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squirrelbrain

Joined June 2017

Speed-reader who's trying to slow down...
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Birthday book haul! Top and bottom books are from a non-Litsy friend, and puzzle books are from hubby, for the campervan when it‘s raining outside. ☔️

Thank you to all my lovely Litten friends - @jhod @Caroline2 @quietlycuriouskate @Oryx @Cathythoughts and to @TrishB @julesG @MicheleinPhilly for the vouchers and @Hooked_on_books for the Libro.fm credits.

You‘re all wonderful! ❤️❤️❤️

julesG ❤️❤️ 2d
mcctrish Happy Birthday! Looks like a wonderful haul 2d
Cathythoughts Lovely Helen. I loved The Weekend. Happy Birthday to you xxx 🎂 😘 2d
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Ruthiella Happy Birthday! 🥳🥳🥳 2d
quietlycuriouskate You are very welcome! These should keep you going for...how long? About a fortnight? 😉 2d
squirrelbrain Maybe 3 weeks?! @quietlycuriouskate 😜 I‘ve been wanting to read Shark Heart for aaages and nearly bought it so many times so thank you! 2d
squirrelbrain @Cathythoughts I‘m sure I will love The Weekend too, if you did. Thank you so much for Shy - I‘m intrigued that you said they‘re making a film about it. 2d
Chelsea.Poole Great stack! Happy birthday! 2d
Hooked_on_books Nice haul! Happiest of Birthdays! 🥳 2d
Bookwormjillk Happy birthday 🎂 2d
Deblovestoread Happy birthday! 🎂🎈🎉 2d
TrishB Fabulous gifts! Have fun reading ❤️ 2d
AmyG Wonderful. I loved Shark Heart. Enjoy your gifts! 2d
squirrelbrain Thank you! I‘m a very lucky girl to get so many fab books! @Chelsea.Poole @Hooked_on_books @TrishB @AmyG 2d
BarbaraBB Such a wonderful haul! Great friends. And I too love to puzzle when on vacation 🙂. Have fun! 2d
Lesliereadsalot Ooh…Shark Heart!! And happiest birthday 🎉🎁🥳 (edited) 2d
TheLudicReader Happy birthday. 1d
squirrelbrain Thank you @BarbaraBB - I might be doing lots of crosswords…. We arrived 2 hours ago and the weather is terrible! 🌧️💨 😬 21h
Velvetfur Happy belated birthday! I hope you had a fantastically nutty time, in keeping with your username 😁 ❤️ 19h
BarbaraBB That‘s a pity. We do have an extremely sunny weekend (28°C) but from tomorrow temperatures go down. I hope for you it will be dry at least 16h
squirrelbrain Thank you @Velvetfur - I had a fabulous day! 16h
squirrelbrain @BarbaraBB - my FiL is in The Hague and I thought he was joking when he told us how warm it was! 🤷‍♀️ 16h
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Peter is a workaholic asylum lawyer in NYC, hooking up with men on occasion but with no close relationships, including with his mother. She is a former church minister who runs a women‘s retreat.

The retreat parts of the book offer a quiet contemplative space, that contrasts with the violence and rending of both Peter‘s work and his past, as we slowly uncover what has led him to now and to the estrangement from his mother. Loved it!

BarbaraBB Good to know. I just bought this one too 1w
Lesliereadsalot I love this author! His first book Imagine Me Gone is one of my all time favorites. 1w
Cathythoughts Stacked 👍🏻❤️ 7d
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squirrelbrain I shall have to try that one too! @Lesliereadsalot 7d
TheKidUpstairs Can you email me your address? I've got something I want to send you, and it was going to be a fun surprise but now I can't find where I had your address 🤦‍♀️ megansbrady @ gmail.com 6d
squirrelbrain Oooh exciting! @TheKidUpstairs I‘ll email you now. 😘 6d
quietlycuriouskate @squirrelbrain Hi, Helen. Just to let you know, there should be an Amazon parcel from me arriving tomorrow. 5d
squirrelbrain Aw,thank you Kate! 😘 @quietlycuriouskate 5d
squirrelbrain @quietlycuriouskate - your parcel arrived, thank you! I‘m saving it until tomorrow…. 3d
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Endling | Maria Reva
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It‘s definitely a book-related post, even though it may not look like it!

A rare ‘lefty‘ snail is one of the main characters in the tagged book, longlisted for the #bookerprize. 😝

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/27/campaign-find-love-left-spiralling...

CBee I hope Ned finds love! 🐌 2w
charl08 Aw. Poor Ned. 2w
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Jas16 We‘re rooting for you Ned! 2w
BarbaraBB I have no clue what you‘re talking about but I guess I‘ll find out! 2w
Suet624 No way!!!! 1w
Suet624 @BarbaraBB it‘s a major character in the book Endling. 1w
CarolynM Any in your garden @Centique ? 1w
squirrelbrain You‘ll see when you read the book! @BarbaraBB 1w
Centique @CarolynM ill have to look! 1w
Dralex090 L I have never seen app like this . As a book lover I am excited to be in this app.I am new here. Nice to meet you dear 1w
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The Booker Prize | Booker Prize
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Aaand…. I‘ve finished the #bookerlonglist!

Above is my list, in approximate order. I‘m disappointed that, while I enjoyed a lot of these, none will make my best of the year as I‘d always hope to find 1 or 2 absolute gems on a prize list.

The first 4 were all at the same level, but I just don‘t think the Markovits is a Booker book. Oddly, I‘d substitute in Misinterpretation, despite it being lower down the list than others. ⬇️

squirrelbrain I admire it a lot more than The South, The Land In Winter and One Boat. I enjoyed all 3 of those but they were all rather ‘plain‘, not daring or different, whereas Misinterpretation certainly was, even if I felt the author didn‘t nail the ending. 2w
AmyG Wow! Congrats! 2w
BarbaraBB Congrats on finishing so fast! However, it doesn‘t sound like the best experience. I‘ve read only a few and so far, agree with you. Nothing stand out yet but I have a lot more reading to do! 2w
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Susanita 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 2w
Jas16 Woah! Well done. I am still slowly making my way through but given how lackluster everyone seems to be finding the majority of the list I wish I had waited for the short list. (edited) 2w
ChaoticMissAdventures Wow great job! Sorry it is a bit of a disappointment year. I still haven't cracked any open but I am interested in a couple of them. Seascraper for sure. 2w
charl08 Really interesting to hear. I think I'll probably only get to five or six before the shortlist is announced (depending on the library books that turn up). 2w
Chelsea.Poole Nicely done! I am looking forward to Seascraper, for sure! My next up will be Flashlight and Endling, so I'm happy to see they're on the top of your list. 2w
Tamra I haven‘t felt compelled to read any of them. 😒 Thank you for sharing your thoughts - it helps me decide whether I should read any of them. (edited) 2w
Amiable Nice work! 2w
ImperfectCJ I am impressed! I have three of them arriving in the mail today and several I'm nearing on the library holds list, so hopefully I'll have a few more finished soon (only two done so far). 2w
Ruthiella Amazing! 👏👏👏 Glad to see Endlings and Flashlight fairly high. Those are the two that interest me the most. 2w
Leniverse Well done! I have holds on almost everything, but I can't say that I'm feeling too impatient to get to most of them. I just started The South, and I think it might be one of those books that there's nothing wrong with but it just doesn't grab my interest. You know? I'll give it a bit longer though. 2w
Graywacke Congrats on finishing. I‘m having a good Booker experience, but then i‘m also in deep love with Audition. I‘m on book 8 right now 2w
Lesliereadsalot Way to go! Sorry this group wasn‘t better! 2w
JamieArc I‘m impressed! I‘m not as eager to read them this year but I‘m following posts and will be reading a few soon. 2w
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures - Seascraper is one I‘d recommend for sure! 2w
squirrelbrain I hope you enjoy those that you read! @charl08 @ImperfectCJ 2w
squirrelbrain @Chelsea.Poole @ruthiella - those two are definitely worth the read - I look forward to hearing your thoughts. 2w
squirrelbrain @Graywacke - it‘s not that I had a bad experience, just not a stellar one! But you‘ve liked the books that I didn‘t, so hopefully your experience will continue to be great! 2w
TheKidUpstairs Congrats on finishing the list! I've rather enjoyed my Booker reading this year, but have been pretty selective with what I'm reading from the list. I seem to be the only one who loved The South, it really struck a chord with me. I would also put Flashlight and Endling on my short list, both multi layered and impressive reads. I'm not going to be a completist this year, but I've got a hold on the Desai and I've got Seascraper pre-ordered. 2w
squirrelbrain @TheKidUpstairs - I think you‘ll really enjoy the Desai and Seascraper. I think I‘d probably have loved South if I‘d have read it in print. 🤷‍♀️ 1w
JenP Congrats on finishing the list! My order so far is pretty different from yours but nice to see all your reviews 1w
squirrelbrain I can see that your order so far is quite different @JenP but that‘s the beauty of the Booker - it‘s never easy or predictable! 1w
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A very long, epic story, but one that kept me engrossed throughout. Sonia and Sunny have both left India for the US, and are both lonely in their different ways.

This detailed, immersive book follows their lives and those of their meddling families as they‘re all drawn together and apart over the years.

There was a small amount of magical realism, which I didn‘t like and a bit too much introspection on occasion, but overall a fabulous read.

Deblovestoread I am first in line on library hold when they receive their copy. Your review makes me so glad I am! 😍 2w
squirrelbrain It takes a lot of commitment @Deblovestoread but it‘s worth it - I kept being drawn back to it. Also, I usually read a few books at once but this one just took over, in a good way! 2w
Cathythoughts Great review! Stacked ♥️ 2w
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A Language of Limbs | Dylin Hardcastle
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Thank you Barbara for my lovely gifts!

As you know, the tagged book has been on my radar for some time after all the Aussie Littens read it and raved about it!

And Slanting Towards The Sea is a fairly new addition to my wish list, having seen stellar reviews from @Jas16 @Lesliereadsalot .

I‘m looking forward to reading both at the same time/ similar time to you - maybe even a #buddyread at Gladstone‘s?!

Lesliereadsalot Two wonderful books! You will love them! 2w
youneverarrived These both sound fab! 2w
Jas16 So excited for you to read them both! 2w
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TrishB Loved the tagged one! 2w
ChaoticMissAdventures I have been wanting to read Language of Limbs, I hear great things! 2w
LeeRHarry Can‘t wait for your thoughts on the tagged book! I really hope you love it. 😊 2w
BarbaraBB Happy I made the right choice but I was fairly sure this time! I‘d love to do a buddyread at Gladstone‘s 😘 2w
BarbaraBB @Lesliereadsalot I bought them both because of your reviews! Copies for myself too 🤪 2w
Lesliereadsalot @BarbaraBB I‘m still thinking about Language of Limbs weeks later. My favorite book of the year.. 2w
BarbaraBB @Lesliereadsalot That‘s quite the recommendation! I‘ll read it next month! 2w
squirrelbrain Wow, that is some recommendation! @Lesliereadsalot 2w
squirrelbrain I‘ll try not to read one or both of them before Gladstone‘s then! 😜 @BarbaraBB 2w
BarbaraBB Fun! Just adding to the anticipation of that weekend! 2w
Lesliereadsalot @BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain OK you two! What‘s Gladstone‘s because I‘m jealous whatever it is! 2w
BarbaraBB It‘s a library annex hotel in Wales where some Littens spend a few days each September. Last year I went for the first time. It‘s great. It‘s reading all day in the most gorgeous surroundings and catching up likeminded bookish people. Am I forgetting something Helen? Anyway, you‘re very welcome to join us Leslie 😀 2w
squirrelbrain No you‘re not forgetting anything @BarbaraBB apart from perhaps cake! You‘d be more than welcome to to join us @Lesliereadsalot - there‘s 11 of us this year, from the UK, Germany, the US and of course B from The Netherlands. It‘s in a month‘s time so maybe a bit short notice this year, but we‘ve already booked our slot for next year! https://www.gladstoneslibrary.org/ (edited) 2w
Lesliereadsalot @BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain Now I‘m really jealous! It sounds amazing. When are you going this year and next year? Is it Gladfest? 2w
squirrelbrain @Lesliereadsalot - it‘s Thursday 25th Sept until the Sunday. It‘s not actually Gladfest - we do our own thing. 😊 Next year will be roughly the same weekend. I hope you will think about coming! (edited) 2w
Lesliereadsalot @squirrelbrain Thanks for all the info on Gladstone‘s! I wish I could come this year, but I‘ll definitely try for next year. 🩷 2w
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I finished #14books14weeks! 🎉🎉🎉

I substituted 2 books - I replaced Audition with Small Boat, as I‘d read Audition before we even started! 🤦‍♀️ And I had a digital ARC of The Mobius Book that turned out to only have 3 pages 🤷‍♀️, so I replaced that with Gabriele as I joined in the June buddy read for that.

A real mix of books - some that I loved and a few that were not so good!

Thanks @Liz_M for hosting such a fun challenge!

kspenmoll Yay! I have one more week to go. It has been fun-at least 14 more books off my TBR Towers! 3w
Deblovestoread Well done! 🙌🏼 3w
LiteraryinPA Major congrats! 3w
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BarbaraBB Lol you joined against your will 🤪 and are probably the first to finish 😘 2w
squirrelbrain Although I wonder how many books I added to the tower in that time! 🤣 @kspenmoll 2w
squirrelbrain You know me @barbarabb - I can‘t #resistthelist! 🤣 2w
CarolynM Well done 🎉 I'm a third of the way through no.13. Still hoping to get it done! 2w
squirrelbrain You‘ve got this! 😝 @CarolynM 2w
Liz_M Amazing! I too love the lists and the extra bit of motivation provided (not that you needed it) 😊 7d
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Flashlight | Susan Choi
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#bookerlonglist #12

I loved this epic, character driven chunkster. Louisa goes walking on a Japanese beach with her father one night. Sometime later Louisa is found, barely alive. Her father is never found.

We look back at their lives, and those of other peripheral characters, & also at the post-war history of Japan / Korea and China, a period of time I don‘t know much about and found fascinating.

At the top of my list, alongside Seascraper.

TheKidUpstairs Great review! I've got this one lined up next 👍😁 3w
BarbaraBB Sounds like a book for me too! 3w
JamieArc I just got Seascraper today! It was out for a little while after the Longlist was announced so I‘m glad to finally get it. 3w
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squirrelbrain I hope you enjoy it as much as I did! @TheKidUpstairs 3w
squirrelbrain Yes, I think you‘d really like it @BarbaraBB 3w
squirrelbrain @JamieArc - I‘m sure you‘ll enjoy Seascraper - looking forward to hearing your thoughts. 3w
Cathythoughts Great review Helen , I like the sound of this one. Stacked. 3w
squirrelbrain I think you‘ll really like it @cathythoughts (edited) 3w
Chelsea.Poole I have this one checked out. Happy to hear it‘s a winner for you! 3w
Hooked_on_books I was originally going to avoid this one, as I HATED her last book. But this sounds completely different and also interesting to me. I have it on hold, so we‘ll see where I land on it! 3w
squirrelbrain @Hooked_on_books - I haven‘t read any of her authors so can‘t compare. I hope you like it! 🤞 3w
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I don‘t play computer games, but this sounds really cute - run your own bookshop recommending books to people!

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2025/aug/11/tiny-bookshop-review

Even better - hubby says he‘ll build me a real one out of a horse-box or an ice-cream van! 😝

Anyone want to join me?! We could have a little fleet of Tiny Bookshops on wheels - visiting the seaside, eating cake and talking about books!

robinb How wonderful that sounds! 💚 3w
BarbaraJean I love this so much!! 3w
RowReads1 I might get a used Switch to play it on. 3w
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Tamra Ideal retirement gig! 3w
Cathythoughts Sounds great Helen 🥰 3w
julesG When do we start this tiny empire? 3w
Lesliereadsalot I‘m in! 3w
wildwoodreads I‘m in! When do we start? 😂 3w
squirrelbrain It would be perfect wouldn‘t it?! @robinb @barbarajean @tamra 3w
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Albion: A Novel | Anna Hope
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Mehso-so

The Brooke family gather together in their country pile to bury their husband / father / unfaithful philanderer. They‘re all nearly as unlikeable as he is, and all out for what they can get.

I just don‘t think this was the right book for me right now - too much anger and angst and, while I often enjoy reading about ‘bad‘ people, this time it just felt too much.

There was also one aspect of the story that wasn‘t covered in enough depth.

BarbaraBB You do have time for other books beside the Bookers? I‘m in awe! 3w
squirrelbrain I‘m not sure how at the moment with so much time at work, @BarbaraBB but you know how fast I read! 😜 3w
LeeRHarry I recently DNFed the tagged book - I wasn‘t in the mood to read about a bunch of friends in their 20s and then 30s and all their problems. 3w
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squirrelbrain I remember you saying you were going to read a book by the same author @LeeRHarry - I wish I‘d DNFd this one, particularly as it‘s a library book, but I find it so tough to bail. 🤷‍♀️ 3w
BarbaraBB Yes. Can‘t wait to watch you and @TrishB race through those pages at Gladstone‘s! 3w
TrishB @BarbaraBB I‘m so looking forward to some proper reading time! 3w
TrishB I‘m glad I got this on a 99p. 3w
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Endling | Maria Reva
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#bookerlonglist #11

I found the first half of the book really compelling and intriguing, with the mix of marriage-bureau and saving the snails. (sounds odd but kind-of works!)

I also liked the meta-fiction elements, where the author inserts her own thoughts on the Ukraine war into the storyline.

Later on, it all started to get a bit dis-jointed and I didn‘t think the author quite nailed the ending.

squirrelbrain It still deserves a place on the shortlist though for its sheer breadth and inventiveness. 4w
ChaoticMissAdventures So the Endling didn't Ending well? 🤣 4w
Hooked_on_books This was on my radar before the Booker list came out and its inclusion pushed me over the edge to get it. I‘m looking forward to it! And @ChaoticMissAdventures I was going to make a similar pun! 😂 4w
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TheKidUpstairs Just finished this one today, will post my review soon. Short version: I loved it 😁👍 4w
TheKidUpstairs I really liked the slightly disjointed ending. It seemed to fit with “The Author“'s inability to make sense of art and war, and her increased need to find a way to save her grandfather, even if only on the page, knowing she would never be able to do it in reality. 3w
monalyisha Totally thought the pun was going to be that she didn‘t quite “(s)nail” the ending. 🐌😅 3w
BarbaraBB Curious about this one after reading @TheKidUpstairs review too. 3w
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures @Hooked_on_books @monalyisha LOL - it was a bit *startling* in places too! 🤦‍♀️ 3w
squirrelbrain Holly - I had the ARC a few weeks before the longlist came out - I just hadn‘t had chance to read it. 3w
squirrelbrain I think you‘ll love it @BarbaraBB 3w
squirrelbrain I liked the grandfather part, @TheKidUpstairs - I felt that the introduction of Pasha and his storyline at the end, was either not enough depth or too much distraction. I know that doesn‘t make sense - it just felt a bit ‘tacked on‘ to me. 3w
monalyisha @squirrelbrain Love it. 🤩😅 3w
TheKidUpstairs @squirrelbrain yes, I agree that the Pasha as artist part was unnecessary. I think my brain just glossed over that because I loved the rest so much! 3w
TheKidUpstairs @monalyisha 🤣🤣🤣 3w
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Popped into the library after my supermarket shop this morning, to pick up two holds from my Booker predictions spreadsheet (top 2)

I saw the author of the 3rd book speak at the Crimewriting Festival recently, liked the sound of the book, but not enough to want to buy a hardback copy 😬 so I was glad to see it on the ‘new in‘ shelf.

And then there was a book sale….. oops! I‘m doing my bit supporting local libraries, of course!

tpixie Amazing book haul! 1mo
BarbaraBB Good haul! I‘ve been very curious about 1mo
CSeydel Impressed that your library already has People Like Us! It just came out this week! A book club I‘m in picked it for our next meeting and none of my local libraries have it yet 1mo
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squirrelbrain Yes, they even had 2 copies @CSeydel ! My reservation had arrived but when I went in, it was on the ‘new‘ shelf so I thought they hadn‘t put my reservation aside, but they had. 🤷‍♀️ 1mo
CSeydel Sweet! 1mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Excited to hear what you think of the Jason Mott, it is on my list! I loved the Viola Davis biography, it is heartbreaking but her resilience is awe inspiring. 1mo
Suet624 I look forward to reading Mott‘s book. 1mo
TrishB A good morning‘s activities! 1mo
squirrelbrain I‘ve been wanting to read the Davis for some time, having seen so many stellar reviews @ChaoticMissAdventures 1mo
JillR My library hasn‘t got anything from the Booker yet - I was quite puzzled and wondering if I‘m searching correctly! I fancy quite a few this year (although as usual I might wait and see what you think haha) 4w
squirrelbrain @JillR - my library (N Yorks) has a few and a lot of them appeared on BorrowBox in the last week. I‘m halfway through number 12 now and there‘s a few good ones but nothing stellar. Seascraper is my favourite still. 4w
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The South | Tash Aw
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#bookerlonglist #10

I did really like this but struggled with the audio at the start. Definitely a case of me though, not the book. Listening on my commute and having lots of work-related stress meant I was very distracted and kept losing the thread. Although I don‘t think the constant changing of POV and from first to third person helped.

The ending was very sudden, but to be expected when it‘s the first in a series of four. I will read more.

ChaoticMissAdventures This is one of my most anticipated on the list! Glad to hear you enjoyed it.
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Graywacke Yay! Ten down. I have it in hardcover, so I‘ll avoid audio 1mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I wished I‘d read it in hard copy. @ChaoticMissAdventures @Graywacke 1mo
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Rest of Our Lives | Benjamin Markovits
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#9 from the #bookerlonglist and one that I really enjoyed.

I get the Strout comparisons, from the POV of a monologue that goes off at tangents about random people from the past and present. However, it‘s definitely not the ‘male All Fours‘ - not even remotely. That‘s just a lazy comparison because the protagonist takes off on a road trip without telling anyone, in this case having just dropped his daughter off at college.

BarbaraBB Great review 1mo
TheKidUpstairs Great review! I was put off by the All Fours comparisons, because while I loved that book I have zero interest in reading anything like it from a male POV. So I'm glad to hear that's lazy marketing (I HATE lazy comparisons) rather than actual vibes. 1mo
Graywacke Interesting! It‘s on order. Has shipped… 1mo
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squirrelbrain Thanks @BarbaraBB @TheKidUpstairs - yes, definitely lazy marketing, Megan. 🙄 1mo
squirrelbrain Hope you enjoy when it arrives! @Graywacke 1mo
Caroline2 Yay! So glad you enjoyed it. I really liked it too. 👍 and it‘s defo not a male all fours. 4w
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Flesh: A Novel | David Szalay
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This is #8 from the #bookerlonglist and another one I wasn‘t overly excited to pick up. There‘s a lot of (inappropriate) sex at the start and I really dislike that on audio ?.

As the book continued, though, I grew to like and appreciate the MC, István, even though he remains monosyllabic throughout a life that just seems to happen to him.

Currently, this would make my shortlist, albeit from a longlist where nothing is standing out yet.

Jas16 I am so curious about this one. I don‘t think I will like it but would love to be surprised. 1mo
AnneCecilie I loved his previous book that was on the Longlist a few years ago and have high hopes for this one 1mo
squirrelbrain I thought the same @jas16 but the MC evokes a curious kind of sympathy. (Or at least he did in me) I thought it might be all about toxic masculinity and it felt a bit like that at the start, but it did change as the book went on. 1mo
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squirrelbrain @AnneCecilie - I haven‘t read anything else by this author.I may try the previous Booker-nominee. 1mo
BarbaraBB I had high hopes of this one because I loved some of his other books. I will now temper my expectations 1mo
Cathythoughts I was going to steer clear of this one, but now your review is making me curious , I‘ll give a go. I may have to skim over some of the sex though 😅 1mo
squirrelbrain I actually did like it @BarbaraBB - I‘m sure you will too if you like his other books! 1mo
squirrelbrain It‘s easier to skim in print @Cathythoughts - which is why I don‘t like sex scenes on audio…you can‘t skim-listen! 1mo
Caroline2 Hmm I‘m on the fence on this one. I‘m on the waiting list at library. Think it‘s defo a borrow not buy book for me. 4w
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Of course I still needed to borrow more books from the library, even though I‘m reading the #bookerlonglist.

And of course I‘m still waiting for another 6 holds to come in - these are all books that I reserved ‘just in case‘ they made the longlist and that I still want to read anyhow! 🤦‍♀️😜

Jas16 It is good that I did not make any public Booker predictions because none of the ones I put on hold anticipating their inclusion made the list. I am also still going to read them so my library holds are out of control. 1mo
squirrelbrain I made my first ever ‘public‘ prediction @jas16 and it was rubbish! 😜 I‘m sure I‘ll find many more books I will think *should* have been included. 1mo
Jas16 @squirrelbrain complaining about what *should* have been included is half the fun. 1mo
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LeeRHarry Expectation by Anna Hope is my next read! 😊 (edited) 1mo
squirrelbrain Is that an older one than Albion? @LeeRHarry I don‘t *think* I‘ve ready any from this author before. 1mo
LeeRHarry @squirrelbrain it is - it was a recommendation by someone, I don‘t remember who, as is often the case. 😄 1mo
squirrelbrain I hope you enjoy @LeeRHarry - I need to read Albion soon as someone else has it on hold at the library. 🙄 1mo
Caroline2 Oh I have Albion and Boys too. Can‘t wait to hear what you think of them. 👍 1mo
squirrelbrain I‘ll let you know if / when I get to them @Caroline2 - the amount of hours I‘m working, Albion will be due back at the library before I can get to it. 🤷‍♀️ 1mo
Caroline2 Yeah library books do put the time pressure on don‘t they! 1mo
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Misinterpretation | Ledia Xhoga
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#bookerlonglist book 7

Another one that I wasn‘t overly enthusiastic about but I really liked the first part. The narrator is an Albanian translator in NYC who gets too involved with her clients, leading to misunderstandings with her husband, and even danger to herself.

I thought this would likely make my shortlist but then the final third got really confusing, with no loose ends tied up and too many unanswered questions.

A soft pick.

Jas16 I am about a third of way through this now. 1mo
Hooked_on_books I read this several months ago and it hasn‘t stuck at all 🤷🏼‍♀️ 1mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Too bad. This year's list has been rough! 1mo
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The Booker Prize | Booker Prize
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The (UK) Times newspaper has published its thought on the #bookerlonglist, including 2 word summaries at the end of each review. They think the overall theme this year is ‘quietness‘ and their winner is Flesh.

My thoughts on these:

1. Everyone else but me seems to adore Love Forms.

2. I‘m not sure we should trust a reviewer that hasn‘t got an ARC of Sonia & Sunny and therefore hasn‘t read it! 🤣

What do you think of these 2 word synopses?

ChaoticMissAdventures How did the Times person not get an ARC of S&S? Even I have one over here across the pond! 1mo
BarbaraBB It is kind of funny yet one dimensional. I still have no clue which books to read except for the ones you recommended! 1mo
Cathythoughts What !?! I started a sample of Flesh … but I wasn‘t ready or in the mood to continue… Very interesting 🤔 1mo
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TheKidUpstairs Hard to know, because I haven't ready many as of yet. But "probably divisive" is definitely in line with our #CampLitsy25 reviews. And I'm about halfway through The South, it is definitely a quiet book, and so far I agree with "yes please" - I'm loving this one! 1mo
Cathythoughts I‘m drawn to The Land in Winter. 1mo
AnneCecilie I find them interesting. And Audition is probably true, which has me believing the other two words reviews (edited) 1mo
squirrelbrain I have one too! @ChaoticMissAdventures Clearly they are not ahead of the game when it comes to books - I requested mine ages ago! 1mo
squirrelbrain Yes, Flesh is, um, interesting at the start @Cathythoughts - there‘s a LOT of sex! I think you‘ll like The Land in Winter though. 1mo
squirrelbrain Yes, the Audition comment is definitely true, isn‘t it?! @thekidupstairs @annececilie 1mo
squirrelbrain I‘m glad you‘re enjoying The South @thekidupstairs - I have it lined up on audio when I‘ve finished Flesh. 1mo
Chelsea.Poole I actually like these two words—helps me keep them separate in my mind like “oh that‘s the masculine mystery one” lol 1mo
TheKidUpstairs @Cathythoughts @squirrelbrain I don't know what it is about Flesh that just doesn't appeal to me at this point 🙃 I had it out from the library, but with so many others I'd rather read on the pile I brought it back. I may try again if it's shortlisted! 1mo
squirrelbrain Yes, it‘s not a ‘pleasant‘ read / listen @TheKidUpstairs @Cathythoughts - I can see the value in it but can‘t say I‘m enjoying it. 1mo
squirrelbrain That‘s the only one that‘s descriptive though @Chelsea.Poole - the others are opinions,one of which doesn‘t agree with me so they must be wrong! 🤣 1mo
Leniverse I thought the "who knows" comment was really funny. Whether or not they could get a review copy, it's a nice dig at how late in the game it's being published 1mo
CarolynM I‘m intrigued by the response to Universality. I‘m planning to read it very soon because I liked her first book a lot. The rest of them are not really on my radar yet. 1mo
sarahbarnes Like @CarolynM I‘m intrigued by the review of Universality. Just got a copy of that one from the library. I‘m not interested in all the books on the longlist but a few are catching my eye - Misinterpretation, Endling, The Land in Winter, One Boat. And I did really like Audition so happy to see it on the list. 1mo
squirrelbrain @sarahbarnes - you might have seen from my reviews that I liked One Boat and Misinterpretation started well but fizzled out. I read Winter some time ago and liked it. Just started Endling. 😊 1mo
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One Boat | Jonathan Buckley
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#bookerlonglist book 6

I chose this one first from the hard copy Booker books that I have as it has the lowest GR score on the longlist, but I really liked it!

It reminded me very much of Deborah Levy‘s August Blue, not only for the Greek setting, but also for its introspective nature.

It did veer a little bit towards didacticism on occasion, around the subject of philosophy, but they‘re only short passages in an otherwise interesting book.

JamieArc I think I have this one arriving soon. It‘s one I keep seeing popping up with positive reviews. 1mo
BarbaraBB Interesting! I purchased this one too, one of the few. I don‘t think I‘ll read the whole longlist. For now that is 😇 1mo
youneverarrived Loved August Blue - stacking 🤍 1mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures Good to know, I wasn't initially drawn to it, but Fitzcarraldo always does things that will make you think. So I might try it if I can get it from the library.
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TrishB I will use your reviews to decide which to read! 1mo
Graywacke Yay. Fantastic 1mo
AnneCecilie Interesting that you are comparing it to Deborah Levy which makes me want to read it more 1mo
Chelsea.Poole I still need to read August Blue, thanks for the reminder and the review for this one! 1mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I think you‘ll like it @youneverarrived 1mo
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The Axeman's Carnival | Catherine Chidgey
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I adored this - one of my faves of the year so far. I think it‘s one worth listening to on audio, although I now can‘t get the bird out of my head! Miaow.

Tama, a magpie, is rescued by Marnie and becomes a social media star as he can talk. Marnie‘s husband is the local celebrated ‘axeman‘ but is also an angry man and takes it out on Marnie.

It was quite obvious where the story was going but, OMG, it was still so tense towards the end.

TrishB Sounds good 👍🏻 1mo
BarbaraBB Glad you loved it - as expected ❤️❤️ 1mo
CarolynM A contender for my book of the year too😊 1mo
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One Boat | Jonathan Buckley
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Why, yes, I did just spend considerable time choosing bookmarks to match my weekend reads!

The cream book is an undressed ‘The Homemade God‘.

@Oryx - recognise the lilac bookmark? 😊

Cuilin I approve the time, energy and art that went into this. 🔖 1mo
TheKidUpstairs Well matched! Glad I'm not the only one who does this 🤣 1mo
Aims42 Love matching bookmarks & books!!! 1mo
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AmyG Priorities! 1mo
squirrelbrain Thank you @Cuilin @TheKidUpstairs 😊 - hubby thinks I‘m crazy, but then he uses the SAME BOOKMARK for every book. 🤷‍♀️ 1mo
LeahBergen I love choosing my bookmarks 😆 1mo
TrishB Great stuff 👍🏻 1mo
Oryx Perfect match 1mo
BarbaraBB Time spent with books is always worth it 1mo
Cathythoughts Very nicely done 👌🏻 1mo
Chelsea.Poole Why is it so satisfying having matching bookmarks!? Love your selections. 1mo
youneverarrived Love it! I would do the same 😆 1mo
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Love Forms | Claire Adam
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Book 5 of the #bookerlonglist

This is only just a pick - it felt clunky and basic to me.

Not sure how much of that was the ARC and it was improved in the final copy. In my version the MC has posters on her wall of A-ha, Bon Jovi and Duran Duran, in 1980. 🤔 I checked the Kindle sample and that had been changed since, but to ‘The posters showed music bands that were popular at the time‘. A bit awkward, no?

Definitely not a Booker book!

squirrelbrain I think it was meant to sound like the MC is chatting to a friend, but that included explaining what a terraced house is and how to pronounce Niall. (Nile) 🤷‍♀️ 1mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Ohh that does sound really awkward, how bizarre they chose this! I know a lot of people were upset Nesting wasn't chosen so I feel like everything has to be better than that read 1mo
Leniverse I wasn't feeling drawn to this one in the first place. Think I might wait and see if it makes the shortlist (I assume not). 1mo
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squirrelbrain Oh, it‘s nowhere near in the same league as Nesting @ChaoticMissAdventures 🤷‍♀️ 1mo
squirrelbrain You can read it on my Kindle at Gladstone‘s if you wish! @Leniverse 1mo
BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures Nesting doesn‘t deserve to be Booker longlisted, nothing special about is. So this book must be extremely below average 😀 1mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @BarbaraBB I was surprised with how many readers I saw mad it did not make it! I thought it was fine but agree with you it isn't Prize special. 1mo
Leniverse @squirrelbrain Thanks. We'll see if I actually wish it 🤣 1mo
LeeRHarry I‘ve ordered this one as the premise sounded interesting to me , oh well we will have to see how I get on with it - not gonna lie, it not being a Booker book has me more interested! 😏 1mo
Graywacke Have you seen the controversy about this one? Bummer. Also bummer because i feel the need to read it anyway. 1mo
BarbaraBB @Graywacke 😀😀 1mo
squirrelbrain @barbarabb @ChaoticMissAdventures -I really liked Nesting but it wasn‘t Booker material and this one definitely isn‘t! 1mo
squirrelbrain @LeeRHarry - I hope you like it more than I did! 1mo
squirrelbrain @graywacke - I hadn‘t seen that until you said. Makes me think I should have given it a so-so rather than a light pick! 1mo
Chelsea.Poole Oh no. Is the controversy the SJP connection to the author? @Graywacke 1mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Graywacke oh I have not seen anything what is the trouble with this? 1mo
Graywacke @Chelsea.Poole @ChaoticMissAdventures Sarah Jessica Parker is a judge, published Adam‘s 1st and is involved in the movie. The Booker has said conflicts like this are common and they manage them. That is SJP essentially recused herself from this book. But there is still some controversy (edited) 1mo
Chelsea.Poole @Graywacke thanks for filling me in! 1mo
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Untitled | Untitled
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Another great day at the Harrogate Crime Writing Festival, including Halle Rubenhold, Paula Hawkins and Kate Mosse who, according to Paula, had been dancing the night away with Val McDermid*, amongst others.

Also on the various panels was an author who is also a police coroner (formerly a CSI investigator), a former Detective Chief Inspector, a forensic anthropologist, and one author who‘d flown all the way from the Falklands.

squirrelbrain * Val also sings in the ‘house‘ band, the Fun Lovin‘ Crime Writers, alongside Mark Billingham, Luca Veste, Chris Brookmyre, Doug Johnstone and Stuart Neville. 2mo
Deblovestoread How fun! 2mo
TrishB Sounds fabulous! 2mo
BarbaraBB Sounds fab Helen 🥰 2mo
charl08 One day I'll get there in person! 1mo
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The Girls Who Grew Big | Leila Mottley
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I really liked the authors debut novel and this one is even better, you can really see how the author has matured.

This one follows a group of teen mothers (The Girls) who live in a dead-end beach town in Florida. They have all of the usual teen angst - friendships, boys, parent issues, mixed in with bringing up their kids in the right way in a town that thinks they‘ve already failed.

I loved all The Girls and rooted for them all the way.

Chelsea.Poole I loved this and those girls too! I need to post my review. (edited) 2mo
squirrelbrain Looking forward to seeing your review! @Chelsea.Poole 2mo
Hooked_on_books It still amazed by how young Motley is. She shows so much emotional intelligence and maturity in this book. 1mo
squirrelbrain It‘s amazing isn‘t it? @Hooked_on_books - really looking forward to what she does next. 1mo
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Guide Me Home | Attica Locke
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Today‘s book haul from the Harrogate Crimewriting Festival - ‘only‘ 3 books but two more days to go! 😜

I also evangelised about Litsy and persuaded @CarysTec to join us, so please say hi 👋! Tagging a few people below for you to follow, Carys.

Carys is really into crime fiction (obvs!) and my mind has gone blank 🤦‍♀️ (really, just tagging those who have recently read King of Ashes) so please tag anyone you know who is also a #crimefictionfan.

Susanita Welcome @CarysTec ! 2mo
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TrishB Good haul 👍🏻 hi 👋 @CarysTec 2mo
SamAnne Welcome @carysTec! 2mo
julesG Hello @CarysTec 👋 2mo
Eggbeater Welcome to Litsy, @CarysTec ! 🌻 2mo
Texreader Thanks for the tag!! Welcome @CarysTec ! I‘ve followed you and look forward to your posts! 2mo
AmyG Welcome to Litsy! 2mo
LeahBergen Hello, @CarysTec ! 👋 2mo
BarbaraBB Hi @CarysTec you‘re in the best of company (with Helen I mean!). Welcome to Litsy! 2mo
CarysTec Thanks to @squirrelbrain / Helen for the intro & you all for the welcome 😊Looking forward to delving into Litsy and discovering many more new books 📚 2mo
JessClark78 Welcome to Litsy! @CarysTec 🙂📚 2mo
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Guide Me Home | Attica Locke
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Wow! Attica is just fabulous. A wide-ranging interview at the Harrogate Crime Writing Festival, of course covering her Highway 59 trilogy, but also a lot about US politics.

She lives in LA and spoke about ICE, Trump and, in general, what it feels like to be living in the US today.

Looking forward to the rest of the weekend!

LeeRHarry Enjoy! 2mo
BarbaraBB Sounds super interesting. Enjoy 💖 2mo
sarahbarnes Sounds incredible. 2mo
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The Book of Guilt | CATHERINE. CHIDGEY
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All the stars! 🤩

Vincent, William and Laurence are triplets growing up in the UK in 1979 in a (slightly) alternate history.

They are the only children left in a home, where the other kids have all gone away to the promised land of Margate. They are cared for by Mother Morning, Mother Afternoon and Mother Night. Their dreams are recorded in the Book of Dreams, their misdeeds in the Book of Guilt.

I shall say no more, other than read it!

LeahBergen Great review! 2mo
BarbaraBB I will!! 2mo
sarahbarnes Another Catherine Chidgey? I‘m in! 2mo
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Lesliereadsalot This sounds great! Already had it on order from my library so I‘m #1 when it arrives. 2mo
squirrelbrain @LeahBergen @BarbaraBB @sarahbarnes @Lesliereadsalot - I‘ve been trying to compare it to Pet and it‘s certainly as good, and possibly slightly better! 2mo
sarahbarnes OMG! Now I really want to read it. 2mo
Cathythoughts Just starting it Helen. I loved Pet. Slightly better you say ! That‘s something x 2mo
squirrelbrain Hope you like it as much as I did! @Cathythoughts 2mo
Centique What a review! Im pushing it higher up my TBR 😍 2mo
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Yesterday, I said I don‘t do Booker Prize predictions. Today, um, here‘s my Booker Prize longlist

Of the ones I‘ve read, I didn‘t really understand the Thien, but it‘s getting lots of #bookerbuzz.

I‘ve included 14 books, as Saraswati and the Desai are both set in India, I think, and I can‘t choose until I‘ve read them both.

And you can guarantee the McEwan will be on there, as it‘s published too late for me to be a list completist! 🤦‍♀️

JamieArc I‘ll look forward to looking these up. 2mo
charl08 I didn't know there was a new Sarah Hall coming, I'll look out for that one! 2mo
squirrelbrain Oh and I had the tagged book on there as well, but decided it was too similar in theme (and length!) to A Room Above A Shop. 2mo
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squirrelbrain I‘ll be interested to hear what you think of my choices! @JamieArc 2mo
squirrelbrain I think it‘s out at the end of August, @charl08 - I‘ve applied for it on NG but haven‘t got it yet. 2mo
AnneCecilie I‘m looking forward to the Thien, I love me her latest. I‘m seeing a lot of buzz for A Room above a Store. I would love to see Nesting on there 2mo
RaeLovesToRead I'm definitely going to read the Thien and the Porter after they were put on my radar the other day. Great list! 2mo
BarbaraBB Thank you! I haven‘t heard of most of them. Many authors were nominated before but that‘s typical for the Bookmet so you‘re probably right. Most interested in 2mo
squirrelbrain @annececilie @RaeLovesToRead - I liked the story in the Thien, on a superficial level, but the philosophy went a bit over my head. Rae - I got the Porter a few weeks ago on Everand Audio as I don‘t think it‘s out here yet. 2mo
quietlycuriouskate I may have taken a screenshot. 😁 Also, a new Ocean Vuong! 2mo
RaeLovesToRead I ordered mine from the US because I loved the cover so much! 2mo
Leniverse Nice list! A couple there I'll have to look up. I really hope they don't longlist anything that won't be published until after the shortlist announcement this time. 2mo
Cathythoughts Thanks Helen , great list. I must investigate ❤️ 2mo
JamieArc Well...you got two :-) I was hoping you had already read some so I could see your reviews!
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squirrelbrain Yes @JamieArc - only two, although I so nearly put Seascraper on my list. 🤷‍♀️ I‘ve read 4 altogether. 1mo
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Demon Copperhead: A Novel | Barbara Kingsolver
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A (mostly) feel-good article about how Kingsolver has used royalties from Demon Copperhead to set up a drugs recovery centre for women.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/jul/05/the-damage-is-terrifying-barbara-k...

britt_brooke Thanks for this!! 2mo
LeeRHarry Thanks for sharing Helen - good to read more about this initiative set up by my favourite author. 😊 2mo
AmyG Yes! I had read about this! 2mo
Cuilin Thanks for sharing. 2mo
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Saying Thank You | Monisha Vasa
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Thank you so much for my cute little plant pot Emma! @Oryx

Perfect timing as my tradescantia plants needed repotting anyway so I made him some hair!

Texreader How adorable!!! 🥰 2mo
TheBookHippie So cute! 2mo
intothehallofbooks I love it!!!! 2mo
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lil1inblue 😍😍😍 2mo
JamieArc Adorable! 2mo
Jess861 This is such a cute pot! 2mo
britt_brooke How freaking cute?! 2mo
Avanders Ohmygosh that‘s so cute 2mo
Oryx He looks perfect with purple hair 😁 2mo
Aims42 That is SO CUTE!!! 2mo
RaeLovesToRead Adorable! 😊 2mo
julesG How cute!!! 2mo
julesG @Oryx my brain saw a different "pu- hair" word?? 2mo
quietlycuriouskate Cute! 😍 2mo
AmyG Adorable! I love it! 2mo
sarahbarnes 🪴😍 2mo
youneverarrived I love it 😍 2mo
Cathythoughts Gorgeous 😍 2mo
Oryx @julesG your brain 😝 2mo
julesG @Oryx always in the gutter 2mo
Gissy 🪴 😍 2mo
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Wild Dark Shore | Charlotte McConaghy
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We have a winner!

Our first winner for #camplitsy25, somewhat predictably 😝, is Wild Dark Shore!

Audition did get 7 votes though, against 34 for WDS, and many Littens commented on how valuable the discussions around Audition were - I know they helped me to understand it a lot more, so thank you!

WDS will go forward to our final vote at the end of camp in August - I wonder which two books it will go up against?!

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Gissy Beautiful book. I still need to read Audition🙄I will because I owned it 🤷🏽‍♀️Let‘s how it is for me ☺️ 2mo
TrishB Looking forward to seeing how the others fare. 2mo
AmyG No surprise. Audition made it easy for WDS to win. 2mo
jenniferw88 🤣😥 I'm keeping Audition, but donating WDS! 2mo
Ruthiella Not surprised, but I am genuinely pleased with how many loved WDS. 2mo
vonnie862 What a great start for camp! 2mo
ImperfectCJ I'm going to be playing catch-up for June, but I'm on track for July (so far)! 2mo
Megabooks Congratulations to WDS! It was a great month of discussions on both books. We have great campers! Thank you, Helen, for the excellent leadership! 2mo
Megabooks Congratulations to WDS! It was a great month of discussions on both books. We have great campers! Thank you, Helen, for the excellent leadership! 2mo
BarbaraBB I missed this post somehow but am not surprised by the outcome. Audition was the better discussion but Wild Dark Shore is one of the best books I read this year, so I am happy! Thank you so much Helen for being the perfect camp counselor 💖 2mo
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The Most | Jessica Anthony
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Loved this novella about a woman who gets in her apartment pool one morning and doesn‘t get out for the rest of the day.

I don‘t even like swimming but, in the middle of a heatwave, I wished I could do the same! 💙🩵💙

quietlycuriouskate Life goals! 🏊😀 2mo
Cathythoughts I loved it too Helen ! Such a good book 👍🏻❤️ 2mo
uncommonlycozies 😍the cover! it has a Gustav Klimt vibes & i'm reading Anima Rising right now, so i loved to see this cover! STACKED for sure 2mo
sarahbarnes Yes! This was great! 2mo
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Ordinary Love | Marie Rutkoski
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Emily meets her teenage love Gen, just as her marriage to wealthy Jack falls apart.

The blurb says ‘…almost unbearably beautiful…‘ I found this book almost unbearable in 2 different ways and didn‘t want to pick it up, but that‘s the quality of the writing in both cases. Jack‘s controlling and gaslighting behaviour was very difficult to read. The sex scenes…well! 😳 Very blush-inducing (but not cringe-worthy at all). 🫠

A definite pick!

ChaoticMissAdventures I have not heard of this! I love the cover. 2mo
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures - it‘s just been published in the UK (I had an ARC). Not sure if it‘s out in the US? 2mo
BarbaraBB It sounds good. Great review! 2mo
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Let's Go Camping! | Jan Mader
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Thanks for a wonderful first month at #camplitsy25! 🏕️

We‘ve had some great discussions this month and now it‘s time to vote for your favourite book - will it be Audition or Wild Dark Shore?

Let us know your choice in the comments ⬇️ and your reasons why too, if you want to do so.

Looking forward to next weekend, when Meg will host the discussion on the first part of Death of the Author.

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squirrelbrain This has been a fascinating month of discussions. Everyone‘s insightful input on Audition helped me to understand and like it more. Equally, I came to understand some of the issues and challenges around WDS. However, WDS is still a long way ahead of Audition for me. 2mo
rockpools Oh my goodness! I‘d forgotten all about voting 😂😂 (Will finish WDS today & join the discussion - my reading glasses are in the shop, so I‘m being slow! ) 2mo
Lesliereadsalot I loved Wild Dark Shore, my favorite book of the year so far. I found the story compelling, the characters believable and the ending right on the money. By far the best of the two and probably all six! 2mo
jenniferw88 Audition, hands down. I'm still thinking about it several weeks after finishing, and I don't think that will happen with Wild Dark Shore. 2mo
Kitta Definitely WDS. Audition was interesting with all the layers to it but ultimately I didn‘t like it and was frustrated reading it. I was glad it was short. WDS was much more my style of novel, atmospheric and emotional. My vote is for 2mo
Chelsea.Poole Great discussions this month, thanks for hosting!! Wild Dark Shore for me 2mo
Bookwormjillk This is harder than you‘d think. Wild Dark Shore was the better story and I actually understand it. However I‘m still thinking about Audition weeks later. It was a tie for me. I need to vote for the weird in this case 2mo
Zuhkeeyah This is a hard one. Both books were good. I liked reading WDS more, but I the discussion for Audition was more compelling. Final vote will be for WDS because I love a dark atmospheric read. 2mo
Jess Wild Dark Shore gets all my votes. Loved the sense of place. 2mo
Susanita Two novels with a limited cast of characters and a lot of internal rumination, but otherwise quite different. My vote is for 2mo
Megabooks Even though I rated WDS higher, I liked the discussion on Audition better, so that‘s my vote! 2mo
JenReadsAlot I liked discussion of Audition, but voting for 2mo
CBee WDS for me (I didn‘t finish Audition 🫣😂)! 2mo
LeeRHarry Mmmm I didn‘t read Audition so maybe my vote shouldn‘t count but voting for 2mo
Suet624 By a mile. 2mo
BkClubCare I could vote for either but different reasons. I thought our Audition discussions were very engaging and not that WDS didn‘t, but I couldn‘t think of much to add. I liked reading WDS but now can‘t articulate why 🤔 I suppose I best cast my vote 🗳️ for 2mo
Jas16 Really great discussions but for me the choice was obvious. 2mo
peaKnit Wild Dark Shore for me too! 2mo
Texreader Wild Dark Shore hands down. 2mo
TrishB Wild Dark Shore for me. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I know it is an unpopular opinion but I absolutely hated WDS. I think the more interesting and better book all around was 2mo
Oryx WDS 2mo
AmyG Wild Dark Shore 2mo
Reggie Audition 2mo
Ruthiella It‘s only going to be me and @ChaoticMissAdventures who vote for this one 😆 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Ruthiella 😂 😂 😂 We have a couple of others we can make a Contrarian Camp group with! @jenniferw88 and @Bookwormjillk @Reggie 2mo
Karisa 💗💗💗 2mo
Christine I agree with @Bookwormjillk and @Zuhkeeyah - hard to choose! But I‘ll go with 2mo
TEArificbooks Wild Dark Shore 2mo
sarahbarnes I‘m with the small group of people here voting for Audition. I loved it and was a little disappointed by WDS. 2mo
Bookwormjillk @Christine haha are we the weird tent? 2mo
Hooked_on_books I didn‘t even want to read Audition (and so didn‘t) and loved WDS. So it‘s Wild Dark Shore for me! 2mo
vonnie862 Bookish, Wild Dark Shore. It was a more engaging book. Book group discussion, Audition. I didn't care for the book but i enjoyed everyone's response to the questions. 2mo
DGRachel Hands down, Wild Dark Shore. 2mo
TheKidUpstairs This is a much harder decision than I initially thought it would be, and I keep going back and forth. I loved both books in the reading, but Wild Dark Shore was just that much more engrossing for me. But the discussions definitely brought extra depth and interest to Audition, where I felt that discussing WDS brought out some of the flaws. But ultimately I think I have to go heart over head for this one: 2mo
Christine @Bookwormjillk LOL, I hope so as I would totally embrace Weird Tent identity! 😆 2mo
BarbaraBB I loved the Audition discussion but Wild Dark Shore is among my favorites of the year so far! 2mo
CogsOfEncouragement I enjoyed both. I‘m going to go with WDS because I appreciate multiple POVs. 2mo
Roary47 I didn‘t get to read Wild Dark Shore. But… my vote is for it. 😅 2mo
Read4life Wild Dark Shores because I loved the characters and the multiple POVs. 2mo
GatheringBooks I vote for - thanks so much for hosting! Great questions, as always!!! 2mo
Butterfinger Definitely, Wild Dark Shore. Just finished and I have to go on a shopping spree for junk food. The evocative imagery, the love that all five had for each other. It was a book definitely out of my comfort zone, and I am so glad I read it. 2mo
KarenUK Wild dark shore, for sure! 2mo
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Welcome to our second week of discussions on Wild Dark Shore, and our final weekend of camp in June!

There‘s lots to discuss in this book, that‘s for sure!

Don‘t forget that we‘re only tagging Littens on the first question so check further down for the next two questions. Looking forward to hearing everyone‘s thoughts.

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Bookwormjillk Multiple voices is hard to do, but I thought it worked well here. It added to the sense that each character only had a piece of the story. 2mo
TheKidUpstairs I found it quite effective here. Especially because the characters weren't telling each other the whole truth, the multiple POVs gave us a deeper story. And I loved Orly's sections, they offered an opportunity for in depth nature info, while still feeling like part of the overall narrative. 2mo
Susanita Agree that it can be hard to pull off multiple voices but this author did it well. For the most part, while it was frustrating that they kept secrets from each other, I didn‘t get the sense it was just done to serve the suspense of the plot. Orly was especially interesting, because he didn‘t seem to me as naive as the rest of the family described him. 2mo
Zuhkeeyah I liked the multiple voices here because each character carried a different part of the island. Fen spoke for the seals and the water. Orly spoke for the plants. Raff was the voice of the whales. 2mo
Soubhiville I loved the multiple voices. Orly was my favorite too. 2mo
JamieArc @Zuhkeeyah I didn‘t think about that but really like that idea. 2mo
JamieArc I‘m trying to think about if there were a POV missing, would I be missing out? And I feel like yes. Parts of the story would have been missed. There are so few characters so it feels like each one should be represented to give a full picture of both the loneliness and joy of the island. 2mo
jenniferw88 I liked the multiple POVs too! I loved Orly too. 2mo
Kitta @Zuhkeeyah oooh I like that description of how they were each a part of the island. 2mo
peaKnit I enjoyed multiple POV also because you never knew who was not telling the whole truth. Or was everyone telling “their” truth?! 2mo
CBee I loved the multiple and different POVs. But, that‘s a favorite format of mine anyway. My favorite was Orly - he added an innocence that was needed but also a wisdom that you wouldn‘t expect. An old soul ♥️ 2mo
fredthemoose I enjoyed all of the characters but identified most with Rowan because as a reader I was learning the island‘s and family‘s history and secrets with her. I also recognized her ambivalence about marriage and family. 2mo
Megabooks I love multiple POVs as a rule, but in this book, as in most I guess, I preferred the adult POVs. (edited) 2mo
BarbaraBB @Zuhkeeyah That‘s a great take on the story indeed. 2mo
BarbaraBB @JamieArc I agree that I‘d be missing out if one of the PoV‘s were missing. 2mo
BarbaraBB I really liked Orly and how he added much to the story with his innocence - as @CBee already pointed out. But like @Megabooks I prefer adult pov‘s in general and I loved Dom‘s complicated attitude towards his kids, grief and the world in general and how Rowan‘s arrival made him see things differently somehow. 2mo
Karisa @Susanita So many secrets! I wanted to yell at them I was so frustrated. 😅That tension propels the story but also ends up being deadly. As a reader seeing all POV, we are watching a slow motion train wreck. Beautiful storytelling! 2mo
CBee @BarbaraBB I usually prefer adult POVs as well. Orly seemed much wiser than his 9 years and I think provided a break from the immense grief and sadness the others were struggling with. 2mo
AmyG I, too, liked the different narrators as each revealed different parts of the story. Yes to Orly….I had fun googling plants. 2mo
BarbaraBB @CBee That is true, I loved all scenes he was in and his view on the island and its inhabitants. 2mo
squirrelbrain @Zuhkeeyah - I love that idea! ❤️ 2mo
mcctrish I love @Zuhkeeyah ‘s take on the three children speaking for themselves and for part of the island. I liked their voices POV the most - Dom was so complicated with grief and what felt like menace sometimes - the kids felt more in the present moment. Dom was the one that held the mystery 2mo
squirrelbrain I agree @Megabooks @barbarabb and I‘m afraid I didn‘t love Orly as much as others did. 😬 @TheKidUpstairs @Susanita @Soubhiville @jenniferw88 @CBee @AmyG - I found him a bit too precocious. 2mo
squirrelbrain @fredthemoose - I identified with Roman the most too, for the same reason as you - through her we learnt about the island. I agree with you as well, @mcctrish , re Dom - I found him slightly threatening, probably because Fen seemed scared of him. 2mo
CBee @squirrelbrain I can absolutely see that. He was quite precocious! 2mo
Texreader The audiobook made the different narratives so pronounced and so well done. I loved it. 2mo
kspenmoll I did enjoy all their voices- I felt I learned from Orly about the land‘s nature. Each person had something different to contribute to the telling of this story. 2mo
Ruthiella I don‘t like multiple narrative in general, which is probably why the book didn‘t work for me as well. Ronan was the easiest or most accessible because like the reader, she is coming to the situation ignorant of the island‘s history. 2mo
Lesliereadsalot I loved this book and part of the attraction for me was all the different voices showing me their take on their lives. They were all so individual, so alone with their thoughts. I felt like they were all trying their best in an impossible situation. I did love Orly, so smart. And Rowan, trying to make sense of this island. 2mo
Deblovestoread I generally love multiple POV and this was no exception. And Orly was the light in an otherwise fairly dark book. Everyone‘s comments are so spot on. 2mo
TheKidUpstairs @squirrelbrain I can see that, he definitely was a bit precocious. But I think being brought up in that way, it felt like an earned precociousness, if that makes sense. He's only had his family (and their traumas), scientists, and nature for company. 2mo
TheKidUpstairs @Zuhkeeyah I love that way of describing the characters, you're so right! 2mo
TEArificbooks Usually five POV is too many for me but she made it work well here. I definitely liked Orly, he reminded me of my son. 2mo
Maggie4483 It's hard to do multiple POV well, and in an unskilled writer's hands, every character has the same voice. But I think she did a great job. I feel like you could open up the book to a random page, read a few sentences, and know exactly who was speaking. I also thought it was interesting that Dom, Rowan, and Orly were in first person, but Raff and Fen were in third. 2mo
Ruthiella I think I have hit upon why I disliked this book so much. I love character-driven narratives. But this was trauma driven. Everyone is acting and reacting based on their wounds. Their trauma is their only character trait. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @JamieArc weirdly I am trying to think back to if we got much if any of Fen. I don't remember her POV at all. and unfortunately unline @TheKidUpstairs I am not super interested in botany and after a couple of pages of Orly I started skipping his talks all together. Overall I thought it was too much and I could have used less. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Ruthiella I agree. I think that it was too much. It didn't work for me either. I could have used maybe 2 POVs, Knowing they are all lying. The rest could have been communicated through dialogue between the characters. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Maggie4483 this threw me off so much. I didn't enjoy the change in 1st to 3rd person. I reread a lot of pieces because I couldn't understand why she would do it this way. I am glad it worked for you though! 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Ruthiella agree. Mcconaghy seems to relish their pain. It could even be classified as “Trauma Porn“ 2mo
TheKidUpstairs @ChaoticMissAdventures I totally get that. I LOVE that stuff, and love reading NF about plant life, so it was completely up my alley, but I can see that it could be too much for someone who doesn't have my same level of interest! 2mo
BkClubCare I have 30 pages yet to read and no time so will check in tonight! 💖 2mo
Jas16 I liked the multiple narratives and gaining insight through different perspectives. I think they each had a distinct voice and added a lot to the understanding of their situation on the island. 2mo
Christine I loved the multiple POVs, with one exception being that the audio narration for Dom felt very aggressive to me - definitely conveyed that “menace” that @mcctrish mentioned. I‘m curious whether I would‘ve thought the same if I‘d read in print! 2mo
Hooked_on_books I felt the multiple POVs added richness to the story, as it was done so well. Like most of the others here, I really liked this approach. I think if it had been written in one POV or close 3rd that it wouldn‘t have been as good of a book. 2mo
Gissy Love multiple POV because you can know better each character their motives, personality perspective of the situation. I enjoyed the audiobook. I loved this story even when it was so sad. 😢So slow, beautifully written👌 2mo
BookwormAHN I loved the different voices and I agree it can be hard to pull off but it was done really well here. 2mo
Chelsea.Poole @zuhkeeyah great observation of the various voices speaking for different aspects of the island. Like many others I can see how the multiple POVs were effective but each was so unrelenting in their trauma. Orly felt like a repreieve to me when his sections came up. Even if he was a bit precocious as @squirrelbrain points out. 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I can see that now @TheKidUpstairs - precocious in a good way, with his knowledge, not in a brattish way. 😬 2mo
squirrelbrain @Maggie4483 - that confused me at first - I had to go back to check if I was misremembering other POVs. I think it probably made their stories more distant, less immediate and therefore slightly more difficult to care about them. 2mo
squirrelbrain @Ruthiella - at least we helped you figure that out! 🤨 2mo
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures - yes, Fen had arguably one of the bigger storylines and yet she disappeared, for me. 2mo
squirrelbrain Interesting that the audio made Dom rather aggressive @christine. Makes me want to try the audio just to see, but of course having read in one format we already have pre-conceived ideas if we try another. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @squirrelbrain I hate to be negative nancy on this but I really disliked this book, and I think it is because it really feels like Mcconaghy hates women. We have three main women - 1 dies in childbirth, one is raped & attempted murdered by the others husband, and the third is beat up over and over again and finally dies trying to say the firsts child. And all the men though sad get off to go live their lives. 2mo
willaful I did like Orly, but not his narrative so much (also not as interested as he is in biology.) I think Rowan and Dom's narratives were the most relatable for me. 2mo
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures - you don‘t think that‘s the author trying to portray the reality of life for women? 2mo
squirrelbrain @willaful - yes, those parts drew me out of the story somewhat. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @squirrelbrain I think it crossed reality and went to women suffer porn. There has to be a lesson for the men or the reader here and I just don't see it? I guess for our adults the lesson is that we are the ones dying for the children (whether we decide to have them or not). But I just don't think it was done well here. Or maybe it is just me b/c others seem fine with it...😀 2mo
JamieArc @ChaoticMissAdventures while I did like the book, the amount of trauma did almost put me off. I‘m not quite sure why Raff‘s storyline (of Alex, if I‘m remembering the name right) was necessary. So many deaths. I do think that everyone suffered to some degree though, so I didn‘t see it as happening to only women. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @JamieArc I agree that everyone is suffering, no one gets away untraumatized. I just think it is unnecessary that of the 6 MCs (the family and Rowan) the women get directly harmed. Their harm is to their bodies vs men who are "injured" by others dying and it makes them sad. 2mo
BkClubCare @fredthemoose - I was most invested in Rowan‘s POV, also. 2mo
GatheringBooks @ChaoticMissAdventures ooh i never considered seeing it in this way - but now that you have pointed it out, i can see it. I have to confess that I enjoyed the narrative - and like the rest, I enjoyed the multiple POVs, and especially enjoyed orly‘s as well - i love precocity in young people, and while I am not all that versed in the sciency stuff, I felt that it was introduced in an accessible and engaging way that I found interesting 2mo
GatheringBooks @Chelsea.Poole @Zuhkeeyah loved reading your takes on the multiple POVs. What was most interesting for me is how each had a distinct voice which requires skill on the part of the writer. It reminded me somewhat of Sabaa Tahir‘s Heir but Heir introduced another component - that of different timelines along with multiple voices. I was wondering if that would have worked in this case as well - considering the suspense and the buildup of the story 2mo
Well-ReadNeck I‘m not always a fan of multi POVs, but I think it works/is necessary for this one. It also helped make this a bit more of a page-turner for me, wanting to get back to one POV or another. 2mo
squirrelbrain I agree @GatheringBooks - I can see the ‘suffer‘ porn now that Shawna @ChaoticMissAdventures has highlighted it. That‘s why these discussions are so valuable, to help us see another perspective. 2mo
Suet624 Coming in late here ..... I really enjoyed the multiple POV's. Kept me focused instead of drifting through the narrative. In thinking of which character I identified with I'd have to say it was Dom. Rowan a close second. They carried the weight of the novel for me. I loved reading the kids sections, but I identified more with the adults due to their ultimate responsibility of keeping everyone alive. 2mo
rockpools I loved your point about the children‘s voices and the island @Zuhkeeyah . The multiple voices did work for me, although I was aware that we didn‘t seem to hear as much from Fen as I‘d have liked. I hadn‘t made the connection with her sections being in 3rd person - thanks @Maggie4483 . 2mo
vonnie862 I listened to the audio and having two different narrators really helped with the characters. They brought the story to life. 2mo
DGRachel I was annoyed at first, that I was going to have to keep track of everyone, but I ended up really loving the set up. I loved Orly‘s chapters and would have liked more chapters from Fen and Raff‘s viewpoints, although considering what happened to Fen, maybe fewer from her was better. 2mo
DGRachel I read so little literary fiction (and usually only for Camp Litsy 🤣) because most of it feels trauma-centric, so I kind of expected this to be full of suffering and misery. I will say I did not expect what happened to Fen at all, and that‘s something very triggering for me, and I could have very happily not read that chapter. (edited) 2mo
squirrelbrain It was really quite easy to keep track of everyone wasn‘t it? @DGRachel 2mo
squirrelbrain I‘m really intrigued re the audio @vonnie862 - I bet it added another dimension to the story. 2mo
Butterfinger I also listened to the audio @vonnie862 Dom's voice was so similar to Hugh Jackman, I already loved the character. But through the book, his deep love for his wife, for his children, for Rowan floored me. As a parent, I will do anything to protect them mentally and physically. I make mistakes, and I own up to those mistakes like I think Dom did, especially with the eldest son. 2mo
Butterfinger Ooh @Zuhkeeyah I loved your rationale for the voices. 2mo
JenP I am coming to this late but just finished it. I do like multiple voices/pov in novels and I liked them all in this book. Orly‘s voice wasn‘t the voice of a 9 year old for me but I still enjoyed reading his chapters and enjoyed the descriptions of all the seeds. His perspective was valuable so I was able to suspend my dislike for when authors make children who are written to sound like adults. 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I agree @JenP - I don‘t usually like children as adults. I didn‘t particularly like Orly‘s chapters in this though, not because of that, but because they took me out of the story. 2mo
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A few of us mentioned grief in last week‘s discussions. Everyone on the island was grieving for someone or something - how did you find these different portrayals?

What about the ‘ghosts‘ and ghostly voices? Were they part of the grieving process or something else?

Bookwormjillk I thought it was very realistic- no two people are going to grieve in the same way even when they are faced with the exact same circumstances. 2mo
Zuhkeeyah The author did a great job weaving grief into the suspense. Each character carried or spoke to their own ghosts. There‘s no correct way to grieve and the author showed how different people cope with such a strong emotion. Orly broke my heart the most for being so young and yet so aware of the violence that was visited upon the animals of the island. 2mo
JenReadsAlot I thought it was well done and realistic. 2mo
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Kitta Agreed with @Bookwormjillk and @Zuhkeeyah there‘s no one way to grieve. I thought Orly added an interesting perspective in how he grieved the loss of his mother - by having others tell stories since he didn‘t know her. He was curious but had a sense of loss without knowing different. 2mo
Kitta I thought the ghosts were the winds of the island but also sort of the loss of the animals and devastation that had happened there. A silent scream from the island or the earth. I think Orly had a bit of an overactive imagination but when it turned out he was talking to Hank in the vault speaking by the wall I wasn‘t surprised he was hearing voices in the winds. 2mo
peaKnit It felt heavy, just like grief often does and it never goes away, no amount of time or life change, you‘re never the same. Like the characters here. 2mo
Megabooks At times the grief was almost oppressive, and I think that was purposefully done. I think grief can be like getting stuck in quicksand, when you‘re stuck, the struggle to get out can pull you even deeper. I think all of them were trying to deal with their grief alone, and it left them stuck. 2mo
CBee There are some who are more connected to spirits than others - I think in this case it truly was grief, because I don‘t know if it would be realistic that they all heard and felt the voices. Agreed that it was very realistic and powerful. Grief affects everyone differently and there was SO much sadness and loss in this book. 2mo
BarbaraBB On the island, everyone is mourning something: a lost person, a broken belief, a shattered identity, or a stolen future. What makes the portrayals compelling is how individual they are — shaped by personality, history, and role in the community. Each portrayal adds realism to the island‘s atmosphere. The setting itself feels like it‘s soaked in loss — not just from individual tragedies, but from the disintegration of what the world used to be. (edited) 2mo
Karisa @BarbaraBB Yes! Nicely said. All connected by their grief while going through it individually. 2mo
AmyG Well, I LOVE a damaged character and they were all damaged in way. Grief and loss was everywhere in this story….from the characters to the earth and the loss due to climate change. There was loss of people, of homes, of beliefs. Beautifully weaved into the story. A huge part of life is loss and how we grieve thatloss and how we recover (or not) from that loss. Ha, like minds @BarbaraBB ….I was typing as you posted. (edited) 2mo
squirrelbrain Beautifully put @BarbaraBB @AmyG ❤️ 2mo
mcctrish So many kinds of grief like @BarbaraBB listed were covered, past and present and future, weighing them down, bringing up old griefs, foretelling the future ones. The characters isolating themselves with their grief from each other in the most isolated place 🤯 what a story 2mo
squirrelbrain @Kitta - I wondered about Orly‘s grief - I guess you can grieve for someone you never knew and he certainly had a sense of loss, but more for the animals and plants, I think. 2mo
AmyG @squirrelbrain Orly never knew his Mom so I think his grief was different. Ilost my Dad when I was 3, I didn‘t remember him. I grieved for something I never had. 2mo
kspenmoll I agree with ever 2mo
kspenmoll I agree with everyone- grief was interwoven throughout the novel. It exemplified how we all grieve differently & in our own individual ways. This was cataclysmic loss: land, people, animals, flora, seeds, the possibility of the family‘s deaths & struggles with imminent death. I love @BarbaraBB list: broken belief, shattered identity, stolen future. That nails it. Rowan certainly had her future stolen. 2mo
Ruthiella I found the grief portrayed in the book overwhelming, which was an intentional choice by the author, I think. But it was too much for me in novel length. 2mo
Lesliereadsalot There were so many losses on so many levels. So much bottled up grief and anger and sadness. It could be a little overwhelming, but I felt that the stories were beautifully told. Amen to @BarbaraBB and @AmyG Also the theme of isolation was so profound as @mcctrish pointed out. (edited) 2mo
Deblovestoread Loved @BarbaraBB description. Each of us grieve differently because of who we are and also because our relationship to the lost person or circumstance is different as well. 2mo
TheKidUpstairs @squirrelbrain I think Orly's grief for the natural world and his grief for his mother were tied up together. A larger grief for all the things he would never know/meet/see, how much loss has come before him. 2mo
TheKidUpstairs @BarbaraBB so beautifully put, I agree totally. It was like the island - because of its history, isolation, and its role as seed storage - held the world's grief. And the people there couldn't help but be affected by it, along with their own traumas and griefs. 2mo
Jas16 I totally agree with everyone that everyone grieves differently and that grief is woven deeply into this story. It made me think about how my siblings and I have handled our father‘s passing so differently from each other based not only on our own personalities but also our individual relationships with him during his last few years. 2mo
Hooked_on_books I thought using grief as a motif worked well both for the story and because of its universality. Since it is so unique to each person, seeing it come through so differently for each character gives the reader a way in when they recognize themselves in one of the forms of grief. 2mo
BookwormAHN The grief was overwhelming in certain parts but very real and the destruction of the island was the saddest. 2mo
Gissy Wow! It was hard to read these parts because each one of them were still in the grief process. I think this isolation situation with limited support, make the process of healing a little difficult, creating a complicated grief healing. So well described. I think Rowan narrator in the audiobook was a beautiful voice and in my case I liked Dom, Orly and Raff narrators which made me more conscious of their feelings. 2mo
Chelsea.Poole The grief in this book was so well done. And as @Megabooks says “oppressive” —to the point I didn‘t really look forward to my time reading it. It was a difficult read for me personally. It just took me to a dark place. Which is undoubtedly a skill that the author was able to bring about such feelings but still made this my least favorite of hers just because the reading experience was painful. 2mo
squirrelbrain @mcctrish @Lesliereadsalot - I guess isolation can be a form of grief, or a way of reacting to grief - they‘re so intertwined with each other. 2mo
mcctrish @squirrelbrain I think it lets grief fester 2mo
willaful @mcctrish It was definitely festering here, though it's meaningful that Dom realizes that in the end. 2mo
squirrelbrain @Hooked_on_books - well put, I like that idea of grief being universal but unique. 2mo
squirrelbrain @Chelsea.Poole - I get how this was a difficult book to read - there wasn‘t any lightness or much hope in there, I felt. 2mo
squirrelbrain I‘m beginning to wish I‘d listened to it on audio @Gissy - it sounds wonderful. 2mo
mcctrish @willaful yes, thankfully he does 2mo
GatheringBooks @Kitta i love the “silent scream from the island or the earth” and @BarbaraBB ‘s collective and personal tragedies intermingling that it “soaks” the earth bringing up ghosts in the wind that Orly speaks to. It is interesting that I felt the grief profoundly - but never in an oppressive way similar to how others experienced it. I felt there was always beauty slicing through despite dangers & devastation - that it still is all worth it in the end. 2mo
Suet624 @BarbaraBB Such an accurate analysis. 2mo
Suet624 The grief I felt most acutely, both from the book and personally, was the ravages caused by climate change. The loss of seeds, the loss of the island, they were/are what we/I are experiencing right now. And not to be too melodramatic, but if you listen closely I think you can hear the silent scream of many of us who fear the future we know is coming through climate change. 2mo
rockpools @GatheringBooks I think my reading of it was closer to yours. Although grief permeated everything, I felt there was an element of hope - in the seals as they left, in the seeds Orly saved and in the resolution Fen experienced… 2mo
BarbaraBB @AmyG Great minds 😉😘 2mo
squirrelbrain I‘m glad you could both see the hope @rockpools @GatheringBooks ❤️ 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes @Suet624 - this author is really valuable in the way she portrays the climate emergency. 💔 2mo
DGRachel @BarbaraBB I love the way you perfectly summed it up. 2mo
Butterfinger At the beginning, I thought it was going to be very depressing-everyone will die at the end because of how humans won't take care of Earth. It became so much more. Sacrifice for children (future) is the purest love. I know the question is about grief, but I think it is more survivor's guilt. Alex and Rowan lose their brothers, which causes extreme pain. The family loses a wife/parent which causes Dom to question his choice making. 2mo
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** WARNING FOR SPOILERS**

There are no spoilers in the question above but please do not read the comments if you don‘t wish to see spoilers for the ending of this book. Everyone else, please go ahead and discuss, with as many spoilers as you wish included!

Thanks for being such great campers in June - come back tomorrow for our first vote of #camplitsy25.

Bookwormjillk Normally I would have found an ending like that emotionally manipulative, but given climate change is a focus of this book a happily ever after ending wouldn‘t have fit. Question though. Do you think she went to the island knowing her husband was a narcissist, or did she just realize it when she realized all that he had done? 2mo
Zuhkeeyah I agree with @Bookwormjillk on it being a good finale. It was certainly dramatic, but this grief brought them all back together which is fitting since her husband‘s actions are what caused the divide. (edited) 2mo
Zuhkeeyah @Bookwormjillk I think she made this discovery only once she hit the island. Rowan was too caught up in the grief of losing the house to fully mourn the loss of her marriage. She gained perspective on the island as she watched Dom miss his wife even after so many years. 2mo
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Susanita @Bookwormjillk I agree about the emotional manipulation potential, but in this case it made sense that at least one of the five wasn‘t going to leave the island. I guess that‘s a spoiler! As for knowing he was a narcissist, I think not. She was dealing with a lot of past trauma herself, and one thing about narcissists is that they are good at gaslighting. 2mo
jenniferw88 I think she knew deep down, but because they'd been apart for a while and with the loss of her house, she'd forgotten and was wearing rose-tinted glasses when she started looking for him on the island. And then when she learnt the whole truth she realised that she'd been right back on the mainland about Hank all along. 2mo
JamieArc I didn‘t expect the ending to be so dramatic and normally may have rolled my eyes about it. I still do think it all may have been a bit much. I too didn‘t expect a happy ending, but would have liked one. I like the idea of some of the loss being healed by Dom and Rowan being together. And I like the idea of Rowan being a sort of anchor for the children as they have to figure out how to live in a different world after the island. 2mo
Reggie I felt a little let down by the ending so much that it removed me from being in my feelings that the rest of the book had me. The book was soo sad and doom and gloom. By fire, by water, or starvation whatever she kept saying. I needed a pick me up. Which I thought was gonna be Rowan surviving. And then the ghost mom shows up and like in Poltergest 2 when the Angel grandma shows up in the ethereal purgatory to return Carol Ann to the family I 2mo
Reggie thought for sure ghost mom was gonna return Rowan to the family who needed her. But. O. I guess she was there to welcome her to the afterlife. Comfort her in death? Say, not my family? lol idk I was kinda what was that all about? 2mo
Reggie Also there was this meme post on Litsy where it said- he shows all kinds of red flags but I still go for it because my favorite color is red. lol I literally thought of Rowan. ‘You‘re just a baby vessel to me.‘ ‘Our house burned down and you‘re too sad, bye.‘ ‘Help me- she‘s on the first boat out. I just didn‘t understand that. And why couldn‘t they just tell her hey by the way we have this guy imprisoned until the boat gets here for (edited) 2mo
Reggie statutory rape and attempted murder. After they felt out her character. 2mo
Kitta @Bookwormjillk I think she knew beforehand Hank was a narcissist - she had talked about how their marriage was suffering and how when she got married she didn‘t want to be seen exactly, how she realized that he didn‘t know her and that she wouldn‘t change her mind about kids. I think she went because she still felt something for him and she was worried but I think she knew. 2mo
Megabooks @Reggie I was kind of wondering that myself. Why they didn‘t just tell her, your husband is a bad dude? I guess maybe that since she‘d come all that way she‘d do anything to free him and that felt dangerous. Idk. The ending was a bit weird for me! 2mo
CBee I think she knew but was too immersed in all of her other feelings (so much loss) to admit it. The ending - sigh. It was fitting despite of course not wanting it to go that way. It came full circle though - Claire dies giving birth to Orly, saving his life. Then Rowan dies to save his life as well, years later. I knew it was coming but I was still “NO NO NO” in my head 💔😢 (edited) 2mo
Reggie Also this has nothing to do with this question but my favorite passage in this whole book was about Dom saying being a mother was Claire‘s role but when she died it was just him and this baby but then there were these 2 9yos who also had just lost someone and there they went raising and helping this baby and how he realized it wasn‘t him versus this baby but that they were all a family in it together. 😭😭😭 2mo
BarbaraBB I agree with @Reggie in wondering why they didn‘t just tell her. 2mo
BarbaraBB To me the ending certainly makes sense this way. The book is steeped in themes of environmental collapse, loss, and the fragility of human connection. A tidy or “happy” ending would undercut the realism and the urgency that pervades the narrative. 2mo
BarbaraBB @Bookwormjillk I think Rowan probably went with hope and loyalty, and only fully grasped his narcissism—and its consequences—once she was there, facing the reality head-on. 2mo
sarahbarnes Honestly I think I‘m with @JamieArc on this one - it was a little too much for me. It felt so unnecessary. Was it to justify Dom‘s decision to have kept Hank locked up - to show indeed how terrible he was? I was disappointed in the ending and I‘m not a happy ending kind of reader. 2mo
Karisa @Bookwormjillk I was wondering if Rowan had realized her husband was so flawed before too. The images she shows of him shaping the landscape in their earlier life seemed so magical but also narcissistic to manipulate the place‘s habitat to that extent. @jenniferw88 “Rose colored glasses” for sure! I think that was why the Salt family knew they couldn‘t trust Rowan with their secrets yet. She was still deceiving herself. 2mo
AmyG I, oo, thought that on a subconscious level Rowan knew he was a narcissist but hearing about him and the incident made her face his narcissism head on. I was “all in” with this book so I loved the end. I got the feeling Rowan came into the life of this family to serve a purpose. She did and sadly died. But the reader “knows” now that the family will carry on, somewhat healed. @CBee Yes….it came full circle. 2mo
AmyG @Reggie Ha, loved your thoughts! As in any story….works for some, not for others. (edited) 2mo
Karisa I thought the ending was right on the target even while being dramatic. The themes in the book are so big that an operatic conclusion felt necessary to me. Rowan and Hank had caused so much grief (intentionally or not) that it felt correct and balancing somehow. As @BarbaraBB pointed out happy just wouldn‘t have suited this book. 2mo
squirrelbrain @Bookwormjillk @Zuhkeeyah @Kitta @cbee @karisa @amyg - I think she knew something was seriously wrong in their relationship but couldn‘t figure out quite what, otherwise why would she have chased after him to the island? 2mo
CBee @AmyG I was all in as well. As with all of her other books. 2mo
squirrelbrain @jamiearc @sarahbarnes - I agree, the ending was very over-dramatic. I also agree with @barbarabb that it needed to not have a ‘happy‘ ending, and it couldn‘t have been one of the family who died, but it was the manner of it that seemed a bit excessive. 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I agree @Reggie - why couldn‘t they just tell Rowan what her husband had done? They wouldn‘t have been arrested themselves for locking him up. 🤷‍♀️ 2mo
CBee @squirrelbrain makes you wonder more about Hank and his backstory. 2mo
mcctrish @Reggie I laughed out loud reading some of your posts ❤️ I feel like the window for telling Rowan about her husband was minuscule- this women chartered a boat to find her husband on a island in the middle of nowhere about to be decommissioned. Said husband is a bad man. First she has to heal. Then they have to get to know her. Then the deadline is fast approaching to clear off. Not a lot of wiggle room. 2mo
CBee @squirrelbrain I think they were trying (in a very extreme way) to protect Fen. They didn‘t want Rowan to let him out. I do think Dom should‘ve told her sooner, though. 2mo
mcctrish And didn‘t Hank make good choices when they did decide not to let him drown?! I WAS SCREAMING #rotinhellmotherfucker 2mo
mcctrish But I did want a HEA 2mo
Kitta @squirrelbrain as someone who was raised by a narcissist, you can still care for them and you sorta lose all sense of self preservation due to the gaslighting. They‘re very charismatic and convincing! I think she felt she had to help him, even if she knew. I certainly felt it was my job to « rescue » my family from messes all the time. She was distracted by the loss of her house I think and finding him gave her purpose again. Even if he‘s not good 2mo
Reggie @mcctrish yes! I was like why we have to lock Orly in there like that? lol and I love horror and am used to all kinds of horrible and terrible things happening to character endings but I really wanted the HEA here, too. 2mo
Ruthiella I thought it was ridiculous. The plotting is mostly what drove me nuts about this book. No one behaved in a way that made any sense to me. The withholding of information was a means to draw out the tension, and that annoyed me. 2mo
Lesliereadsalot I thought the ending was perfect, not tying up all these damaged people in a neat little bow. They couldn‘t tell Rowan that Hank was there, they didn‘t know how she‘d react. We don‘t know how she‘d react. And I think they were all too damaged to live happily ever after. They needed to recover slowly, off the island, find out who they were in another environment. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Reggie I totally agree. Why didn't they just tell her? It is a emotional manipulation -miscommunication trope. 2mo
TheKidUpstairs @Bookwormjillk It seemed to me that she knew, and honestly it's the one thing about this book that I have trouble reconciling. I don't quite understand why she'd risk so much to get to him when it really seems that she knew who he really was. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Kitta I agree I think any rational woman would know, with the way he talked to her about her home, and how he talked to her about kids. She is still married to the guy and he disappeared, I think personally it was stupid of her to go to the island in the first place, but she was worried for her husband who was erratic before disappearing. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @sarahbarnes I am disappointed in the ending too. What are we supposed to learn from it? Dom is the one who locked Hank up, the whole family lied and manipulated her. She is there trying to find a husband who sent scary emails then disappeared, what is the message we are supposed to get from her death. Having both of the adult women figures in these childrens lives die? Why? 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @BarbaraBB I get that someone should have died in the end. With the themes as you say, but why Rowan? What is the message we are suppose to get from it being her? I personally, after 3 Mcconaghy books think this author hates women.... I wish I was joking, and I really think she hates women who do not have children. Every book of hers she either forces the woman to change her mind, treats them like idiots, or makes them regret their decisions. 2mo
Deblovestoread Some books there is a voice in my head analyzing an author‘s choices and others I‘m just all in. Not sure the reason but in all of her books I‘m 100% in. I trust that whatever the story goes it‘s right. I was sad about the ending but also wondered if they all got off the island would the relationship last. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 2mo
Christine I think I‘m mostly with @BarbaraBB and @Karisa on the ending - fittingly dramatic. And yay, I‘ve been waiting to learn the details about your hate this week, @Ruthiella !! 😁 I enjoyed the book but I agree that a lot of the decision-making was not sensible. 2mo
Christine @squirrelbrain Thanks for leading such great conversations this month! 2mo
BookwormAHN I think the ending was a little too dramatic, mostly I hated that Rowan died. I would have rather have seen them all get a fresh start. But I did love the book. 2mo
Hooked_on_books I think the most important thing about an ending is that it fits the book and honors what has been told in the story to that point, and this one does. So it really worked for me. It also gave Rowan a complete character arc and the others a path forward. I thought it was really well done. 2mo
Gissy It was a heartbreaking ending💔 Of course I didn‘t want Rowan to die, I wanted a second opportunity for each character, but I respect author‘s choice. Her stories are dramatic😭I think Raff and Fen would emerge stronger from this experience and they will help Orly and specially Dom to start their healing process. So sad 😭 Love this book4.5/4.8 ⭐️ 2mo
willaful @ChaoticMissAdventures I'm intrigued by you opinions because that part of the storyline about Orly's birth sat uncomfortably with me. And if it really is a pattern in her books, even though I loved this I don't think I'll want to read her again. 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @willaful I mostly have been looking at her from a child free lens. This is my 3rd (&last) book of hers I have read Wolves- MC doesn't want children, gets pregnant, ignores it, then decides there is nothing in life she wants more than a baby has the stupidest birth, (I think her sister dies?) Migration & This 1 childless women run all over the globe suffering searching for their connection to men. All of her women go through it. None are spared.👇 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures 2/2 the women who do live have to change their minds about having children (wolf girl) and even then she might kill them off for the plot! Is it possible that here the moms death doesn't sit right with you b/c no doctor in the world would ask a husband to choose?? People talking about she is writing women suffering b/c it is reality when there are insane plot devices like asking husband to choose mom or baby in an actual hospital. 2mo
Chelsea.Poole I think another mother figure passing away from this family was connected to the idea of the environmental crisis//Mother Earth, a symbol of one generation giving way for the next to inhabit the earth. Motherhood is often about sacrifice for children and their mother made the ultimate sacrifice at the beginning of Orly‘s life and now Rowan does too. It was awful and sad…fit with the rest of the book. @Reggie commentary is golden✨ 2mo
JamieArc @squirrelbrain I‘m impressed that such a robust conversation can happen through short comments. So many people engaging with it! Thanks for hosting a great month of conversation! 2mo
TEArificbooks I was upset Rowan died. I thought maybe she would drown but the ghost and Dom doing CPR would save her, maybe leave it unclear at first if she survived but in the epilogue make it clear she did. I definitely figured Hank would die. And would never read another book by her though if she killed off Orly. Would have been way more upset about his death. 2mo
GatheringBooks @Reggie i miss youuuu! Love what you said about the ghost of the mother and “not my family” bit - or maybe they bonded? Lols. I have to admit that I am of the camp who loved this book. I did cry when I read through the last part - as I was hoping for something more uplifting. But @BarbaraBB is right- it wouldn‘t have blended well with the overall vibe of loss and devastation that McConaghy was going for. I felt it was heartbreaking - yet hopeful. 2mo
Reggie @Chelsea.Poole lol, thanks! I like your take on mothers and the connection to Mother Earth. I get so bummed out when I go see zombie movies and the end is like, no, there are no humans left. And in here she was laying it on thick. Like sooner, much sooner than we think, climate change is coming for us. But until then can we just have a happy ending? 2mo
Reggie @GatheringBooks hi Myra!!!! I was crying while reading this book up until the ghost mother showed up. Why was she there?!!!! lol What was the point? I felt like we were about to have a real ghost Susan Sarandon to the new stepmom Julia Roberts-treat them like your own moment. Whatevs, whatever Charlotte McConaghy- I‘d still read another by her. I‘m excited for the next camp books! 2mo
squirrelbrain @JamieArc @christine - it‘s the Littens who make camp so wonderful - with wide-ranging discussions and such insightful commentary. ❤️ 2mo
BarbaraBB @ChaoticMissAdventures Oh wow is that true? I hadn‘t realized that and it seems hard to believe but it‘s an issue in each book, that might be a motive indeed 2mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @BarbaraBB I am sensitive about the topic, being passionately child free I hated wolves & how she showed the MC pregnancy and change of mind so it was top of my mind here. Here I really hated how she acted like it is shocking that Rowan could care about others children. When she had made her decision due to the environment. She never said she hated children. Being willing to be a stepmom is a whole other thing than being willing to have children. 2mo
vonnie862 I was not expecting the ending 2mo
BarbaraBB I loved Rowan‘s attitude towards the children. I didn‘t feel like the author was judgmental about that but I get that you‘ve paid much more attention to it so you‘re probably right! @ChaoticMissAdventures (edited) 2mo
DGRachel Going to comment again before reading others just because I was absolutely devastated by the ending. I‘m glad the Salts survive, and that they seem to be pulling closer with honest communication, but I‘m devastated they have to move on without Rowan. One more person for the family to grieve and it marked the death of the hope I had for their off-page future. 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes, it was a truly shocking ending, wasn‘t it?! @vonnie862 @DGRachel 2mo
Butterfinger I was completely shocked. Hank. Oh my goodness gracious. Was not expecting him. AND, I WILL REMAIN ANGRY FOR HOW HE TOLD ROWAN HE WAS GOING TO THE BASE. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME, YOU JERK!!!!I'm just glad that the children survived. Broken, but together. 2mo
Butterfinger @ChaoticMissAdventures you make a very valid point about women choosing to be child free. I find myself thinking all the time-she's been married for awhile, is she having trouble getting pregnant? I realized while reading WDS, I was being judgmental. It's 2026 and every woman doesn't want to be a mom. I guess it was ingrained in me as a child-you can work and you get to still be a mom. So, I am grateful that this book opened my eyes in this regard 2mo
Butterfinger @Chelsea.Poole wonderful parallel between the characters and Mother Earth. 2mo
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A little while ago Richard Osman chose this as his favourite ever short book / novella. (on The Rest is Entertainment podcast with Marina Hyde). It just appeared as an audiobook on my library app so I thought I‘d give it a go.

WW1 veteran, Tom, arrives in a Yorkshire village to restore a medieval mural in the church and finds restoration himself. It‘s such a beautiful but sad story - reminded me rather of The Remains of the Day.

Tamra I love Carr‘s beautiful prose in this one. Quietly beautiful & poignant. 2mo
squirrelbrain It is gorgeous isn‘t it? @Tamra It‘s very local to me as well. Osgodby is a made-up village but Ripon, where they go to buy the church organ, is only 12 miles away. 2mo
Ruthiella I absolutely loved this book. ❤️ 2mo
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BarbaraBB I loved this one as well, but it‘s a long time ago I read it. 2mo
LeahBergen I loved it, too! 2mo
Cathythoughts A beautiful book. I loved it too. ❤️ 2mo
youneverarrived It‘s such a beautiful book. 2mo
Centique Im joining in on the chorus - loved loved loved this! 2mo
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Woodworking | Emily St James
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Loved, loved, loved this #camplitsy25 pick!

I won‘t say any more until we discuss in the second half of July… 🤫

BarbaraBB Oh really? That sounds very promising! 2mo
Ruthiella Agree. This book was fabulous. This sort of character driven novel is my sweet spot. 2mo
AmyG I am reading it now and I just got to one part and thought….I love this book. @barbaraBB it IS promising! 2mo
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BarbaraBB @AmyG @Ruthiella High praise from you too, I‘ll get to it as soon as I return home! 2mo
squirrelbrain I think you‘ll love it too! @BarbaraBB 2mo
squirrelbrain Oooh @AmyG - now I need to know *which* part?! 😜 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I love a character-driven novel too! @ruthiella 2mo
AmyG @squirrelbrain I will let you know when we discuss that part! 2mo
Lesliereadsalot Not loving this book as I keep putting it down. I see everyone else loves it, so I‘ll stick with it for #camplitsy25. @BarbaraBB 2mo
BarbaraBB @Lesliereadsalot interesting! Now I am very curious where I‘ll end up with this book! 2mo
Oryx I loved this too. Its fantastic 2mo
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Havoc | Rebecca Wait
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Whilst I liked this I‘m *really* disappointed to say I didn‘t love it. I usually adore campus novels and, with such high expectations for this author, this just fell a bit short.

There were too many characters with at least one unnecessary storyline, meaning there wasn‘t the emotional heft of previous books.

It felt too matter-of-fact, with a lot of the book taken up with faxes between medical professionals ⬇️

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Pub 3rd July in the UK

squirrelbrain which, while interesting, also detracted from the emotional side of the book. There also wasn‘t enough exploration of the MC and her supposed ‘difficult‘ new roommate. 3mo
TrishB Pre- warned 👍🏻 3mo
sarahbarnes Oh no - I just found out she has a new book AND that I need to temper my expectations of it all in one post! 😂 3mo
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BarbaraBB Oh no! I have been highly anticipating this one! Incidentally I just started a book with the same title 3mo
squirrelbrain You may all love it, but it just seemed rather ‘ordinary‘ to me. 🤷‍♀️ @TrishB @sarahbarnes @BarbaraBB I‘ve seen the tagged book around Barbara - looking forward to hearing how it is! 3mo
TheKidUpstairs Oh no, I'll temper my expectations. I've loved both of her books I've read, so I was really looking forward to this one! I'll look to borrow not buy! 3mo
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The Unwilding | Marina Kemp
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This was really good - a holiday / beach read but with more about it.

In 1999 the Travers family gather at their Sicilian villa, along with assorted hangers-on of the patriarch Don, a renowned writer. The story is alternately told by the youngest daughter, Nemony, and Zoe, a new addition to Donks retinue.

20 years later, they both look back on the fateful holiday, where Nemony‘s eldest sister made a mistake that will haunt all their lives.

CarolynM Sounds good. 3mo
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Wild Dark Shore | Charlotte McConaghy
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Welcome to our second book of #camplitsy25! We hope you‘re enjoying Wild Dark Shore and we look forward to 2 weekends of discussions.

Don‘t forget, this week we are discussing the first part of the book only so, if you have read on to the end, please take care not to post spoilers for everyone else!

Also, we‘re not tagging on every post, so please scroll down for the other questions for this week.

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DGRachel This has been a bit of A Week, so I haven‘t started yet. I have a bit of catching up to do. 🙃 3mo
Kitta I think Dom needed control over his life due to grief and moving to the island was one way to make things manageable for him. But I‘m not sure it‘s what‘s best for the children. They need to socialize with other kids their own age and develop friendships etc. It sounds like Raff especially needs extra support with learning and he‘s not getting that. They‘re so isolated. 3mo
Lesliereadsalot The situation in which the kids have been raised seems nearly impossible. So inter-dependent, no friends except for the sea life, such a limited childhood! It‘s all they know, but still, how does a parent do this to his kids? Very selfish. 3mo
Bookwormjillk Gosh, it's part loving family and part hostage situation. I don't see it going well when/if they get off the island. 3mo
TEArificbooks I think the family is grieving and the world is suffering from climate change disasters and there is no perfect way to deal with all that. But people do tend to hold the ones they love closer after such a big loss and they become more codependent. And just because it was not a typical upbringing doesn‘t mean it was wrong or damaging. It might have been what they all needed. 3mo
TEArificbooks It even reminds me little of The Light Pirate. The main character was young when Florida began to sink and everyone left it. But she stayed with an old lady and her brother left her. And by growing up in a new climate world she adapted in ways adults couldn‘t and lead to her survival. So maybe the isolation in a rough environment would help them learn how to survive on their own in such a challenging new world. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole I really feel for Dom. He‘s lost and grieving. He wants to protect his children but I‘m not sure he‘s doing that in such a remote location. This wildness might be what he needs but it may not be what the children need at this point in their lives. 3mo
Suet624 Just a reminder: Don wasn‘t always there with just his kids. There were others on the island at some point. It‘s funny because I never thought to be critical of Dom. His kids, while grieving, seem to be doing pretty well - much like any isolated family in a rural area would. (edited) 3mo
TEArificbooks No matter how the dad chose how to raise his kids people would judge them. And he judges himself. He is always questioning himself and regretting word choices and his own parenting. Regretting the things he said or things he didn‘t do. Even questioning if coming to the island was a good idea. Just like every parent. 3mo
Kitta @Suet624 that‘s true, I forgot there were others at one point, but now it‘s very isolated and his reluctance to leave and the broken radio equipment worries me. 3mo
TrishB Always very difficult to be a parent- because everyone has an opinion on how you do it. I think he made a decision for good reasons for himself and the family at that point in time. 3mo
AmyG They were a family in pain after such a loss. Dom did what he thought was best as he deeply loves his children, though he is a very the damaged man. What @TrishB said….he made a decision he thought was best. As for family dynamic…they all deeply love each other and, even with all their issues, I felt they were a close family and very dependent on each other. BUT…wow, there is so much pain there together and separately. (edited) 3mo
KarenUK Totally agree @TrishB I think that that opinion of others parenting is often in comparison to what is they consider the ‘normal‘ way. More isolated communities exist all over the world. There isn‘t one way to live. And as @Suet624 said, there were other people there at first. They are grieving as a family. And the kids seem to be empathetic, kind and loving, and developing interpersonal skills even though they are fairly isolated. 3mo
BarbaraBB I find Dom‘s parenting both heartbreaking and deeply human. He‘s trying to raise strong, capable children in a world that‘s falling apart, but in doing so, he passes on some of his own pain. He protects them fiercely—but at a cost. 3mo
LeeRHarry I agree @KarenUK - people live in isolation in many different places and the children share a solid and caring relationship. The grief is palpable and seriously needs to addressed though. 3mo
squirrelbrain @DGRachel - it‘s a fast read once you get going - enjoy! 3mo
squirrelbrain @kitta -I felt that about Raff, too. Out of all of them I felt he was struggling the most. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Bookwormjillk @Susanita - that‘s a perfect way of looking at it! 3mo
Zuhkeeyah I think Dom is doing his best. He knows he's not a warm and fuzzy but he loves those children with his whole being. The distance we see in the book is recent because he does mention before times where they sought him out for comfort. 3mo
squirrelbrain @TEArificbooks @TrishB @AmyG @KarenUK - great point that parents are criticised whatever they do. Dom, like all parents, is doing what he thinks best in the circumstances he found himself in. 3mo
Zuhkeeyah @BarbaraBB Exactly. This is seen in how he helps Raff channel his anger. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Suet624 @BarbaraBB @Zuhkeeyah - he certainly does love his children fiercely, and is trying to protect them from (perceived) threats, but in doing so, has he exposed them to different dangers? 3mo
BkClubCare For me, the fact (whatever incident HAS happened that I don‘t yet know because I have only read to half 😊) that something horrific has recently happened and Dom is all calm, “yep, power out, it‘s only 6 weeks left, carry on” with NO dealing with it all besides, “let‘s not talk about it, shall we?” Seems a bit weird. There is no conversation of what next, no prepping for any new life elsewhere. Just washing the salt off the windows as needs must. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @BkClubCare I stopped at halfway too and have the same frustrations. 3mo
jenniferw88 I think Dom's children are coping better with their grief than Dom is, and the relationships between them is OK. Raff might be struggling slightly more as he's dealing with 2 losses (his mum & Alex), but they're trying to work as a unit to help their Dad, who doesn't know how to go about restoring their relationships. 3mo
Zuhkeeyah @squirrelbrain Hmmm yes and no. The kids know more about the natural world than most adults. The problem is that they're not part of the human portion, which is going to be hard when they go back to the mainland. Also, no one talks about their feelings but Orly. 3mo
Karisa Nodding along with your voices. The complexity of the situation that McConaghy builds in this cold world of work, nature, and family is sublime. I admired Dom‘s strength in carrying on when leading his family while also worrying that the noncommunication is putting them all at risk. They are in survival mode. It‘s both sad and beautiful this place. 3mo
sarahbarnes Agree with many of the thoughts here. Dom seems to be doing what he believes is best for his children. The future of the planet also factors into that for him - I think he feels a heavy obligation to protect the seeds until they are picked up. And on top of all that, he is immersed in grief. His kids are experiencing some incredible things. And in many ways it still feels like any childhood - joking about how their dad makes them do chores etc. 3mo
mcctrish I agree with all that has been said - I do question moving to an isolated place with the kids after they lost their mom preventing them from having friend supports but global warming ramping up negates that luxury?@TEArificbooks I had The Light Pirate vibes too with the kids being able to negotiate this new world better. I haven‘t read ahead & I feel like whatever has transpired has rocked them & caused the riff between dad & daughter 3mo
Susanita @BkClubCare Yes! The family had things barely under control or at least at some kind of equilibrium…then Rowan comes along and upsets the apple cart. It was funny to me that Dom was mad at her for lying, when they‘re obviously lying about SOME BIG THING. And yeah, let‘s just get to it already. 3mo
Karisa Random but…. Does any one else love that she made their last name Salt? 😍 3mo
JamieArc I haven‘t thought a lot about criticizing Dom, like @Suet624 I feel like there is a lot we don‘t know yet. What does the world actually look like? How bad is it? I‘m not sure how to balance how much the kids‘ situation will hold them back or put them ahead once they get into “the real world.” And - they are leaving with the next boat, so there‘s that. 3mo
Zuhkeeyah @Karisa Lol I didn‘t catch that. A lot of earth themes throughout. 3mo
peaKnit @Bookwormjillk I like how you said that - part loving family, part hostage situation. I think the kids may be flourishing in some interesting ways, ways that wouldn‘t make sense anywhere else but while suffering and missing so much socialization. I understand why but don‘t agree with it as a long term situation for everyone‘s mental health. 3mo
kspenmoll I have just read the first part also. The lush descriptions of the land, its sea creatures, traveling seed on the albatross, birds, light & darkness are captivating. It‘s heartbreaking to feel the grief-it‘s palpable like a character in itself. I think Dom is doing his best to- he is not a man to explore feelings in words which does short change the children - he does not seem to understand that one word will bring his daughter back to him. 3mo
Deblovestoread Loved @Bookwormjillk comment and agree with the comments about the deep love this family shares although shattered by the loss of their mom/life. It is so easy to judge parenting from the outside looking in and Dom could communicate more but he‘s doing his best. 3mo
squirrelbrain @BkClubCare @Bookwormjillk @Susanita @kspenmoll - this halfway split was just perfect.👌 Things really start to happen soon, although it takes a while to build! 3mo
squirrelbrain @Karisa @sarahbarnes @jamiearc @peaKnit @deblovestoread - I agree that Dom is doing what he feels best, and also that they‘re in survival mode. But surviving on the island and surviving in the real world are two entirely different things. 3mo
Megabooks @Bookwormjillk hostage situation is the word I was looking for. I think he loves them but is controlling them in a very negative way, too. 3mo
Megabooks @TEArificbooks that is a really good comparison to TLP!! I loved the MC in that book. 3mo
MeganAnn I actually think that a lot of the grief/ pain the kids are experiencing stems from the big thing that happened before Rowan arrived on the island. They‘ve been on this island for 9 years & their mom died before they came so while they still miss her, they are more worried that Dom cannot seem to find a way through his grief over losing her. Raff is struggling because of the loss of Alex. We don‘t know what happened with Fen yet but something did. 3mo
Megabooks @Suet624 idk if I agree that kind of isolation is good for any kid. I found myself wondering why didn‘t he leave when the other people did. It just bothers me that Fen sees more communion with animals than other people. 3mo
MeganAnn @TEArificbooks yes this is reminding me a lot of The Light Pirate also! One of my favorites. @mcctrish I agree that whatever big thing happened has caused the rift between Dom and Fen. 3mo
MeganAnn While the kids may not be socializing with children their own ages, they were clearly still social with the scientists who were on the island until recently. So while it may not be ideal and they will probably struggle at first to join a new community, I think they have the skills to adapt. And they have learned a lot from nature. Dom‘s refusal to deal with his grief and talk about his feelings is harder for the kids than anything. 3mo
vonnie862 It is not healthy. Dom is going through grief and is doing his best to raise his kids in this deserted island. But...what happened? They are obviously hiding something. 3mo
MeganAnn @Megabooks I see Fen‘s need to stay with the seals as a result of her dealing with whatever big thing happened that we don‘t know yet. Something clearly happened to her that caused her to pull away and feel uncomfortable in their home which is why she wants to stay out with the seals. Every time she is at the house she says something about not wanting to be there that feels like a trauma response to whatever happened. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @squirrelbrain yes it was quite the cliffhanger! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Suet624 I agree, there mostly seemed a constant flow of scientists on the island until we get to the point where we the reader join them. I do think though that kids need to socialize (more than whatever virtual school they were doing) with other children their own age. They miss so many mile stones and are going to find it difficult to make friends, which I feel they will need when they eventually skater off the island. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @BarbaraBB I agree, McConaghy in the end writes the children in general to be well adjusted and rational, even mature for their ages, I think she was trying to show the situation in a good light because though there is something going on with the kids in the middle we see that they are mostly okay. Even with Fen sleeping with the animals. It isn't much different than the scientists they grew up with. 3mo
JamieArc @Megabooks I‘m not convinced they did leave. It‘s probably a big jump to say they didn‘t, but with Hank‘s passport left behind, I‘m now wondering. At least the circumstances under which they left. 3mo
GatheringBooks I love @BarbaraBB‘s take on this question along with @Zuhkeeyah‘s thoughts that Dom is doing his best. I also agree with @TrishB that it is easy for an outsider to have opinions about how you raise your own children. As @TEArificbooks noted Dom has sufficient self-awareness that he also second-guesses his choices. More than anything, I find this to be an admirable undertaking - the sense that one has purpose & doing something valuable - what ⬇️ 3mo
GatheringBooks (Cont) what a remarkable opportunity for the kids to be surrounded by nature and be mentored by passionate scientists and be raised by a loving parent. I don‘t see what they miss in the regular sense - but marvel at what they have instead. Normalcy is overrated. This is something else altogether that not everyone will ever get to experience in their lifetime. If mainlanders don‘t get them, it‘s on them - not the kids‘. 3mo
Hooked_on_books I think he‘s doing his best. Plus, in this changing world, they‘re learning resilience and how to interface with the natural world, which are vital skills they likely wouldn‘t be learning in another setting. And with the rapid sea level rise, what is going on on the mainland? Is it chaos and violence? Probably. So they could well be better off where they are. 3mo
Larkken A little late to the party, but chiming in to say that to some degree the parenting seems to be a bit of commentary by the author on the breakdown of society at the end of the world. The undertone is : everything will be tribal & insular & the only people you can depend on is family. So Dom‘s parenting, I guess I would argue, is somewhat a result of the world-wide crisis itself? But maybe I‘m being cynical bc I find McConaghy rather dire/dismal 3mo
BookwormAHN I think it's clear Dom is hiding but I also think it would be fascinating to grow up like that. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Megabooks - aren‘t all children controlled by their parent(s) though? Although, the kids here have no chance of breaking away from Dom. 3mo
squirrelbrain @MeganAnn @vonnie862 @ChaoticMissAdventures I agree, the kids seem really well-adjusted, considering. They almost seem to be parenting their father. 3mo
squirrelbrain I love this @gatheringbooks - ‘normalcy is overrated‘ ❤️ 3mo
squirrelbrain @Larkken - not cynical at all, and a well-made point that no-one else has yet made. 3mo
Jas16 I think parenting is hard enough when you aren‘t dealing with everything on Dom‘s plate. I agree with others that he is doing the best he can Oftentimes that might not be enough but he clearly loves his kids and they seem to know that he loves him despite it all which is half the battle. 3mo
Jas16 @Larkken interesting point. 3mo
Lesliereadsalot It‘s really hard for me to discuss this book only discussing the first half! Really looking forward to next week. 3mo
BarbaraBB @TEArificbooks I now really want to read that book! 3mo
BarbaraBB @Karisa I wasn‘t aware of their last name but it‘s well chosen! 3mo
willaful @BarbaraBB Well put. 3mo
willaful @Megabooks I'm by no means sure that any of the other people actually “left.“ 3mo
squirrelbrain @Jas16 - I can‘t imagine how Dom is feeling with everything that is going on, and how guilty he must feel for his kids and the situation they‘re in. 3mo
Well-ReadNeck This question has me thinking about the movie Life is Beautiful where a father is raising his son in a concentration camp and imparts the beauty of the world to his son in the worst senecio. I think it‘s a lovely thought and a great movie, but wholly unrealistic. How to keep children protected and innocent while also teaching diligence and the skills to survive is a tricky balance. Different circumstances also make this different for every family 3mo
Megabooks @squirrelbrain I think there‘s a difference between control and support. Yes, you can say control is an appropriate word for a child Orly‘s age. I think support would be a more appropriate word for teen, and he‘s taken away a lot of their ability to make any decisions separate from him by isolating them so much. 3mo
Megabooks @JamieArc @willaful that‘s a good point. I just kind of pictured it like the research village on Lost. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Well-ReadNeck - it doesn‘t feel like the children are innocent of the world in this case, expect maybe Orly. It feels as though Fen and Raff have seen too much already. 3mo
CBee Finally finished the first half and am loving it (I knew I would). Agree with so many of the thoughts here, but also many unanswered questions that I‘m looking forward to finding answers… And as a parent who constantly doubts, I admire Dom. He‘s doing the best he can after losing his wife and well, during the end of the world. But, Raff and Fen are closed off for some reason, Orly is an open book. Curious to find out more 🧐 3mo
squirrelbrain Glad you‘re loving it! @CBee You can read to the end now! ☺️ 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain yay! Cause I don‘t think I can stop 😂 3mo
Butterfinger As I was reading the comments, my thoughts of child-rearing were quite different until I read @GatheringBooks. What an opportunity for children to be on this island where hope for the future is kept in the form of life (seeds) and to see nature in its primal state. As a parent, I try not to do things but give them adventures, and I was envying being there. On the other hand, I would never allow my daughter to sleep in another place by herself. 3mo
Butterfinger I also agree with @TrishB with the judgment. In particular, homeschooling. Homeschooling parents are judged because of the lack of socialization, whereas public school parents are judged for too much socialization. They have no friends their age. I agree with adventures, but not for that long. And we don't know, maybe Dom has no support system to take the children, so he did what was needed for his job. I'm going back and forth, aren't I? 3mo
DGRachel It‘s funny but I never thought to criticize Dom‘s parenting. As others have noted, he did the best he could while in the throes of grief and guilt. I do wish he‘d been softer for all of his kids, I think even at the halfway point, it‘s clear they needed that, but he loved them and cared for them the best he could. 2mo
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The author has addressed climate change in all of her novels – how do you find the portrayal of the climate crisis in this book, through the medium of the seed bank and other factors?

Do you think fiction is a good way of calling for action on this and other similar issues?

Kitta I think fiction is a good way to engage people about climate change and the devastating consequences if we don‘t act now. I like thinking about the island and its environment as a character going through a tough time. It‘s like the ocean is angry and reclaiming land that we humans have destroyed. The closing of the seed bank and Hank having to make the decision of what to save is depressing and stressful. Orly‘s thoughts add to it well. 3mo
Bookwormjillk My main volunteer gig has to do with the environment so I am always happy to see people treating climate change like something that actually exists. (Although I admit I have tried to read one of this author's books before and bailed.) 3mo
Chelsea.Poole I agree with @kitta —introducing/exposing people to some of these concepts with fiction is a way to get messages out to many who would not otherwise consider reading or learning about climate change. Picking up “a story” that reflects our current struggles is often the way to expose people to these climate disasters to wake them up. Love the author‘s use of nature/environmental concepts in her books. 3mo
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Suet624 I appreciate how she writes about the consequences of climate change. Her descriptions of nature have always put me right in the spot she‘s talking about. 3mo
TEArificbooks I think it is an excellent way to expose people to the fact that climate change is real and just around the corner and our grandchildren will be dealing with the things this family is dealing with. I have noticed a huge uptick in climate change fiction. I hope it inspires people to try to fix it and our next generation does better than us. 3mo
TrishB I enjoy learning via fiction, if you‘re interested you go away and find out more. I love the way she portrays nature as a character. 3mo
KarenUK I love her writing because of this. So evocative. It‘s very immersive, moving and thought provoking. 3mo
AmyG I loved the climate and descriptions of the land and sea. Her writing gave me such a clear picture of where they lived. I think it‘s a great way to get across to people the situation we are in as a world. I found myself googling seed bank etc. I now have a better understanding of that…which I didn‘t have before I read this book. 3mo
rockpools I think she writes the environment wonderfully! And seeing the island (and Rowan‘s lost home) through both Rowan and Orly‘s eyes is really effective. It feels very real, and very close. I haven‘t read her before, but am loving her ability to transport you to this place. 3mo
BarbaraBB You could argue the strength lies in its balance: the book doesn‘t just highlight ecological catastrophe—it delves into personal grief, survival, and moral choice. I regard the seed bank both a literal and symbolic heart of the story, representing what we value—or risk losing. fiction like this delivers more than facts alone, by bringing climate change into our emotional and moral worlds. 3mo
Susanita Fiction can drive home the emotional impact of a situation in a way that just reporting facts and figures can‘t really do. We feel the loss of Rowan‘s home to the fires and the loss of the island because we see those losses on an individual and immediate level. 3mo
squirrelbrain @rockpools - you should definitely read the other books by this author! 3mo
squirrelbrain Playing devil‘s advocate here - do you think the people who *should* read and do the research around a book like this, will do? Or will they just see it as pure fiction and not rooted in fact? @Kitta @Bookwormjillk @Chelsea.Poole @Suet624 @TEArificbooks @TrishB @KarenUK @AmyG @rockpools @BarbaraBB @Susanita 3mo
squirrelbrain @BarbaraBB - I was only seeing the seed bank in a very literal way. 🤔 3mo
Zuhkeeyah The island and Rowan's house are themselves characters in the book. The island shows what is still there, while Rowan's home represents how fast it can all disappear. This is mirrored with the seed bank and the need to protect it. Fiction reaches a wider audience than nonfiction. I'm glad to see authors making an effort to highlight the imminent dangers of climate change. Once you relate to a character's struggle, it's harder to ignore the issue. 3mo
rockpools @squirrelbrain The people who ‘need‘ to read around this - maybe they will see it as fiction. But it builds. They will hear about wildfires. And floods. And maybe even seed banks (or biodiversity loss). And the impact of those things will become more real, more relevant and the stories more human through having read fiction. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole @BarbaraBB excellent point about the seed bank! I thought often about what I would protect at all costs in my own life while reading. It‘s the seeds for the future —my children and the environment for them and all living beings. Seems to be a deeply ingrained drive for humans: preparing for the future. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Well put @rockpools !! I‘m not sure those who need this will be willing to pick it up on their own but this author sure is gaining popularity and perhaps that will help propel her message…plus, as mentioned above all the other cli-fi out there. It‘s going to become more and more difficult to avoid. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @squirrelbrain good point- on the whole probably not, but maybe someone will. 3mo
BkClubCare Oooo! Does anyone have any NF suggestions to pair with this? I definitely looked up snow gums and buzzy burrs, amongst other stuff. Great comments here. 👏 3mo
Karisa @BarbaraBB Ooooh, the seed vault as the heart is beautiful (after all, seeds and hearts can be transplanted). Their home is the lighthouse—the eyes? Both are failing with the people/lifeblood/brain trying to keep it all running while time is running out. They are hoping but unsure if help is on the way and if so, will the help make it in time? A microcosm of the larger, ailing world. 3mo
KarenUK @squirrelbrain Good point! Probably not is the sad answer… 3mo
mcctrish @Karisa I love your description of the island I love fiction that teaches me something and @rockpools that connections people who stumble across this book make in real life is enough to propel them to make changes ( or be loud enough to get the people in charge to) I loved reading the descriptions of this island - I continually wavered between wanting to be there and absolutely not wanting to be there 😆 3mo
JamieArc I really like that she makes it something really tangible and personal. It‘s not some big thing that has turned us into a dystopian planet. But it‘s affected the island, their home, their work. 3mo
AmyG @BarbaraBB Spot on. I viewed the seed bank as the future. Dom was saving the seeds so his children, and basically humans, could have a future. 3mo
Ruthiella I pretty much hated the book. But I do agree the writing is good and the environment, the weather, the atmosphere of the island is beautifully rendered. 3mo
peaKnit @BarbaraBB yes, I also appreciate your thoughts about the seedbank, now I can see it as the heart more - I‘m learning I might read too literally. 3mo
kspenmoll The author‘s descriptions of the land, sea, & its creatures were mesmerizing. I I loved the chapter that featured the truss from the seat on the back circling the Earth. I agree with @rockpools that seeing the island through the eyes of Rowan & Orly is effective- Rowan‘s eyes are new, so you feel her wonder & Orly‘s joy at sharing his world with her. @Karisa I love your view/ ideas about the novel as a “microcosm of the larger, -ailing world.” (edited) 3mo
Deblovestoread I love how I know exactly where I‘m at with her writing. Her descriptions are vivid. And yes I think novels can open our eyes to something we should be paying attention to and can spur you on to learn more. 3mo
squirrelbrain I agree with @chelsea.poole - that was beautifully put @rockpools , and so hopeful! 3mo
squirrelbrain @Karisa @JamieArc - this author is so good at linking large, expansive issues with more personal challenges, giving them so much more heart and meaning in the process. 3mo
squirrelbrain @mcctrish - maybe a short visit?! 😜 3mo
squirrelbrain @Ruthiella - I‘m sorry you didn‘t like it 😞 but glad you could see past that to some of the positives. 3mo
squirrelbrain @peaKnit - I read too literally too! A book like Audition *makes* you look for metaphors / analogies / whatevers but with books like this one that are so immersive and ‘easy‘ I tend to take them at surface value. 3mo
Megabooks @Kitta that‘s a good point. I feel like some folks feel lectured at with nonfiction or news in the way they don‘t with fiction. It opens us to new worlds even if they‘re scary. @Chelsea.Poole 3mo
Megabooks @BarbaraBB wow!!! Great thought/observation!! 💜💜💜 3mo
Megabooks @Suet624 @KarenUK @AmyG she is one of the best descriptive writers I‘ve read recently!! 3mo
Christine Great points, @BarbaraBB and @Zuhkeeyah ! And 🤣 @Ruthiella , I‘m enjoying the book but am eager to learn more about your hate! 3mo
vonnie862 The description of the island really helps portray the situation the characters are in. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @squirrelbrain I think the people who should read it, will never be changed, until something very drastic happens to them, and even then it is a 50/50 chance they will “believe“ in climate change. I think they would read this book as a dystopian thing that cannot happen like Mad Max or other wild tales. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I will begrudgingly admit (I did not like this book) she writes a scene/landscape well. I can visualize the island, and the cottages in my mind even now weeks after I have finished the book. I think she selects in all her books the harshest climates, the places that feel like they want to drive humans away by the force of nature. 3mo
JamieArc @Megabooks I was also thinking of the lecturing point. I feel like I‘ve seen people say that even with fiction books. But climate change is woven into the story in a way that doesn‘t feel like…I‘m not sure how to say it. It‘s all interconnected - the land, the climate, the characters and their grief. The climate doesn‘t overshadow the other parts. 3mo
Hooked_on_books I love how the environment is portrayed here. Especially the ocean, which here and in reality is relentless, unstoppable, and untamable. And she shows that so well. And I do think fiction is a good medium to explore things like climate change, since it allows an author to reach forward into what is to come and create characters people can relate to so they can see what it might be like for themselves. Plus, so many people just don‘t read NF. 3mo
Hooked_on_books @BkClubCare It‘s less about climate change specifically, but looks at human damage to locations and what nature has done to reclaim those places from human injury. It‘s fantastic and I think would pair well with this: 3mo
TEArificbooks @Hooked__on__books thanks for the suggestion. As for if I think the people need to read the book would read it and change their opinion on climate change? I hope so. I think if they can be empathic to a character then they can be empathetic to the environment too. However, I know that there are people that never believe no matter how much logic and evidence there is. There are still people that think the earth is flat for Pete‘s sake. 3mo
GatheringBooks Great follow up question by @squirrelbrain - that is the rub, isn‘t it? Whether those who need to read it manage to do so in the first place - but at least it IS there. You are right in noting how the setting is very much a character here. The sense of aliveness of the place and the evocative way it was described is lovingly detailed. Like @JamieArc noted, i never felt the climate change aspect was heavy handed or prescriptive, it simply is. 3mo
BkClubCare @Hooked_on_books - Thank you 🙏 3mo
BookwormAHN I was a little torn on the climate change aspect. On one hand I can see the need to find a way to convey the need for everyone to take it more seriously but I think that she almost pushed it in to a dystopian novel. Or we are a lot more screwed than I was previously aware if. 3mo
squirrelbrain @jamiearc @Megabooks - I don‘t think that this book felt like a lecture at all. Conversely, while I really enjoy Barbara Kingsolver, sometimes she gets on her soapbox and becomes really didactic. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Hooked_on_books - you‘re right, so many people shy away from NF for fear of it being ‘dry‘. 3mo
LeeRHarry @Hooked_on_books great NF book suggestion - I loved that one. The way that nature writing is woven into this book is my favourite part about it. Living in a country that regularly has bushfires, I thought the sense of devastatingly loss for all things as a result of fires was done really well. (edited) 3mo
Jas16 @BarbaraBB I love that so much. I didn‘t think of that while reading the book but you are so right 3mo
Jas16 @rockpools I agree with you. People may not do a deep dive into climate change after reading this but stories like this enter people‘s consciousness which is a way to get them thinking and empathizing outside of their usual bubbles. 3mo
rockpools @Hooked_on_books Thanks for the recommendation- I‘d wanted to read that when it came out, but it somehow fell off my radar… (or got buried under other things). 3mo
rockpools @squirrelbrain Yes re how she wove in climate change elements. And I agree re Kingsolver - I‘ve loved her books for years. But you can feel lectured! 3mo
Lesliereadsalot @Ruthiella You hated this book?!? Can‘t wait for next week to find out why. 3mo
Ruthiella @Lesliereadsalot Pretty much! 😂 3mo
rockpools @BarbaraBB I love your thoughts on the seedbank. For some reason, the decisions Hank was forced to make made me think of the UK education system (go figure!). ‘Useful‘ subjects only, none of that artsy, wild, beautiful stuff we need to thrive, just the crops we need to exist. 3mo
Lesliereadsalot @BarbaraBB What smart observations! You really got the best out of this book. 3mo
rockpools @squirrelbrain I will definitely read more by this author. Are camp sessions finished for today? Can I go back to my tent and read the second half now??! Can‘t wait to get back to it 😁 3mo
Hooked_on_books @rockpools I know we can all relate to that! 😂 3mo
squirrelbrain @rockpools - yes you can read more! At least you don‘t have to be secretive about it - at this camp we encourage reading after lights out! 😜 I have both other books if you can‘t get hold of them - I can bring them to Gladstone‘s and you could post them back to me, or I‘ll post them to you beforehand 3mo
rockpools @squirrelbrain Aw, thanks Helen 😘. But my library has both of the others, so no need to risk them to the post! Very happy you all pushed me to read her xx 3mo
Kitta @squirrelbrain late reply but I think you‘re right that the people who need to read it and understand, won‘t. But there will probably be a few who pick it up and have the ideas planted in their minds. We need to celebrate those wins, however small. And I think cli-fi is more engaging than NF sometimes. There‘s really good NF books but deciding to read it is a step too far for someone not engaged in climate change I think. 3mo
squirrelbrain That‘s great! @rockpools I just thought they‘re not that easy to come by in the UK so I‘m glad you can get them. 3mo
squirrelbrain We can but hope! 🤞 @Kitta 3mo
Well-ReadNeck I think the author is doing an amazing job of show-don‘t-tell here letting what the reader knows evolve through observation. Lots of ominous vibes here. I am a little confused about what the state of the world is here, but I think that‘s also part the story-they are so isolated they don‘t really know either. 3mo
Butterfinger Before I read comments, I am going to say - climate change is real and its scary and you think about everything humans have done (penguins in the barrels, oh my goodness) and the last black rhino that died in the current past. It's shameful. The author does a good job with describing the wild beauty and the ugly reality. And when you add Rowan's harrowing ordeal with the fire - it can get depressing. @Chelsea.Poole well said. 3mo
Butterfinger I agree with the symbolism @BarbaraBB I will also add that the seed bank is hope for mankind's future so the family and Rowan may have hope for a solid future. I love the idea of the seed bank. I knew the world had it, but I assumed it was in the north. Well said @Zuhkeeyah yes @mcctrish I also learn about major issues from fiction and this cli-fi will stay with me for a long time. My fav part so far is Orly sharing his love with her @kspenmoll 3mo
Butterfinger @ChaoticMissAdventures I remember the ozone scare in the mid to late 80s. Because I read my Nanny's newspapers as a child (lack of books and being a bit too far to get to the library) she stopped using her aerosol hair spray and burning Styrofoam. She grumbled, "Tammy Lynn needs to stop reading."? But she stopped. When the young get invested, they will share the message to family and/or raise their children more conscientiously. 3mo
Butterfinger Thanks @Hooked__on__books for the nf. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Butterfinger there are actually lots of seed banks around the world! You are probably thinking of what I think is the largest of them all, it is in the north in Norway way up by the Arctic pole by a town called Svalbard. Definitely not on an island that will flood soon, but that wouldn't be very dramatic for a novel. 3mo
Butterfinger Aaah!!! @ChaoticMissAdventures I see. That must be the one I know from CNN10. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes @Butterfinger - those barrels were truly horrific weren‘t they? And I love how you demonstrate that even the little things have an impact on ‘saving the planet‘ like your Nanny did. 3mo
DGRachel I love when the setting can be a character in its own right. The descriptions here are so evocative. It was hard not to feel frozen and windswept while reading (even though it‘s been between 90-100* F here the last two weeks 🥵). Also @BarbaraBB I love the idea of the seed bank as literal and metaphorical heart. I know there was a lot of symbolism I missed. 2mo
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Wild Dark Shore | Charlotte McConaghy
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#camplitsy25

There are two polarised views about the island, from Fen and her father. Orly also seems to love the island, although he knows nothing else. What about Raff?

Who do you think is more correct in their views?

Could you live (or even thrive!) in such an environment?

Kitta I think Fen says it‘s killing them but she clearly loves it too. The animals there, especially the seals, have a real acceptance of her if not a bond. But I think she‘s right and it‘s not sustainable forever to live there. Dom‘s grief is clouding his judgement imo. Maybe it was a good idea for a short period of time but 9 years? Orly‘s whole life? Only knowing the island? Idk. But I grew up in a city. I can‘t imagine growing up so isolated. 3mo
Bookwormjillk I would love to live on an island like that by myself for a year just to see if I could. That is assuming it wasn't trying to kill me.

I think this is one of those situations where everyone is right. It's such an extreme environment that it may kill some people and others may thrive. I think Raff is so deep in his grief that he's not really feeling anything at all.
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Lesliereadsalot I don‘t think Dom can see straight in this life where he has placed his family. He has his single minded focus on saving the seeds, and the kids come second. Of course he loves them, and he sees who they are, but he‘s sort of helpless to nurture them. Fen knows they need a different life, even though she has grown to love the sea. Raff and Orly go along, but only the reader can be objective enough to know how much they could grow elsewhere. 3mo
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Lesliereadsalot I could never live like this for even a week. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Maybe how each character feels about the island symbolizes their feelings/grief of losing their mother/wife? Fen is angry, Dom cannot let go, Raff is adrift, Orly doesn‘t know what he‘s missing out on. 3mo
Suet624 Oh gosh. Honestly, I‘m sad they will have to leave. While the conditions are harsh, moving to civilization feels scary to me for this group. The outside world will be hard to get used to and the conditions experienced living among other people could be as harsh as the island. 3mo
TEArificbooks I agree with @Chelsea.Poole there is a connection between their grief and how they feel about the island. But there is no wrong way to grieve and everyone has a different experience even when they are having the exact same experience. So I don‘t think anyone is wrong or right. You feel what you feel. 3mo
TrishB No way I could live this life. There is some attraction to isolation for short periods. But not forever. Their life there is not sustainable, which is sort of a sub plot about nature and life! 3mo
rockpools I‘m intrigued by Fen‘s view. Of everyone, she seems the most a part of the environment, and yet the most realistic about leaving. Her need to leave seems to be based on the mental health of the others, particularly Dom. She comes across as so capable… but possibly more aware that they need support. I do wonder what happened, why she won‘t sleep in the house. 3mo
rockpools And no. Much as I would love to live this kind of life, and have lived in some differently isolated places (never this extreme!), turns out I quite need to be around people, or at least have decent transport links back to civilisation, to stay sane. Annoying, really! 3mo
KarenUK I‘m definitely attracted to the idea of isolation in small doses, but long term… eek! I love what @Chelsea.poole said about their grief and their feelings about the island being intertwined. 3mo
AmyG I, too, agree with @Chelsea.Poole about the island and grief/loss. Fen comes to the island after her loss of her home, her husband and the family after the loss of their Mom/wife. I understand Dom wanting to desperately save the seeds…he couldn‘t save his wife so maybe he can help save the future for his kids. I think Fen believes this island is killing them. I also think Dom is afraid to leave…he may (in his mind) “lose” his kids to the world. 3mo
BarbaraBB I think the book pushes us toward a synthesis: the island isn‘t just wild or dear—it is both, and only by acknowledging both can the characters (and we) truly connect to it. I think island doesn‘t fit into a single box. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Lesliereadsalot @rockpools - Fen seems to be the most mature of everyone doesn‘t she? 3mo
Zuhkeeyah Fen is more self-aware than Dom, who is completely committed to protecting the seeds and keeping his kids close. The island was what they needed when drowning in grief but it's time the kids got to stretch their wings. Dom is afraid of them flying away from him because he's not ready for another loss. 3mo
Zuhkeeyah I don't think I'd mind the isolation of the island back when the researchers were there too. As it is now... no way. 3mo
Lesliereadsalot I think Fen expresses the most thoughts, so we clearly see how she has evolved. Her life should get better and better off the island. I did love Orly though, such a cool kid! 3mo
jenniferw88 I agree with @Suet624 . 3mo
squirrelbrain @Chelsea.Poole @TEArificbooks @AmyG - there‘s definitely some link to grief there, in all of them, isn‘t there? Hopefully, we‘ll explore that a bit more next week. 🤔 3mo
Karisa Totally agree with @Suet624 and @jenniferw88 there‘s no guarantees that the outside world seems unsafe too. @Lesliereadsalot I admire Dom‘s family and the place so much but wouldn‘t last a week either! 😅 3mo
mcctrish I think the island trying to kill them is 2 fold - the extreme weather is one making it hard to do anything and it‘s getting worse - plus whatever happened has scarred not only them but the island making them not function together. I could maybe handle it for a period of time but not to live and work for years. I don‘t even like the idea of not being able to walk somewhere and having to rely on a car for everything 3mo
Susanita Isolation sounds good in some ways…until it‘s not. And they are REALLY isolated now with whatever happened to the comms. Also, like @rockpools I really want to know the story with Fen and Dom. 3mo
Ruthiella I think they are both correct and the author means this to be a microcosmic portrayal of the planet and our relationship to it. Nature owes humans nothing. We are killing the Earth and so it defends itself - Earth abides. 3mo
peaKnit I imagine this family with a hard shell and squishy insides. They are so damaged but maybe stay distracted and build walls by the work of living on this island? Fen seems to have taken on a more adult role out of necessity but also protects herself by staying isolated much of the time. 3mo
kspenmoll I agree with @Suet624 as well. This family is so poorly equipped to deal with the real world- I have this gnawing feeling it would kill them. Also agree with @mcctrish in that the mysterious tragedy is eating them alive in different ways. I could visit an isolated spot but only as a visit, not to live & with the assurance I can leave. 3mo
mcctrish @Ruthiella YES!!!!! 3mo
kspenmoll I love these discussions for the different views and insights that I gain (edited) 3mo
kspenmoll @Ruthiella Perfect statement! 3mo
squirrelbrain @Ruthiella - that‘s a wonderful way of seeing / understanding the portrayal of both the family and the island. 3mo
vonnie862 I can see how they love the island but the island is not sustainable to live in. Maybe if they move to the middle of the woods instead? 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Lesliereadsalot I am right there with you. Absolutely not. I could never live in this environment! But I am a sunny warm person, cold make me so unhappy. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Chelsea.Poole I think this is a great way to look at the characters and their attachment to the island. That is a wonderful way to look at them. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I think Fen is seeing the island the way I do in question 2, it is like the elements are getting harsher and creeping in and trying to literally kill them. Fen sees that the world they build is not in their control, and is becoming to dangerous to hang onto. I agree with others she seems like the only rational person of the bunch. I personally am a city rat and could never live like this I would be bored out of my mind. 3mo
Hooked_on_books I‘m apparently one of the few (appropriately!), but yeah, I could totally live in that environment. 😂 I do pretty well with isolation. @Chelsea.Poole I love this take on each character‘s feelings for the island mirroring their grief. And @Ruthiella , you took the words out of my mouth! The island as microcosm for the planet is exactly how I see it. 3mo
Megabooks @Lesliereadsalot I think Dom is blinded by grief and needs to save something — his children, the seeds, the planet — because he lost something monumental. 3mo
Megabooks @Chelsea.Poole count me as another fan of your interpretation! 3mo
Megabooks I don‘t even want to live on a well inhabited island (even up to the size of the British isles — sorry @squirrelbrain ), so yeah, this doesn‘t sound good to me at all! 3mo
GatheringBooks @BarbaraBB loving the non-binary and more complex ideation of The Island: the same thing that we are most attached to can also be slowly killing us - a truth in most other situations too. The Island has become a sort of family to them, notwithstanding whether it is dysfunctional or otherwise. I think we would not really know what we are capable of unless we are in a situation where we have limited choices in the matter, which is why I admire Dom. 3mo
BookwormAHN I was kind of surprised by Fen's view since she seemed more attracted than any of them. But I also think it would be scary to like on a place that is so harsh and disappearing in front of them. 3mo
LeeRHarry I think Fen out of the three children has the most interest in the outside world even though she clearly loves the animals on the island, there is some contradictory resentment there about being stuck on an island. I‘d like to visit Macquarie Island - just visit mind - but then I‘m a bit of an islophile. 😊 3mo
BkClubCare Gosh, no one has even mentioned the ghosts. The island / nature might be both “wild and dear”, but what about the voices and sense of an otherworldly presence? 3mo
TEArificbooks @BkClubCare I think the ghosts/spirits of the dead people and animals have a greater role to play in I haven‘t read ahead, but there are so many hints (the story orly tells). I think maybe Hank went mad from the ghosts on the island and killed everyone and maybe Dom took him out. Or maybe there was mass hysteria cause Alex also was hung and it‘s not clear if he did it or he was executed 3mo
rockpools @LeeRHarry *googles Macquarie Island* Is this where this is based on then? I assumed it must be a real place when Orly mentions it as the only breeding ground for ?royal penguins - too specific a fact to make up (maybe). I‘ll fall down that rabbithole when I‘ve finished the book 🙂. But I‘d like to join you on your visit! 3mo
rockpools @BkClubCare @TEArificbooks And the footsteps Rowan hears behind her in the fog. Was that just her getting creeped out, ghosts, or is there someone else on the island? (edited) 3mo
LeeRHarry @rockpools oops is that a spoiler? 🫣hopefully not. I think you can definitely visit from here so the more the merrier I say. 😊 3mo
squirrelbrain @BookwormAHN @leerharry - there‘s clearly something else going on with Fen, despite the fact that she loves the island. 🤔 (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain @BkClubCare @TEArificbooks - we were going to ask a question about the ghosts / voices but there were so many questions we had to cut some out. I do think this will come out more in one of the second-half questions though. 3mo
squirrelbrain No spoilers there! @LeeRHarry 😉 3mo
Butterfinger I think Fen means the secret is killing the family. Raff, as the eldest, wants to protect his siblings even though he is dealing with his own pain and grief. He may be my favorite character. Dom is so ruthless and mean to him, but at least he knows and is reflective of that fault. @Lesliereadsalot Fen is so scared about returning to society. You are so right. WELL SAID @Ruthiella @BkClubCare I credited the presence to highly sensitive imagination 3mo
BkClubCare @squirrelbrain - reading on and already, GHOSTS 👻 3mo
DGRachel (Answering before reading comments) I lean more to Fen‘s interpretation, but I think it‘s the isolation and the lack of open, heartfelt communication that is destroying them. I know I couldn‘t survive the isolation. I lived in the mountains of NC, not as isolated, but disconnected from friends and family, for two years and it honestly made me suicidal. I need easy access to people, even if I choose to stay home. 2mo
DGRachel Also, like @Suet624 I worry about how they will adjust to life in civilization after being on the island for so long. 2mo
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Isn‘t this the most gorgeous cover?!

20 year old Thomas is a ‘shanker‘ - he collects shrimps in an unnamed beach town, in mid-20th Century Britain, still using a horse and cart. One day a charismatic American arrives, offering money and requesting help that only Thomas can offer.

Will he be able to break away from his lonely drudgery or is it all too good to be true?

#netgalley Pub 17th July in the UK.

BarbaraBB Super attractive cover indeed! 3mo
Cathythoughts Sounds beautiful ( cover is too ) stacked. ❤️ 3mo
TrishB Oh I love that cover ♥️ 3mo
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Well, that was batshit crazy! I‘ve no idea what just happened. I tried this author before and didn‘t get on with them but I persevered with this, as I read a review that said the ending was oh-so clever. Well, I must be oh-so stupid as nothing made sense to me. 😝

The MC is Kinga, but Kinga-A on Monday, Kinga-B on Tuesday…They keep a diary so each Kinga knows what the other is doing, and then Kinga-A finds a man tied up in their apartment. 🤷‍♀️

TrishB You didn‘t sell it…. 3mo
sarahbarnes I liked other books of hers I‘ve read, but may not rush to get to this one. 3mo
AmyG 😬(hard pass) 3mo
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Lesliereadsalot Oh-so disinterested. Thanks for your honest review! 3mo
Ruthiella I don‘t get her books at all. They are too experimental for me.. 3mo
Reggie Omg, I‘m having flashbacks of the Gingerbread book of hers I read. Lolol I might try her again. Great review. 3mo
Cathythoughts Great review! I‘m steering clear 👍🏻❤️ 3mo
squirrelbrain Yeah, I tried Peaces but didn‘t get very far…. Not sure why I persevered with this one - I have so many other books I‘d like to read! @Ruthiella @Reggie @sarahbarnes 3mo
Hooked_on_books I‘ve tried reading her and she just doesn‘t work for me. 3mo
Centique @Reggie remember when we sort of buddy read White is for Witching? It made a lot more sense after I heard your thoughts on it! I might need to try another Oyeyemi 🤔 3mo
Suet624 She always confuses me. 3mo
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Wild Dark Shore | Charlotte McConaghy
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#camplitsy25

Thank you all for some wonderful discussions about Audition over the past 2 weeks! I think we managed to wrestle a tough little book into submission between us! 🤣

Next Saturday we‘ll discuss the first half of WDS. It‘s much more difficult to identify chapters as most of them have 1 of the same 5 names! Anyhow, Orly has some short snippets about plants and we‘ll read to the end of the one about mangrove seeds, page 146 in my copy.

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Megabooks Great! Can't wait to discuss this one! (I just emailed you back. Thanks for checking in. 💜) 3mo
Ruthiella Looking forward to the discussion! 3mo
MeganAnn I am looking forward to this book! Have my copy all ready to go 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain I had to DNF Audition, but cannot WAIT to start WDS. Yay! 3mo
Karisa 👏👏👏👏 3mo
Gissy I haven‘t read Audition yet because it arrived yesterday. But I already started this one and I like it. I like this author writing style. I‘m reading the physical book with the audiobook. 3mo
Hooked_on_books Kitamura hasn‘t worked for me in the past, so I skipped Audition, but I loved this and look forward to the discussions! 3mo
squirrelbrain Are you going to try Audition? @Gissy It‘s a quick read, but very confusing!🫤 3mo
squirrelbrain @CBee @Hooked_on_books - looking forward to welcoming a couple of latecomers to camp! 😜 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Peeping myself to be the odd one out on this 😂 3mo
BookwormAHN I loved this one ❤️ 3mo
Roary47 I‘m still on a library hold for this one. 😭😭😭 I‘m 6 in line so don‘t think I‘ll make it. 3mo
Meshell1313 Sounds like a perfect plan! 3mo
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Book of Haikus | Jack Kerouac
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Posting this for the #haikuhive - it made me chuckle! I could try to write this post in the form of a haiku but….no! 😝

It‘s from a UK company:

https://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com/products/haikus-are-hippopotamus-unisex-t...

Ruthiella 😂😂😂 3mo
Deblovestoread ❤️❤️❤️ 3mo
JenlovesJT47 😅😅😅 3mo
Reggie Love it! 3mo
lil1inblue 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 3mo
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Gabrile | Anne Berest, Claire Berest
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#europacollective

I liked this but I struggled with whether it was a novel or NF. I didn‘t like the authors‘ comments at the end of each chapter, they really drew me out of the ‘story‘.

I also found it frustrating that they kept saying ‘we don‘t know anything about Gabriële‘s life‘ - not in the past tense ‘we didn‘t know but we‘ve learned‘ but in the present so it read like ‘we still don‘t know‘.

A soft pick for me.

Lesliereadsalot I‘m halfway through this one, not loving it. Also not interested in the authors‘ comments, so misplaced! @squirrelbrain @BarbaraBB #Europacollective @tpixie (edited) 3mo
tpixie @Lesliereadsalot @squirrelbrain the comments do abruptly pull you out of the story. I‘m slow reading. I find the characters are not likable. But some of the information has been interesting. But it certainly is not moving me like the postcard did. (edited) 3mo
BarbaraBB Great review. I didn‘t find the author‘s comments as annoying as you and @Lesliereadsalot did but I just didn‘t think Gabriele that interesting. To her great granddaughters alright, but to us? 3mo
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Velvetfur This sounds very interesting so I've stacked, thank you! 3mo
squirrelbrain @Velvetfur -this one by the same author was *so* much better so if you haven‘t read it yet, try it first. 3mo
Velvetfur @squirrelbrain Cool, thanks for the tip 👍🏻☺️ 3mo
Velvetfur @squirrelbrain Cool, thanks for the tip 👍🏻☺️ 3mo
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Audition | Katie Kitamura
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#camplitsy25

It‘s been a perplexing first fortnight at camp, hasn‘t it?!

That new girl, Katie, I think she‘s called, seems to think she‘s an actress and she has all sorts of stories to tell, but she changes her mind every few hours as well! Hopefully we can figure her out between us. 😜

Don‘t forget we‘re only tagging the first question each week, so scroll down for questions 2 and 3.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

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CarolynM I don‘t have a direct answer to the question, but I thought the passage at the beginning of Part 2 about the transition scene in the play was interesting as a metaphor for changes in our lives. Understanding, even enjoying, the change as it happens sets us up to make the most of the new life. 3mo
RaeLovesToRead The book mentions a big scene in the middle of the play that the MC has to nail but struggles with, and that this is a transition between the first and second parts of the story. And structurally it feels like this is deliberately missing / not shown to us! The play she is acting in some ways reflects the actual book. 3mo
TrishB I think it‘s reflecting how we all play parts in real life- not just on stage 🤷‍♀️ 3mo
TheKidUpstairs Like @TrishB said, there are parallels between the roles played on stage, and the roles we play with different people in our life. In the second half, it felt like MCs various roles were collapsing in on each other. I also felt like comments in the first part about aging and memory and perception r were then reflected in the second part's fever dream - it felt like the nightmare of being thrust on stage, but you don't know the part or the lines... 3mo
BkClubCare @RaeLovesToRead EXCELLENT observation 3mo
TheKidUpstairs ... she was always trying to catch up to the story she found herself cast in, but was unsure of her role there. 3mo
BkClubCare The book uses the play and probably the Shakespeare quote “All life is but a stage” etc as inspiration of the ways to be a mother or NOT be a mother and every day the roles are unpredictable. 3mo
RaeLovesToRead @BkClubCare Also observe how I didn't actually answer the question 🤣🤣🤣 3mo
mcctrish Now that I read this quote/question again and I think of @Bookwormjillk ‘s dementia idea I think it can refer to what part of it all she remembered and could take with her on the stage each night. The parallel being her real life too. She‘s so unreliable and there is so much underlying in the text I‘m just 🤯 3mo
squirrelbrain @CarolynM @RaeLovesToRead @TrishB @TheKidUpstairs - I thought the fact that she had nailed the play in the second half, but then things started to go a bit awry was demonstrating that we can‘t always have it all. 3mo
GatheringBooks @RaeLovesToRead everything that you said about the scene MC struggles with & how it is metaphorical of the narrative. Love the question as it captures in essence the strangeness of the book, a strangeness that makes a bit of sense structurally, and the fact that we have an unreliable narrator here who shifted from being a flighty wife to a devoted-yet-hard-to-please mother in the transition phase. A case where story form matches characterization. 3mo
AmyG I question if there is a blurred line between the main character‘s acting on stage and living life. Does she live her actual life as if she is on a stage? Does she feel the need to get the “performance” in life correct as she does on the stage. I wonder if she can separate the actress from the person. 3mo
AmyG @TheKidUpstairs what you just said….as in the play and in her life she is unsure of her role. In the play, she can‘t quite grasp, or perfect, that one scene. But one cannot live life as if it‘s a scene in a play as life is a “living, changing thing” where a play is the same, over and over. In a play you have an opportunity every night to make it perfect. Life doesn‘t always offer that opportunity. You know what happens in a play…not in life. (edited) 3mo
vonnie862 I agree with many of you. The MC is unsure of her role in real life, so her life is a stage. Now, the idea of possible dementia did cross my mind. 3mo
kspenmoll I did not pick up on possible dementia but then she could be hallucinating if that is the case in the 2nd half. Agree with all regarding blurting of lines between a role on stage & her actual life- is she always acting? I like @GatheringBooks “ a case where story for matches characterization” Who is she? Does she even know? 3mo
BkClubCare @kspenmoll @GatheringBooks - great comments! She does NOT know who or how to be. 3mo
Susanita When they were in the elevator together I thought: What if Hana is a serial killer? But that would be a totally different book! 🤣 3mo
Deblovestoread Thanks @AmyG. I quickly read the second part last night before bed and my mind went so many places. I think you nailed it. 3mo
Meshell1313 Anyone else thinking of this: "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts…” (edited) 3mo
Butterfinger @TrishB I had the same thought. There are so many roles I have to play, and each different "audience" has different expectations. Ms. Dayton, Tammy, Tammy Lynn (my parents), and my favorite role - momma. I also find there has to be a transition between each act. It's hard to go straight to mothering from teaching. 3mo
Butterfinger @TheKidUpstairs @AmyG I relate to the blurriness as well. Those quick moments of transition can make it seem that you have become insane. I think the dynamics of the small family of 3 changed when the woman arrived. The narrator became an observer, an audience member. She didn't know her role anymore. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @TheKidUpstairs I love this look on things. How she is always trying to catch up and figure out her role. The mirroring of herself and her characters self. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @RaeLovesToRead I have read and listened to a few of her interviews about this book and I think she would be elated at you not actually answering the question 😂 😂 she very much wanted people to go in for the idea of each part but just enjoy the ride and not find answers. 3mo
AmyG To add to what I said….in a play, you have many opportunities to “get it right”. Not so in life. In life, there are no auditions. Definition if audition: an interview for a particular role or job as a singer, actor, dancer, or musician, consisting of a practical demonstration of the candidate's suitability and skill. Did the MC have skill in acting, life or both? Was she suitable to be a Mom or not? (edited) 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @ChaoticMissAdventures your right, I think she'd love all the different interpretations people are offering here. It takes all to offer up a story that can be so open to ideas and interpretations and leaves so many questions, but its still so well crafted. I tip my proverbial hat to her! 3mo
squirrelbrain I agree with @Deblovestoread - I think you nailed it! @AmyG And I love your take on the title too. 3mo
squirrelbrain It‘s interesting that a few Littens thought of dementia, @vonnie862 - it hadn‘t even crossed my mind. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Susanita - it might have made for a better book! 🤣 3mo
squirrelbrain @Meshell1313 - I hadn‘t thought of that, but really it encapsulates the whole narrative, doesn‘t it? 3mo
Maggie4483 @Susanita I had the same thought! Or, that Hana and Xavier were scam artists and this book was going to take a weird, violent turn. 3mo
Maggie4483 I definitely agree that the MC is not sure of her place in life. And as a reformed theater kid, I can relate. People are always so surprised when I tell them that I did theater, because I am so shy. But if all my lines and stage directions (and the other characters' reactions) were laid out for me in life, I'd probably be a lot more talkative! 3mo
Maggie4483 I think she likely stays in the background until she knows the reaction she will get - like when she intentionally spilled the wine to get out of dinner.
Dementia didn't cross my mind, but mental illness did. Especially the way Tomas was always trying to protect her. Like going along with her delusion was safer than contradicting her.
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BookwormAHN I think @RaeLovesToRead called it. In the first half of the book it's mentioned that the playwright doesn't seem to like her character so she drastically changes her and it seems like that's what is going on in the MC's mind. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Maggie4483 - yes, it‘s easier to live another life that is written for you, than to live your own life where there is no script. 3mo
BarbaraBB I am getting more confused by each answer and I love it. I love your take on the story @RaeLovesToRead and I also think you nailed it @AmyG , explaining the title too. 3mo
BarbaraBB @Maggie4483 @vonnie862 @kspenmoll @mcctrish @Bookwormjillk I didn‘t think of dementia when I read it, although aging was definitely a theme, as we concluded last week. So I might have missed the signals. 3mo
BarbaraBB @Meshell1313 That‘s a great comparison. She must have thought of Shakespeare while writing this book! 3mo
BarbaraBB @Butterfinger @TrishB Her role as a mother felt so unnatural to me. More like acting if you will. I couldn‘t believe she really was Xavier‘s mother 3mo
Roary47 I like what @trishB and @TheKidUpstairs said about different roles. Our MC was trying to be a roommate, mom, wife, and owner of her home in the second part. @BkClubCare Your statement reminds me of a movie where we follow the life of the actress with and without being pregnant at a certain point in her life. That reflects what we all saw in each of these parts. @squirrelbrain I agree it does show we can‘t have everything line up perfectly. 3mo
Roary47 @Maggie4483 I thought about them being scam artists and thought it would end up with the “parents” getting a new place or moving out and leaving the house to them. I also like how you mention Tomas not contradicting really anyone. Like him giving the two food so they wouldn‘t take over the kitchen. I didn‘t pick up on dementia or mental illness, but after hearing it from everyone I can see it being a possibility. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Roary47 - so many roles that we all have to play, and there has to be a few that we‘re not very good at. 3mo
Megabooks @RaeLovesToRead @bkclubcare I kind of thought the same thing. I felt like she used the situations in her “real life“ re: Xavier and Tomas to work through the issues she had in the scene. I think that's why she gave Xavier so much credit in the second half. (Hope this makes sense!) 3mo
Megabooks @AmyG And does her blurring that line make her “phony“ or disingenuous. Idk why I go there with actors sometimes. Imposter syndrome must feel a bit different in that career!! 3mo
Megabooks @Susanita It felt to me that Anna and Hana in each of the halves were almost empty vehicles to drive interaction and conflict between the MC and Xavier. Hana did have that weird quality where it seemed she was haunting the apartment. Creepy! 3mo
AmyG @Megabooks Good point. I DID get feeling of disingenuousness about her. She was trying so hard to get it right…all the time. And at the end of part 2…you realize she got none of it right. 3mo
MeganAnn @BarbaraBB I also thought her as a mother felt unnatural to me. After the questions about Xavier in the first half, the second half felt like a role she was playing rather than a reality. To mimic the ways she talked about finding the character in the play, she also was trying to find the role of mother. I felt like the entire book was “auditions” if you will — she walked through life like it was one audition after another. 3mo
squirrelbrain Good thought about Anna @Megabooks - we‘ve hardly discussed her at all, but there was so much else to chew over! 3mo
Suet624 I'm very late to this conversation - had a protest and a town birthday party to go to. I did not get this book at all so I'm taking time trying to understand it through these comments. I'm glad the book was short because it just annoyed me. 3mo
Kitta @BarbaraBB @Bookwormjillk @vonnie862 @squirrelbrain The first thing I thought of reading this was dementia tbh. There‘s so many inconsistencies and her reactions don‘t make sense sometimes. What I thought after reading the end, was that the book was Xavier‘s work about his mother‘s failing memory. 3mo
Kitta Or maybe the audition is the first half, auditioning for the role of a mother, and the second half is what it would have been like if she hadn‘t had the abortion. Like different realities? I don‘t know. So many layers and so much to think about! 3mo
Kitta @Suet624 honestly me too, I didn‘t enjoy this one too much too. The style and unreliable narrator didn‘t appeal to me. I‘m glad it was short. 3mo
Suet624 @Kitta my personal opinion: Something about the state of the world is requiring that a book make sense because nothing else around me does. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 3mo
BarbaraBB @Suet624 I get that 😳 3mo
squirrelbrain @Suet624 @kitta - the comments certainly helped me to understand a bit more! (edited) 3mo
Kitta @Suet624 😂 well that‘s true to for me too. I enjoyed our discussion at least even if I didn‘t enjoy reading this. Excited for 3mo
Addison_Reads I'm late to this discussion. I just finished the book yesterday, and like others, I just wasn't a fan of this one. Everyone's thoughts here definitely help me understand a bit more about what may have been happening with the MC, but it still didn't change my opinion about the book. 😁 3mo
squirrelbrain 👋 Welcome to camp! @Addison_Reads - I agree, the comments certainly helped but they didn‘t change my mind, either. 3mo
Susanita Anne Bogel recommended it on a recent episode. I nearly spit out my coffee! But what she said about it made a lot of sense as a suggestion for this guest. https://overcast.fm/+AAKhJ7e66cQ 2mo
squirrelbrain Thanks @susanita! I‘m intrigued now - I‘ll have a listen when we get home from our camping trip. 2mo
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