27 part of me felt like it was another “gimmick” like Steinbeck adding in all the not so subtle Bible allegories @CarolynM but still, there must be in his writer‘s mind some strong reason. Was Cathy really Alice or was she The Queen Of Hearts?? And was Adam& Charles Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum!!?? 🤷‍♀️I‘m curious (heehee, no pun intended) 😉 6mo
mrp27 @Cinfhen Ha! Ha! I agree that there is a reason he put it in but I can't decipher it. I finished the book this evening so I'm still ruminating... 6mo
Susannah I wonder if the reason we struggle to figure out why Steinbeck had Cathy compare herself to Alice is because it‘s a poor comparison. I don‘t see it unless we are to think that both Alice and Cathy existed in a state of arrested development and ultimately sought oblivion, which is either really pretentious or freshman lit class symbolism. Either way, 🙄. 6mo
Cinfhen That‘s great @Susannah #KeepingItReal ♥️ 6mo
UwannaPublishme @Cinfhen @Reviewsbylola 😂Can‘t figure this one out except as you said, Cathy‘s twisted mind may have found relief by escaping into this fantasy world. Maybe since Steinbeck‘s mother was such an avid reader, he felt the need to somehow include this classic??? Who knows! 🤣 6mo
staci.reads Overall, I didn't like the way he wrote Cathy's death at all. It seemed completely against her character. Nothing about her death seemed to match the way he had developed her to that point. 6mo
staci.reads @CarolynM I struggled with his female characters too. Yes, he's a product of his time, but this went beyond depicting traditional gender roles. 6mo
Cinfhen Cathy‘s death was really bothersome, I agree @staci.reads and the whole Ethel dimension didn‘t really make sense to me either. I think Steinbeck really saw women in only 2 ways and I don‘t think that was a product of the times 🥺 6mo
Susannah I agree @staci.reads. The exits of really integral characters—Charles, Samuel, Cathy, Aron (and Dessie and Tom too)—all seemed abrupt to me. Cathy made a ridiculous effort to live life her way, it seemed odd that she‘d give up at that point. It felt a bit like Steinbeck needed her out of the story and thought this was the most expedient way. 6mo
rubyslippersreads I agree with everyone who thought Cathy‘s suicide was out of character (although foreshadowed throughout the book, with her constantly touching the little vial). I think the Alice thing was an escape mechanism from her extremely troubled childhood. And I don‘t think Alice would want Cathy in Wonderland with her! 😏 6mo
Cinfhen The more we discuss @Susannah @UwannaPublishme @rubyslippersreads @CarolynM the more flaws I‘m finding with this novel 🙄maybe I should quit while I‘m still ahead or soon my “pick” is going to change😉 6mo
DebinHawaii Steinbeck definitely had the whole madonna-whore complex with his female characters which did make the female characters especially one-dimensional. I found the Alice in Wonderland references odd although I agree with @CarolynM that it might have been for a bit of humanity or sympathy. I didn't find Cathy's suicide out of left-field. I feel like her responses to feeling threatened throughout the book were always dramatic fight or flight or... (edited) 6mo
DebinHawaii ...both as in fight, then flight so as her strength ebbed & she felt things closing in on her with the Ethyl/Faye thing & even her fantasy of having Aron visit her in NYC & not know her past falling through, it seemed like the last big '"flight" to me. 6mo
CarolynM @DebinHawaii Yes, excellent point about the flight. 6mo
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What do you make of Adam‘s failed business venture? What do you think of Adam overall? Was he a good father? A good man?

erista I think Adam had a good idea and was kind of disappointed that he didn‘t try again. He always seemed to give up easily when things got difficult or didn‘t work out. I think he was a good man but a neglectful father. He grew to care for his boys but was often too selfish to really know them. (edited) 6mo
Reviewsbylola I kept waiting for that to turn around, because it was a good idea! 6mo
batsy @erista I agree. A good man who wanted to do good, but paradoxically, an absent and negligent father despite (or is it because of?) that. Like @CarolynM mentioned awhile back, this book is a study of different kinds of fathers and father figures. Cal turned out different from Charles because he had a Lee around, I reckon. 6mo
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sisilia He was overall a good man, but he was just too comfortable in his zone. I‘m glad that he tried the biz, finally he pushed himself to do something different. However, I disagree with the careless way he managed (or not managing at all) the money. Was he not thinking about his sons? 🤨 6mo
CarolynM I think the failure was part of Steinbeck's attitude to financial success. He has Lee thinking towards the end "Riches seem to come to the poor in spirit, the poor in interest and joy." Adam wasn't poor in those things so he couldn't earn riches. It's interesting that all of the large amounts of money that came to his family came from some sort of immoral activity. I wonder what Steinbeck wanted us to take from that? 6mo
CarolynM As for fatherhood, I basically agree with @batsy although I thought all of the characters were under developed and just not very real, so it's hard to say just how good or otherwise he was. I never felt I really understood his motivations for anything he did. (edited) 6mo
mrp27 I believe Adam was a good man and a decent father. He could have been much better at both of course and in the end he turned out just like his own father, wanting Aron to continue his studies when he didn't want to. 6mo
mrp27 @CarolynM I was curious about that too and I thought the same thing, all their riches came far too easily, never truly appreciated and from immoral activity. 6mo
Cinfhen GREAT POINT @CarolynM @mrp27 I was trying to get to that in the inheritance question. 6mo
Cinfhen I was happy to see Adam excited about something and it was a good idea @Reviewsbylola but Will Hamilton warned him that it wouldn‘t be profitable and he just chose to ignore the advice he sought leading to tremendous financial loss and embarrassment to his sons. He seems to be a man filled with “good intentions” but terrible at executing his plans/ feelings. @mrp27 @batsy @CarolynM @sisilia @erista he fell for a bad women 👇🏼 6mo
Cinfhen Couldn‘t make simple decisions, was terrible at handling money, was pretty negligent in raising his sons, was unable to offer love and guidance to his boys yet, I don‘t think he was a bar person. Just weak and lacking a backbone. He actually annoyed me a lot of the time because he was so detached. 6mo
mrp27 Agreed! It killed me that Cathy's death hurt him so much. I was hoping he was over her. The fact that Adam was so ambivalent about everything annoyed me. The only thing he felt passionate about was Cathy. (edited) 6mo
Cinfhen So true @mrp27 !!! And then Aron falls for Abra and sort of repeats that blind love 6mo
batsy @CarolynM That's a great point about how money is viewed in this novel, and also a larger point about the machinations involved in the accumulation of wealth. As you mentioned, it's a shame that Adam couldn't share his values with Cal during the gift scenec(but also interesting that when Adam and Charles inherited their father's money, it was Charles who raised questions about how the money came to be). 6mo
CarolynM @batsy Maybe it was because Adam had taken so long to accept that his father's wealth was earned dishonestly was part of the reason he needed to feel any other money he came by was untainted? 6mo
UwannaPublishme @erista @Reviewsbylola I agree that Adam had the start of a good idea. And I‘m willing to bet that the lettuce fiasco may be a true story. Especially since Salinas is called the “Salad Bowl of the World” and I believe the first refrigerated railway cars originated there. 6mo
UwannaPublishme @Cinfhen @mrp27 @sisilia Agreed! Adam annoyed me to no end. I couldn‘t figure him out. He was so flighty, negligent and careless. He could barely dress himself. I don‘t think father can take all the blame because he had two strong father figures around him. 6mo
UwannaPublishme @CarolynM Very interesting point about Steinbeck‘s view on money. Must ponder that one! 6mo
Susannah I totally agree with you, @erista. Adam seemed so self-absorbed throughout the book. He couldn‘t see Cathy, Aron, or Cal beyond his pictures of them, and that frustrated me. And I thought he was a lousy father. Maybe Adam was a product of his time, but Lee was the real parent in the family. (edited) 6mo
batsy @CarolynM Yes, that could be it. I think I spent the majority of the time being annoyed with him that whatever growth/evolution/change/realisation he exhibited about anything at all mostly went over my head 😂 6mo
CarolynM @UwannaPublishme You obviously know a lot more about Steinbeck than I do, but from my memories of The Grapes of Wrath and from this novel I think he had a pretty dim view of the rich and of the means by which they made their money. (edited) 6mo
UwannaPublishme @CarolynM Makes perfect sense. Steinbeck certainly had his issues, and he was probably paying alimony at the time. 6mo
mrp27 @UwannaPublishme @CarolynM Even Abra's father came by money dishonestly. If I remember correctly Steinbeack once worked as a picker on the Salinas Valley farms and was later a huge voice/ some what of an activist for migrant workers. Salinas today is huge in agriculture with a huge immigrant community to do all the hard labor. 6mo
staci.reads @batsy I agree that Lee made all the difference for Cal so that he didn't become a Charles or a Cathy (all our Cain characters). It plays into that whole timshel idea. Cathy and Charles didn't have a Lee to drive home the idea that they can choose their destinies. 6mo
staci.reads @Cinfhen I guess what I struggle with is why Lee though Adam was such a good man. At one point, I believe he says Adam is the best man he has ever known. Since Lee represents wisdom in the story, clearly Steinbeck believed these things about Adam too. So what qualities endeared him so much to Steinbeck? Did the journal gave insight to this @UwannaPublishme ? 6mo
bookandbedandtea @Cinfhen Detached is the perfect word for Adam yet it puzzles me that he is so removed. It seems like someone who has such life experience (terrible childhood, Army service, life as a vagabond, jail time/road gang, all before being shot by his own wife and left to raise twins on his own!) would be better equipped to deal with life than he is. 6mo
Cinfhen Adam was probably my least favorite character in the novel @UwannaPublishme @staci.reads @bookandbedandtea 6mo
rubyslippersreads I think Adam saw Cathy the way he wanted to see her, not as she actually was. And Aron sort of repeated that with Abra. 6mo
UwannaPublishme @staci.reads I wish Steinbeck was more specific about such things in his Journal. I got the feeling that Adam in many ways represents Steinbeck— with his struggles to raise his own boys and deal with his broken marriage with an unfaithful wife. Maybe the endearing quality is the ability to love and be loved, and maybe Steinbeck needed to hear it from Lee. 6mo
DebinHawaii Adam got on my nerves too with the lack of backbone and follow through. I don't think he was a bad man, but he needed to be a much better father than he was. 6mo
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Question 1 part 4 #EoE
Why do you think Steinbeck inserted himself in this novel? Did it hinder or help add to the story?

LauraJ I believe he wrote this book for his sons. Inserting himself into the story was primarily for their sake, but I think it helps to tie the varying viewpoints together. 6mo
erista He wanted to write his family history to pass on to his sons. I liked the added characters and thought it added a realness to the overall story. 6mo
Reviewsbylola I need to google this more because it‘s been intriguing me. I think it‘s odd—I enjoyed the stories about Samuel‘s family but as it went on, I had a difficult time seeing the relevance. 6mo
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UwannaPublishme As @LauraJ says, Steinbeck wrote EOE for his sons to pass along important life lessons and preserve some of their family history. I think Steinbeck had to be the narrator since he was sharing real stories about his family-the Hamiltons. For me, it gave the story more of a personal touch, and made it more intriguing knowing some of it actually happened! 6mo
UwannaPublishme @Reviewsbylola I wonder if he added the stories about his mother Olive and the Hamiltons not only for his sons, but also to counterbalance all the evil that was going on in the Trask household. 6mo
UwannaPublishme Interesting Journal quote from Steinbeck: “You are going to like Lee. He is a philosopher. And also he is kind and thoughtful. He‘s going in the book because I need him. The book needs his eye and his criticism which is more detached than mine.” 6mo
batsy @UwannaPublishme Oh, I love that little tidbit, thanks! This book would have turned out differently without Lee. I needed him in this book, too 🙂 6mo
UwannaPublishme @batsy I couldn‘t agree more! 😊👍🏻 6mo
CarolynM I'm with @Reviewsbylola For me Samuel and his family were much the most real and interesting characters, but seemed unnecessary to the story as the book went on. 6mo
mrp27 @UwannaPublishme Another great tidbit about Steinbeck! 6mo
mrp27 Steinbeck wrote to preserve, share his family history. His narration didn't add or take anything away from the story for me but it unnerved me in the sense that I felt like I couldn't trust him to be entirely objective. I felt like he had an agenda as narrator. 6mo
Cinfhen It‘s still weighing on me @mrp27 @UwannaPublishme @CarolynM @batsy @LauraJ @Reviewsbylola @erista By inserting himself and his family in the novel it feels a tad “tainted” like im being forced to view/admire his family as the “good guys” vs the Trasks as the “bad guys” I wonder how his sons felt about their “legacy” I know @UwannaPublishme said one of his boys wrote a memoir. That should be interesting 6mo
mrp27 @Cinfhen exactly! 6mo
UwannaPublishme @Cinfhen @mrp27 The scale is definitely and subjectively tipped toward the good guys! Quote from youngest son John IV: “The messages about family and fathers and sons, as well as the poisonous principles in that triangle are hard to miss.” Both sons wondered which one was the James Dean (Cal) character. But both thought of themselves as Aaron! 🤔 6mo
Susannah I thought adding the Steinbeck family story weakened the book. I liked the Hamilton story, and I was interested (and saddened) by what happened to Dessie and Tom, but as I said on @CarolynM‘s post, it felt a bit shoehorned in to the Trask story, especially after Samuel died relatively early. Honestly, I thought they could be separate books. (edited) 6mo
Cinfhen Interesting point @Susannah Could the Hamilton saga have been their own book??? 6mo
Cinfhen Fascinating @UwannaPublishme !!!! All these insights add a whole different dimension to the novel 6mo
peaknit I agree that the Hamilton saga could have stood alone. I loved the book 15 years ago or more so was excited to reread with a group...and I realized when I started, I didn‘t even recall the Hamilton‘s, only the Trask‘s stuck with me. 😳 6mo
peaknit @mrp27 great point, I felt I couldn‘t trust the objectivity too. 6mo
staci.reads I'm torn. I have a hard time with the blend of fiction and family history. I know that all history is influenced by the writer's agenda, so rarely is pure fact, but this overt blurring of lines is a struggle for me. @Susannah I also wonder if it should have been 2 separate books, but then the contrasts wouldn't exist. I agree @Cinfhen though that it somehow takes away from the Trasks's story to think he created them only as foils to his family. 6mo
bookandbedandtea As much as I loved the individual Hamiltons every time we returned to them I wondered why they were there as this was clearly the tale of the Trask family. I did think a few times that I'd rather have read one Hamilton book and one Trask book but on further reflection I think Adam's story, and Lee's, would suffer from the loss of Samuel. 6mo
Cinfhen That‘s a good point @bookandbedandtea Samuel was a good thread for Lee & Adam. 6mo
rubyslippersreads @batsy @UwannaPublishme @Reviewsbylola I think Lee and the Hamiltons (especially Samuel) are there as a counterbalance to the warped thinking of the Trasks. And like @batsy says, the reader needs Lee. I think the book would be almost unbearably unpleasant without him. 6mo
DebinHawaii Late to the party but I just finished the book. Loving the journal quotes for @UwannaPublishme 🤗For me the inclusion of the Hamilton family details was a nonissue although I would have missed Samuel. Lee is a definite necessity. I also wonder if including them was in some way illustrating that even with the contrast of Samuel & Liza Hamilton's goodness & solid parenting to the Trask family issues, bad things still happened to the children/family. 6mo
DebinHawaii As in Lee's family story & Albra's, the choices we make as individuals (timshel) define us more than our family blood & history. 6mo
CarolynM @DebinHawaii That makes a lot of sense. It's a shame, though, that the Hamiltons fade away from the story in last part. It would have been a lot stronger if they had been present towards the end. (edited) 6mo
erzascarletbookgasm @UwannaPublishme good quote from Steinbeck and the tidbits. 6mo
erzascarletbookgasm I didn‘t know why he narrated the story, didn‘t make any difference for me. Agree with the comments that it‘ll be interesting to read a whole story of the Hamilton separately. And Lee is definitely the central figure in the whole book. 6mo
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Final discussion of #EoE to follow this post. 7 questions under the spoiler tag. Thank you all for reading along with me!!! I‘ve really enjoyed this buddy read 💕💕💕

DebinHawaii Ack! I haven't even started Part 4 yet. I'll be late to the party per usual! 😬 (edited) 6mo
LauraJ Thank you for getting me to shuffle this to the top of my tbr! 🖤 6mo
Cinfhen Oh no @DebinHawaii just don‘t forget to bring the dip!!! 😘😘 6mo
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Cinfhen It was a great motivator for me too @LauraJ I think I might be ready for 6mo
sisilia Thank you for organizing @Cinfhen 🥰 I‘m looking forward to the next one 6mo
LauraJ @Cinfhen The Grapes of Wrath is my favorite. 6mo
Cinfhen I haven‘t read GoW since HS and I hated it then but I‘m thinking now, a few years later(😉) I might feel differently @LauraJ 6mo
Cinfhen Yay @sisilia ❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️ 6mo
CarolynM I've got a few chapters to go. I won't finish today but hopefully tomorrow. I'll catch up with the discussion then🙂 6mo
KathyWheeler I was not able to read the last part of East of Eden this week because of vacation. I will finish it but not in time for the buddy read. I‘ve really enjoyed both the book and the buddy read. 6mo
Cinfhen Jump in whenever @KathyWheeler @CarolynM 😊❤️ 6mo
Simona Grapes of Wrath was on my last year list of favorites, and I liked it more than East of Eden! I have spare copy, if you want it 😘 6mo
Cinfhen You‘re so sweet @Simona if I can‘t find a cheap copy this summer I might take u up on your generous offer 😘😘 6mo
bookandbedandtea I'm sooo far behind that I don't think I'll be able to participate in this week's discussion. But I'm loving this book and I'm so grateful to you for organizing this. I don't think I'd have ever read it otherwise. 😊 6mo
UwannaPublishme Thanks again for being such a great organizer! Count me in for the next #buddyread! 🙌🏻 I‘m headed to the DMV today, so I‘ll have plenty of time to ponder your questions! 😆 6mo
rubyslippersreads I should finish later today and can join in then. One of my errands this morning is to pick up the DVD from the library. 😊 6mo
Cinfhen Ohhh, good call @rubyslippersreads DVD from the library but I don‘t think we still own a DVD player 😜 6mo
Cinfhen @bookandbedandtea you can always pop in later on if you want to comment!! Glad #EoE & Steinbeck was a win for you!! 6mo
Cinfhen @UwannaPublishme I‘m looking forward to reading your responses!! Good luck at the DMV 😬 6mo
andrew61 It's a great read, i loved it last year when reading envy did a readalong so it has been great seeing your comments. Is it bad to secretly like cathy ames!! 6mo
Reviewsbylola Thanks for hosting Cindy! 6mo
batsy @andrew61 Cathy is a great love-hate character! 😁 6mo
batsy Thank you again for hosting and for taking the time to come up with thoughtful discussion points 💖 6mo
Susannah I‘ve wanted to read East of Eden for a long time and thanks to you, @Cinfhen, now I have! I can‘t thank you enough for hosting this #buddyread. The discussion has been wonderful. I‘m so glad to have had a chance to share my incredulity at Cathy‘s behavior (among other things)! 6mo
Cinfhen Honestly all the input and shared thoughts from the buddy readers really Kept my interest piqued and made me read more slowly and thoughtfully ~ you guys were awesome @Susannah @batsy @Reviewsbylola Thank You❣️❣️❣️ 6mo
peaknit Oh no I‘m a little behind this week, teenage breakups and girlfriend angst has kept me up late this week. Girls🤷🏼‍♀️☺️ I‘ll be catching up ASAP! 6mo
Cinfhen Sorry @peaknit Girls are tough!!!! Hope the drama is all behind you 😘 6mo
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East of Eden | John Steinbeck
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I'm reading! I'm actually reading! I'm so relieved because it was starting to feel like I'd never get the time or inclination again. 😩

melissajayne One of my favourite novels. 6mo
bookandbedandtea @melissajayne It's fantastic! I'm discovering that I've been afraid of Steinbeck for nothing.😊 6mo
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East of Eden | John Steinbeck
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This family saga is worthy of it‘s praise. Steinbeck examines right & wrong, good & evil, nature vs nurture, freewill, and “timshel” (my new fav word) from every angle. The character studios are brilliant and I think I will remember them for many years- especially Lee! ❤️
Thanks to @Cinfhen for leading this buddy read and encouraging me to finally read this classic! #EoE

kspenmoll Live your edition! 7mo
Suet624 I guess I‘ll have to read it. I‘ve seen the movie but we all know the book is always better. (edited) 7mo
Cinfhen Great review, I didn‘t realize this was a first read for you as well. 7mo
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Cinfhen It‘s so good @Suet624 7mo
Reviewsbylola I just finished this one too! 6mo
DivineDiana When I read this book, I too loved the word “timshel” so much that I incorporated it into one of my online passwords! 6mo
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East of Eden | John Steinbeck
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I can see why Steinbeck considered this his masterpiece. Amazing!

Leftcoastzen Love these Steinbecks! 7mo
jchawkins Man, I have such a hard time getting into his stuff! One of these times I need to do a buddy-read or something so that I really sit down and try to muddle through, instead of giving up 40 pages in. 7mo
erzascarletbookgasm What a lovely collection there! 💗 7mo
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