Old New York

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Themes are the stifling culture of NY‘s old elite inter-marrying families, where men control the money, and woman are dependent. Wharton gives us humans within this culture. Overall, the stories benefit from that Wharton prose that makes everything easy and comfortable and interesting. Her writing catches us readers early. You're involved, characters crystallize before your eyes quickly, sometimes many all at once, each distinct.
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Old New York | Edith Wharton

New Years Day - our last story
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“She was bad …always.”

Like with Hayley, we open with a character assassination, although this time a societal judgment, exposing issues of that society. But this story has a trick to it, a mystery and an unexpected explanation. This wraps up our latest Wharton. What were your thoughts on Lizzie Hazeldean and her story?

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Graywacke @AllDebooks @amysisson @Ann_Reads @arubabookwoman @batsy @BookishTrish @CarolynM @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @Cathythoughts @Crazeedi @Currey @dabbe @emilyhaldi @IMASLOWREADER @IndoorDame 7mo

Graywacke @jewright @KathyWheeler @kspenmoll @Leftcoastzen @LitStephanie @llwheeler @Louise @rubyslippersreads @SamAnne @sarahbellum @Sparklemn @Suet624 @Tamra @TheBookHippie @willaful 7mo

Currey @Graywacke I found it difficult to swallow the trick, unlike Ethan Frome, where the trick is simply devastating. 7mo

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Lcsmcat @Currey Yeah, I felt like where Ethan did the honorable thing, she could have found a better solution than pimping herself out. And what does that say about Wharton‘s views on Women‘s choices? 7mo

Leftcoastzen I haven‘t finished yet😒 7mo

TheBookHippie 😵‍💫🤦🏻‍♀️ the troupe of Women bartering their bodies 🤦🏻‍♀️ and why?! Left a bad taste in my mouth so to speak. What a mess. 7mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat 💯💯💯 7mo

Currey @Graywacke @Lcsmcat After the ‘trick‘ I did find the character study interesting. How she became a person with interesting people at her parties and then not so interesting people. Of course my conclusion was: READ and the whole world will open up to you. 7mo

Currey @Graywacke @Lcsmcat “I have tried - but print makes me sleepy.” 7mo

Graywacke See, I‘m on board with the comments here. What was she thinking and how was that a good solution or even ok? I have trouble with it. But that also means … I‘m standing next to the Wessons judging! 🤦🏻‍♂️ @Currey the character study is interesting, how W effectively misleads us on how who Lizzie is. 7mo

Graywacke @Leftcoastzen no worries. Take your time. 7mo

Graywacke Any thoughts on this: “She had done one great— or abominable— thing; rank it as you please, it had been done heroically.” 7mo

batsy I mean the idea of a woman having to do this is obviously horrible, but the story is not celebrating it and neither was Wharton judging. I feel like that is the minor tragedy that Wharton was exploring based on how Lizzie grew up & what society (at that time) valued in a woman. "Ah, as a woman she knew her business..." was both her source of temporary, short-lived power & her fatal flaw, so to speak. 7mo

batsy (I found Charlie a compelling, inscrutable character—because even Lizzie found it hard to read him, and we see him through her eyes—but probably one of Wharton's more interesting husband characters and I'm sorry that we didn't get more of him and his interactions with Lizzie.) 7mo

Tamra I enjoyed the character & society studies, but this one felt a bit over the top in terms of the twist. (edited) 7mo

Tamra I did feel sorry for Lizzie as a widow, her only talent charming men. Empty & vacuous life, which she sadly realized. That would be maddening! Provided great contrast with Charles‘ character, which Wharton suggests is “deep” given his reading choices. (edited) 7mo

Tamra @batsy I agree with you, I didn‘t get the impression she was judging & condemning Lizzie. It was all rather acknowledging a fact, as Lizzie does. (edited) 7mo

willaful @batsy I completely agree. This was actually my favorite of the stories and the one I found most relatable. 7mo

Graywacke @batsy do you think Lizzie was paying price of her culture? (loaded question 😁) 7mo

dabbe @batsy and I have already shared with each other that this was one of our faves of the four. I agree with @Graywacke's last statement, too. Women in those days had fewer choices. And Wharton shows that sometimes the most wealthy women had the fewest choices of all. Lizzie had zero talent except when it came to her looks and how to use them. A hero does something for the greater good--even if it might be abominable to society's views as to what ⬇️ 7mo

dabbe is/is not appropriate. I think from Lizzie's point of view, she did the only thing she knew how to earn $ for her family. It's impossible to judge her from our 2023 sensibilities. As Atticus Finch in TKAM said, “You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view . . . until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.“ For some reason, Lizzie's character really took hold of my heart (as did Ellen in TAoI).
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Lcsmcat @Tamra I felt sorry for Lizzie too. Such a sad empty life and all as a result of her father‘s actions followed by her “heroic” act. I‘m not sure how I feel about that act yet, but it was certainly not easy. 7mo

Tamra @Lcsmcat me neither! I‘m also suspicious Charles didn‘t know - if he was as astute & intelligent as Wharton suggested he‘d have to as least find her “luxuries” suspect given the state of their affairs and the comment about how far she stretched her stepmother‘s gift is offered for a reason. I‘m thinking he thought she needed the luxuries to be happy and he accepted the source as a sacrifice to her. (edited) 7mo

Lcsmcat @Tamra Agreed! I feel like he had to know, which is why I feel like there had to be another option. 7mo

Graywacke @tamra and @Lcsmcat - thinking about it now, he had to know. He seemed to understand and seems be completely forgave her. But surely it hurt him deeply. That‘s tragic on its own. 7mo

Graywacke Another thing that struck me here was Lizzie‘s explanation of her sophistication (which was self-deception at work) and sexual power. How she knew how to work men - her one talent. She was a force when she felt the need to be. 7mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke @Tamra I wonder if EW was trying to show that he was just as trapped as Lizzie. If she weren‘t decked out the way that was expected, would he have lost his own status? It is tragic, and so few seemed to be able to break out to a place where they could be happy. It reminds me of Theodosia from the Cather novel. So much effort required to leave and then so much is damaged in the effort that you can‘t go back. 7mo

Tamra @Graywacke agree, she used the powers she had to navigate her circumstances! 7mo

Graywacke @Currey @Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie @batsy @Tamra @willaful @dabbe thanks all for your comments. Wharton discussions always reward here. They‘re fantastic! @Leftcoastzen no pressure, 😁, but I look forward to your comments. And any other that come this way. Cheers all. 7mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat I see that there! The trap of wealth culture and its bitter emotional costs. 7mo

Graywacke @Tamra yes. It‘s tragically beautiful in some ways. Awfully beautiful? 7mo

TheBookHippie This was fun to see everyone‘s take ! All varied! 7mo

willaful @Lcsmcat There's no way to know for sure, but it feels like it could be almost a “Gift of the Magi“ situation -- each giving up something for the sake of the other that ironically neither really needed or wanted. His short life might have been happier if they'd just given up all the trappings, but indeed, it was so hard to break out. 7mo

dabbe @Graywacke 💯 agree! 7mo

dabbe @Graywacke Whew. That sentence just grabbed me by the throat, it was so powerful. Heroes are the ones who dare to do what the ordinary person can't or won't do. And sometimes their decisions could be construed as abominable by us couch potatoes watching the drama unfold. I think of Odysseus now letting 6 of his men die as Scylla's dinner to save most of his men from Charybdis. A horrendous thing to do, but still heroic. 7mo

Graywacke @willaful i was thinking O‘Henry! 7mo

Graywacke @dabbe hmm. Now if Odysseus had volunteered himself up Scylla, I‘d be more comfortable with this comparison. 🙂 7mo

willaful @Graywacke yes! 7mo

dabbe @Graywacke Excellent point. I stand corrected. 🙂 7mo

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batsy

Old New York | Edith Wharton

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This collection of four novellas showcases Wharton's sublime prose & her psychological insight. All four novellas are special, but the standouts for me were The Old Maid & New Year's Day (the latter, as pointed out by @dabbe that reminds one of The Age of Innocence, as well as The House of Mirth, but somehow with an unexpected twist from Wharton in the sense of a hopeful ending!). It was so easy to fall into the rhythms of Wharton's narratives.

batsy Another great read in the #whartonbuddyread @Graywacke (I read a boring epub, but I love this cover, which matches the sumptuousness of Wharton's style). 7mo

dabbe @batsy I read a boring epub, too! Excellent review! 🤩🤩🤩 Your faves were mine as well. 7mo

Graywacke Ooh. We have some chatting to do tomorrow. I didn‘t take to NYD 🙂😁 7mo

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batsy @dabbe Thank you! Sigh about the boring epubs... Hope to own a nice copy by the time I'm ready to do a re-read 😁 7mo

batsy @Graywacke Oh no! Sorry it didn't work for you as well but I think I might have an idea why. Be interested to see if my guess is right during discussion later 😁 7mo

TheBookHippie I enjoyed it as well but I liked the last story the least! BAHAHAHAHA. Absolutely love her writing though. 7mo

batsy @TheBookHippie Yes, the last story has opinions divided which is really interesting! Her writing is so good ❤️ 7mo

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dabbe

Old New York | Edith Wharton

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Comprising four novellas by Wharton, ONY depicts the codes and conduct of New York in inscrutable fashion as only Wharton can do. The one closest to my heart was NEW YEAR'S DAY, with a main character similar to Ellen Olenska in THE AGE OF INNOCENCE, who faces ostracism from NY society for her scandalous suspected conduct of an illicit affair. Exquisite prose and insightful character studies. Thanks #whartonbuddyread for yet another Wharton wonder.

TheBookHippie I loved it ! 7mo

dabbe @TheBookHippie Me, too! 🧡💜💛 7mo

batsy Great review! This week has flown by; I need to get to the last story 😅 7mo

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dabbe @batsy It's a pretty short one, but it was definitely my favorite! 🧡💜💛 7mo

Graywacke Glad you enjoyed! (I‘m an outlier on NYD. 😐 ) 7mo

dabbe @Graywacke That's what makes literature discussions interesting! 🤩 7mo

Graywacke @dabbe 👍 completely agree 🙂 7mo

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Graywacke

Old New York | Edith Wharton

The Spark - 3rd story in Old New York
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A character study of Hayley Delane. But we‘re not in the 1860‘s. Instead we‘re roughly contemporary (1920‘s), looking back at the 1890‘s, and imagining the impact of the 1860‘s American Civil War on HD. Wharton is maybe thinking of WWI, and also of Walt Whitman.

What did you think of Hayley, and his wife Leila and that opening line? Or of our narrator? Or of the impacts of war and poets?

Graywacke #whartonbuddyread. @Lcsmcat 7mo

Graywacke @AllDebooks @amysisson @Ann_Reads @arubabookwoman @batsy @BookishTrish @CarolynM @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @Cathythoughts @Crazeedi @Currey @dabbe @emilyhaldi @IMASLOWREADER 7mo

Graywacke @IndoorDame @jewright @KathyWheeler @kspenmoll @Leftcoastzen @LitStephanie @llwheeler @Louise @rubyslippersreads @SamAnne @sarahbellum @Sparklemn @Suet624 @Tamra @TheBookHippie @willaful 7mo

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Graywacke One quote i came across: R. W. B. Lewis notes that in this tale “Wharton was combining the war-infested atmosphere of her infancy and her lifelong affection for Whitman with her own Whitmanesque attentions to the homeless, the wounded, and the tubercular in the more recent war”

Edith Wharton: A Biography

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Currey @Graywacke The twist of it actually being Whitman who nursed Delane was a bit too neat and predictable, but I enjoyed the character study. 7mo

jewright I loved this story too. The characters all seem so realistic. While Hayley‘s and Leila‘s marriage wasn‘t perfect, it worked for them. That‘s what is important. I‘m really enjoying this set of stories. 7mo

batsy Such an interesting character study, one that reminded me of Cather's The Professor's House with the ages reversed in terms of the POV. I thought of it as a son's interest in a father figure, but then Delane being deemed "queer" (I know she meant odd, or did she) & Walt Whitman thrown into the mix made me wonder if there are other reasons why he's so sanguine about his less than satisfactory marriage. Lots going on under the surface! 7mo

AllDebooks I didn't enjoy this as much as the previous 2 stories, mainly because I couldn't connect with the narrator. I found myself irritated by his judgemental, intrusive gaze, but then that's analogous for the society Wharton has under skilful examination. The character study and writing were superb, as you would expect from Wharton. That last line of Hayley's did make me laugh. 7mo

batsy Italian art as the guiding image/theme comes up again, and had me looking up the fresco in Siena featuring Guidoriccio da Fogliano. 7mo

arubabookwoman It's interesting that 2 of the 3 stories so far have involved a major real artistic icon. This story was my least favorite so far, perhaps b/c it is just a character study as the narrator describes it (and perhaps that's how Wharton herself viewed it). My favorite so far is The Old Maid (w/o the "real" character). It was just so much meatier and complex. 7mo

Lcsmcat I loved all the literary references, even though Whitman is not a favorite poet of mine. “when I see the children reading a newspaper-fellow like Kipling I want to tear the rubbish out of their hands.” 7mo

Lcsmcat “And they breathed a joint sigh over the vanished “Old New York” of their youth, the exclusive and impenetrable New York to which Rubini and Jenny Lind had sung and Mr. Thackeray lectured, the New York which had declined to receive Charles Dickens, and which, out of revenge, he had so scandalously ridiculed.” 7mo

arubabookwoman I've said many times on other forums (LT) that I am not a short story fan. They often feel incomplete to me and/or puzzling. Wharton's short stories are an exception I'm finding. I've been thoroughly engaged with these, and satisfied after they ended. I have also read Wharton's collection of ghost stories and they too were wonderfully satisfying and unique. If anyone does Halloween reads I'd recommend them. 7mo

Lcsmcat Also, not literary, but a favorite quote because it‘s so Whartonesque “Almost any man can take a stand on a principle his fellow-citizens are already occupying; but Hayley Delane held out for things his friends could not comprehend, and did it for reasons he could not explain.” 7mo

Lcsmcat @arubabookwoman Tales of Men and Ghosts is in my eBook Complete Edith Wharton. We‘d talked about doing a nonfiction next, but if the group wants to read that collection in October I‘d be flexible. 7mo

TheBookHippie Love Whitman. The Ghost book I just added to my wishlist I‘m fine buying it. I loved this section as it reminded me how much I do love a good short story. My notes aren‘t with me I‘m at XC 🏃🏻 we had to leave at 5 am 😵‍💫😅 but I had many passages that I read more than once. This reminded me of so many ppl 👀😅🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ probably why I enjoyed it. 🤷🏻‍♀️🙃🤯 7mo

Graywacke @batsy that line jumped out of me. I was already thinking he must be gay but couldn‘t find any clue. That was word was the only one I found until we learned he got close with Walt Whitman. It‘s important to the story because he colors his marital relationship one way or another, and it leaves implications for the Civil War experience. Walt Whitman -was- gay… (well, that‘s the conventional wisdom) 👇 7mo

Graywacke @batsy 👆And it highlights one other obvious/not-obvious question - I suspect our narrator is also gay. (Nothing is the text points to that other than absence of non-necessary opposite sex mentions.) 7mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat love the references. Damn- Kipling! Take that with your Nobel.🙂 7mo

Graywacke @Currey @jewright @arubabookwoman @AllDebooks - enjoyed all the reactions. While it wasn‘t my favorite story here, I really enjoyed it, and I‘m enjoying thinking about it. @Lcsmcat I‘m down for ghost stories too. Next or whenever. Anything you choose next (that we haven‘t read 😁) is alright by me. 7mo

dabbe @Lcsmcat I'd love to read Wharton's ghost stories in October; plus, it would benefit those of us who are doing #Scarathlon. 👻 7mo

Graywacke Any thoughts on this quote: “Exploring him like a geologist, I found, for several layers under the Leila stratum, no trace of any interest in letters; and I concluded that, like other men I knew, his mind had been receptive up to a certain age, and had then snapped shut on what it possessed, like a replete crustacean never reached by another high tide.” 7mo

dabbe I force-fed myself and read it all in one sitting last night. For me, that's NOT the way to read Wharton. I need to go back and reread and savor and think. All of you have given me much wisdom for the 2nd read. 🤩 7mo

Graywacke I mean, what happened to him in the war? What shut down? And why? And what‘s left in those 1890‘s? 7mo

Graywacke @dabbe yeah, she rewards slow lazy reading. 🙂 But glad you fit it in. It‘s the shortest story. (Old Maid was the longest.) 7mo

AllDebooks @Lcsmcat good call for October. I'm up for ghosts 7mo

willaful The story reminded me a bit of The Great Gatsby, in the narrator's fascination with the distinctiveness of someone else's character. (And that character devoted to an unworthy object.) Interestingly, they were published only a year apart.

@AllDeBooks I laughed too, which I was *not* expecting. 😁 7mo

Tamra I rooted for Hayley pummeling Byrne - very satisfying! That was such a powerful scene. 😬 Revealing a depth of emotion for someone so “shut-up.” (edited) 7mo

Tamra And I found it comical in the end Hayley found Whitman‘s poem nonsensical & disappointing. Especially since he felt Whitman as his nurse taught him Christian charity - such a serious moral sentiment. (edited) 7mo

arubabookwoman @Lcsmcat @Graywacke There are at least two collections of her ghost stories on Amazon as well as an Audible version. The 2 Kindle versions (1 a NYRB edition) have 5 overlapping stories, and 4 afditional stories, different in each version. 7mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman tricky! Ghosts was published in 1937. That might be the version we want. We‘ll have to check contents.

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Lcsmcat @Graywacke That crustacean quote was one I marked too. Excellent prose! 7mo

Lcsmcat @willaful Interesting observation! 7mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke My Complete Works doesn‘t list that collection, so we‘d need to go story by story. There are ten titled collections and then “Uncollected Stories.” 7mo

Lcsmcat Here are the names ones

The Greater Inclination

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Crucial Instances

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The Descent of Man and Other Stories

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hermit and wild woman, and other stories. By: Edith Wharton ( A collection of six classic short stories )

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Tales of Men and Ghosts

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Xingu And Other Stories

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Graywacke @willaful interesting about The Great Gatsby. It‘s not her first story to make me think of FSF. I wonder about her influence on him. (Also, along with @batsy , this one also had me thinking of some Cather 1st person takes.) 7mo

Graywacke @Tamra that‘s funny about rooting “for Hayley pummeling Byrne”. It is a striking seen, especially within the later story context. 7mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke @Tamra I too was on Team Hayley. 7mo

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Tamra

Old New York | Edith Wharton

If you have a few minutes to spare, I really enjoyed this documentary video about Wharton. Insightful!

“A Lady Doesn‘t Write”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fucxnpp-Agg

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Dilara Thank you for the link: I've saved it for later 😁 7mo

AllDebooks Thanks for the link x 7mo

Cathythoughts Thankyou for this link. I‘ll definitely give it a watch 👍🏻♥️ 7mo

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Graywacke

Old New York | Edith Wharton

The Old Maid
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There are a lot of aspects of this story that don‘t sit well with contemporary senses - the racism and perception more intellectual blood lines for one, and the nature of this guilt. That‘s one conversation.

But looking past this is the complicated character of Delia Lovell Ralston. A strange well-meaning villain? Stilted in affluence, and socially agile? Any thoughts on her and other characters, some in TAoI.

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Tamra I couldn‘t stop thinking as I read the story about the sorrow & injustice inflicted by varied forms of oppression. While Delia was a victim of oppression, she in turn did the same to Charlotte. In the end I believe she understood it. My favorite line from Charlotte, “My child shall have her life…her own life…whatever if costs me…” Breaking the cycle? (edited) 8mo

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Lcsmcat So many thoughts! And lots of recurring characters, which made it interesting. It was like visiting old . . . acquaintances. (Can‘t really say friends 😀) And Wharton‘s writing is sparkling as ever. I‘ve got quotes - like always. I‘m not sure Delia is a villain or not. She was working within the confines of that society- and let‘s not forget it was 1850s, earlier than typical Wharton. So women‘s choices were even more limited. 8mo

Lcsmcat (Cont.) and I can‘t imagine Charlotte or especially Tina supporting themselves. They weren‘t given any marketable skills! 8mo

Lcsmcat Now the quotes (because I am who I am & can‘t help myself.) “They had not come to the Colonies to die for a creed but to live for a bank-account.” 8mo

Lcsmcat “Ralston character was now so congenital that Delia Ralston sometimes asked herself whether, were she to turn her own little boy loose in a wilderness, he would not create a small New York there, and be on all its boards of directors.” 8mo

Lcsmcat “And then, the babies; the babies who were supposed to “make up for everything,” and didn‘t—though they were such darlings, and one had no definite notion as to what it was that one had missed, and that they were to make up for.” 8mo

Lcsmcat “But she had once learned that one can do almost anything (perhaps even murder) if one does not attempt to explain it;” 8mo

Lcsmcat “Old New York always thought away whatever interfered with the perfect propriety of its arrangements.” 8mo

Graywacke @Tamra hang on…you have me completely rethinking the story context. Thanks for this perspective. 8mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat I find it hard to grasp this 1850‘s NY context. And I‘m not sure this story helps much, although the context is important to the story. But good points! And great quotes! 8mo

Graywacke More quotes: “Sensitive soles of those days were like muted key-boards on which Fate played without sound.” 8mo

Graywacke “Yet that tremor of the muted key-board, that secret questioning which sometimes beat in her like wings, would now and then so divide her from them {her children} that for a fleeting moment she could survey them in their relation to other things. The moment was always fleeting; she dropped back from it quickly, breathless and a little pale, to her children, her house-keeping, her new dresses and her kindly Jim.” 8mo

Graywacke “…through the bitter brilliant night, they sauntered like lovers in a midsummer glade, and Tina's thin slippers might have been falling on daisies instead of snow.” 8mo

batsy I have so many thoughts, too. Don't know where to start! A layered, complex story & Wharton's writing was pitch perfect. I highlighted that quote too @Tamra but "a life of her own" at that time, as Wharton was all too good at showing us, had to be via marriage. I didn't see Delia as a villain but her desire to live through Tina perhaps made her oblivious to her own role & the pain it causes Charlotte. 7mo

batsy @Graywacke Loved that passage! Thin slippers "falling on daisies instead of snow". So evocative about how young love can literally transport one to another realm. 7mo

batsy Loved this about how experience doesn't necessarily make one "wise" in the expected sense: "But these years of experience weighed down on her like chains binding her down to her narrow plot of life; independent action struck her as more dangerous, less conceivable, than when she had first ventured on it." 7mo

batsy @Lcsmcat Yes! Also the sentence that came before: "a week or a month of flushed distress, confusion, embarrassed pleasure; then the growth of habit, the insidious lulling of the matter-of-course"—like wow, Edith, don't hold back. 7mo

Tamra @batsy agreed about the complexity. Delia & Charlotte are not mono-dimensional cutouts and are forcefully & painfully shaped by the forces of social mores. 7mo

Currey @Tamra @batsy @Lcsmcat @Graywacke l also initially read Delia as a complex but nevertheless the villain of the story, so thank you to Tamra for adjusting my perspective. 7mo

Currey @batsy @Lcsmcat @Tamra @Graywacke I was quite moved by Wharton, so methodically, twisting both Delia and Charlotte into quite “ugly” characters although the fault rested almost entirely on their societal rules. Plus, I read it as Tina not breaking the cycle but marrying into it… 7mo

Lcsmcat @Currey Yes, poor Tina married into it! And she will be of the generation that works on Lucy and the other more well-known Wharton characters. 7mo

TheBookHippie Here‘s my weird thought this is the precursor to The Gilded Age - so these peeps kids and grandkids. So that age is making more sense than ever to me. I read Delia as a villain because I believe you always have choices even if your only choice is kindness and hurt oppressed people don‘t have that as an excuse to do it to others. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 7mo

Tamra @Currey I wondered because Tina is getting to marry the man she truly loves, unlike Delia & Charlotte. 7mo

Lcsmcat @Tamra @Currey That‘s true, Tina is getting her choice, as opposed to Delia & Charlotte. Good point. 7mo

dabbe @Tamra YES! That's why this quote struck me: “Social tolerance was not dealt in the same measure to men and to women, and neither Delia nor Charlotte had ever wondered why: like all the young women of their class they simply bowed to the ineluctable.“ 7mo

dabbe @TheBookHippie So true! How many times in human nature do we have well-meaning intentions but then warp them into an umbrage of dominance? For some reason, this made me go back to the Puritans who wanted to be a beacon to the world in their freedom to do what they wanted. And what did they do? If you didn't toe their line, you were out. And that idea has been embedded in our country ever since. 7mo

Lcsmcat @dabbe Another quote I marked too. And that‘s a common thread in Wharton‘s work, isn‘t it? 7mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat I underlined all the passages you two quoted while reading @dabbe ✍🏼 7mo

Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie I feel like Wharton is back on her game in this one. 😀 7mo

dabbe @TheBookHippie #greatminds 🤩🤩🤩 7mo

dabbe @Lcsmcat It truly is! 🤩🤩🤩 7mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat For sure!!! 7mo

Tamra @dabbe spot on! 7mo

dabbe @Tamra 🤩🤗😍 7mo

Tamra @Lcsmcat I admire her writing! Just so sharply observant. 7mo

Graywacke @batsy @tamra @currey @Lcsmcat @dabbe @TheBookHippie Wharton “back on her game”, or “pitch perfect” and all the complexity hinted at and pointed out - I felt too! This was fun to read, characters were tough to pin down, and always had an extra something, a strength or perspective or reserve or human notion i just didn‘t expect. It‘s story that works. I think it‘s also a story that makes us uncomfortable. It does a lot at once. 7mo

Tamra @Graywacke so true, Wharton does make readers uncomfortable. Do we recognize parts of ourselves in the characters? I‘d hate to have her examining me & my life! 😬 Yikes 7mo

Graywacke @batsy - independence through marriage - phew! ( @Tamra @Currey @Lcsmcat ) “ineluctable” - a very Wharton sense ( @dabbe ). We live in an era when that weirdness is of the past, not exactly present and hopefully not future; but in 1850 and when this was published in 1925…it was understood as true since time. A very strange reality for women through history. Oppressive indeed, @Tamra 7mo

Graywacke @Tamra oh dear, i wouldn‘t come out well, in Wharton‘s scrutiny. All these unconscious contradictions of mine dragged through her light. 😁🙉 7mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke Of course to be truly independent a woman had to be a widow. And why that didn‘t scare the bejeebers out of every married man, I will never know. 😏 7mo

Tamra @Lcsmcat 🤭😆 7mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat 🤣💀 and poison so easy to make 🤣🤣🤣 7mo

arubabookwoman Great comments all! While I don't see Delia as a villain exactly, I do think she is not honest with herself about her motives, which are not as pristine as she believes. I think Charlotte is close to the truth when she says to Delia "You found your revenge and your triumph in keeping me at your mercy and in taking his child from me." It was several yrs before Tina and Char. came to live with Delia--long enough for a mother???????? 7mo

arubabookwoman daughter relationship to be established, so I think Delia wld really have had to work at getting Tina to switch her "daughterly" feelings from Char. to Delia. Wharton tells us it never occurred to Delia that her influence on Tina wld be resented. Why? Is Char. a lesser person b/c she never married? And how was it that Delia whose happiness was so open "so often found herself envying poor Charlotte?"?????? 7mo

arubabookwoman Delia is by no means all bad, tho': "There are were moments when she almost hated Char. for being Tina's mother, and others such as this when her heart was wrung by the tragic spectacle of the unnamed bond." (edited) 7mo

arubabookwoman While in other Whartons we are in the milieu of the wealthy, I don't recall such disdain for the poor. These early passages struck me: "Poor people were so ignorant and careless, and their children, of course, so perpetually exposed to everything catching." and "Delia was dumb with the horror and amazement of learning that her own blood ran in the veins of the anonymous foundling." 7mo

Lcsmcat @arubabookwoman I think she touched on it in The Fruit of the Tree, but this time she both is more confident in her skills as a writer, and further removed from those whose attitudes she is criticizing. I can see the wealthy of the 1920‘s thinking themselves so much more liberal than those of the 1850s. 7mo

Leftcoastzen I love all the comments! Late to the party , didn‘t finish till the afternoon. I think both Delia & Char. underestimated how difficult this would be .The emotional buttons pushed all around, yet how to abandon her in the orphanage? I agree with the comment Delia could have chosen to be kind even within the difficulties of the restrictions of the times. 7mo

Leftcoastzen Wharton writes beautifully as always & those quotes ! She peels back the curtain on how precarious certain elements of society can be. 7mo

batsy @arubabookwoman Yes to this! I agree that Delia wasn't honest about her motives. Hence her instant defensiveness when Charlotte spells out some truths. I was also mulling over the depictions of the poor. It felt ironic, a bit of a take on the beliefs of that class on people and a sort of meta-commentary on their attitudes, but I also wonder if I love Wharton's writing so much that I'm giving her too much of the benefit of the doubt? 7mo

willaful @arubabookwoman @batsy yes, Delia is pretty good at blocking out what she doesn't want to see, as probably most women in her situation learned to be. I think the situation with Charlotte and Tina kept her somewhat off-balance and made it harder for her to fully live the role she'd accepted.

I also found it odd that Tina should have spent years with just Charlotte yet gone on to accept Delia as her mother. 7mo

willaful I wonder if Delia ever thought about how much harm she'd done Charlotte by ruining her chance for marriage and more children, if she truly believed to the end that she'd done the only right thing. 7mo

batsy @willaful I did find it odd that Tina took to Delia as a mother figure, too, and made me wonder what that meant. Was it because of particular affinity of character? The whole "spinster aunt" vibe of Charlotte prevents maternal affection? Like @Graywacke said, this story made me feel so many things. Especially these versions of femininity & even how caregiving is coded as properly maternal or not. 7mo

jewright I loved this story. The characters are so complicated and real. You can easily trick yourself into thinking you are doing the right things, but are you? I do believe Delia thought she was being super kind to her cousin. It isn‘t until later that she realized the harm she may have inflicted, but she redeems herself at the end with the request for the last kiss. And the burden and shame of an unplanned pregnancy still falls on women. 7mo

jewright @willaful She probably didn‘t have her call her mother or anything because the role of her being a foundling had to be maintained. Yes, she cared for her as a mother, but if she never referred to her as one, Tina could more easily give the name to Delia. 7mo

Graywacke Great posts, everyone! I love this group. (And I‘m glad i have one less reason to fear being poisoned!) Fair warning - I‘m traveling next weekend, dropping my daughter off to college out of state. So, my post may come at some weird time. 7mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @tamra @TheBookHippie i personally hadn‘t fully thought through this precarious husbandhood. 😳(Elsewhere I‘m just reading about all the happy widows in Geoffrey Chaucer‘s England. “They enjoyed financial autonomy” through marital inheritance) 7mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman ( @Leftcoastzen @batsy @willaful @jewright ) I like all these queries into what Delia did. Ultimately she was very cruel, intentionally or not, taking Charlotte‘s daughter away from her, using her financial power over C to do this, (her motivation apparently being her miss with Clementine.) ( @jewright - I found the last kiss a bitter cruelty, a tiny makeup for losing a daughter.) D does this without social stain! 7mo

Graywacke One oddity for me was what to make of Charlotte. Was she weak and pathetic or really really strong and sacrificial? She seems very strong at times, but ultimately not up for being who she really needed to be. Does Wharton try to make the point that she was defeated despite being strong? (If you agree she failed at something) 7mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman on the disdain of poverty discussion ( @Lcsmcat @batsy ) - I‘m always looking for Wharton‘s privileged take, a bias but not unfounded, I think. Was it Wharton‘s or Delia‘s disdain? Was it Wharton‘s, or NY‘s racism and sense or blood privilege? 7mo

Graywacke @willaful Delia was crazy to destroy that marriage. No? But what an unhappy marriage it would have been. So maybe D justified herself on that. (I‘m tempted to over state that it was no love match, and that Charlotte was hoping to sacrifice herself to a crap marriage for her daughter‘s sake. But I‘m not sure that‘s true or fair.) 7mo

TheBookHippie @Graywacke money and no man they more than likely were forced to marry and bear children for. It‘s where the happy widow phrase probably came from 🤣. 7mo

TheBookHippie @Graywacke 🤣🤣🤣 no fear of poison!!! I‘ll be at a XC meet like every fall weekend 🏃🏻I get to this when I can generally. 7mo

TheBookHippie @Graywacke Charlotte could have been all that I suppose or it‘s for us to decide. I too wonder what is Wharton what is the society at the time. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 7mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke I think I‘m in the minority on Delia. It was a seeming cruelty to prevent the marriage, but she was young. And everything else was done to protect Tina. It was horribly sad and tragic and all that, but there was no place for Charlotte and Tina to be mother and daughter in 1850 unless they went west where no one knew them. And then, how would they support themselves? They had no skills and no money. 7mo

jewright @Graywacke I see it as her trying to make up for hurting Chatty, even though she was trying to help in the beginning. 7mo

Graywacke @TheBookHippie “for us to decide” - yes! And, @Lcsmcat and @jewright - we all have different takes and thought processes on this. I‘m glad we have some variety. 🙂 7mo

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Leftcoastzen

Old New York | Edith Wharton

#whartonbuddyread the lovely front endpapers of the Old Maid , 2nd novella in the Old New York volume.

Lcsmcat, Graywacke

Graywacke Gorgeous 8mo

dabbe Who would that couple be? Delia and her hubby? 🤔 8mo

batsy Nice! Thanks for sharing these 😍 8mo

Leftcoastzen @dabbe not sure , I said I was diving in, haven‘t read a word of it yet, got busy. 8mo

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Leftcoastzen

Old New York | Edith Wharton

#whartonbuddyread I‘m going in! The 2nd novella of 4, this is the last one I have in hardcover , ebook for the last 2!😁

Lcsmcat, Graywacke

Graywacke I‘ll vicariously imagine this copy as i read my ebook ☺️ 8mo

Leftcoastzen @Graywacke awww! Wish I had the other 2! 😁 8mo

Tamra I loved it! 8mo

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IndoorDame

Old New York | Edith Wharton

🍏 🍁gazing,🍎picking, baking 🥧, enjoying the changing weather, preparing for and celebrating 🎃👻💀🧙🏽‍♀️🧟‍♀️

🍎 😴😴😴😴

🍏the tagged book

#wondrouswednesday thanks for the tag @Eggs @The_Penniless_Author

Calling on all my fellow lovers of autumn to play!

Eggs Are you enjoying the Wharton book? 8mo

IndoorDame @Eggs I am! Her character studies are so timeless. She gets to the heart of people and it really shows you that at our core people were just the same a century ago. 8mo

Eggs Understanding human nature makes a great writer ✍🏻 8mo

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AllDebooks

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Oh I think this may be my new favourite by Wharton. What a cantankerous, belligerent Mr Raycie is. His rants are hilarious ?
"...buying these things that look more like cut outs o' Foxe's book of Martyrs than Originals of the Old Masters for a Gentleman's Gallery!!"

dabbe Raycie is quite racy, isn't he? 🤩🤣😍 8mo

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Graywacke

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Poor little Louisa.

Wharton‘s window into the culture of 1840‘s New York high society. Scathing and tolerant? Was della Francesca really so unknown? What do you think (or know)?

I found I slipped back into this Wharton world effortlessly. She just has a way.

Lcsmcat

Graywacke @AllDebooks @Ann_Reads @arubabookwoman @batsy @BookishTrish @CarolynM @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @Cathythoughts @Crazeedi @Currey @dabbe @Daisey @emilyhaldi 8mo

Graywacke @IMASLOWREADER @IndoorDame @jewright @KathyWheeler @kspenmoll @Leftcoastzen @LitStephanie @llwheeler @Louise @rubyslippersreads @SamAnne @sarahbellum @Sparklemn @Suet624 @Tamra @TheBookHippie @willaful 8mo

Lcsmcat I loved Mr. Racie‘s religious rant. (It may take multiple comments to post, but here goes.) 8mo

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Lcsmcat “The Sundays—the Sundays? Well, what of the Sundays? What is there to frighten a good Episcopalian in what we call the Continental Sunday? I presume that we‘re all Churchmen here, eh? No puling Methodists or atheistical Unitarians at my table tonight, that I‘m aware of? Nor will I offend the ladies of my household by assuming that they have secretly lent an ear to the Baptist ranter in the chapel at the foot of our lane. 8mo

Lcsmcat No? I thought not! Well, then, I say, what‘s all this flutter about the Papists? Far be it from me to approve of their heathenish doctrines—but, damn it, they go to church, don‘t they? And they have a real service, as we do, don‘t they? 8mo

Lcsmcat And real clergy, and not a lot of nondescripts dressed like laymen, and damned badly at that, who chat familiarly with the Almighty in their own vulgar lingo? No, sir”—he swung about on the shrinking Mr. Kent—“it‘s not the Church I‘m afraid of in foreign countries, it‘s the sewers, sir!” 8mo

Lcsmcat That made me laugh out loud. 8mo

IndoorDame It was plotted so perfectly! I loved the tragedy of it. That the family fortune was actually assured down the road either way - if he followed his artistic passion or his father‘s rigid thinking - but that a falling out between them was actually also assured either way. The family dynamics between everyone were a great mirror for the section of society they were all stuck in. 8mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat that was quite an entertaining rant. (And I think you could contemporarize it… with slightly different emphases. 🙂) 8mo

Tamra Ahhhh Wharton‘s devastating way of exposing the marrow of very human character flaws! The first & most obvious of course is Mr. Raycie with his hubris and vanity. The eventual fortune & fame of the family was not what he had in mind. 😅 (edited) 8mo

Tamra @Lcsmcat that was a snort out loud rant! 😆 8mo

Graywacke @IndoorDame it‘s a really clean story! I loved the dynamics too. I loved how alive all these briefly described characters were. 8mo

Currey @IndoorDame Well articulated. The relationship was doomed either way. I was impressed that Wharton had him so self assured even in the face of his father‘s rage (and ignorance). 8mo

batsy She definitely has a way! I fell into the rhythm of the narrative so easily. The way I internally yelled when Lewis name-dropped John Ruskin and Dante Rossetti! ? And Poe cast aside by Mr. Raycie! I felt the pain of the effects of Mr. Raycie's hubris as @Tamra said, his conservatism & how he was trying to mold his son's taste. Love how Wharton makes the reader privy to what's coming wrt the art but you're still yelling "Noooooo!“ when it happens. 8mo

batsy @IndoorDame Perfectly put! 8mo

Tamra So amusing father Raycie is a “monumental man” who aspires to build a “gallery of heirlooms” and for whom blood ties are of most importance, but then Lewis‘ disdained collection is sold off by a quite distant relation. 8mo

Currey @Graywacke Ruskin was only in his 20‘s here and his influence on “academic” art in England was not yet felt but certainly the Italian masters were not unknown. Some frescos by Giotto had been painted over and rediscovered. Wharton is pointing out the ignorance and philistinism of the wealthy in New York at the time. They collected names not paintings. On the other hand, if he had come home with a Raphael, it would not have hurt either. 8mo

Lcsmcat @IndoorDame Perfect summation! Wharton wrote it so that no other outcome was possible, and it still felt real. 8mo

Lcsmcat @Currey Thanks for that. My art history education is sorely lacking! 8mo

Tamra @Currey perfect description - collections of names 8mo

jewright The moral of the story seems to be accepting your children as they are instead of trying to force them to fit the mold of what you think they should be. 8mo

arubabookwoman I loved this! It just so happens that a year or so ago I made a presentation on Piero to my art history group (we've been studying together for many years), and Piero and other late Gothic/early Renaissance painters fell into obscurity and were totally forgotten/ignored for a couple of centuries. They started being "rediscovered" in the early 1800's but still probably wouldn't have been mainstream by the 1840's.???? 8mo

arubabookwoman Giotto was another in this category, and another artist I love. I tried googling for a Piero painting close to what Wharton describes Lewis as acquiring, but was unsuccessful. His most famous I think is one of his earliest--the Baptism of Christ which is in the Natl Gallery in London. I don't specifically recall but I believe it was in fact Ruskin who began bringing these artists to the attention of "collectors". So i was interested to see ?? 8mo

arubabookwoman his name pop up. Although it was tragic Lewis never got to "prove" himself to his awful father, I'm glad he got to marry Treeshy, and overall they had a good life (altho losing their child young). And in the end his good taste was vindicated, including his choice of Treeshy. ETA When Piero et al we're rediscovered they were deemed the "pre-Raphaelites", perhaps a reference to the ubiquitous popularity of Raphael we see in this piece. (edited) 8mo

dabbe “Old“ New York clashes with “New“ New York with the father and the son. And like many artists who die without knowing that their art might become famous after their death, the same thing happened to the art discoverer, Lewis.

I also loved the solid relationship with Lewis and Treeshy; it seems that quite a few of Wharton's novels do not have the happily-married trope. 8mo

willaful This reminded me of the one Wharton story I remember reading, which was about a woman whose tragedy also came from being ahead of her time, and even though she lived to see society change, it didn't help her. Wharton's cynicism and bitterness still rings very true today. 8mo

Leftcoastzen Love everyone‘s comments. Mr. Raycie didn‘t think very much of his son, that he seemed to even be critical of his physical attributes, hey it‘s your genetics father! (edited) 8mo

Leftcoastzen Wharton so good pointing out how a certain level of society think they are arbiters of taste,often in many areas they are behind the times.Since this was written in 1924 couldn‘t help but wonder if she had read the papers about the Armory show.While many works were breakthrough icons of modern art,some people went to point and laugh.Leo & Gertrude Stein collected many great pieces , had a keen eye for the modern.Gertrude was friends with Picasso! 8mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman this is really helpful info. Thanks. I was especially surprised about Giotto, since Dante raved about him way back in ~1300 (a pre-Raphaelite commentary, of course) 8mo

Graywacke @Leftcoastzen just want to echo, i‘m also loving all this commentary and Wharton response. 8mo

Leftcoastzen I went back to reread Mr.Raycies reaction to the pictures. His father saying basically come on they cheated you out of the money at cards or you spent it on a woman! Made me wonder how many young men on the Grand Tour went off the rails , got swindled or seduced. (edited) 8mo

Graywacke @IndoorDame “a falling out between them was actually also assured” - this is a great observation and one I didn‘t fully pick up on. Halston‘s “hubris and vanity” ( @Tamra ) really may have made him practically impossible to please (and not without manipulation). But…the daughters both managed this, with different personalities. Hmm. So does a son able to play his role better, avoid this falling out? 8mo

Graywacke @Tamra i love your comment! “exposing the marrow of very human character flaws”, and “his hubris and vanity” are clarifying and spot on descriptions. And that ironic Raycie collection, a tragic fame. 🙂🙁 8mo

Tamra @Leftcoastzen I bet quite a few went astray! 😉 8mo

Graywacke @Currey “they collected names” - indeed. (She‘s reminding us how regular and common the wealthy are.) Thanks for the note on Ruskin in the 1940‘s. 8mo

Graywacke @jewright was she too heavy handed on that lesson? 🙂 8mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman i was wondering if the exact paintings exist. I did some googling, but there are limited parameters outside the names, and i came up empty. Lewis and Treeshy were a nice pair, but tragic ultimately. Maybe, like Beatrice, they had it better in posthumous memory with the “Raycie collection” 8mo

Graywacke @batsy there‘s some real charm in being doomed by an unknown Ruskin. Is Ruskin playing a devil here, opening and corrupting an impressionable mind? 🙂 I was wondering who that artist was, but when Wharton name-dropped Ruskin, my 1st thought was, “did she really just go there? Yes, yea she did”. Then Dante Rossetti right after. Sometimes i want to give Wharton a wink and quiet high five. 8mo

Graywacke @dabbe you‘re right, the marriage is uncharacteristically happy for Wharton. The warmth of limited means? And Lewis‘s posthumous fame aligns well with the artists he collected. 8mo

arubabookwoman @Graywacke So many (nearly all) of his paintings were religious. As I recall there was a mention of flowers (columbine?) in the background, so I was looking for a female saint in a garden. Unsuccessful. There were several paintings/frescoes by Fra Angelico of beautiful females in a garden setting that might have fit the bill when I first started looking, and I was thinking I might find something like that. 8mo

Graywacke @willaful do you remember the story title? This is my first look at a Wharton short story (arguably a novella). We‘ve been reading through Wharton‘s novels in order, and one lesson is how she adapts her cynicism into her work. She got less overt, without really losing that. (edited) 8mo

Graywacke @willaful i meant to add, the story you describe sounds potentially a little autobiographical. 8mo

Graywacke @Currey “on the other hand, if he had come home with a Raphael, it would not have hurt either.” - 🙂 Good point! 8mo

Graywacke @Leftcoastzen funny about criticizing his own genes. I was thinking about the Impressionists while reading this, written in the era where they were only just gaining wider appreciation. Where was Wharton‘s awareness of this? Could it be an intentional parallel? (I‘m not familiar with the Armory show.) Also, no clue how well all these wealthy young boys (men?) managed across the pond overall. 8mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman i searched columbines and came up empty. 8mo

arubabookwoman @Graywacke and @Leftcoastzen It's funny you should mention the Impressionists. Cezanne, in developing cubism rediscovered Piero all over again. There is an early Piero landscape (actually in one of his backgrounds) which was done as a landscape by Cezanne & which at a quick glance is nearly identical. For some readon neither my phone nor ipad is letting me post pics on Litsy but if you google Piero & Cezanne both images come up. 8mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke @IndoorDame Or we‘re the expectations for daughters so different that they could please him because he didn‘t expect anything from them? 8mo

willaful @Lcsmcat they both married the type of men they were supposed to marry, that was probably sufficient. 8mo

IndoorDame @Lcsmcat @Graywacke I think his lack of expectations for the daughters are a big factor. Also their comparatively limited freedoms. And Lewis‘s artistic passions mean if he‘d chosen to placate his father the way the girls did resentment would have likely built up and boiled over at some point. 8mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman how cool! If you find the painting titles, please share (googling overwhelmed me with unrelated stuff) 8mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @willaful @IndoorDame i think Halston had some King Lear elements. His daughter‘s marriages - they were appropriate, but Wharton doesn‘t seem to tell us how happy they were (maybe we can read something between the lines.) What were their lives like? (edited) 8mo

Graywacke #whartonbuddyread 8mo

arubabookwoman The Cezanne painting is Garganne (1885-6) wh is at the Met NYC. The Piero is from his Arrezzo fresco cycle, the painting showing The Discovery of the True Cross. It's in the background--a geometric looking city on a hill. (Piero was known for using math in his paintings & in fact authored a math treatise). @Graywacke (edited) 8mo

arubabookwoman @Graywacke I came across my notes from my Piero presentation, most about the paintings themselves, but I ended by saying yhat after the Renaissance Piero sank into obscurity. Interest in him began reviving at the beginning of the Victorian era, partially b/c of interest in Urbino, birthplace of Raphael (P. Painted a lot in Urbino as well). So there was a Raphael connection. 8mo

arubabookwoman @Graywacke My notes end by saying by the turn of the 20th century Piero was almost a patron saint of modern art. 8mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman Legend of the True Cross

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Piero_della_Francesca_-_7._F...

Gardanne

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/435871 8mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke @willaful @IndoorDame I get the definite impression that the daughters are more “satisfied” than “happy.” And Lewis, in spite of the tragedy of the paintings, does seem domestically happy. 8mo

Currey @arubabookwoman @Graywacke @Lcsmcat I can imagine with Wharton‘s deep knowledge of Italian art and architecture that she could easily have experienced something not unlike what she depicts Lewis experiencing when it came to contemporary art. Thank you very much for the Piero/Cezzane notes. That was great! 8mo

batsy @arubabookwoman @Graywacke Thank you for the notes and links on the art. There's so much for me to look up. I also wonder if this collection of nonfiction might give more insight into Wharton's perspectives on Italian art and architecture https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/54932 8mo

Graywacke @batsy I think we might enjoy one of her travel books. We have skipped over them. 8mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat that had me in fits of giggles 🤣 SUNDAYS! 8mo

TheBookHippie @IndoorDame This exactly. I loved it. 8mo

batsy @Graywacke Definitely a wink and a high-five. Also love the simplicity with which Wharton shows how Lewis's mind was set on fire after meeting with Ruskin, where in conversation with him "each commonplace item of experience became a many-faceted crystal flashing with unexpected fires". Lewis "had been given all the openings he wanted". And yet, after all that, to come home to Papa Raycie ? 8mo

TheBookHippie As for the artist you questioned -my daughter took a The Math of Art course and it was fascinating. I know his art fell to obscurity and then revived but I believe it was deeply religious and he was very well know as a mathematic genius. Very fascinating man. I did a fair amount of phone calls to her while reading as she majored and minored in art! 8mo

TheBookHippie Sorry so late- I‘m the only healthy one in a house full of COVID. I did think while reading many men got seduced and taken on their romps or tours before marriage. And the control of the ones with money and the character of those under them is always fascinating to me. This author weaves a tale so easily & brilliant you‘re sucked in by the second sentence and immediately you‘re in their world. I love it. I laughed way more than I thought I would! 8mo

TheBookHippie @willaful agree they did their job married appropriately. 8mo

willaful @graywacke I'm sorry, I can't track down the story. It was about divorce and Wharton has written so much about that! As I remember it, the main character is a divorced woman who was ostracized, and she's utterly horrified to discover her own daughter (?) is getting divorced. It turns out that times have changed and no one cares anymore... yet it's impossible for her reputation to be repaired, even though the cause of it is no longer meaningful. 8mo

Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie I‘m sorry your people are sick! I hope they get better soon and you stay healthy! 8mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke @batsy We can always do some of her nonfiction as part of this. 8mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat ♥️🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 8mo

Graywacke @batsy she made Ruskin sound really special. 8mo

Graywacke @TheBookHippie oye, covid. A new wave going around the US. I‘m glad you‘ve avoided it, but sorry about your family. Thanks for chiming in. And yeah, Wharton gets us in stride quickly. (All those young moneyed clueless American lads parent-free in Europe… what could go wrong?) 8mo

Graywacke @willaful no worries. It sounds like a terrific Wharton story! 8mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie @batsy - maybe we should do something nonfiction next? I‘m all in. 8mo

TheBookHippie @Graywacke oh I‘m all in!!!! 8mo

TheBookHippie @Graywacke I‘m 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 it‘s all through our schools here. 😵‍💫🫣 8mo

batsy @Graywacke @Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie I'm keen, too! 8mo

Graywacke @batsy @Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie @arubabookwoman @batsy @CarolynM @Currey @dabbe @IndoorDame @jewright @Leftcoastzen @Tamra @willaful - see next post 8mo

Graywacke The options

Non-Fiction
- The Decoration of Houses, 1897
- Italian Villas and Their Gardens, 1904
- Italian Backgrounds, 1905
- A Motor-Flight Through France, 1908
- Fighting France, from Dunkerque to Belfort, 1915
- French Ways and Their Meaning, 1919
- In Morocco, 1920
- The Writing of Fiction, 1925
- A Backward Glance, 1934 (autobiography) 8mo

TheBookHippie It ALLLL looks good. I‘m saying we read it all 🤣 I‘ve been needing a Shakespeare replacement 💕 8mo

arubabookwoman I'm probably not in for Wharton's nonfiction. Will continue with her fiction. There's still some good ones to come, but I'm not sure I can be a completist. 8mo

Tamra @Graywacke I‘ll pass - feeling the squeeze with reading commitments. But thank you for inviting me. I‘m already enjoying the next short story in this collection. 😁 8mo

dabbe @TheBookHippie Sending hugs to you and your family. I hope everyone recovers quickly. 🧡💜💛 8mo

Lcsmcat @Graywacke @batsy @TheBookHippie I‘d vote for one of the travel books. I know she‘s justly famous for decorating but that holds less interest to me to read about. 8mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat @Graywacke @batsy I‘m not fussy and I love travel! 8mo

Graywacke @TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat Italian Backgrounds, the one @Batsy suggested?/brought up is a travel book

Italian Backgrounds

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Lcsmcat @Graywacke @TheBookHippie @batsy I‘m fine with that. 8mo

TheBookHippie @Graywacke Sounds good to me! 8mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat me too! 8mo

batsy @Graywacke @TheBookHippie I'm definitely in for Italian Backgrounds and maybe the Fiction book. Not so keen on the interior decor ones, either @Lcsmcat 🙂 8mo

jewright @Graywacke—I‘m in as long as I can locate a copy. I usually enjoy nonfiction. 8mo

jewright @TheBookHippie—I miss the Shakespeare reading. 8mo

AllDebooks Late to the oarty. I just started last night and I'm racing through it. Wharton never fails to impress me with her characters and vivid descriptions of everyday life. 8mo

AllDebooks @Graywacke I'm up for a non-fiction. Italian Backgrounds sounds perfect 8mo

Graywacke @AllDebooks glad you‘ve jumped in. No rush. Enjoy 🙂 8mo

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Leftcoastzen

Old New York | Edith Wharton

#whartonbuddyread finished False Dawn, the first of 4 novellas contained in Old New York. Looking forward to the discussion! The back endpapers of my old copy !

Lcsmcat, Graywacke

rubyslippersreads 😍😍😍 8mo

Graywacke That mysterious JR. Lovely volume. (I finished today too.) 8mo

batsy Just finished too and really enjoyed it! 8mo

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Leftcoastzen

Old New York | Edith Wharton

#whartonbuddyread Front endpapers False Dawn ,found a link about the artist. https://graphicarts.princeton.edu/2020/12/16/edward-colie-caswell/

Graywacke

dabbe 🤩🤩🤩 8mo

Lcsmcat Beautiful! 8mo

Tamra Love it! 8mo

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Leftcoastzen @Lcsmcat I meant to tag you too! Thx! 8mo

TheBookHippie Oh how lovely!!! 8mo

Graywacke Wow. That‘s really cool. 8mo

batsy That's lovely! 8mo

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Leftcoastzen

Old New York | Edith Wharton

#whartonbuddyread I have 2 of the 4 novellas in their original format. I will probably ebook the 2 I don‘t have . Here I go!

Lcsmcat, Graywacke

Lcsmcat Such a cool edition! I‘m using an eBook myself, but I love the old editions. 8mo

Graywacke Fantastic copy! (I‘m also using an ebook 😁) 8mo

batsy I'm envious of your copy! I too am using an ebook. 8mo

LeahBergen Beautiful edition! 8mo

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Graywacke

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Ok, I‘ve started. And I already feel very at home with like ten different characters. #whartonbuddyread

Tamra Enjoy!! 8mo

Lcsmcat Nice cover. And yes, we‘re seeing some Standard Wharton Characters aren‘t we? 8mo

batsy I hope to start tonight! 🤩 8mo

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TheBookHippie

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Getting coffee and some ginger snaps then I‘m reading part one for #whartonbuddyread

I‘m excited!

Graywacke

Tamra Enjoy! 😁 8mo

mrp27 Ohh I like your copy, great cover. 8mo

Graywacke Looks like a beautiful day. Enjoy! 8mo

batsy Pretty cover! 8mo

Lcsmcat That‘s a beautiful edition! 8mo

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Tamra

Old New York | Edith Wharton

I‘m up for some social snark from one of my favorite writers this morning! 😏

TheBookHippie Me too! 8mo

dabbe That needs to be a hashtag! #socialsnark 🤩🤣🤩 8mo

Tamra @dabbe totally!! 😂 8mo

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LitsyEvents

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Repost for @Graywacke

Just a reminder - #whartonbuddyread in September - which starts Friday !

LitsyEvents Original post: https://litsy.com/p/anpHRDZaeFFi 8mo

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Graywacke

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Just a reminder - #whartonbuddyread in September - which starts Friday !

Lcsmcat

Graywacke @AllDebooks @Ann_Reads @arubabookwoman @batsy @BookishTrish @CarolynM @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @Cathythoughts @Crazeedi @Currey @dabbe @Daisey @emilyhaldi @IMASLOWREADER 8mo

Graywacke @IndoorDame @jewright @KathyWheeler @Leftcoastzen @LitStephanie @llwheeler @Louise @rubyslippersreads @SamAnne @sarahbellum @Sparklemn @Suet624 @Tamra @TheBookHippie 8mo

batsy Yay! 8mo

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Leftcoastzen I second that Yay! 8mo

TheBookHippie Yay!!!! 8mo

TheBookHippie @batsy this classic should read better 🤣 8mo

Lcsmcat I‘m looking forward to this, but I CAN‘T BELIEVE SEPTEMBER IS ALMOST HERE!!!!! 😱 8mo

Liz_M @LitsyEvents 8mo

TheBookHippie @Lcsmcat I‘m in denial… 8mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @TheBookHippie … um … 😁 8mo

Graywacke @batsy @Leftcoastzen @TheBookHippie yes! (And I‘m wondering what classic you‘re referring to) 8mo

batsy @TheBookHippie Lol! @Graywacke in comparison to Lady Chatterley's Lover ... We just read it for the #SundayBuddyRead and it was 😵🤕🤯 8mo

Graywacke @batsy ouch! …and, interesting. I‘ve never read it. ( @TheBookHippie ) 8mo

TheBookHippie @Graywacke It is NOTHING like you think it‘s going to be that‘s for sure. @batsy has a spot on review posted on her page. It was a job to read 😵‍💫. I‘m glad we did read it but phew 😅. 8mo

jewright @batsy—It‘s quite the book! I didn‘t take the class that read it while I was in grad school, but I sure heard about it. I had to read it later to understand the fuss. 8mo

jewright I need to get started on this. School is going again, so I have less reading time. 8mo

willaful I'd like to join in if I may. 8mo

batsy @jewright "Quite the book" sums it up, for sure! ? 8mo

Graywacke @willaful certainly! Welcome 8mo

Daisey You can take my name out of the tag list for this one. It‘s not going to fit in my September reading. Thanks! 8mo

Graywacke @Daisey will do. Have a great reading month 🙂 8mo

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LitStephanie

Old New York | Edith Wharton

#rereadtheclassics #whartonbuddyread
Found just what I needed at our local bookstore for September's Wharton read and October's classics read. Plus picked up Ethan Frome for my mother-in-law, who was just evacuated due to a wildfire near her home. 😟🔥

Graywacke I‘m sorry about your mom. The books are beautiful 8mo

LitStephanie @Graywacke thank you. The fire passed her cabin by and she got to go back home! 8mo

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LitsyEvents

Old New York | Edith Wharton

repost for @Graywacke:

How does a September of Wharton sound?
#whartonbuddyread

This is collection of four novellas that all tie into The Age Innocence, first published together in 1924. Each is about 100 pages. I think one per week will work nicely.

original post:
https://www.litsy.com/web/post/2612952

kspenmoll Sounds good to me! 8mo

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TheBookHippie

Old New York | Edith Wharton

@Graywacke 🙃

Graywacke 🧡🧡🧡 9mo

Bklover Haven‘t seen this one before! Btw, are you still reading The Book of Cold Cases in August? (It‘s on my bedside table with a note that says “Christine 8/23”. 😬🤨🧐 9mo

TheBookHippie @Bklover we read it LAST August 2022😭😭😭😭 oh no!! 9mo

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TheBookHippie @Bklover pictured Wharton lucky thrift find! 9mo

Bklover Omg that‘s funny!!! It‘s obviously been sitting there well over a year! 😂😂😂. 9mo

TheBookHippie @Bklover been there .. 😔🤣 9mo

batsy Nice! 9mo

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Graywacke

Old New York | Edith Wharton

How does a September of Wharton sound?
#whartonbuddyread

This is collection of four novellas that all tie into The Age Innocence, first published together in 1924. Each is about 100 pages. I think one per week will work nicely.

Lcsmcat

Graywacke @AllDebooks @Ann_Reads @arubabookwoman @batsy @BookishTrish @CarolynM @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @Cathythoughts @Crazeedi @Currey @dabbe @Daisey @emilyhaldi @IMASLOWREADER @IndoorDame 9mo

Graywacke @jewright @KathyWheeler @Leftcoastzen @llwheeler @Louise @rubyslippersreads @SamAnne @sarahbellum @Sparklemn @Suet624 @Tamra @TheBookHippie 9mo

TheBookHippie Ohhhhh yes! I just found a fun copy thrifting!!! 9mo

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Graywacke @LitsyEvents 9mo

Graywacke @TheBookHippie perfect timing 💚 9mo

AllDebooks It sounds absolutely perfect, count me in 😊 9mo

jewright I‘m in! 9mo

Tamra I will look to see whether I have a copy of this collection - thanks for the tag! 9mo

dabbe I'll give 'er a go! 9mo

batsy Yessss! I'm in! 9mo

IndoorDame I‘m in! 9mo

Cathythoughts I‘ll give it my best shot 👍🏻❤️ September is back to school time , so hopefully I can settle down. 9mo

CarolynM I‘d like to try. I haven‘t had a lot of reading time lately and I still haven‘t got to A Son at the Front. Hopefully things will be more settled in September and I‘ll be able to read with you. 9mo

Currey I‘m in. 9mo

Louise I hope to carve out more Wharton time. My out-loud sessions lately have tended toward poetry and children‘s books. Will see how things look as September approaches. 💁🏻‍♀️ 9mo

arubabookwoman I will try to join in. We will be moved into our new house by then. 9mo

IMASLOWREADER perfect 9mo

Graywacke @AllDebooks @jewright @Tamra @dabbe @batsy @IndoorDame @Cathythoughts @CarolynM @Currey @Louise @arubabookwoman @IMASLOWREADER @TheBookHippie this is a great response. 👍 I think this will be fun. 9mo

Graywacke @Cathythoughts if you can, awesome. School is stressful 9mo

Graywacke @CarolynM wish you well 9mo

Graywacke @Louise you‘re reading poetry to your mom? That sounds lovely. 9mo

Graywacke @arubabookwoman wish you well with your move! 9mo

Cathythoughts Im not in school 😊 my grandkids are. I should have explained better. I just mean school/autumn is a quieter time. A time for settling back into a routine. 9mo

Graywacke @Cathythoughts I thought you must be a teacher, which is crazy stressful. That sounds way more pleasant! 9mo

Cathythoughts Absolutely 😁 9mo

jewright @arubabookwoman Good luck on the move. It‘s so much work. 9mo

Leftcoastzen Yay! I‘m slow, still reading the last one! 9mo

CarolynM Thanks, Dan 9mo

Tamra My copy in the mail - looking forward to this buddy read. 9mo

Graywacke @Leftcoastzen A Soldier was slow me. Hope you enjoy! 9mo

Graywacke @Tamra Wish your copy safe travels. 🙂 I‘m really happy you can join. 9mo

LitStephanie Can you please add me to the tag list for this read? 9mo

Louise @Graywacke Thank you, Dan! Yes, it really is lovely to share poetry with my mom. Reading poetry out loud helps us to appreciate the cadences, internal rhymes, and other magical little things one might otherwise gloss over. 9mo

Graywacke @LitStephanie oh definitely. (yay 🙂) 9mo

Graywacke @Louise I always mean to read poetry out loud, then chicken out. Anyway, i agree that it gives poetry a new appreciation. 9mo

Lcsmcat How‘d I miss this?!?! My head has been buried in some lost minutes that were recently recovered, ironically enough, from this era - 1909 to 1927. But I‘m definitely in! 😀 (edited) 9mo

Graywacke @Lcsmcat ha! Welcome back to our time. Glad you found this post. 9mo

Sparklemn I'd like to join in!
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introvertedbooks

Old New York | Edith Wharton

My schedule has been super busy lately. Yesterday I went to the njala conference and today I'm meeting a friend in NYC who is visiting from Cali. I seem to be entering a bit of a reading slump which is killing me. Might have to do a reread soon so I can get back on track. #springreads #nyc #travel

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theresidentromantic

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Doing some research for my book today, I made these maps I'm proud of with all the ethnic neighborhoods of 1870. As your fun fact of the day, expensive SoHo was once the hub of the sex district! Mercer St had 21 brothels on it and pamphlets with addresses and reviews were discreetly given to visitors and rich men, like yelp! #oldny #gildedagenyc

Jerdencon I love stuff like that! 6y

theresidentromantic @Jerdencon You should Google some of these pamphlets! The bad reviews are so funny. 6y

Jerdencon I am definitely going to - and think about them next time I'm in that area! Lol 6y

CoverToCoverGirl It‘s so interesting how things change over time.. 6y

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SharonGoforth

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Edith Wharton, telling it like it is.

Moray_Reads Pulling zero punches! 7y

SharonGoforth @Moray_Reads Truth!! 7y

kspenmoll 👏 7y

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SharonGoforth

Old New York | Edith Wharton

The first novella in this book is False Dawn, which takes place in 1840's New York and is about a domineering father who tries to control his son. Here, she describes the "benefits" of The Grand Tour that the son is about to embark on. As usual, Wharton leaves no doubt as to her feelings about male dominance and the culture of the time.

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SharonGoforth

Old New York | Edith Wharton

Trying to read books that have been on my TBR for a long time. It's been awhile since I've read Edith Wharton, and I've had this book since January of 2006! #readingmyshelves

Cinfhen I guess this title qualifies 7y

SharonGoforth @cinfhen Yep...😬 7y

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ValerieAndBooks

Old New York | Edith Wharton

I ❤️ Edith Wharton and would recommend her in a #newyorkminute. Several of her works were set in the Gilded Age New York City. Here's a couple of them. It's been years since I last read her, though!

Cinfhen

batsy Agreed. Love her! 7y

Cinfhen 😍😍our book club voted to read Edith Wharton this upcoming November

Custom of the Country

LauraBrook She's one of my favorites too! I'm nearly done with my reread of The Age of Innocence and if anything, I love it more than before. Edith is fantastic! 7y

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ValerieAndBooks @batsy glad to see another Wharton fan 😊! 7y

saresmoore I've never read her work! Time to remedy that, I think. Especially with the added emphasis from @batsy @Cinfhen @LauraBrook ! 7y

ValerieAndBooks @Cinfhen Custom of the Country is fantastic. I love it. I hope you do, too. The only reason it wasn't included in this picture is because it's part of a Wharton three-book edition, of which aren't all set in New York. 7y

ValerieAndBooks @LauraBrook I've often thought I need to do a Wharton re-reading project-- maybe this summer I'll do it! I also still have a couple of hers that are yet TBR. 7y

ValerieAndBooks @saresmoore yes! Do it. I wouldn't recommend Ethan Frome to be your first Wharton, however. It's good but IMO a departure from her NYC books. 7y

batsy @ValerieAndBooks @LauraBrook I haven't read all of her books yet, either. You guys have reminded me that I should. @saresmoore Definitely give her a try! @Cinfhen I really enjoyed Custom too ☺️ 7y

LauraBrook @ValerieAndBooks I have most of her more well-known books TBR, and have read the lesser known ones like Glimpses of the Moon and her Mediterranean traveling diary. I'd be up (or is that down?) for a reread project! And @saresmoore I agree w Valerie's advice. Ethan is good just atypical. (edited) 7y

MeganAnn I second @saresmoore ... I've never read her work but you all have convinced me it's about time! Gilded age New York is right up my alley. 7y

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